Official Short-term Investments Thread

[Vanish3d]

Originally posted by Dinan


oh yeah? you can, damn i'm with BMO. what browser are you using?

using the normal bb browser (dont know whats its called) 4.6.0
trades go through fine, just slow

[Dinan]

okay, so who can here log into their account on their BB and actually trade?

i can log in but i can't trade, too much flash/java i guess, i'm using opera mini...

[cosmok]

Check out Skyfire for BB, should help solve that but security could be an issue. I go through my VPN on WM6.5 and RBC works great through Opera.

[Dinan]

Originally posted by Vanish3d


using the normal bb browser (dont know whats its called) 4.6.0
trades go through fine, just slow

oh yeah, hmmm, doesn't it have lots of flash and java on the site?

i can't with BMO :(

[Dinan]

Originally posted by cosmok
Check out Skyfire for BB, should help solve that but security could be an issue. I go through my VPN on WM6.5 and RBC works great through Opera.

skyfire is out?

VPN on WM6.5 ??? whats that?

[cosmok]

Windows Mobile on my TouchPro. VPN is a virtual private network; I connect to my home network so the information I send is encrypted over the air.

[broken_legs]

Originally posted by Pacman


I think the problem is with the Webbroker side, as my mothers Active Trader platform is working perfectly.

Active Trader is what I'm using too. Usually* pretty solid.

Edit:
Literally posted this and 5 seconds later had a trade hang and not get accepted by the exchange... wtf!

Calling AT helpdesk!

[Vanish3d]

Originally posted by Dinan


oh yeah, hmmm, doesn't it have lots of flash and java on the site?

i can't with BMO :(

oh ya actually, i had to click on options and enable java

[broken_legs]

Just got off the phone with AT help desk...

They will be phasing out AT in Canada soon because they bought ToS.

Trailing Stop Option orders here I come!

[Dinan]

i dunno, but i can't on my Bold :(

damn NG is tanking like crazyyyyy:facepalm:


damn NG!!!! only a hurricane can save us now!

[997TT]

My 2x short plays are taking a beating..

My 2x long plays are taking a beating ... thanks HNU.
Why do i even own this pos stock ... i'm bearish on NG. Serves me right for trying to play a the $4 pop back to $4.50-$5.

[Dinan]

Originally posted by 997TT
My 2x short plays are taking a beating..

My 2x long plays are taking a beating ... thanks HNU.
Why do i even own this pos stock ... i'm bearish on NG. Serves me right for trying to play a the $4 pop back to $4.50-$5.

same here i got a short and a long ETF and they both DOWN!, but HOD is holding up wayyyy better then HNU :facepalm:

lets hope for a better day tomorrow for HNU, it's way oversold we should atleast have a short covering rally if anything!

[broken_legs]

Originally posted by 997TT
My 2x short plays are taking a beating..

My 2x long plays are taking a beating ... thanks HNU.
Why do i even own this pos stock ... i'm bearish on NG. Serves me right for trying to play a the $4 pop back to $4.50-$5.

Well either its going to set new lows for the year, or its going to bounce back ferociously.

I wish I waited until this afternoon to get my haircut... :)

[Z_Fan]

Why did I buy more HNU again? :dunno:

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

[skandalouz_08]

I was going to sell HNU at $4.15 this morning to break even as I had an alert set but then got called into a meeting and got out only to find it tanking:banghead: :banghead: I need to set limit orders from now on.

[997TT]

Originally posted by Z_Fan
Why did I buy more HNU again? :dunno:

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

I'll probably buy more at $3.50 HNU ...then again at $3.

I refuse to sell this stock for a loss ... lol
if i have to hold till next year i will lol :facepalm:

[Dinan]

^^^ same here.. do you still have in the high 5's?

just sell whatever you got green on rallies!


Originally posted by Z_Fan
Why did I buy more HNU again? :dunno:

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:


one more :facepalm:


i still got faith in HNU

[guessboi]

^ me too but I am not going back in until it settles a bit. good thing I didn't rebuy today. :nut:

[DJ_NAV]

do you guys trade with your eyes closed? Do you even know anything about the NG market? just because its gone down doesn't mean it has to come back up. the supply is very high right now and the demand is low. the NG price should be this low.

[997TT]

Originally posted by DJ_NAV
do you guys trade with your eyes closed? Do you even know anything about the NG market? just because its gone down doesn't mean it has to come back up. the supply is very high right now and the demand is low. the NG price should be this low.

Do slanted eyes count ... their partially closed.

Dinan, in at $4.15 and holding. Those are the only shares i own.

Hey, those of you on TD, can you query symbol HZD.
TD is now giving me the message that symbol doesn't exist.... but every other symbol is fine.
Can someone try on their account and post their results?

[Zenshi]

Buy Sell HORIZONS BETA CMX SLVR BEAR 10:03:54 AM EDT
Symbol T Bid Ask Last Change Volume FSI
HZD CA T - 16.80 16.85 17.14 -0.81 280

Bid Size 10 Ask Size 60
Day High 17.20 Day Low 17.14
Open 17.20 Yield 0.00
52 Week High 23.79 52 Week Low 17.21
Earn. Per Share 0.00 Dividend 0.00
Price/Earnings 0 Ex-Dividend

My HZD works :p

[broken_legs]

Originally posted by DJ_NAV
do you guys trade with your eyes closed? Do you even know anything about the NG market? just because its gone down doesn't mean it has to come back up. the supply is very high right now and the demand is low. the NG price should be this low.

Nonsense.

Todays low is the third higher low in a row.

The last two highs were higher highs.

Fundamentals for NG are horrid.

^^ Thats why it's going to go up!!

[Dinan]

damn, anyone lucky enough holding LVS? it's a beast!

[Dinan]

damn you NG, this time i'm waiting till 3.15NG to buy some more:banghead:

[skandalouz_08]

Go HOD! That is looking much better this morning.

[davidI]

Yea, HOD is looking good. Now the question is whether I want to hold over the weekend or not....Hrm

Likely worth the risk!

[guessboi]

drop oil drop! :D

[Dinan]

First support is the 20 day moving average crossing at 68.80

maybe that's a good place to take some or all your profit ???

[davidI]

I'll probably sell half around $68.80 and let the rest ride for a bit...

[Dinan]

Originally posted by davidI
I'll probably sell half around $68.80 and let the rest ride for a bit...

well u got 1k i only got 500 :( hehehehe


i was hoping it would get in today under 11 with few more hundred...


where is SR?!?!? :D :thumbsup:

[davidI]

People have mentioned it before, but do you folks that work downtown want to do a lunch one day?

How about August 27th - 11:45 to 1ish at SOHO (801 6th Street SW). Let me know if you're in and I'll make a reso.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueler?

[SilverRex]

sorry boys I Was away this morning to the court to settle my speeding ticket. anyways not much has change as same as yesterday, the critical levels must hold and expecting the drop which we are getting so far

[Dinan]

Originally posted by SilverRex
sorry boys I Was away this morning to the court to settle my speeding ticket. anyways not much has change as same as yesterday, the critical levels must hold and expecting the drop which we are getting so far

did you get lucky with your court date???


so whats the plan with HOD ?? :D

[davidI]

What do you think of $68.80 as the resistance? Looks like we've already touched it a couple times this week....if it holds it could be a good place to dump HOD and buy it again on a bounce....but if it breaks through then we could be seeing $64 oil again. Thoughts?

[skandalouz_08]

I'd be down to meet for lunch. I think the 27th will work but won't know for sure until closer to the date.

[SilverRex]

ok so pardon my late chart as I was away in the early morning. I'll still throw up a few charts quickly.

looking at oil, remember I said oil's red up trend line should stop oil dead at its tracks well, I couldnt even believe my own call as it turned around and never looked back since,

now that oil is moving away our important 73.35 critical level which further confirms our bearish argument. I expect oil continue to drop. next big support is around 67.5-68 as there is double fibo and a previous resistance now becoming support.

i would at the least hold oil until that level before entertaining selling half.

and will attampt to target around 64 as this is the ultimate trend line on daily chart, if broken to the down side it will confirm we are indeed headed much lower. So short term target 67.6, medium term target 64. longer term target would be 50-55 but right now lets just take it one step at a time.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk118/genmaster/oil081409.jpg

and the most important chart is the US dollar chart. While I Was expected a correction this week and I got it, expected the market to rally and it did even thought it really moved abit further than I expected. notice how the 78.12 in red support did not break, dollar is bottoming out beautifully and we should no doubt see a steady climb upwards so hold on tight.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk118/genmaster/dollar081409.jpg

[Dinan]

^^^ thanks... i'll get out around 68 :)


thats weird with netdania i get 68.53 as the 20 day and 67.60 as the 50 day, maybe sell half at the 20 and the rest at the 50 ....

i don't have enough shares to sell half

[SilverRex]

HOD looking mightly fantastic, you guys all owe me lunch :D

[SilverRex]

look at silver fall and the loonie tank

[Red@8]

Any thoughts on gold sr?

I am thinking of holding my HGD until ~$946 gold!?!?!?

[RX_EVOLV]

isnt HOD awesome, couple days ago when HOD hits $11.71 oil was at $69.##. now @ $11.73 oil is trading at $68.6#

disadvantage!

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by Red@8
Any thoughts on gold sr?

I am thinking of holding my HGD until ~$946 gold!?!?!?

I would imagine once the 200 EMA gives a way next most likely support is around 946-947. So yes try holding out for a bit lower gold. but remember if gold cracks below 945 I think that is another bearish confirmation hold is headed lower possibly straight thru to 900

[Dinan]

Originally posted by RX_EVOLV
isnt HOD awesome, couple days ago when HOD hits $11.71 oil was at $69.##. now @ $11.73 oil is trading at $68.6#

disadvantage!

yeah that sucks with 2x ETF's.... look at HNU thats a lot worse then HOD!

[SilverRex]

look at gold tankked one bar down

[SilverRex]

i am going to hold oil until 64 before selling half

[Dinan]

Originally posted by SilverRex
i am going to hold oil until 64 before selling half

hahahaha, i just sold at .91 .....

[cosmok]

Originally posted by SilverRex
look at gold tankked one bar down
Too bad HGD didn`t really move haha.

[Dinan]

good call on OIL SR, like always!!!!


:D :thumbsup:

[Z_Fan]

I'm just moving my stops up as HOD rises. Following it at 20 cents below market. I was in for 1000 shares at $10.88. But last time I pulled the trigger WAY too early, after it had gone up a buck, and then it went up a couple more! So we'll hang on a bit tighter this time and see what happens.

Meanwhile, FUCK HNU!

[Dinan]

I would have used stops too but had to go out and I can't trade on my bb bold

Goodluck guys

[skandalouz_08]

I just sold HOD too, work is too busy today to watch and I'm happy with $1.05 profit. I'm hoping my HGD can offset my HNU now...

[Red@8]

Why is HGD not moving up considering how much gold is down?

[RX_EVOLV]

i'm holding my HOD for over the weekend.

[Dinan]

Cause HGD does not track the spot price of gold but the gold sector on the tsx, guess the gold stocks aren't down too much.

If I remember correctlyy

[Z_Fan]

Originally posted by RX_EVOLV
i'm holding my HOD for over the weekend.

That's balls.

I might.

LOL HOD just dipped to within 0.02 of my stop! But then went back up very quickly. :poosie:

[Z_Fan]

Originally posted by Dinan
Cause HGD does not track the spot price of gold but the gold sector on the tsx, guess the gold stocks aren't down too much.

If I remember correctlyy

Yeah, HGD and HGU have ... let's say it loud ...

*NOTHING TO DO WITH SPOT PRICE OF GOLD*

LOL

Anyhow...the spot price in general helps determine what way the Gold Companies that comprise HGU/HGD are going to move. But just because gold is up, does not mean the corresponding stock (HGU) will be up. If the market overall is having a crappy day, then it is very possible that gold can be up $15 and the stocks are going way down...so you wind up having HGU way down and HGD way up even though gold is way up. Opposite of what you'd get if these ETF's actually tracked the spot gold price. Which they do not.

K
HMY
AU
ABX
NEM

Etc. Look up the ETF of the Horizons website to see the stocks it tracks and how each one plays in to the ETF price...

[Z_Fan]

Originally posted by Red@8
Why is HGD not moving up considering how much gold is down?

By my current stats, even though as per my other post, they are not directly related...

BUT

If HGD did track gold, it would be moving LESS than what it currently is.

Gold is down -0.84%
2x ETF would be -1.68% for Bull and 1.68% for Bear

But HGD (Bear) is actually up 3.81%. So it has moved a LOT more than it would have if it were actually track spot.

[davidI]

I just took a $1 profit on HOD. I'll be surprised if oil continues to fall without coming back up a bit for a chance to re-enter. How often does oil fall $3 in a day without bouncing back the next!?

[RX_EVOLV]

Thats true. I just think Mon or Tues HOD is going to be green.. but it might pull back a little before it goes back up..


hmm I think I'm going to jump on the bandwagon here and sell HOD, always good to lock in some profit, but I will be looking at re-entering very shortly.

[997TT]

^^exactly what i was thinking.
just bought a whack load of HOU at $8.52
playing witha tight stop of 0.10.

[bg_27]

Yah I took profit with HOD this morning, not keen on holding it over the weekend.

After selling it I have flipped it 2 more times making some more profit, its been a good day!

[RX_EVOLV]

sold @ 12.05.

Dont think I have the balls to buy HOU here hah, I hate catching a falling knife.

[997TT]

run oil run....haha

from shit loads of HOD to HOU ...

[Red@8]

Sorry I should have been more specific. I know that HGD does not follow spot price of gold and I know what the major holdings in HGD are. What i meant was considering how much gold is down, I would have thought gold stocks would have been down a bit more and subsequently HGD would have been a bit higher, thats all. Sorry for the confusion.

Seems like everyone is jumping out of HOD. I am still in (stops set). Dont tell me I am going to be the only one who may be holding through the weekend?!?!?!

[cosmok]

Originally posted by Red@8
Seems like everyone is jumping out of HOD. I am still in (stops set). Dont tell me I am going to be the only one who may be holding through the weekend?!?!?!

I`ll be as well

[SilverRex]

ok someone is right, its typical oil usually takes a break after 3+ dollar drop.

I have 3 position, sold of them and if the 67.5 area is a very good short term support, then what we want is to expect a bit of an ABC correction bounce maybe about 2 to 2.5 dollar? then I will short again

:) holding one more position in case it hits the next stop at 64

ok some of you should made enough to take me out for lunch lol come on dont be cheap

[Z_Fan]

I bought HOD a couple days before you recommended it.

<smile>

So this time I owe u nothing. Hahahhahahahahha....

:poosie:

[997TT]

Originally posted by SilverRex

ok some of you should made enough to take me out for lunch lol come on dont be cheap

SR you can take my car for a weekend if you want.

:thumbsup:

lunch, drinks ... anytime anyplace

HOU .... run sucka run.
$1k in under 15 min ... haha. love it

[SilverRex]

right now price is trying to form a rejection hammer off the 67.6 area with 12 mins to go. this would of course stop the bleeding, lets anticipate abit of a rally then short again

[Z_Fan]

I'm going to get stopped out any minute now...

:poosie:

[Z_Fan]

I just got the punt from CME E-Quotes for "repeated abuse of our trial policy".

I mean, I was probably only on my 10th or so account with them. Go figure! :dunno: :poosie:

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by Z_Fan
I bought HOD a couple days before you recommended it.

&lt;smile&gt;

So this time I owe u nothing. Hahahhahahahahha....

:poosie:

haha so if your saying "this time" then what happen to the other time? so you still owe me something back then? sweet :bigpimp:

[davidI]

Originally posted by SilverRex


ok some of you should made enough to take me out for lunch lol come on dont be cheap

How about August 27th - 11:45 to 1ish at SOHO (801 6th Street SW). Let me know if you're in and I'll make a reso.


Let's do it. So far only Skandalouz_08 has said he's in.


I had a buy for HOU in at $8.49...didn't hit it. Oh well. I wish I could play with the kind of coin you do 997!

[SilverRex]

anyways a quick retracement would offer oil back to 69-70

I would think around 11.50-60s would be a good bet

[Z_Fan]

I'm going to walk away from the computer with a stop loss that nets me $1k on HOD. If it sells, it sells. If not, I'll be back just before close to bail if I need to bail...so I don't have to worry on the weekend.

;)

[Vanish3d]

Originally posted by davidI


How about August 27th - 11:45 to 1ish at SOHO (801 6th Street SW). Let me know if you're in and I'll make a reso.


Let's do it. So far only Skandalouz_08 has said he's in.


I had a buy for HOU in at $8.49...didn't hit it. Oh well. I wish I could play with the kind of coin you do 997!

I will let you know this week if I can make it or not. Im usually out of town at the end of the month but might not be this week.


Put a sell order at 12.00 for my HOD... will get back in after the mini rally of oil

[superboyazn]

do you guys know where we can get live oil prices from?

[Red@8]

Got stopped out of HGD and HOD.

Question for those that trade regularly. I have never seen this but perhaps one of you have.

I had a stop set at $12.00 on HOD. But under my trades it is listed as selling HOD on my stop at $11.88. What is the point of the stop if it doesn't fill at what i set it at? I have never seen this happen before. Generally i set a stop at $12.00 for example, and the order fills at $12.00.

I am with BMO if that matters!?!?!?

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by superboyazn
do you guys know where we can get live oil prices from?

http://datasuite.cmegroup.com/datasuite-server/dataSuite.html?template=fut&productCode=CL&assetClassURL=http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy-metals/&header=new

[Vanish3d]

Originally posted by Red@8
Got stopped out of HGD and HOD.

Question for those that trade regularly. I have never seen this but perhaps one of you have.

I had a stop set at $12.00 on HOD. But under my trades it is listed as selling HOD on my stop at $11.88. What is the point of the stop if it doesn't fill at what i set it at? I have never seen this happen before. Generally i set a stop at $12.00 for example, and the order fills at $12.00.

I am with BMO if that matters!?!?!?

Stop order means once 12.00 hits, your order becomes a market order. So it'll sell at whatever price its at when your order is processed.
you can use stop-limit, so you'd set it your stop at 12 and limit at lets say 11.95, so your order will only get filled between 11.95 and 12.

unless i misunderstood your question...

[Dinan]

i dunno i'm with BMOW and my stops are always filled at the stop price....


you guys getting into hou now???

[Red@8]

Thanks Vanish3d. That answers my question and I will use stop limits from now on.

I was just slightly ticked as the $0.12 between my stop and my "trade" cost me $100's. I had never seen that happen before either so I didnt know wtf was going on.

[Dinan]

Originally posted by Red@8
Thanks Vanish3d. That answers my question and I will use stop limits from now on.

I was just slightly ticked as the $0.12 between my stop and my &quot;trade&quot; cost me $100's. I had never seen that happen before either so I didnt know wtf was going on.

but still 12cents?? that's a bit too much, it shouldn't take that long for the order to be sent out and filled?? unless oil just happened to pop up 30cents + :dunno:

[Vanish3d]

^ I used to use stops till I got screwed once. Had a stop order for a stock at 3.1 and left the office, came back and it was filled at 2.2. I look at its price and its 3.2... was like wtf.... something happened it crashed from 3.1 to 2.1 then bounced right back up to 3.2.
STOP-LIMIT after that!

[Dinan]

you know what, i use the HARD STOP with BMO, so it sells only at that price!

[Dinan]

SR, you buying some HOU?

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by Dinan
SR, you buying some HOU?

no

I have learn that while following the right trend is the key, going counter trend can be suicide because corrections can be in the form of a larger correction or nearly none. The last thing I want is getting stuck with long oil only to see it fall further.

from now on I am just going to pick entries that are based upon the main trend while expecting corrections to for re-entry

[Dinan]

Originally posted by SilverRex


no

I have learn that while following the right trend is the key, going counter trend can be suicide because corrections can be in the form of a larger correction or nearly none. The last thing I want is getting stuck with long oil only to see it fall further.

from now on I am just going to pick entries that are based upon the main trend while expecting corrections to for re-entry

yes thats true, will look to re enter HOD in the mid 11's, lets hope....

[Super_Geo]

HNU looks pretty ripe for an entry point.

$3.27 NG, $3.60 HNU.

When does HNU flip from the Sept contract to the Oct contract?

[guessboi]

sold 500 shares of HOD @ 12.06. looking to rebuy next week. :D

[Dinan]

Originally posted by Super_Geo
HNU looks pretty ripe for an entry point.

$3.27 NG, $3.60 HNU.

When does HNU flip from the Sept contract to the Oct contract?

yeah i been buying for the last few days, wish i bought in today instead, i don't know why i bought since it's on a strong down trend, i was hoping for a quick flip :(

on the 7th,8th and 9th on every moth HNU rolls over to the next month contract, so we just started trading the september contract... next month this time will be trading october contract...

correct me if i'm wrong.

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by Super_Geo
HNU looks pretty ripe for an entry point.

$3.27 NG, $3.60 HNU.

When does HNU flip from the Sept contract to the Oct contract?

based on price projection the Natgas chart looks like its ready to head lower. so if you take 4.57 to 3.22 for example, and we completed an ABC correction which explained why NG rallied to 4.16, then take 4.16 measure that up the the last drop of 1.35 that puts NG at 2.81 while 3 dollar could be a good mental swing pt.

currently there are support at 3.22, 3.15 3.00 and target of 2.81

we are at the high end of the range. buying at 3.27 means you believe 3.22 is the bottom. So unless you can stomach a 40 cemt swing and or have a tight stop I would advise sticking with oil or wait a bit longer

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by RX_EVOLV
isnt HOD awesome, couple days ago when HOD hits $11.71 oil was at $69.##. now @ $11.73 oil is trading at $68.6#

disadvantage!

welp dont just compare it for a few days think longer term. HOD is awesome if oil is on the path of destruction.

if you compare HOU and HOD chart you will see when oil doubled from 33 to 73, it only ran from 4 to 11.7x ( about 3 times) but when oil dipped from 70 to 33, hod went from 10 to 47 which is about 5x.

Roll over can actually help as we get the benefit for shorting 2 dollars higher every month as it rolls over. but is certainly weak for oil long unless oil can pop dramatically in a short term move

[Dinan]

so this is the 7th straight day that NG has been heading down it usually moves up from here.. lets wait and HOPE :D

i have a buy order at 3.42, should be around 3.16 NG ...:nut:


:nut: :facepalm:

[Vanish3d]

ya... i took the loss when i bought HNU at 6.00... not gonna touch it till were close to $2 NG, then it'd be a safe play, till then I'll just watch and play with oil.

[pearl0168]

Hey SR, just wanted to ask about HOD

HOD has reached $12 while oil has dropped to $67 this weekend, should I jump in or wait till HOD drops a bit?

What about HNU, it's at a 52 week low with 3.50. Is that a good price to buy into?

thanks

[guessboi]

HNU is brutal. you guys should wait to go back in. It is free falling right now. :facepalm:

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by pearl0168
Hey SR, just wanted to ask about HOD

HOD has reached $12 while oil has dropped to $67 this weekend, should I jump in or wait till HOD drops a bit?

What about HNU, it's at a 52 week low with 3.50. Is that a good price to buy into?

thanks

you can go back a page or two and view my charts.

while I expect the down leg has started and we should see 64 oil next week unless something suddenly gives way in the last 30 min I believe the market has done its sell off and we should technically see a bit of a rally comes monday morning. Allowing for stoch to come out of oversold, the idea would be to wait for oil to climb a bit back towards 69-70 then short again.

if you had got in eariler like the rest of us when oil was still trading in the 71-72, then you would of been in a better position as you can either hold or sell half in attampt to buy back.

I figure the US dollar should make a pretty strong move next week.

and for NG I have also commented on it eariler, the trend is clearly down ever since NG hit 4.57 the 2nd time. and since then it has been moving lower as expected, popping higher as expected and now back to its original trend. Next target down quite possibly would be 2.8-3 dollars. Any rally would be short lived at this moment in time.

[Z_Fan]

So I am going to listen to SilverRex on NG and I am bailing on HNU. I'm selling shares that I bought at $4.18 and $3.82 respectively. So sale price is $3.57. We'll see if the trend is my friend and stays that way.

I'm also seriously thinking about bailing on HOD.

But remember, last time it was $10.90 then it went up and kept going up until it hit $14.x then it dropped back to $10.8x again shortly after. I don't want to miss that ride if it happens. But I also want to use HOD to offset my HNU loss.

So I'm not sure what is the worse of the two evils here. I think I'll cover my ass and sell my HOD. Cuz if it tanks Monday, then I'm doubly fucked.

[cosmok]

^So did you get out?