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rage2
08-28-2009, 10:27 AM
Reserved.

rage2
08-28-2009, 10:32 AM
Going to be an interesting race. Some teams are setting up for downforce (fast S2, slow S1 + S3) and others like McLaren and Ferrari are setting up for low downforce (fast S1 + S3, slow S2). The gaps are huge... 0.6s faster in S2 for the high DF teams, 0.7s faster in S1+S3 for the low DF teams. Should make for an interesting race! Surprised that the Brawns are opting for a low DF setup.

Lewis posted the fastest time in FP2 (FP1 times are kinda useless, a few guys didn't even run in the wet). Here's to seeing McLaren score another podium or win this weekend!

Mibz
08-28-2009, 12:19 PM
Just for the record, FP1 and 2 times:


Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:49.675 13
2. Button Brawn-Mercedes (B) 1:50.283 + 0.608 18
3. Alonso Renault (B) 1:50.368 + 0.693 13
4. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:51.045 + 1.370 20
5. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:51.529 + 1.854 24
6. Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes (B) 1:52.321 + 2.646 18
7. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:52.930 + 3.255 16
8. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:53.383 + 3.708 11
9. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:53.650 + 3.975 12
10. Badoer Ferrari (B) 1:55.068 + 5.393 20
11. Fisichella Force India-Mercedes (B) 2:03.972 + 14.297 11
12. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 2:04.505 + 14.830 13
13. Grosjean Renault (B) 2:05.513 + 15.838 13
14. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 2:05.614 + 15.939 14
15. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 2:05.705 + 16.030 15
16. Sutil Force India-Mercedes (B) 2:05.839 + 16.164 10
17. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 2:06.181 + 16.506 6
18. Glock Toyota (B) 2:06.331 + 16.656 15
19. Vettel Red Bull-Renault (B) 1
20. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 4


Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:47.201 29
2. Glock Toyota (B) 1:47.217 + 0.016 29
3. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:47.285 + 0.084 26
4. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:47.329 + 0.128 31
5. Grosjean Renault (B) 1:47.333 + 0.132 34
6. Fisichella Force India-Mercedes (B) 1:47.506 + 0.305 27
7. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:47.559 + 0.358 33
8. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:47.578 + 0.377 33
9. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:47.579 + 0.378 36
10. Vettel Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:47.602 + 0.401 25
11. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:47.702 + 0.501 38
12. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:47.743 + 0.542 33
13. Sutil Force India-Mercedes (B) 1:47.790 + 0.589 29
14. Alonso Renault (B) 1:47.862 + 0.661 30
15. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:47.961 + 0.760 32
16. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:48.017 + 0.816 30
17. Button Brawn-Mercedes (B) 1:48.125 + 0.924 34
18. Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes (B) 1:48.130 + 0.929 37
19. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:48.360 + 1.159 29
20. Badoer Ferrari (B) 1:49.211 + 2.010 30


Great pace by Grosjean. I'd love to see him legitimately out-qualify Alonso this race.

cloud7
08-28-2009, 02:25 PM
Badoer is still 2 seconds slower than Kimi. I wonder how long Ferrari can stand having him in the car. If I am the Ferrari team boss, I would replace him if he doesn't perform this weekend.

Mibz
08-28-2009, 03:11 PM
That's the rumour. If he sucks on Sunday, which he will, he's gone.

rage2
08-28-2009, 03:30 PM
I'm still hoping that the McLaren's are strong enough to get 1st or 2nd for the remaining of the season (there's a HUGE update coming for Singapore :clap:). Lewis needs to score 7.5pts more than button per race to have a chance at the title. There's still hope!!!

ryanallan
08-28-2009, 08:13 PM
Fuck Badoer, I hope Ferrari replaces him soon !
I cant take this anymore.

cool shot
http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/2009/bel/f1-2009-bel-xp-0242.jpg

ryanallan
08-28-2009, 08:38 PM
after rage's comment on down force settings I went looking for evidence.

Toyota and RedBull seem to be running high down force as their S2 times are about 1sec quicker than the others.

Toyota's rear wing still looks to be pretty minimalist
http://www.f1grandprix.it/download/foto2009/GP_BELGIO/VENERDI//09f1-12-BelgiumGP-fri-04.jpg

Toyota last week
http://www.f1grandprix.it/download/foto2009/GP_EUROPA/VENERDI//09f1-11-EuropeGP-fri-13.jpg

Ferrari this week
http://www.f1grandprix.it/download/foto2009/GP_BELGIO/VENERDI//090016BEL.jpg

Ferrari last week
http://www.f1grandprix.it/download/foto2009/GP_EUROPA/DOMENICA//090056EUR.jpg

McLaren last week
http://www.f1grandprix.it/download/foto2009/GP_EUROPA/SABATO//09f1-11-EuropeGP-sat-13.jpg

McLaren this week
http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/2009/bel/f1-2009-bel-xp-0391.jpg

DJ Lazy
08-29-2009, 06:09 AM
Wow.. they are SOOO much faster this year than they were last year... Buemi is over a second faster than the fastest time last year..

DJ Lazy
08-29-2009, 06:25 AM
Wow... Force India topping the timesheets in Q1.... WTF is going on.. :rofl:

Badoer is GONE... 20th and last again...

DJ Lazy
08-29-2009, 06:44 AM
Alo, Ham, But, and Kov out in Q2!!!!!:eek:

DJ Lazy
08-29-2009, 07:03 AM
Am I watching the same F1??? Force India taking Pole Position?????????????? WTF!!:eek: :rofl:

Good to see it finally happen, but totally wasn't expecting it this weekend... BMW up there too..

Team_Mclaren
08-29-2009, 07:07 AM
they are light for sure, but wow. They do have the raw pace to score some points

DJ Lazy
08-29-2009, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Team_Mclaren
they are light for sure, but wow. They do have the raw pace to score some points

I think Trulli is too... both are 2/10s quicker than the rest of the top 10..

Mibz
08-29-2009, 10:01 AM
I can't believe what I'm waking up to here. Both BMWs have a solid shot at the podium.

Webber "reprimanded" for blocking a rival. Who was it? Must not have had any effect for him to avoid a penalty.


Pos Driver Team Q1 Q2 Q3
1. Fisichella Force India-Mercedes (B) 1:45.102 1:44.667 1:46.308
2. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:45.140 1:44.503 1:46.395
3. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:45.566 1:44.709 1:46.500
4. Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes (B) 1:45.237 1:44.834 1:46.513
5. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:45.655 1:44.557 1:46.586
6. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:45.579 1:44.953 1:46.633
7. Glock Toyota (B) 1:45.450 1:44.877 1:46.677
8. Vettel Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:45.372 1:44.592 1:46.761
9. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:45.350 1:44.924 1:46.788
10. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:45.486 1:45.047 1:47.362
11. Sutil Force India-Mercedes (B) 1:45.486 1:45.119
12. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:45.239 1:45.122
13. Alonso Renault (B) 1:45.767 1:45.136
14. Button Brawn-Mercedes (B) 1:45.707 1:45.251
15. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:45.761 1:45.259
16. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:45.705
17. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:45.951
18. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:46.032
19. Grosjean Renault (B) 1:46.307
20. Badoer Ferrari (B) 1:46.359


Pos Driver Weight (kg)
1. Fisichella Force India-Mercedes 648.0
2. Trulli Toyota 656.5
3. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber 655.0
4. Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 644.5
5. Kubica BMW-Sauber 649.0
6. Raikkonen Ferrari 655.0
7. Glock Toyota 648.5
8. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 662.5
9. Webber Red Bull-Renault 658.0
10. Rosberg Williams-Toyota 670.0
11. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 678.5*
12. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 693.5*
13. Alonso Renault 684.4*
14. Button Brawn-Mercedes 694.2*
15. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 697.0*
16. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 685.0*
17. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 704.5*
18. Nakajima Williams-Toyota 706.1*
19. Grosjean Renault 704.7*
20. Badoer Ferrari 691.5*

ryanallan
08-29-2009, 10:12 AM
WOW im shocked !

Pole position working out of this
http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/2009/bel/f1-2009-bel-xp-0002.jpg

didnt make Q3 working out of this
http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/2009/bel/f1-2009-bel-xp-0003.jpg

Mibz
08-29-2009, 10:34 AM
This is gonna be a fucked up week in the pool.

rage2
08-29-2009, 11:29 AM
With the pool so close, this weekend could see a huge change in positions!

DJ Lazy
08-29-2009, 12:09 PM
5 hours later and I am still shocked that FI took pole.. It sounds like a headline you would hear on The Onion... :rofl:

There is quite the mixed bag of fuel levels for the top 8... So there WILL be overtaking in the pits come first stop... Looking at my pool choices right now and it just doesn't look right... :rofl:

rage2
08-29-2009, 12:26 PM
Alright, so for the regulars that I hosted for before, my place for Spa at 5:30 in the morning, don't be late.

If you don't have the info or you're a newb, PM me for my cell # and address.

BerserkerCatSplat
08-29-2009, 12:49 PM
What the hell just happened? :rofl: Force Callcentre on pole!

RickDaTuner
08-30-2009, 06:05 AM
Raikkonen!!!

ottamania
08-30-2009, 06:05 AM
sick start

DJ Lazy
08-30-2009, 06:08 AM
WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a fuckin gong show!! :eek:

rage2
08-30-2009, 06:11 AM
Man the pool is gonna be FUCKED haha.

Kimi's gonna pass Force India when the safety car pulls in.

edit - am I the only one that picked Kimi for the win?

ottamania
08-30-2009, 06:13 AM
safety car is still out :nut:

ottamania
08-30-2009, 06:14 AM
Originally posted by rage2
Man the pool is gonna be FUCKED haha.

Kimi's gonna pass Force India when the safety car pulls in.

edit - am I the only one that picked Kimi for the win?

given his other wins on this track, i picked Kimi as well.

ottamania
08-30-2009, 06:15 AM
there kimi goes

RickDaTuner
08-30-2009, 06:17 AM
Stupid TSN on commercial during the restart

DJ Lazy
08-30-2009, 06:21 AM
Originally posted by rage2
Man the pool is gonna be FUCKED haha.

Kimi's gonna pass Force India when the safety car pulls in.

edit - am I the only one that picked Kimi for the win?

Man, my picks are totally messed up.. :banghead: Can't believe you picked Kimi for the win...

rage2
08-30-2009, 06:25 AM
Originally posted by DJ Lazy
Man, my picks are totally messed up.. :banghead: Can't believe you picked Kimi for the win...
I didn't expect him to lead until after the first stops.

DJ Lazy
08-30-2009, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by rage2

I didn't expect him to lead until after the first stops.

Kimi is a safer pick than my Trulli for the win.. :rofl:

RickDaTuner
08-30-2009, 06:53 AM
Alonso just got screwed 35 second pit stop

rage2
08-30-2009, 06:54 AM
When's his wheel gonna fall off? haha

ottamania
08-30-2009, 07:05 AM
Fisichella copying Kimi at pit stops :confused:

ottamania
08-30-2009, 07:28 AM
ice man done it again :burnout:

ottamania
08-30-2009, 07:30 AM
dang fire on Baricello.

rage2
08-30-2009, 07:33 AM
I got served hard in the pool :(.

If only Rubens blew up, would've been an extra 10 pts or something for me.

Trini
08-30-2009, 07:59 AM
:( :( lost the lead..bleh 5th in the world.

DJ Lazy
08-30-2009, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by Trini
:( :( lost the lead..bleh 5th in the world.

It's gonna be a good battle till the end.. :D

5th and 6th overall is pretty good though!

Chris Elyea
08-30-2009, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by RickDaTuner
Stupid TSN on commercial during the restart
They managed to time their commercials to hit critical pit stops as well as the restart. Even on a big screen, their side by side just doesn't cut it. Couldn't have made it much worse if they'd tried.

Eleanor
08-30-2009, 10:44 AM
:clap: KIMI!

Inzane
08-30-2009, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Eleanor
:clap: KIMI!

x1000! :thumbsup:



Originally posted by rage2
edit - am I the only one that picked Kimi for the win?

No. It was said during practice a couple days ago that one of the media camera guys put a 500 pound bet on Kimi to win. He's gotta be happy today. :D

ryanallan
08-30-2009, 11:44 AM
Finally I get to hear the Italian anthem !!

Looks like everyone, with the exception of 2 guys, got around 35 points. Trulli really messed things up, and so did the Ferrari win :burnout: :burnout:

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/2009/bel/f1-2009-bel-xp-0889.jpg

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x207/Starcowboy/race%20trib/Monza/Tifosi_GP_Monza_1996.jpg

Chris Elyea
08-30-2009, 02:17 PM
I just watched the first corner again and I didn't like what I saw. What Kimi did was dirty pool!

I think paved run-off areas are great. They give the driver a chance to use the brakes to slow down. You don't have the same risk of a car sliding sideways getting its wheels dug in and rolling. There's no gravel to spread all over the track and of course nothing is more frustrating than seeing a guy beached.

If you gain an advantage by cutting a corner, you get penalized, but apparently using the run-off area to gain an advantage is cool. It looked like Raikkonen went out there solely so he could keep a little more speed, avoid the traffic, and so have a better run for his KERS boost. I think he passed two cars while he was off the track.

Mibz
08-30-2009, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by Chris Elyea
I just watched the first corner again and I didn't like what I saw. What Kimi did was dirty pool!

I think paved run-off areas are great. They give the driver a chance to use the brakes to slow down. You don't have the same risk of a car sliding sideways getting its wheels dug in and rolling. There's no gravel to spread all over the track and of course nothing is more frustrating than seeing a guy beached.

If you gain an advantage by cutting a corner, you get penalized, but apparently using the run-off area to gain an advantage is cool. It looked like Raikkonen went out there solely so he could keep a little more speed, avoid the traffic, and so have a better run for his KERS boost. I think he passed two cars while he was off the track. It looked planned for sure. Ferrari knew there'd be a shitstorm in turn 1 and he could, under the guise of avoiding a collision, just go wide and enjoy clean air and a wider turn.

Will anything happen? Fuck no.

bart
08-30-2009, 03:17 PM
no i don't think so, here's a vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS2sdXx08-Y

the only thing he could do is go off

Mibz
08-30-2009, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by bart
no i don't think so, here's a vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS2sdXx08-Y

the only thing he could do is go off BS! He could've tucked in behind the McLaren easily.

cloud7
08-30-2009, 09:26 PM
Kimi had no intention of slowing down and keep to the track. He could have but he didn't and it wasn't like he was forced out there anyway as the closest car was more than 1/2 a car width away for a split second.

Anyway, great race for Fisi. He was able to keep pace with the Ferrari and was the faster driver than Kimi today.

rage2
08-30-2009, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by ryanallan
Looks like everyone, with the exception of 2 guys, got around 35 points.
Whats crazy is that buh_buh, who hasn't even watched Quali and made his picks early, scored 43 and whooped ALL our asses hahaha.

buh_buh
08-30-2009, 11:17 PM
:rofl: I just finished watching quali and the race. I should make my picks before I watch the entire weekend next race since I seem to do better :nut:

Chris Elyea
08-31-2009, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by bart
no i don't think so, here's a vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS2sdXx08-Y

the only thing he could do is go off

Hey, thanks for posting that!

Kimi definitely got Trulli while he was off the track, but Trulli broke his front wing at the same time, so probably made no difference in the end. More importantly, he avoided getting stuck behind the Trulli-Heidfeld shunt and perhaps getting punted from behind himself. Did he have to go out there? I don't believe it! I still think it gave him a straighter run toward the hill and helped him eventually make the pass on Heidfeld.

Button took the same line as Kimi, which I hadn't seen before. He got nowhere near the acceleration - KERS must have a lot to do with that.

H4LFY2nR
08-31-2009, 09:12 PM
I think it was probably best that Kimi went off to avoid a potential collision. But come on, he knew, or at least his team should have told him, to rejoin at the same position he left.

Funny how Kimi blatantly gained position, but last year Hamilton got the penalty over the off course at the chicane, and he gave the position back.... oh well.

And congrats to Fisichella and Force India. Way to go from no points to a podium! I kinda wanted to see FI score their very first points with a win. That would've been epic