Health Canada sends body bags to native reserves.

[ZenOps]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2009/09/16/mb-ottawa-body-bags-manitoba.html

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?rn=222561&cl=15601573&ch=222562

Owtch. Talk about political insensitivity. IE: How would Canadians like it if Saddam sent a million body bags to Canada...

They might have sent Rob Anders to the reserve with a shotgun, and it would have created less of a issue.

[TorqueDog]

They have substandard living conditions as it is, and now they're declaring a swine flu "state of emergency". Political sensitivity be damned, they know they can't treat as many people as will be affected by this on the reserves, and that there will - very likely - be a lot of deaths as a result.

[zipdoa]

You mean America? Canada didn't do shit to Saddam, remember? So if he sent us a million body bags, we'd probably say thank you and find something useful to do with them. Like give them to natives.

[3g4u]

Originally posted by zipdoa
You mean America? Canada didn't do shit to Saddam, remember? So if he sent us a million body bags, we'd probably say thank you and find something useful to do with them. Like give them to natives.

LMAO:D

[masoncgy]

"The body bags — which were sent to the remote northern reserves of Wasagamack and God's River First Nation — came in a shipment of hand sanitizers and face masks."

It's just a pro-active measure... given the remoteness of the reserves and the potential for deaths, why not ship some body bags up there in case the worst occurs and then the local authority can properly deal with any bodies?

"Is the body bags a statement from Canada that we as First Nations are on our own?"

Given the location of the reserves, they ARE on their own! Perhaps instead of seeing this as some kind of sinister motive, since other precautionary items were shipped up there along with the body bags, they should understand the reasons why the items were sent in the first place.

You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't, when it comes to Canada's natives.

[98type_r]

Originally posted by masoncgy
You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't, when it comes to Canada's natives.

this

[FraserB]

I think normal Canadians should be angry, with the hospitals and health agencies stockpiling body bags it means that we are out on our own!:nut:

If they don't want them, then ship them back. Just make sure that they include the hand sanitizer and masks as well, when the flu hits them they can ask for it back. Unfortunately by that time people who don't find a evil plot behind a pre-planning measur will be using them.

[Mitsu3000gt]

I don't see the problem at all, they sent the items as a preventative measure and could easily have just sent nothing at all. They should be grateful. If we didn't send them I bet they would have gotten mad too. If they were on their own, they wouldn't have been helped at all. Also, I don't think there is medicine for H1N1 that we could have sent....all the nurses I know say hospitals are just telling people to treat is like a normal cold unless you get breathing problems (I think a vaccine is supposed to be out soon though). Don't the indians have a ritual or something that cures Swine Flu anyways?

[Kennyredline]

Nothing says "We're behind you 100%" like BODY BAGS!!

[sputnik]

Originally posted by masoncgy
You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't, when it comes to Canada's natives.

:werd:

[ZenOps]

Hey, if I were a native (or anyone, race doesn't even really play into it) waiting months for medical aid.

And the first thing that shows up from the Canadian government are a bunch of body bags... Oh man there would be hell to pay.

I'd send the body bag right back to Rob Anders home address. No wait - I'd personally deliver the bag and sneeze on the doorknob before leaving. (Ok, not really - but you get the idea.)

Its like people don't realize the message they send anymore. Might as well have sent Tang to the tainted water vicitims of Walkerton.

[scat19]

They want to have their own laws and rules in their communities, then they block trains and such, why should the government helpo out? Get your own hospital etc

[sputnik]

Originally posted by ZenOps
Hey, if I were a native (or anyone, race doesn't even really play into it) waiting months for medical aid.

And the first thing that shows up from the Canadian government are a bunch of body bags... Oh man there would be hell to pay.

I'd send the body bag right back to Rob Anders home address.

I take it you also have a short temper and lack basic critical thinking and logic skills.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by scat19
They want to have their own laws and rules in their communities, then they block trains and such, why should the government helpo out? Get your own hospital etc

This.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by ZenOps
Hey, if I were a native (or anyone, race doesn't even really play into it) waiting months for medical aid.

And the first thing that shows up from the Canadian government are a bunch of body bags... Oh man there would be hell to pay.

I'd send the body bag right back to Rob Anders home address.


And what about the hand sanitizer and masks? Clearly, they were supplying preventative measures but also facilitating proper body disposal should the worst happen.



Originally posted by scat19
They want to have their own laws and rules in their communities, then they block trains and such, why should the government helpo out? Get your own hospital etc

This.

[sputnik]

I personally can't wait until their lack of body bags (since some chiefs sent them back) results in even further infection and/or death.

[masoncgy]

Originally posted by ZenOps
Hey, if I were a native (or anyone, race doesn't even really play into it) waiting months for medical aid.

And the first thing that shows up from the Canadian government are a bunch of body bags... Oh man there would be hell to pay.

I'd send the body bag right back to Rob Anders home address.

Did you even read the source of your own post? It states very clearly that the body bags were shipped along with other items, including hand sanitizer & face masks.

[nonlinear]

:rolleyes:

BIG FUCKING DEAL. I would hope that the people in charge of any community would have body bags to properly take care of dead people.

[ZenOps]

Its not the right thing to do.

You also never send soldiers into battle carrying body bags, ever. Even if you are absolutely sure you will have casualties.

Never ever.

Not even from a scientific standpoint of sanitation can it overcome the defeatest attitude that would drive the entire nation into the darkest depths of moral decay (which is infinitely more dangerous than incinerating a few bodies instead of bagging them)

Also: Many soldiers that fight in desert country do not bring canteens of water with them for some missions. Even though its in the training - the idea is that if the mission lasts for more than couple hours - they are pretty much screwed and a canteen of water will just prolong an excruciating death. Scientifically its stupid as hell - but from a human perspective its totally necessary.

[masoncgy]

Sure, let's instead instruct the communities to burn the corpses instead... since you know, I'm sure that's a far less insensitive thing to do.

Disease & death are a reality of the flu... get with the program. The remoteness of these communities further underlines the need for them to be prepared to deal with what could be, when statistics show that a flu-related catastrophy has a far greater opportunity to occur in such places.

Leave it to the CBC & the liberal-left to sensationalize & politicize this non-issue.

Fuck, just one more day where I am ashamed to call myself a Canadian due to the actions of some misguided/ignorant minority.

[mr2mike]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt



And what about the hand sanitizer?


They drank 'em all.


Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt



And what about the masks?


They poured gas on them.... hands free huffing.

:devil:

Call me a racist but I'm tired of their crap. They just sit around, collect money to live on "their native lands". Someone showed them how to utilize the media and now they're sitting there thinking of things to go up in arms about and Igniaff jumps on the bandwagon because it suits his needs to work towards another election to waste all of Canada's money.

If they were used body bags, I might have sided with the natives this time. Or if they sent one body bag per person in the community I might show some sympathy that it was cruel. Otherwise, suck it up and read how to limit this flu!

[kenny]

Indian reserves are already on top of the priority list for flu vaccinations. Some people are just too sensitive.

[szw]

Originally posted by kenny
Indian reserves are already on top of the priority list for flu vaccinations. Some people are just too sensitive. Not for h1n1 vaccines I think.

Anyways, if they sent bodybags and other equiptment to a an actual hospital would anybody care?

[ZenOps]

Originally posted by szw
Not for h1n1 vaccines I think.

Anyways, if they sent bodybags and other equiptment to a an actual hospital would anybody care?

I don't believe these areas have a hospital or clinic (as we normally associate with a larger city) within a hundred km or so.

Its basically a survival kit - with body bags. They will probably recieve no other aid other than hopefully a hospital van that will be able to innoculate remote Canada before the roads ice over and are impassable. They will not helicopter in supplies if people in the major cities start dying left and right.

I'd also hate to be a farmer right now. The chances of being stuck in the middle of nowhere choking to death from a pulmonary infection... Worst way to go. I wonder what someone would say if one of the farmers got a body bag delivery.

[Legless_Marine2]

Originally posted by zipdoa
You mean America? Canada didn't do shit to Saddam, remember? So if he sent us a million body bags, we'd probably say thank you and find something useful to do with them. Like give them to natives.

Haha... Best post all day.

[FraserB]

Originally posted by kenny
Indian reserves are already on top of the priority list for flu vaccinations. Some people are just too sensitive.

They shouldn't be. The list should look like this.

1. Primary health care workers and key decision makers
2. Police, fire, EMS, infrastructure crews
3. Secondary health care workers
4. Military units with the highest chance of being used for civil duty should the need arise
5. Children under 10
6. Elderly over 60
7. Everyone else

There is no need to place natives at the top of the list unless they are part of the top 6 here. If they are, its only political and social pandering, something that has ZERO place in dealing with a public health threat.

Unless someone can explain why native reserves are more important than the list above.

[Xtrema]

Fuck'em, I didn't get any body bags and I have to buy my own Purell.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by ZenOps


I don't believe these areas have a hospital or clinic (as we normally associate with a larger city) within a hundred km or so.



Whose fault is it for not managing money properly and constructing clinics? Reserves could easily sustain themselves if money was used properly. It's my understanding that "chiefs" just hord all the money, and its up to them to disperse it among the rest of the indians and they don't. Perhaps they should build some clinics on the "Sacred" land otherwise reserved specifically for Casinos and golf courses.

[AndyL]

Originally posted by FraserB

Unless someone can explain why native reserves are more important than the list above.
Native reserves are getting them first because they've been the lions share of cases thus far (persons of native ancestry for whatever reason have been most succeptible).

This flu is a little 'different', most persons over 50 are mostly immune - it's hitting the reserves and the younger generations hardest - for reasons that are thusfar unknown. Thus their targets for immunizing are changed from the normal scenario - no point prioritizing those >50yrs who are already immune...

They got body bags - who cares, not a story; basic medical supplies...

[beyond_ban]

Originally posted by zipdoa
You mean America? Canada didn't do shit to Saddam, remember? So if he sent us a million body bags, we'd probably say thank you and find something useful to do with them. Like give them to natives.


i lol'd

[seany99119]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt


Whose fault is it for not managing money properly and constructing clinics? Reserves could easily sustain themselves if money was used properly. It's my understanding that "chiefs" just hord all the money, and its up to them to disperse it among the rest of the indians and they don't. Perhaps they should build some clinics on the "Sacred" land otherwise reserved specifically for Casinos and golf courses.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[kenny]

I should've been more clear. Indian reserves aren't specifically listed on the priority list, but they fall under "remote and isolated communities".

Phase 1 Priority:

-pregnant women
-children from 6 months to less than 5 years old
-residents of remote and isolated communities
-healthcare workers who participate in the pandemic response
-household contacts and caregivers of people at high risk or cannot be vaccinated such as babies under 6 months

Phase 2 Priority:

children from 5 to 18 years old
police and firefighters
poultry and swine workers
adults from 19 to 64 and senior citizens

[spikerS]

just goes to show how many minorities out there are willing to play the race card instantly if they think they can get some special treatment out of it.

I wonder how many other areas that received these kits alo received body bags as well?

The "multicultural melting pot" really has turned canada into a bunch of pussies.

[mr2mike]

Originally posted by spikers
just goes to show how many minorities out there are willing to play the race card instantly if they think they can get some special treatment out of it.


Don't forget the gays. They'll want rainbow body bags because the black is too mundane or something.

[masoncgy]

Originally posted by spikers
The "multicultural melting pot" really has turned canada into a bunch of pussies.

THAT is the biggest understatement of the new millenium.

[ZenOps]

Well, they are playing the race card... Because technically most of these natives didn't always use to live in remote areas of Canada.

We pushed them further and further north, with no access to medical care and barely have access to running water.

So access to medical care is partially our fault. We didn't *have* to push them out of the cities (like we are desperately trying to do with the Tsuu Tina) into areas that barely have roads, and hours away from the developed world.

[Thomas Gabriel]

Originally posted by spikers
The "multicultural melting pot" really has turned canada into a bunch of pussies.

That's the wrong term for Canada though. We are not a melting pot because minorities don't assimilate here. I believe Canada likes to be referred to as a cultural mosaic. It's not the immigrants that have turned Canada into a bunch of pussies, it is a history of ingrained liberal ideology in our country dating back to the beginnings. It was the British that allowed French speakers in Quebec to retain their language and culture even though they had lost the war. We are still paying for that mistake.

[FraserB]

Bullshit Zen, they chose this. They could have lived in cities and gotten jobs and paid their way in society like every one else but they are choosing not to. Living on "sacred land" and living off the government tit is much easier than taking responsibility for yourself. If they want running water or a hospital, get it out fo the hoarded money the chiefs have or revenue from the hotels, golf courses and casinos that are somehow more sacred than a road.

They play whatever card will get them the most at the time, whether it be the race card, white man oppresses me card or the "the white man had residential schools" card. Its pretty obvious that more and more people are getting sick of their shit but nothing will ever be done about it because like Spikers said, we are all a bunch of PC pussies now.

[TorqueDog]

Originally posted by ZenOps
Well, they are playing the race card... Because technically most of these natives didn't always use to live in remote areas of Canada.

We pushed them further and further north, with no access to medical care and barely have access to running water.

So access to medical care is partially our fault. We didn't *have* to push them out of the cities (like we are desperately trying to do with the Tsuu Tina) into areas that barely have roads, and hours away from the developed world. LOL @ mentioning the Tsuu T'ina. Their GREED is why we want to have nothing to do with them anymore.

[CUG]

Originally posted by FraserB
Bullshit Zen, they chose this. They could have lived in cities and gotten jobs and paid their way in society like every one else but they are choosing not to. Living on "sacred land" and living off the government tit is much easier than taking responsibility for yourself. If they want running water or a hospital, get it out fo the hoarded money the chiefs have or revenue from the hotels, golf courses and casinos that are somehow more sacred than a road.

They play whatever card will get them the most at the time, whether it be the race card, white man oppresses me card or the "the white man had residential schools" card. Its pretty obvious that more and more people are getting sick of their shit but nothing will ever be done about it because like Spikers said, we are all a bunch of PC pussies now.

I can't believe you'd go so far as to offend people like this.. truth has no place here.
















:rofl: :rofl:

[Cock Knuckle]

At the risk of sounding politically insensitive, which is not my aim; Why don't they (Natives) remain segregated from the rest of society enough so that they do no get these infectious diseases. If there was no constant booze/cigarette runs in and out of their community they would have a very small chance of contacting any contagions, and people wouldn't be drunk/high all the time.

Now for the Politically insensitive comment: As far as crime goes, Is it too much to ask for them to remain on their sacred land and not interfere with urban progress?

[revelations]

Not sure how much time any of you guys have spent on reserves (getting gas at Tsu Tsiina doesent count) but some of these people have NEVER washed their hands. Its no surprise that diseases are rampant around their areas.

Some of these people, in the bad reserves, also live (literally) in their own filth.

The article mentiones that the reserves the bags were sent to were the "hardest hit". Doesnt this mean deaths ALREADY OCCURRED?

If so, then sending bags for these people, many who are too lazy to dig proper graves, isnt a bad idea.

[Seanith]

They should send in shipments of these outfits and masks as well:

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/10-worst-epidemics-4.jpg

[Danny Meehan]

never been in a reserve... are they worse than Sunnyvale

[97'Scort]

Well, we've already got it out here on the island. First "pandemic" case in Canada, apparently.

Maybe it will kill off some of the bad drivers...

[dirtsniffer]

fuck, if the government sent me bodybags, hand sanitizer (alchohol), and face masks i wouldnt bitch.. i would have a crazy weekend.. i also heard they werent allowed hand sanitizer with alchohol :rofl:

[JRSC00LUDE]

Maybe they should send ZenOps one too......and some bullets.

EDIT - Why waste the lead? If a competent thought can't penetrate that knuckleheads skull, I doubt a bullet could either....

[Canmorite]

Over sensitive political whiners. The bags came in with a shipment of everythig else.

[Seanith]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
Maybe they should send ZenOps one too......and some bullets.

And a Rob Anders mask to place firmly on his face to make it easier.

[TKRIS]

Fine then. Fuck you.
Go ahead and wrap your dead in Hefty bags you stupid motherfuckers.
Fill your boots.

[2Valve0]

:whocares:

our tax payers are the ones sending them this, get the natives to send them back and give me a bigger tax return

[ZenOps]

Originally posted by FraserB
Bullshit Zen, they chose this. They could have lived in cities and gotten jobs and paid their way in society like every one else but they are choosing not to. Living on "sacred land" and living off the government tit is much easier than taking responsibility for yourself. If they want running water or a hospital, get it out fo the hoarded money the chiefs have or revenue from the hotels, golf courses and casinos that are somehow more sacred than a road.

They play whatever card will get them the most at the time, whether it be the race card, white man oppresses me card or the "the white man had residential schools" card. Its pretty obvious that more and more people are getting sick of their shit but nothing will ever be done about it because like Spikers said, we are all a bunch of PC pussies now.

Maybe a little closer to the truth today - but even 50 years ago there was no monetary compensation beyond a few token dollars.

The idea of segregation is still strong in Canada. Its pretty well unthinkable to many Canadians that natives like the Tsuu Tina might actually *want* to stay in Calgary. There should have been a contingency plan where we could buy the land from the Tsuu Tina - and not push all 2,000 of them into some rock somewhere else. (and then legitimize not treating them to basic health services - by saying the area is too remote/too difficult to get to.)

But that would bring about the idea - that sometime in the future some native grandchild will complain that they got screwed (unfairly compensated) for the land. And then things get ugly - Which is exactly why its a near universal truth that "You can't buy land." If you swap land - their voice will be so far away as to never be heard from again.

In matters like this - I always ask myself - what would the master of real estate Donald Trump do... If he owned the Tsuu Tina land - would he sell it for $240 million and a 5x chunk of land in the middle of nowhere. The answer of course is hells no.

[Rat Fink]

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[adam c]

i've only met 3 natives in my life that i respected
1 i went to elementary with
1 i went to high school with
and 1 i worked with

all were outstanding, were working towards their future, weren't drugged/drunk idiots and had education and experience going for them

as for the other ones....

[mr2mike]

Yes and they were the ones that didn't live on the reserve, they took it upon themselves to integrate and I respect that.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by ZenOps
Its not the right thing to do.

You also never send soldiers into battle carrying body bags, ever. Even if you are absolutely sure you will have casualties.

Never ever.

Not even from a scientific standpoint of sanitation can it overcome the defeatest attitude that would drive the entire nation into the darkest depths of moral decay (which is infinitely more dangerous than incinerating a few bodies instead of bagging them)

Also: Many soldiers that fight in desert country do not bring canteens of water with them for some missions. Even though its in the training - the idea is that if the mission lasts for more than couple hours - they are pretty much screwed and a canteen of water will just prolong an excruciating death. Scientifically its stupid as hell - but from a human perspective its totally necessary.

Actually, they do send soldiers into combat with body bags, they just don't call them "body bags"per se..
http://www.arucsystems.com/fnimall/slick.phtml

I think you're full of it about the water comment on soldiers going into combat in the desert as well. It makes no sense to me when the standard field gear has pockets for water and other gear... if you can, cite your source, or find someone that's served in a desert country that can testify...

http://www.kingsown.caequipment.htm#equipment
Tac Vest

Designed to sustain the individual soldier for 8 - 24 hours. The TV features 12 pockets; four breast ammunition pockets, two front utility pockets, two detachable side utility pockets for one C9 ammunition drum and one 2 litre water bottle, two smoke grenade pockets and two M67 grenade pockets. In addition, the TV will have a bayonet scabbard carrier, whistle pocket, and MaglightTM pocket.
http://www.kingsown.ca/Tac%20Vest.jpg

[codetrap]

Wow.. just came across this.. guess throwing money at the problem hasn't helped at all..


During the late 1970s and early 1980s, major funding was provided by the national government for Indian administration of various programs. These monetary commitments remain to this day. Native programs are administered through the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development (DIAND), which has an $8 billion annual budget, roughly $5.36 billion of which is spent on grants and contributions to natives (AFN, 2004). The 2004/05 forecasted spending on Aboriginal people in Canada included elements such as $1.4337 billion for education (including $305 million for post-secondary education), $161.3 million for housing, $156.4 million for the operations of their self-government and $1.1755 billion for social development (DIAND, 1999). "Social Development" for native communities includes family and children services, income assistance, disabilities aid, family violence prevention programs and early childhood development. Just in the 2002-03 fiscal year, the government allocated $947 million to educate 120,000 elementary and secondary First Nations students across Canada (Lunman, 2002). The per-capita expenditure on native people in Canada is more than double that of the United States (Frideres, 1998). It's important to note that, in spite of the massive funding for Aboriginal education, 35 percent of indigenous workers aged 18-64 have only elementary or secondary schooling without a graduation diploma, compared to 25 percent of Canadians as a whole (Bernier, 1997).

....the federal government expends significant resources running the administrative side of the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development. It is the highest-cost department to run, reaching 27.9% of total departmental spending in the 1994/95 fiscal year (DIAND, 1999). That's 9 times the spending for Health Canada and more than 100 times the spending of the Citizenship and Immigration Department (DIAND, 1999)!

I wonder what the current numbers are like?

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by adam c
i've only met 3 natives in my life that i respected
1 i went to elementary with
1 i went to high school with
and 1 i worked with

all were outstanding, were working towards their future, weren't drugged/drunk idiots and had education and experience going for them

as for the other ones....

Thats 3 more than most people (I've never even seen one- even the ones I went to school with were complete losers, one even attacked a friend of mine for literally no reason at all). Good on them for actually making something of themselves rather than living off the government and bitching about everything. They all have a choice to go make something of themselves, its just easier to do nothing and collect free money.

[RatherBePerfin]

I hate to bump up a topic that is a few weeks old, but I haven't seen this mentioned yet. My brother works in northern Manitoba and is home for a visit. I remembered this post and asked him about it. He said it is amazing how a regularly scheduled restocking program can be spun in such a way.

Also, as far as these people not having access to any health care at all, that is not true. Most or all of the reserves have nursing stations. They are also flown out via medivac at the government's expense if they have urgent health issues that cannot be dealt with on the reserve.

[AndyL]

Now - anyone hear the news that the body bags were actually ordered by the reserve nursing station?

So lets get this straight... Nurses on the reserve order body bags - body bags are sent... Big Chief makes Big Stink - nurses say nothing; month later - health canada says "they ordered them" and get nearly no press coverage...

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2078068

And if we hadn't sent them the body bags they ordered - what would have been the reaction?

:facepalm:

[Sugarphreak]

....

[ringer]

The entire "situation" with the native canadians is such a hot mess.
It is literally all finger pointing and a disaster.

Friend of mine works at the hospital and told me their health is awful they come in with massive infections and sores it is just awful.
I do feel for the few that have worked so hard to escape the stereotype and have gotten an education and are part of our society and trying to reclaim their heritage and culture.
Another friend had some natives working for his dad and had one kid in about his 20s that had been working really hard and saving his money and one day his parents just cleaned out his account of all his money and disappeared, left him with nothing.
Also after pay day you could not expect most of them to be back to work for the next couple days - week because they would go on a bender spend all the money on booze and drugs and then come back when the money ran out.

[TorqueDog]

Originally posted by AndyL
Now - anyone hear the news that the body bags were actually ordered by the reserve nursing station?

So lets get this straight... Nurses on the reserve order body bags - body bags are sent... Big Chief makes Big Stink - nurses say nothing; month later - health canada says "they ordered them" and get nearly no press coverage...

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2078068

And if we hadn't sent them the body bags they ordered - what would have been the reaction?

:facepalm: As a Canadian citizen, I demand a public apology from the First Nations Chiefs behind this nonsense who wasted our time and tax dollars with the 'inquiry' they wanted.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by TorqueDog
As a Canadian citizen, I demand a public apology from the First Nations Chiefs behind this nonsense who wasted our time and tax dollars with the 'inquiry' they wanted.

Go to town.

http://www.mkonorth.com/contactmkostaff.html

I sent them this..

______________________________________________
From: Jim C
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:03 PM
To: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'
Subject: Public Apology?

Greetings,

I'm curious to find out if the Grand Chief is planning on issuing a public apology for the attacks on Health Canada over the whole bodybag issue now that it's been revealed that it's a simple ordering mistake by the nursing station at the community?

Thanks,

Jim C

[Seanith]

Oh natives. When are you going to release all this comedy material to DVD? :rolleyes: