View Full Version : what car would you build?
DSM4LIFE
10-06-2009, 07:34 PM
i'm looking into a new project and i am wanting some opinions. I'm debating between skyline GTR, MK4 supra or SW20. which one would and wouldn't you build and why.
Ukyo8
10-06-2009, 07:38 PM
Depends on how rich you are
:rofl:
Redlyne_mr2
10-06-2009, 07:39 PM
What are your goals?
DSM4LIFE
10-06-2009, 07:40 PM
it would be a slow build i got quite a bit of time. but i would have enough money to import any of these
Kardon
10-06-2009, 07:40 PM
Yeah what are you building the car for?
DSM4LIFE
10-06-2009, 07:41 PM
im looking for a fast styling street car that i will run at the track and now and then. i already have another vehicle for breakdowns
TE4MFaint
10-06-2009, 07:42 PM
SW20.
Buy that black LHD one for $5000.
Great build car.
Kardon
10-06-2009, 07:43 PM
I'd say MK4.
DSM4LIFE
10-06-2009, 07:44 PM
went and looked at it already...... lets say im not wanting to do full rebuild
Sentry
10-06-2009, 07:44 PM
Between those three, a Supra, but considering there's still a price gap between a clean SW20 and a beat up turbo Supra or GTR I would go with the SW20 MR2. You'd end up paying much less for a nicer car.
ej5Y4bRmtXg
What I personally would like to mess around with would be a DSM or a foxbody Mustang. Gonna stick with the Civic a couple years though, I only had it for a year so far.
FiveFreshFish
10-06-2009, 07:45 PM
http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/Content.aspx?f=gtrintro
DSM4LIFE
10-06-2009, 07:45 PM
well i had a DSM... and didn't have that too long. i have a GSR hatch with turbo kit sitting here but i dont want FWD anymore
Phil_McGraw
10-06-2009, 07:51 PM
Buy a turbo mk4 supra, strip it, convert the motor to NA, and make a sick track car. No one in their right mind would do that, but it would be sweet as shit. NA I6. Why not?
Sentry
10-06-2009, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by Phil_McGraw
Buy a turbo mk4 supra, strip it, convert the motor to NA, and make a sick track car. No one in their right mind would do that, but it would be sweet as shit. NA I6. Why not?
I can think of a couple reasons.
Being dogshit slow, for one.
Kardon
10-06-2009, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by Phil_McGraw
Buy a turbo mk4 supra, strip it, convert the motor to NA, and make a sick track car. No one in their right mind would do that, but it would be sweet as shit. NA I6. Why not?
Oh is that cause they never sold the 2JZ without twin turbos? Or is it cause NA is faster than F/I? Or is it cause turbo's are SO heavy they shouldn't be used on track cars? Or is your comment completely retarded?
Phil_McGraw
10-06-2009, 08:29 PM
Umm... Sorry? I just thought it would be cool... I like the sound of all motor builds... I'm sure you could build a quick enough all motor 2jz. I just thought that would be a cool car since I was a kid. I am now completely demoralized...:(
Redlyne_mr2
10-06-2009, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by Phil_McGraw
Umm... Sorry? I just thought it would be cool... I like the sound of all motor builds... I'm sure you could build a quick enough all motor 2jz. I just thought that would be a cool car since I was a kid. I am now completely demoralized...:(
lol .. poor dude... the Mk4 chassis is super heavy and needs the power and tq of a turbo engine. The 2J non turbo engine is also very heavy so if you really wanted to stick with NA I'd swap in an LS1 motor.
Supras dont really handle all that well. But as a drag car, they are the shit.
GTR has a cult like following, but it is justified. In all aspects it is 100% the car you think it is. No holds barred race lion in street clothes.
Thing is, GTRs are the MOST expensive car to mod on that list bar none. Very expensive.
If you manage to track down a 6spd TT Supra, for sub 20K count yourself a luck man. (JDM) But these can develop high horsepower with JUST money into engine management, fueling and a turbo setup of your choosing.
Have you considered something hybrid? Like an LS1 E36? or a 2JZ s14?
pinoyboy88
10-06-2009, 09:48 PM
s14 den slap in rb26 :drool: FTW
m10-power
10-06-2009, 10:01 PM
What's your budget? Anything turbocharger is a pain in the butt to track seriously, unless it's very very well built (think Porsche) = $$$ or not overly modified (factory turbo cars)
LS1 into anything rwd, ie E36, FD, 240sx is probably the ticket, but again not cheap to do correctly.
On your list the GTR is probably the best choice, will prove to be the quickest on track when modified and the RB engine is a solid power plant. If your tracking it concentrate on suspension, brakes and quality tires, seat time is next then start doing bolt on. You'll go much faster(lap time wise) with proper suspension then with 100 more hp.
Bizzareo
10-06-2009, 10:03 PM
I would personally build a deuce coupe/33 ford rod. As for an import, I would save my money, find a car that really excites me, do my research, and use those funds on said car. Give it some time, this way you don't rush into anything that may become a regret/headache in the future.
RecoilS14
10-06-2009, 11:50 PM
Puttin a 2JZ into a S14 will cost around 10k. i know, i've looked into it.
DSM4LIFE
10-06-2009, 11:54 PM
what i meant by track was 1/4 mile not lap
caterham 7
do it. Be a man.
m10-power
10-07-2009, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by DSM4LIFE
what i meant by track was 1/4 mile not lap
Should have said drag then, as in queen :poosie:
:D
GTR for sure then
How about an S2K with this kit? 500whp on pump gas in a S2K would be awesome.
http://www.inlinepro.com/s1/p-16-stage-2-s2000-turbo-kit.aspx
msommers
10-07-2009, 12:55 AM
R34 GTR V-Spec II. I would sink so much god damn money into that, even knowing full well it'd be a track-only car.
Eleanor
10-07-2009, 08:00 AM
Daytona Coupe
DSM4LIFE
10-07-2009, 10:10 AM
I think i'm going to go with gtr. Because it would be good for drag and lap
Its not 10K for a 2jz in to an s14, it cost me 6K with engine management for a 2j into an s13. Stop talking shit.
What you need is a 2jz (1800$) an R154 (300$) and make your own engine mounts, or get them custom fabed (650-1000$) clutch/master cylinder, 2jz Bellhousing (300$) A clutch (800$) and then from there what ever turbo kit you want to construct/use.
There are tons of small things like rear brake lines, ebrake, wiring, odds and ends. suspention, and other mods that you want to do.
Wiring your dash, because at this point you WILL be using a standalone. Wiring supra harness into s13 = stupid option.
At any rate, it also depends on your skill level as a mechanic, engineer, and your patience. Many people start hybrids, few people finish them.
Again, I have owned a GTR, I havent owned/track driven an mr2. I have a close friend who owns a fast-ish supra. I know all about the supra and the GTR, not so much the mr2. It couldnt potentially be a nice car... but you have to track drive a stock one, and see how it responds, and more importantly... whether you respond to the car.
Either way, you should probably go for a ride in a few different cars before you decide to throw around about 20grand. Thats about how much all in it will cost you for car, and mods if you do any of those cars to about a 400 rwhp mark. Dont forget at our altitude that 333 stock HP m3 barely cracks 230hp at the rearwheels... so be sensible with your power aspirations.
PM Ron@revolution / supadexta... they both own 1000HP + cars that they've built themselfs. Also give calgaryautoworks a shout... lawrence has some hybrid swaps... and their techs all own hybrid cars.
Then build the supra forsure. Find a NA jdm car, swap a 2jz GTE use the stock tranny or if you are baller enough... find a v161 (USDM getrag 6spd) and build a turbo kit, fuel management, and an SDS.
By the by a clean JDM 6spd TT supra hovers about the 20grand mark... so keep that in mind.
ever think about building a mark3 supra? 1jz is a hella strong motor. they can handle 500WHP stock block and head... they flow enough air that you dont even need cams!! However you could build a FAST like monster fast mark3 for the cost of a medicore mk4.
GTR's are still 12K+ for a nice r32... Keep that in mind
DSM4LIFE
10-07-2009, 11:39 PM
well i found a GTR for alot cheaper. and im wanting to make at least 12 on the qurter
pinoyboy88
10-08-2009, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by R154
Its not 10K for a 2jz in to an s14, it cost me 6K with engine management for a 2j into an s13. Stop talking shit.
What you need is a 2jz (1800$) an R154 (300$) and make your own engine mounts, or get them custom fabed (650-1000$) clutch/master cylinder, 2jz Bellhousing (300$) A clutch (800$) and then from there what ever turbo kit you want to construct/use.
There are tons of small things like rear brake lines, ebrake, wiring, odds and ends. suspention, and other mods that you want to do.
Wiring your dash, because at this point you WILL be using a standalone. Wiring supra harness into s13 = stupid option.
At any rate, it also depends on your skill level as a mechanic, engineer, and your patience. Many people start hybrids, few people finish them.
Again, I have owned a GTR, I havent owned/track driven an mr2. I have a close friend who owns a fast-ish supra. I know all about the supra and the GTR, not so much the mr2. It couldnt potentially be a nice car... but you have to track drive a stock one, and see how it responds, and more importantly... whether you respond to the car.
Either way, you should probably go for a ride in a few different cars before you decide to throw around about 20grand. Thats about how much all in it will cost you for car, and mods if you do any of those cars to about a 400 rwhp mark. Dont forget at our altitude that 333 stock HP m3 barely cracks 230hp at the rearwheels... so be sensible with your power aspirations.
PM Ron@revolution / supadexta... they both own 1000HP + cars that they've built themselfs. Also give calgaryautoworks a shout... lawrence has some hybrid swaps... and their techs all own hybrid cars.
2jz turbo into s13? 6k? pics or it didnt happen :clap:
Originally posted by pinoyboy88
2jz turbo into s13? 6k? pics or it didnt happen :clap:
R154 knows his shit, believe me :)
ICEBERG
10-08-2009, 09:41 AM
How about a Nissan 350Z? You can find one around 16K - 17K. Would be a nice built with super charger, exhaust and some body upgrades.
pinoyboy88
10-08-2009, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by A790
R154 knows his shit, believe me :)
2jz twin turbo on s13? thats cool id still like to see pics if possible
for an outright drag car none of them, its a waste.
If you want to drag race exclusively then get a fox body.
Single turbo. I'll do you one better. Dyno sheets, and a video. Beyond street life v.2 ;) It is being edited.
Nissan_Fanboy
10-08-2009, 04:08 PM
Wow, you change your mind more than me ...
I thought you wanted to do a 240sx build, then a GS-R turbo build.
Pick something and stick with it.
Personally, i would find a non turbo supra and throw a T51R turbo on it. Cheaper than TT IMO
DSM4LIFE
10-08-2009, 04:11 PM
well i sold 240 cause i wanted something better and i dont want FWD anymore.
Kardon
10-08-2009, 04:40 PM
Why is everyone suggesting a NA Supra? There are alot of differences between the GTE and the GE, and IIRC last guy who bought a NA JDM MK4 who wanted to turbo it, pretty much everybody told him to sell it and find a factory GTE.. :confused:
Nissan_Fanboy
10-08-2009, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by Kardon
Why is everyone suggesting a NA Supra? There are alot of differences between the GTE and the GE, and IIRC last guy who bought a NA JDM MK4 who wanted to turbo it, pretty much everybody told him to sell it and find a factory GTE.. :confused:
cheaper ? lol i duno.
whatevs, :hijack: up or some forza kardon ?
Redlyne_mr2
10-08-2009, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by R154
Single turbo. I'll do you one better. Dyno sheets, and a video. Beyond street life v.2 ;) It is being edited.
yes
Kardon
10-08-2009, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by Nissan_Fanboy
cheaper ? lol i duno.
whatevs, :hijack: up or some forza kardon ?
Turning that shit on right now
syritis
10-08-2009, 05:42 PM
Westfield - XTR2 (it's a kit car)
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/images/5039-3.JPG
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/images/3364-4.jpg
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/images/5039-5.JPG
http://www.westfield-sportscars.co.uk/XTR.html
Originally posted by Nissan_Fanboy
Wow, you change your mind more than me ...
I thought you wanted to do a 240sx build, then a GS-R turbo build.
Pick something and stick with it.
Personally, i would find a non turbo supra and throw a T51R turbo on it. Cheaper than TT IMO
You cant just "throw a t51r" on an NA. For starters even though the GE and GTE block are similar they are NOT the same. From the factory an NA didnt come with oil squirters or drop forged crank/pistons/rods. a GTE also runs a triggerwheel, well a cam sensor whereas a GE runs a distributor which limits how agressively one can retard/advance their timing. Not to mention nearly every standalone runs a triggerwheel or a holsender.
The big advantage to doing up an NA is price... but unfortunately a stock 5spd MK4 tranny is weak as hell... however an R154 is strong (1jz tranny from an 89-93 USDM supra). What makes TT's so special IS the transmission... its a getrag german build transmission that can hold well over 1500HP before you even need to worry. Some schockproof gear oil and you are good to go.
Other differences include throttlebody size, and exhasut valve sizes. The GTE's valves are 1MM bigger on the exhaust side.
Besides which a t51r is an HKS turbo and is used exclusively in HKS kits... therefore it isnt actually something you can "throw" on a 2jz. However a t51R sized turbo like a to4R or a To4R-S something in 80mill is T51R sized.
one of the best turbo's you can buy in that size would be a GT42R with either an 86 or 96 exhaust housing... it just depends where you want to build boost... and whether you plan on building the head for a high reving motor.
Personally the best streetable turbo for a 2jz would be a 7000MR from SPA. Fantastic turbo's cheap.... but they arent ball bearing, and to be honest half the appeal of a 2jz over an LS1, or a RB is the sound of a jet engine spooling down after a 3rd gear pull...
Nissan_Fanboy
10-08-2009, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by R154
You cant just "throw a t51r" on an NA. For starters even though the GE and GTE block are similar they are NOT the same. From the factory an NA didnt come with oil squirters or drop forged crank/pistons/rods. a GTE also runs a triggerwheel, well a cam sensor whereas a GE runs a distributor which limits how agressively one can retard/advance their timing. Not to mention nearly every standalone runs a triggerwheel or a holsender.
The big advantage to doing up an NA is price... but unfortunately a stock 5spd MK4 tranny is weak as hell... however an R154 is strong (1jz tranny from an 89-93 USDM supra). What makes TT's so special IS the transmission... its a getrag german build transmission that can hold well over 1500HP before you even need to worry. Some schockproof gear oil and you are good to go.
Other differences include throttlebody size, and exhasut valve sizes. The GTE's valves are 1MM bigger on the exhaust side.
Besides which a t51r is an HKS turbo and is used exclusively in HKS kits... therefore it isnt actually something you can "throw" on a 2jz. However a t51R sized turbo like a to4R or a To4R-S something in 80mill is T51R sized.
one of the best turbo's you can buy in that size would be a GT42R with either an 86 or 96 exhaust housing... it just depends where you want to build boost... and whether you plan on building the head for a high reving motor.
Personally the best streetable turbo for a 2jz would be a 7000MR from SPA. Fantastic turbo's cheap.... but they arent ball bearing, and to be honest half the appeal of a 2jz over an LS1, or a RB is the sound of a jet engine spooling down after a 3rd gear pull...
Well if i was going to do it, i wouldn't just throw one on,
Now that i think about it, it would be better just to start with a TT engine. haha probably won't ever get build by me tho, so no sweat!
pinoyboy88
10-08-2009, 10:56 PM
go rb route ull love the sound of a jet..throw in a t04z like mine tee hee:guns:
bawlls
10-08-2009, 11:29 PM
Pretty sure thats something you have to decide. As far as I know they all have their perks and flaw... or I should say lack thereof. All 3 of them are a good choice, so just pick yourself.
Shlade
10-09-2009, 09:28 AM
240sx with rb25
JAYMEZ
10-09-2009, 10:15 AM
NA Supra sucks.. Why are people even putting that up.
Shlade
10-09-2009, 10:23 AM
^
you miss yours dont'cha?
admit itt :D
Big_Fat
10-10-2009, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Sentry
ej5Y4bRmtXg
haha i seen that video ya i would go for the SW20 also MR2's are pimp
Nissan_Fanboy
10-10-2009, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Shlade
240sx with rb25
If i had the money, i would probably go this route. Would probably stick with the s13/hatch though, looks dope!
Also, the sound.... :drool: :drool: :drool:
You can't beat the sound of an Inline six with the turbo spoolin so hard it hurts.
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