SFGate article on alberta oil sands

[googe]

Looks like you guys got the hippies down here raging now!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/10/07/notes100709.DTL

[masoncgy]

Fuck 'em. Complain all you want... the oilsands won't go away until the world's demands for oil cease... it's that simple.

Isn't California on it's way to becoming the first failed state in the Union? Deal with your own problems first, thanks.

[scat19]

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[benyl]

haha, maybe they should have thought about how they build their cities in California. If they weren't so car centric, they wouldn't need our dirty oil.

[97'Scort]

Damn right we're bigger than Jesus. :rofl:

[FraserB]

Wow, a fuckup state like Cali is making fun of us. Too bad we still have money in the provincial account.

[sputnik]

LOL

I guess SF has no cars on the streets because everyone there rides bicycles.

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by benyl
If they weren't so car centric, they wouldn't need our dirty oil. :werd:

Plus having massive farms out in what used to be desert is really helping out the environment as well :rolleyes:

[ZenOps]

I don't see a problem. California will get a degree or two hotter, and they will need a ton of electricity to keep the air conditioners running.

Electricity which we can sell to them at a premium price - from our vast coal generation plants.

If Californians don't want to use oil/coal then fine - do without airconditioning and save the earth. Like thats going to happen, lol.

A degree or two hotter in Canada would make this place a freaking paradise.

[98type_r]

Originally posted by sputnik
LOL

I guess SF has no cars on the streets because everyone there rides bicycles.

no they all drive prius' and like to smell their own farts

[J NRG]

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[ZenOps]

They compost their pizza boxes in Calfornia? Never knew that.

[Diocletian]

Originally posted by benyl
haha, maybe they should have thought about how they build their cities in California. If they weren't so car centric, they wouldn't need our dirty oil.

As wasteful as they are in california, we here in Canada are much worse again.

[dirtsniffer]

ahaha those fuckers should be careful about how much they bitch.. anyone want to stop that power line from going south?
i cant remember the exact timeline, but cali and nevada should be experiencing rolling black outs anyday now.. apparently the hoover dam is going to stop producing electricity because of the lack of water.. lol... we are going to have an interesting 50 years

[97acura]

Awesome :rofl:

[Sugarphreak]

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[Diocletian]

Well oil sands are dirty - this cannot be argued. At this point, however, I really don't think there is an alternative

[97acura]

Fuck. I clicked that link again.

I'm going to go on a long road trip this weekend and use plenty of fuel. I am also not going to recycle.

[googe]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
ahaha those fuckers should be careful about how much they bitch.. anyone want to stop that power line from going south?
i cant remember the exact timeline, but cali and nevada should be experiencing rolling black outs anyday now.. apparently the hoover dam is going to stop producing electricity because of the lack of water.. lol... we are going to have an interesting 50 years

do you have a source for any of that?

seems like something id have heard about by now if it were real. we had rolling blackouts in 2001, but that was from the enron scam.

[finboy]

obvious biased article but he raises some valid arguments regarding extraction, tailing ponds, cancer rates, etc., shame the discussion in this thread doesn't do the same :dunno:

[dezmarez]

Originally posted by finboy
obvious biased article but he raises some valid arguments regarding extraction, tailing ponds, cancer rates, etc., shame the discussion in this thread doesn't do the same :dunno:


haha what do you mean?

he didnt support any sort of argument at all with facts...

such a brutal argument

[dirtsniffer]

Originally posted by googe


do you have a source for any of that?

seems like something id have heard about by now if it were real. we had rolling blackouts in 2001, but that was from the enron scam.
http://ulocal.thebostonchannel.com/_Hoover-Dam-Running-Out-Of-Water/photo/5171103/61862.html#

Lake Mead

Finding the water for casinos is one reason crews are working around the clock at Lake Mead.

In 2002 alone, lack of rainfall lowered the deep-blue waters by 24.6 feet, leaving white bathtub-ring-like marks on the brown cliffs and stranding docks half a mile from shore.

Today, the lake is 1,112 feet above sea level. Should it fall to 1,075 feet, the federal government would cut the water to seven states that depend on the Colorado River, according to an agreement they all signed in 2007. If that happens, the states would likely renegotiate a 1922 pact that divided up the river’s water rights in the first place, Mulroy says. Mexico’s allocation under a 1944 treaty could also change.

If the drought persists and more water is diverted from the Colorado, the lake could drop to 1,050 feet. That would prevent water from flowing into the intake pipe and cut 40 percent of Las Vegas’s supply -- the disaster Mulroy is trying to head off. Hoover Dam, completed in 1935 to regulate the river and form Lake Mead, wouldn’t be able to produce electricity for the 750,000 people it supplies in Los Angeles.

quoted from:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a_b86mnWn9.w


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28068692/wid/18298287/

...is enough electricity to power a city of 750,000 people.... Nineteen percent of the electricity from the Hoover Dam goes to Arizona, 23 percent goes to Nevada, and 58 percent goes to California. About 15 percent of the Dam’s electricity goes to Los Angeles ....

quoted from:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/kids/energy.cfm?page=Hoover_Dam

There's a 50-50 chance that the Arizona- and Nevada-bordering, human-made Lake Mead will become Dry Ditch Mead by 2021, according to a study to be published in the journal Water Resources Research. Oh, and that's a conservative estimate, say the study authors, as is this one: By 2017, there's an equally good chance that water levels in the reservoir could drop so low that the Hoover Dam would be incapable of producing hydroelectric power
quoted from:
http://www.grist.org/article/mead/