What's a GOOD 4x4?

[Weapon_R]

With all of the SUV's coming out, what is actually a GOOD 4x4? One that is capable of actually going offroading? I hardly doubt a Ford Expedition or Escalade can do well on 4x4 terrain. What's the best stock out of the bunch?

- Under 45k -

[redline_13000]

If your not talking 2004 my pick would be a Blazer zr2:D

[Stratus_Power]

4runner ?

[3G]

how about the Pathfinder?

[benyl]

A true die hard 4X4 person would want a stick and manual locking hubs... (well that is what I have heard) That only leaves trucks now.

4runner has gone up market starting about 3 years ago when you couldn't get a standard transmission anymore. You can get one in the base Pathfinder with 250hp... not bad.

You have to realize that most SUV are now targetted at soccer moms who almost never put them in 4WD. Look at the Explorer. It now comes in full-time 4WD so the driver doesn't have to think about it.

I would get a Yukon with the Z71 package. A little over your 50K mark, but a very capable truck.

No disrespect, but the blazer Zr2 just always looks like it wants to roll over...

Another vehicle you might consider that is just over 45K is the VW Toureg. It is aparently an awesome 4X4.

[Stratus_Power]

H2!! :P

[hjr]

the Touareg is pretty good but over the price, now for an all out offroader, Jeep TJ. 4.0L inline 6. 5 speed. And cherokee isnt too bad either. both those can be purchased used and most people cant tell the diff. as they dont change much.

[rice_eater]

shouldn't the Jeep be at the top of 4x4s? I mean they've been making them for so damn long, and are what seems to be the vehicles of choice for off roaders. TJs, YJs, and Cherokees is what i see a lot of going off roading. I mean no offense, all the SUVs you guys talked about are great, but would you take your Toureg out through the rocks? If you want the ultimate 4x4 by a Land Rover

[civic_stylez]

Originally posted by rice_eater
shouldn't the Jeep be at the top of 4x4s? I mean they've been making them for so damn long, and are what seems to be the vehicles of choice for off roaders. TJs, YJs, and Cherokees is what i see a lot of going off roading. I mean no offense, all the SUVs you guys talked about are great, but would you take your Toureg out through the rocks? If you want the ultimate 4x4 by a Land Rover
i totally agree for affordability and actual off road performance.. the jeep tops my list. jeep cherokee 4x4 sport. they dont come with no on board navigation or sheepskin leather but they rock in the snow and in the dirt.:thumbsup:

[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by rice_eater
shouldn't the Jeep be at the top of 4x4s? I mean they've been making them for so damn long, and are what seems to be the vehicles of choice for off roaders. TJs, YJs, and Cherokees is what i see a lot of going off roading. I mean no offense, all the SUVs you guys talked about are great, but would you take your Toureg out through the rocks? If you want the ultimate 4x4 by a Land Rover
no technically the landrover is at the top of the 4x4 list for their abilities to climb steeper hills than jeeps.. the yj/tj's which are used more than the cheerokees in offroading events have probably the most potential for rockclimbing and just plain fun. but ppl think jeeps are 4x4 are invincible or somethin.. offroading gets very expensive real quick.. the thing about tj/yj's are is their reputation for tipping..

[Weapon_R]

That's exactly what I mean - today, you see soccor moms buying these monster SUVs, but most of them can't really handle some serious terrain. For an all out SUV, reasonably priced, what seems to be the best? And does anyone have any links to one?

[That.Guy.S30]

seriously if you ask me.. i would go with a jeep TJ rubicon.. why.. becuase it is a jeep.. and becuase its the only tj/yj that from factory you can go rock climbing with..ive had problems with their dependability but what real SUV doesnt have dependability problems.. plus i beat the shit out of my SUV and it was used..
plus the TJ/YJ in summer you can take off the roof and have some real fun grabbin attention! chick magnet my friend.
The grand cherokee is good for a daily ride and has some offraoding capabilities.. i would not go with fords, mazda, toyota just becuase they are new to the offroadin game. when you go to events all you see is older willies, yj, tj, cherokee's, some trucks like the ford branco. but this is my opinion..

[Weapon_R]

Not sure why you say Toyota is new to the game, since the landcruisers were used in World War II for their abilities...

[That.Guy.S30]

cuz i went oofroading with my friends tocoma and it barely kept it.. but then agian it is a truck.. yea i see some landcruisers here and there but i meant their new trucks and SUVs.. ie 4runner, titan or whatever its called.. those are more for the city use than 4x4.. and the h1's and willies were used in the war too..

[That.Guy.S30]

heres a good site to ask what 4x4 is good
i used to go 4x4ing with these guys
http://www.bogginfreaks.com/

[ninspeed]

K5 Blazer with a 525

[E36M3]

I guess it is 3x the price cap, but my G does well off-road.

Three locking differentials and the AMG V8 make mud fun.

[illeagle]

^^^^ whoa your crazy, your SUV prolly hates you, What were you thinking? It ain't a Suzuki, j/k Nice ride though

[illeagle]

Best 4X4? I'd go Jeep Yj/Tj or the regular cherokee

[E36M3]

It was built to be an army vehicle, I hardly think driving through some mud puddles would upset it.

Why have a 4x4 if you can't use it offroad? It seems like it would be a waste to me.


Originally posted by illeagle
^^^^ whoa your crazy, your SUV prolly hates you, What were you thinking? It ain't a Suzuki, j/k Nice ride though

[method]

why buy that expensive of an suv to use 'off road'? seems like a waste to me. the fact of the matter is - it ISNT an army vehicle, and when you get stuck somewhere and have to hop out to get winched, what are you gonna do when it comes time to get back into expensive upholstered car?

'real' offroading = dings, scrapes, chips, and winching yourself out of holes.

I can pedal my bike through puddles. big deal.

I'd rather make a downpayment on a house than buy a 4x4 that has paint worth more than my kidneys.

[E36M3]

I didn't buy it to offroad with, but I offroad with it occasionally for fun. A cheaper vehicle would probably be better because the scrapes and stuff would be less of a worry. I just hose the mats off at the carwash afterwards, getting a little mud on them isn't a big deal. Besides, when you need to get pulled out, you could always stay in the truck. I'm not that worried about a couple of scrapes on an SUV, it isn't a showcar.

You can't peddle your bike through those kind of puddles, that is for sure, and that has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I guess you could walk a 1/4 mile too, but you probably wouldn't beat a Ferrari Enzo.

If you bought an expensive car/suv and didn't already have a house and your finances in order, I'd be worried.. I wouldn't advise it either.



Originally posted by method
why buy that expensive of an suv to use 'off road'? seems like a waste to me. the fact of the matter is - it ISNT an army vehicle, and when you get stuck somewhere and have to hop out to get winched, what are you gonna do when it comes time to get back into expensive upholstered car?

'real' offroading = dings, scrapes, chips, and winching yourself out of holes.

I can pedal my bike through puddles. big deal.

I'd rather make a downpayment on a house than buy a 4x4 that has paint worth more than my kidneys.

[method]

oh right... heaven forbid I would try to take on such FORBIDDING puddles! stay back everyone! only a luxury UAV is qualified to take on this bad boy puddle! if you're 2 feet tall you might drown! whoaaaa nelly!

act now and get your very own viagramobile! only 100 grand!
with this exclusive offer you get: a mediocre street vehicle AND a mediocre off-road vehicle!
but thats not all! phone in the next ten minutes and receive the inflated sense of self esteem experienced by those in GUH GUH GUH GEE UNIIIIT (DUBS sold separately)

[That.Guy.S30]

hey man.. leave the guy alone.. so what if he likes to offroad in his mercydes(sp) as long as hes got the dough to pay for his car.. he can do whatever he wants.. and apparently that AMG holds its ground against the best of offroading vehicles such as the h2 and land rover's..

[dj_honda]

Originally posted by ninspeed
K5 Blazer with a 525

haha exactly what i was gonna say!
way cheaper than 45k. they don't build trucks like they used to. you could do up a decent k5 blazer/jimmy which would basically outdo any current stock 4x4, IF you are serious about off roading.

[Team_Mclaren]

I say the Range Over!!!
With LandRover making SUVs forever, that monster can climb and d pretty much what your asking for. price is little high tho

[Initial-D-Nerd]

There is only one supreme winter mobile...




UNIMOG!!!

[GoodBoy]

Jeep Liberty :)

[method]

Originally posted by Thi_Thi Subs
hey man.. leave the guy alone.. so what if he likes to offroad in his mercydes(sp) as long as hes got the dough to pay for his car.. he can do whatever he wants.. and apparently that AMG holds its ground against the best of offroading vehicles such as the h2 and land rover's..

do you people know ANYTHING about offroading? :rolleyes:

[Alpine Autowerks]

E36m3 ...great have fun it's your machine . and its meant for that stuff.

A friend of mine got tired of keeping his Range Rover between the curbs so he went off-roading @ Mclean creek. Rear shocks tore off and the rear springs poped out. He had to wedge them back in with firewood and an axe. A another friend with a Brit car repair shop says thats typical for the range rover when climbing really large boulders.

but least they don't spit out their side windows like RAV4's do over large diagonal loadings. or ML's which get towed out of Mclean creek area when the all wheel drive system shuts down to protect the brakes from overheating

[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by method


do you people know ANYTHING about offroading? :rolleyes:

no i actaully dont.. please tell us what you think is the ultimate offroad machine..

[lam-boy]

Originally posted by Thi_Thi Subs


no i actaully dont.. please tell us what you think is the ultimate offroad machine..

bigfoot!!

[method]

purpose built trucks/jeeps.

not a rebodied suburban or any of the rest of these yuppie-mobiles.

[Ajay]

Land Rover Range Rover

That thing is the lap of luxury and probably one of the few sport utes that you can actually take off road and have no problems with. I'de agree that the Expedition or the Escalade would do it at all if you went 4x4ing. Those are soccer mom and big blingin machines.

Ranger Rover baby.

[finboy]

Originally posted by Initial-D-Nerd
There is only one supreme winter mobile...




UNIMOG!!!

i'm going to have to agree on this one

[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by method
purpose built trucks/jeeps.

not a rebodied suburban or any of the rest of these yuppie-mobiles.

yes exactly.. but there are SUV's that you can buy off the lot that will have pretty good 4x4 potential. a jeep yj with a lift, 33 inhc tires and a winch will do you good.. but even that will get stuck if your not cautious

[Spenser]

Originally posted by Weapon_R
With all of the SUV's coming out, what is actually a GOOD 4x4? One that is capable of actually going offroading? I hardly doubt a Ford Expedition or Escalade can do well on 4x4 terrain. What's the best stock out of the bunch?

- Under 45k -

The Jeep TJ Rubicon is the most capable 4x4 jeep has ever made, it's crazy, DANA 44s, Tru lock differentials(BOTH DIFFS HAVE AIR LOCKER STOCK!!!!)........4.11.1 transfer case, 4 wheel disc, 4.0l inline 6, actual offroad tires, 5 speed, for under 30 grand, THIS IS THE ULTIMATE FACTORY BUILT OFF ROAD MACHINE,
:thumbsup:

[max_boost]

:drama: Nowhere did E36M3 say his Benz was the King, so what the fuck you hating on method? Waste of money? Post your opinion and lay off the attacks or else feel free to venture along a new forum:clap:

[ole dsm]

i can't understand why some of u guys drive these suv's that cost over 10grand in the mud!
why waste ur money?
or maybe ur not really going off road in the true sence?
so what if u drive down a smooth back counrty road and u hit a puddle .

"UR NOT GOING OFF ROADING OR 4X4ing"

if ur haveing fun thow thats all that matters.

my "personal "vote goes to any of these 4x4's

suzuki samurai- cheap like poo, light weight
early 90's jeep cherokee - cheap solid axles strong engine
mid 80's jeep yj - solid axles , easy to mod
1985 toyota 4 runner- solid axles reliable.

if a person is serious about 4x4, luxuries don't matter , u want some thing that has cheap parts and the parst are easy to aquire , cuz u break them often.

i used to have a very capable yj (1994 8" lift 35" tires dual lockers atlas 4:1 transfercase, 456 gears , winch special front back side rock protection) even with all the stuff u still break things . not little things either, trannies ,diffs., could imagine how much a mercedes diff or tranny would cost ?
and how long it would take to get one?

[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by Spenser


The Jeep TJ Rubicon is the most capable 4x4 jeep has ever made, it's crazy, DANA 44s, Tru lock differentials(BOTH DIFFS HAVE AIR LOCKER STOCK!!!!)........4.11.1 transfer case, 4 wheel disc, 4.0l inline 6, actual offroad tires, 5 speed, for under 30 grand, THIS IS THE ULTIMATE FACTORY BUILT OFF ROAD MACHINE,
:thumbsup:

haha yea thats what i said earlier.. i think they are over 30g's tho considering a tj sahara is around 28

[That.Guy.S30]

ole dsm.. jeeps are hella crz to fix up after you go offroadin.. haha i used to own a 92 yj renegade 3 inch lift 33 inch tires, warn winch, the whole works.. broke a rear diff offroadin with the jeep jamboree haha still drove home and paid a huge ass mother fuckin bill to get that car up and running again..

[ole dsm]

Originally posted by Thi_Thi Subs
ole dsm.. jeeps are hella crz to fix up after you go offroadin.. haha i used to own a 92 yj renegade 3 inch lift 33 inch tires, warn winch, the whole works.. broke a rear diff offroadin with the jeep jamboree haha still drove home and paid a huge ass mother fuckin bill to get that car up and running again..

then ur going to the wrong place!
u must under stand that any major part is going to cost u no matter what, jeeps are not chey's but they are still cheaper then an import of the same vintage.
the best way to get parts is used .
if u have an axle problem get a full used replacement.

[That.Guy.S30]

ye the problem was weapon_r the diff broke, gears were fucked up.. and to me (i am a school student) 2000 is alot of money, to get that all fixed including labour.. whats the piont in gettin used parts when they end up costing you the same in the end?.. i got quotes for both of them

[That.Guy.S30]

so guy have you narrow down you slecetion yet.. all these commments should get a spark right?.. jeep rubicon is the way to go.. or else go with a older 4.0 yj, lift that shit and go have your fun

[Moe Man]

havent you guys very seen jeep comershals*

all i have to say is trail rated

jeep, theres only one:thumbsup:

[ole dsm]

Originally posted by Thi_Thi Subs
ye the problem was weapon_r the diff broke, gears were fucked up.. and to me (i am a school student) 2000 is alot of money, to get that all fixed including labour.. whats the piont in gettin used parts when they end up costing you the same in the end?.. i got quotes for both of them


did u go to a place like modern motors or something cuz 2 grand is way to much!
u can change a diff with basic tools and knowledge , hell i did on my nissan pathfinder .
ur lloking at maybe 300-400 tops for a good used yj diff and maybe 3/4 of a day to change.
if i paid 2 grand i would expect to see a brand new or rebuilt dana44 and a hand job for that price.

u can bring the cost down way down with a lil research.

i would actually say suzuki samurai would be the best , u could do so much with those lil things and they are hella cheap on gas and a quad could pull u out they are so light.

or u could go with a older cherokee like i did .
300,000km and still runs like a champ (better then my talon )
get some used suspension parts
-longer control arms
-dropped track bar bracket
-4cylinder diffs(4.10 gears)
-used tj front coils or desired lift
-lift blocks for the rear or a combo of blocks and add a leaf

new tires and a sye and rear shaft.
all that would come to around 1500 or so.
do it ur self or bring to my shop and save the money for other cool stuff.

[E36M3]

Very few people understand the construction of the G, or that it is still used in active military service. The U.S. marines ordered a few thousand of them this year to replace H1 Hummers because they are too wide to get through a lot of things. It's a fun vehicle -- and certainly a lot more capable than most SUVs out there.

My friend had an experience much like what you are talking about with his Range Rover (not the current generation, but a 1999) when off-roading on his property.. had to have it towed out, and it was really not being abused at all.

The picture I posted was in the backcountry at Mclean Creek, and there is some pretty dicey stuff out there.

The 4x4 system on the ML is not really meant for offroading either, which becomes really obvious when you drive it over wet gravel.


Originally posted by Alpine Autowerks
E36m3 ...great have fun it's your machine . and its meant for that stuff.

A friend of mine got tired of keeping his Range Rover between the curbs so he went off-roading @ Mclean creek. Rear shocks tore off and the rear springs poped out. He had to wedge them back in with firewood and an axe. A another friend with a Brit car repair shop says thats typical for the range rover when climbing really large boulders.

but least they don't spit out their side windows like RAV4's do over large diagonal loadings. or ML's which get towed out of Mclean creek area when the all wheel drive system shuts down to protect the brakes from overheating

[ole dsm]

the G wagon gives u false sence of a good or a real 4x4.
when anyone pays over 50g for a 4x4 they all think what they have is the best.
its comfy , goes fast , three locking drivetrain parts .

but u know what it lacks ?
my buddy clearence and his friend skills.

[E36M3]

I have no idea what you are saying.

If you need more clearance, it is easy as replacing the tires. You can fit 33" tires on the G without suspension modification. The stock setup (in North American anyway) is biased towards road comfort, and is certainly not for mud. In 99% of use, it is appropriate. If you wanted to jump through massive mud puddles, you would want to put big mud tires on it, in which case the clearance issues would be moot.

The point of this thread was to identify SUVs that are good offroad -- certainly not to identify the best offroad vehicle possible. The best off-road vehicle possible would depend on the terrain and the purpose of the competition -- there isn't really an easy all-purpose answer.

If you don't think that the G is a good or "real" 4x4, that is your opinion.


Originally posted by ole dsm
the G wagon gives u false sence of a good or a real 4x4.
when anyone pays over 50g for a 4x4 they all think what they have is the best.
its comfy , goes fast , three locking drivetrain parts .

but u know what it lacks ?
my buddy clearence and his friend skills.

[5.9 R/T]

Too bad this thread is for good SUVs under 45K not 450K. In that price range you're not going to get any better then any model jeep, stock for stock.

[That.Guy.S30]

DSM my jeep was worked on by jeep tech's thats probably why the price was too high.. it was a new diff.. yup i know i got ripped off.. haha the good old days in my jeep.. boy do i miss her..
yo weapon R go buy my jeep.. its for sale at uhh i think its called country auto.. needs some loving but itll do you good if you do bring her offroad.. NO rust on the body, should be aroudn 200 000ks on the orignal 4.0 engine, new throttle body, header, exhaust you name it plus it has a compustar 2 way fm alarm/starter, hard top, soft top.. lift, 33 inch tires.. it should be around 9-10 g's.. oringal renegade interior too!

[method]

if it's all about opinion, then there's no sense in arguing.

I agree with jeep as far as new vehicles. They have unlimited aftermarket and are far more capable stock than anything else on the market.

I just hope this sort of shit doest happen to e36
http://4x4abc.com/G-Class/img/G_flip.jpeg

[mo_virgin]

Hummer... Land Rovers... Land Cruisers...

[/////AMG]

not the Hummer H2 though

[Moe Man]

i read on motortrend SUVs in hell that with some agressive tires a jeep grand cherokee can go anywhere a hummer can go i can pull it out but too lazy

[Spenser]

my lowered civic can goa anywhere.

[turboMiata]

Originally posted by method

I just hope this sort of shit doest happen to e36
http://4x4abc.com/G-Class/img/G_flip.jpeg

I am familiar with the accident in the attached picture. It is a direct result of driver error:


My brain told me: "Get off the brake and give it a little gas to straighten out." My stomach seemed to have a shorter line to my foot on the brake and made it brake harder. This proved only once more that gut feelings and piloting a car do not work well together.

Read about it here.
http://4x4abc.com/G-Class/flip.html

If anyone is not convinced about the G wagon, watch this video

http://www.4x4abc.com/G/clapton.html


As far as the best *STOCK* 4x4, i'd rate in this order:

Jeep Rubicon
G Wagon
Cayenne with the offroad package (frt/ctr/rear lockers, QR rear sways)
LR Defender/Discovery

All are highly capable vehicles, but in the world of wheeling, it's all about the driver, not the rig.

[SchoolN'U]

Originally posted by Spenser


The Jeep TJ Rubicon is the most capable 4x4 jeep has ever made, it's crazy, DANA 44s, Tru lock differentials(BOTH DIFFS HAVE AIR LOCKER STOCK!!!!)........4.11.1 transfer case, 4 wheel disc, 4.0l inline 6, actual offroad tires, 5 speed, for under 30 grand, THIS IS THE ULTIMATE FACTORY BUILT OFF ROAD MACHINE,
:thumbsup:


baaa, for the sticker price its crap. Who really wants to wheel a $30g+ vehicle where you need two lockers, let alone Dana 44s. ? :D

You should look at a Tacoma TRD with electronic locker!

[method]

Originally posted by turboMiata


I am familiar with the accident in the attached picture. It is a direct result of driver error:




most are. vehicles dont tend to flip by themselves :clap:

[E36M3]

Interesting how an elite, world-class level instructor with 16 years experience instructing in the Rubicon says that GWagon is the best off-road vehicle ever made.

He should talk to you.. since you seem to know so much about it.

http://www.4x4abc.com/vehicles/specific_info.html

The Mercedes Geländewagen, "G-Wagon", simply the best 4x4s under the sun, of course with legendary Mercedes style and comfort.




Originally posted by method


most are. vehicles dont tend to flip by themselves :clap:

[RSRT-4]

For Under 45 I would definately go for a Series one Land Rover Discovery, I have never seen a land rover break shocks and pop out the coils unless the guy was tryin to rock climb with a stock land rover

[rogue]

the unimog is the SHIT when it comes to 4x4. It is an unbeatable tank of a truck as a matter of fact the british SAS use it as their workhorse because of its capabilities. Ask me i would take the unimog but it is huge so landrover defender for me.

[E36M3]

I can't imagine driving a Unimog as a personal vehicle, but apparently Mercedes considered marketing them as such.. apparently in Canada they aren't even called Mercedes.

With the ability to ford 31" of water with no problems, they are pretty imposing.. I think they may be a little wide for good recreational offroading though, since they wouldn't make it down most trails :)



Originally posted by rogue
the unimog is the SHIT when it comes to 4x4. It is an unbeatable tank of a truck as a matter of fact the british SAS use it as their workhorse because of its capabilities. Ask me i would take the unimog but it is huge so landrover defender for me.

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by rogue
the unimog is the SHIT when it comes to 4x4. It is an unbeatable tank of a truck as a matter of fact the british SAS use it as their workhorse because of its capabilities. Ask me i would take the unimog but it is huge so landrover defender for me.

Wow - I am a firm believer in the Unimog! That is an unreal machine, i've never seen anything like it.

[method]

yeah I'll bet. No wonder all I ever see out at mac creek is G class mercedes.

seems as though he has some similar comments about jeeps too..

"the grand daddy of all 4x4s"
"is one of the most capable off-road workhorses ever built"

my god, it's the gospel truth!


Buy an overpriced station wagon and then convince yourself it's the best 4x4 on the face of the earth. I'll bet.

[E36M3]

You're clearly a moron.

I can't imagine that the reason that you don't see tons of G Class Mercedes out at mac creek obviously has nothing to do with the fact that they make less than 2000 of them a year or that they are slightly outside of the price range of most of the people that would be out offroading.

Once you finish high school and get a real job, can buy yourself a car, and have an informed opinion, I'll think about talking to you.. until you grow up, though, it is a complete waste of time.

I'm sure your exhaustive knowledge of offroading entertains everyone else in grade 10, but your idiotic comments are out of place here.

You're a dipshit. I never said that what he said was authoritative, only that he clearly knows a hell of a lot more about offroading than you or I.

Have you ever owned a 4x4? Driven one?

Do you have a drivers license that lets you drive a car all by yourself yet?


Originally posted by method
yeah I'll bet. No wonder all I ever see out at mac creek is G class mercedes.

seems as though he has some similar comments about jeeps too..

"the grand daddy of all 4x4s"
"is one of the most capable off-road workhorses ever built"

my god, it's the gospel truth!


Buy an overpriced station wagon and then convince yourself it's the best 4x4 on the face of the earth. I'll bet.

[method]

Originally posted by E36M3
You're clearly a moron.

'that's your opinion"


I can't imagine that the reason that you don't see tons of G Class Mercedes out at mac creek obviously has nothing to do with the fact that they make less than 2000 of them a year or that they are slightly outside of the price range of most of the people that would be out offroading.

or maybe, because anyone that had any sense about them would buy two separate vehicles with 100 grand. perhaps one for off-roading, and one for in town use?


Once you finish high school

too late


and have an informed opinion

too late


it is a complete waste of time.

yet you continue to do it.


I'm sure your exhaustive knowledge of offroading entertains everyone else in grade 10, but your idiotic comments are out of place here.

I'm sure your yuppie-mobile impresses everyone on the internet, but it has no place in this post. was it just an excuse to whore out said automobile? I'm also pretty sure any local highschool would be glad to accept a guest speech on "how to waste 100 grand."


I never said that what he said was authoritative, only that he clearly knows a hell of a lot more about offroading than you or I.

you made a blatent implication. backpeddle all you want.


Driven one?

yes, and when said truck gets stuck in the mud at your knees and you have to winch out, more than your floor mats get dirty. I'm sure if your ultimate 4x4 was there it could have pulled us out. I'm also sure that when you mash the gas, the rotation of the earth is effected as well. I'm sure jesus would drive your car if he was alive.


Do you have a drivers license that lets you drive a car all by yourself yet?

sure do.

typical "the most expensive is the best: end of story" attitude.


you do have one good point though. the purpose of this thread was not to identify the ultimate off road vehicle.
nor was it to argue about the purpose of off road vehicles.
nor was it question buying practices.
nor was it to plug automobiles far out of the price range.

I'll shut up, because I actually kind of feel sorry for the original poster.

[turboMiata]

Originally posted by RSRT-4
For Under 45 I would definately go for a Series one Land Rover Discovery, I have never seen a land rover break shocks and pop out the coils unless the guy was tryin to rock climb with a stock land rover

Actually, its very possible for that to happen. Under heavy articulation, the rear springs can become unseated from the suspension and pop out, even on stock, unlifted rigs.

In fact, it's entirely possible to remove the springs from the truck just by jacking up the car in the right places with the bottle jack and hi-lift. This is the reason why there are cone kits available to keep the rear springs in place.

I do agree that Disco 1s are good vehicles. I think it's a great blend of comfort and offroad capability.

[rice_eater]

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[turboMiata]

more articulation:

http://www.rovertym.com/ourprod/longercones/PIC00012.jpg

[DonJuan]

the best stock offroader? A Jeep TJ Rubicon from Thrifty, locked diffs and big knobby tires, plus it's a rental so if it breaks, it's nopt your problem (as long as you have insurance)

[C4S]

I know it is weird :werd:

But.. I still like Land Rover the best ...

If money is not issue ? of course the Porsche Turbo SUV ! :D

[ninspeed]

We sponsor a guy with a built s-10 with big block power... "White Knight".. late 80's early 90's s-10 with fully custom built frame.... Nothing beats seeing this 650+WHP truck run though a mud hole :D

[ole dsm]

ow ya
white knight is a sweet ass truck!
wolf 359 is another sweet ass 4x4
either of those two trucks would eat any truck and spit them out , if put up to the test of 4x4.

[redline_13000]

Here's a real stock offroader:D

[buh_buh]

BEST 4x4 of all time!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6472&item=2443208104#ebayphotohosting

[2literv8eater]

friends blazer never sees dirt here it is

[2literv8eater]

my blazer in the dirt all the time

[meithkiller]

Here ya go:

Ultimate 4X4 (http://www.fourwheeler.com/roadtests/16558/)

Military usage:
Look here... (http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/289957/6)

Tacoma:
http://www.dfw-tx4wd.org/Photos/2003%20ARchives/2003-05-MayFunRun/Keith/trucks0014.jpg

It's finished... Live With It! :closed:

[2literv8eater]

this would kill that little white truck lol
it has the following:
Detroit Lockers with Precision 5:13 gears front and back.


Still running original rear drive shaft!!


Very well built C6 tranny with 4200 Flash Stall Converter and a manual shift automatic Hurst ratchet shifter


Bored out 460 with hyper eutectic flat top pistons, Victor 460 intake, ported and polished Dove heads with SCJ valves, running a Chevy valve train (as much as Darren hates to admit that there’s Chevy parts on that Ford!)


Stock 460 Crank


NOS cheater system


Cut 44" Ground Hawgs front, 44" SS Boggers rear


780 Holley
700 h.p. with nitrous.

[2literv8eater]

another pic

[2literv8eater]

another

[meithkiller]

Originally posted by 2literv8eater
this would kill that little white truck lol
placed here by meithkiller :bullshit:
it has the following:
Detroit Lockers with Precision 5:13 gears front and back.

Still running original rear drive shaft!!

Very well built C6 tranny with 4200 Flash Stall Converter and a manual shift automatic Hurst ratchet shifter

Bored out 460 with hyper eutectic flat top pistons, Victor 460 intake, ported and polished Dove heads with SCJ valves, running a Chevy valve train (as much as Darren hates to admit that there’s Chevy parts on that Ford!)
Stock 460 Crank

NOS cheater system

Cut 44" Ground Hawgs front, 44" SS Boggers rear

780 Holley
700 h.p. with nitrous.

:drama: Sorry to disappoint...

OK...238,000 and finally changed out the clutch. Total parts changed on Taco in 238,000 miles (many miles off-road) is clutch, starter (claimed by water at the Slabs), header put on in place of exhaust manifold, K&N Filter, locker in the rear and a whole new front diff due to a quick oil change place leaving it dry instead of serviceing it. They serviced me like a bull services a cow. :whipped: I could go on but they will get theirs by somebody someday.

With very little modification I can go where you go and some places you can't, That rig sure looks top heavy but I bet it is good in mud. Besides, the Taco runs just fine without all that xtra stuff that'll break.

Nice truck anyway...

[2literv8eater]

true but i think me k5 will take a takoma :burnout:
look at the flex lol (there is better but show me your actual truck than we will see plus i thinks i have more torq)

[2literv8eater]

opps sry that is your real truck aint it? (white yota)

[5.9 R/T]

Originally posted by meithkiller
Here ya go:

Ultimate 4X4 (http://www.fourwheeler.com/roadtests/16558/)
It's finished... Live With It! :closed:

To bad they didn't test the Rubicon. With locking diffs the TJ would have eaten the Taco for lunch (no pun intended). Smaller, lighter, more manuverable, and better gearing.

"Still, the little TJ did very well overall and actually tied the First-place Toyota in trail performance. However, what cost it valuable points in mechanical judging was the ho-hum performance of its limited slip. Had the TJ come from the factory with a locker, the outcome of our testing might have been different. But it didn’t, so the TJ had to settle for a close Second."

Read: The TJ equaled the Taco on the trail even without the locker.

[2literv8eater]

hey meithkiller post your taco flexing does your truck have stock suspension?

[mrbojangles]

Originally posted by 2literv8eater
my blazer in the dirt all the time

Nice Blazer. Like seeing the full sizes twisted and playing. Plus they have torque and HP which I have none of.

[2literv8eater]

what do you have?

[2literv8eater]

http://wfo.homestead.com/files/beater1.mp3
that is what my truck sounds like (header no cats and glass packs) yea it has a 305:thumbsdow
but it is bored 30 over and k&n air filter so it still has good power :burnout: :burnout:

[mrbojangles]

The 305 sounds nice.

I'm completely stock in the Pathy. It's a gutless V6.

[2literv8eater]

lol it could be worse like a 1993 ford ranger 2.3 liter(4cycl) ext cap lol thats sad:(

[2literv8eater]

cab^^

[meithkiller]

Originally posted by 2literv8eater
opps sry that is your real truck aint it? (white yota)



Originally posted by 2literv8eater
hey meithkiller post your taco flexing does your truck have stock suspension?

I don't really have any good flex pix, but... I agree that an SFA is superior to an IFS. If one were to live with an IFS the Taco's coil over would be the one to live with.


http://www.dfw-tx4wd.org/Photos/2004%20Archives/2003-01-17-BMRA/1067920-R1-025-11.jpg

I'll see what I can dig up.

[2literv8eater]

not bad for a yota ive seen worse

[meithkiller]

Originally posted by 2literv8eater
not bad for a yota ive seen worse

Thanks... I found this, but this is before I made a couple mods to the IFS.

http://www.dfw-tx4wd.org/Photos/2003%20ARchives/2003-09-21-show-and-shine/pics02/keithtoy3.jpg

It does MUCH better than this now...:bigpimp:

[2literv8eater]

was that stock? or did it have a shackel flip?

[meithkiller]

Originally posted by 5.9 R/T


To bad they didn't test the Rubicon. With locking diffs the TJ would have eaten the Taco for lunch (no pun intended). Smaller, lighter, more manuverable, and better gearing.

"...the outcome of our testing might have been different. But it didn’t, so the TJ had to settle for a close Second."

Read: The TJ equaled the Taco on the trail even without the locker.

TJ had the LSD... and the operative word is MIGHT... :)

[meithkiller]

Originally posted by 2literv8eater
was that stock? or did it have a shackel flip?

This is with Procomp 3.5 in. leaf springs rear and an inexpensive RevTek 3 in. spacer lift in the front, swaybar still connected... no other mods... at that time.