Injured At Work: WCB Claim

[dj_rice]

I was recently injured at work on Thursday, notified my employer Thursday and went to chiropractor Thursday afternoon, got X-Rays done on Friday. After exam/electro treatment, chiropractor says he'll be seeing alot of me soon as I have a sprained back. Thursday I was able to walk and move around but in moderate pain. Friday/Saturday morning, try to get out of bed and basically I collapsed as my legs gave out from under me, can't bend over to put on socks/shoes, only way I can walk is holding onto walls/ledges/chairs and even so, its excruiciating jolts throughout my spine/back and legs and I'm walking hunched over like hunchback of Notre dame. My job consists of me sitting in a desk taking sales calls but sitting in long periods of time, I can't get up to walk after so therefore I can't work till I'm fully functional. I have trouble even driving to grocery store, as I can't get out of car well since the back "resets" when I sit down for awhile. Question is, I've already sent my form in on Friday. When do I start getting payments?Do I have to keep track of my hours I missed at work?and how much does WCB pay out?I've read online 90% of net earnings but people have told me 65% of my wages?


Also, my employer is short-staffed at the moment and me getting injured isn't good timing, are they allowed to fire me?Just covering my bases here as this is the first time I've been on WCB and not quite sure whats the process


Also, no I will not be going to WCB downtown and holding people hostage if my claim gets denied :facepalm:

[403ep3]

If they fire you, can't you sue them for wrongful termination..I think that's the right term.

[chkolny541]

Originally posted by 403ep3
If they fire you, can't you sue them for wrongful termination..I think that's the right term.

i imagine it would be tough to prove, they could just say he sucked at his job and the dismissal was unrelated to his injury.

wouldnt it be something similar to the women who get fired while on pregnancy leave, they are basically hooped if they are fired

[speedog]

Hey, like I can personally comment on this as an employer who currently has a very similar situation going on - employee injured at work (back about a month ago).

First off, good on you for being prompt on getting the claim going - sure helps things move along. Also make sure your employer has filed their claim although the WCB people we worked with were quite adept at handling the claim and staying on top of things.

Next up, your employer can't fire you for being injured on the job - certainly would be a wrongful dismissal case although shit like that happens and the worker/employee has to then fight after the fact through their union or labour board/whatever. Being short staffed - doesn't matter. So was my shop and I, as the owner, sucked it up and worked many, many extra hours as well as paid other staff overtime to come in even though I could have paid them straight time per the Alberta Labour code/laws. To me, it was the right thing to do - pay OT to give myself a break.

Most important, stay on top of the whole process - I found the biggest problem/time waster being the interaction between the various doctors and the WCB people. WCB people often could not read what the doctors had written down - ended up with my employee being off work for an extra week because of these kind of misunderstandings.

Also, my employee got paid 90% of their regular wages (paid bi-weekly) although it was a week delayed. As for hours missed, your employer's report will include what your regular schedule is and that is what the WCB works from - if you're working irregular shifts, then I am quite confident that the employer and the WCB people will figure things out. My initial WCB contact for the first three week was quite pleasant to deal with and walked me (as an employer) through everything as this was the first time I had had to deal with WCB as an employer.

[speedog]

Originally posted by chkolny541
i imagine it would be tough to prove, they could just say he sucked at his job and the dismissal was unrelated to his injury.

Gotta disagree on this one - his company would have to show evidence of poor work/not meeting quotas/standards. In my previous 26.5 career of which I spent the last 7 years quite involved as a union rep (shop steward, local vice president, local president), I saw and handled a few wrongful dismissal cases - yeah, companies pull this B.S., but if they haven't got all of their ducks lined up perfectly in a row, then they'll end up getting that fired employee back on staff with that employee getting all of their back wages and often an extra amount on top of that.

Fact of the matter though is that companies do pull these wrongful dismissal stunts, but if you're working in a union shop, then the affected worker has half a fighting chance of getting their job back Biggest problem is that it can easily take over a year to be sucessfull. In a non-union shop, it's most likely a much tougher uphill battle for the worker as Alberta is a notorius anti-labour/anti-worker environment and the worker is pretty much left to their own devices in defending themselves - don't think the Alberta Labour Board would do much for an individual worked in a non-union shop.

IMHO, it's very risky for an employer to dismiss an employee while they're off work due to a work related injury . COsts to the employer can be huge if they're found guilty in a wrongful dismissal case - I was quite actively involved in a case at my previous employer where the employee won their wrongful dismissal case and the award to the employee was almost double what they would have paid that employee to stay off the job on extended sick leave. And that doesn't include the monies spent by the company on lawyers and doctors and lost wages (meetings) as well as a few management types who suddenly left the employ of the company.

[dj_rice]

Originally posted by speedog
Hey, like I can personally comment on this as an employer who currently has a very similar situation going on - employee injured at work (back about a month ago).

First off, good on you for being prompt on getting the claim going - sure helps things move along. Also make sure your employer has filed their claim although the WCB people we worked with were quite adept at handling the claim and staying on top of things.

Next up, your employer can't fire you for being injured on the job - certainly would be a wrongful dismissal case although shit like that happens and the worker/employee has to then fight after the fact through their union or labour board/whatever. Being short staffed - doesn't matter. So was my shop and I, as the owner, sucked it up and worked many, many extra hours as well as paid other staff overtime to come in even though I could have paid them straight time per the Alberta Labour code/laws. To me, it was the right thing to do - pay OT to give myself a break.

Most important, stay on top of the whole process - I found the biggest problem/time waster being the interaction between the various doctors and the WCB people. WCB people often could not read what the doctors had written down - ended up with my employee being off work for an extra week because of these kind of misunderstandings.

Also, my employee got paid 90% of their regular wages (paid bi-weekly) although it was a week delayed. As for hours missed, your employer's report will include what your regular schedule is and that is what the WCB works from - if you're working irregular shifts, then I am quite confident that the employer and the WCB people will figure things out. My initial WCB contact for the first three week was quite pleasant to deal with and walked me (as an employer) through everything as this was the first time I had had to deal with WCB as an employer.


Thanks for all your information, really appreciated.

Heres where things get tricky, I came in on Friday to get WCB forms and talk to my boss and tell him about what the chiropractor said and etc. So he didn't even have any forms, went around to different depts asking for them, finally he printed it off and I started filling it out, then it gets to the Wage Information part, he doesn't know what to fill in, so I take it to Human Resources, they fill in my wages and normal work day stuff, heres where it gets fucked. In the Lost Time/Return to Work Information, they didnt fill anything in cept the first day/time I missed work, everything else they left blank, like the Will/Did You pay the worker while off work?I was reading and my work has the option to still pay my wages and just have WCB pay them?Who decides that?

2nd, after I filled out the forms and gave them to my boss, he told me he can't send it in yet because my company recently split off into 2 separate entities and the week before they had just applied for the WCB policy #?So he said once he finds out the policy # he'll send it in, but doesn't he have 72 hours to send it in after I have reported it?

3rd, once I got home, I just wanted to double check all my info on WCB website and found out, the form I was filling in at work, was a EMPLOYERS REPORT of Injury, and saw that I have to fill out my own WORKERS REPORT of Injury.....so basically, the form my boss was supposed to fill out, I filled out with my own words of what happened and etc, is this going to screw up my claim?I guess this was his first time dealing with WCB so :dunno:, I already sent my report on Friday online

[speedog]

First up, your employer could have just gone to WCB's web site for their forms - that's what I did.

Next up, the employer decides how the employee gets paid - I decided to let WCB pay my employee directly because it was way less red tape for me.

Next, the WCB policy # story, doesn't wash with me even if the company split - WCB only needed to know my company's name. Certainly, the WCB never asked for my policy # and I honestly couldn't have given it to them on short notice as that is just not something I keep handy - my company's name was all the WCB people needed and that should be no different in your case. WCB will still handle the claim and will deal with the additonal red tape on the side. Sounds like pure B.S. to me and yes, there is a 72 hour window for the employer to file their WCB employer's report.

Finally, you filling out the wrong form - be honest with the WCB people you're dealing with. Filling out the wrong form shouldn't be a deal breaker here - my advice, keep in contact with the WCB people and try to get either their 1-800 number or their Calgary extension number, will save you some long distance calls.

[speedog]

WCB Alberta Employer's report - link (http://www.wcb.ab.ca/pdfs/employers/c040_instn.pdf).

WCB Alberta Worker's report - link (http://www.wcb.ab.ca/pdfs/workers/c060_with_instructions.pdf).

[dj_rice]

Thanks for all the info speedog, much needed reassurance, I have another appt with chiropractor Monday and should be getting my X-ray results then, so I'll know how long I'll be outta commission then, I assume once I found out, I have to tell my employer?And will my chiropractor send my results to WCB or is that my responsibility?

[all-hearts]

Contact WCB at 403-517-6000 and ask for the name and contact info of the adjudicator that is assigned to your claim. They will walk you through the process if they haven't contacted you already.

As for wage inforrmation, your employer has the option to pay or or have WCB pay you. It's up to your employer. If your employer pays, then WCB will reimburse them.

Any time you see a health care provider for a WCB claim, they are legally required to submit that info into WCB but it's in your best interest to let your employer know as well. You should be following up with your doctor every two weeks until you are fully recovered.

Good luck and let me know if you have any questions.

[speedog]

Your communications only have to be with the WCB although I would suggest keeping an open line of cummunication with your employer - just make sure what you're telling WCB matches what you're telling your employer and vice-versa. Your chiropractor is responsible for sending your results into WCB although you keeping on top of things with WCB is a good idea.

[dj_rice]

Will WCB reimburse me my $65 chiropractor intial exam fee and I also bought some back ThermaCare heat packs and a bottle of Tylenol Extra Strength because of this?

[D. Dub]

Go to a REAL doctor ASAP -- I would guess a chiropractor's opinion means nothing in a case like this!!!

[dj_rice]

Originally posted by D. Dub
Go to a REAL doctor ASAP -- I would guess a chiropractor's opinion means nothing in a case like this!!!


:dunno: I would of thought a chiropractors assessment would of been more precise than a medical doctor no?

[speedog]

Originally posted by dj_rice
Will WCB reimburse me my $65 chiropractor intial exam fee and I also bought some back ThermaCare heat packs and a bottle of Tylenol Extra Strength because of this?
Dunno - these questions can only be answered by the WCB folks.

[D. Dub]

Originally posted by dj_rice



:dunno: I would of thought a chiropractors assessment would of been more precise than a medical doctor no?

no

[AndyL]

No, need to see a doctor - go to a clinic asap; that's where the return to work etc dates start coming from... They'll cover chiropractor, and reimburse you - but you're probably going to get told you need to go to one who will direct bill...

Get your arse to a doctor, fill out the forms & get in touch with WCB on Monday at 8am - being proactive is good when it comes to WCB... If you can - definitely see if you can get into Millard health for physio/treatment (great place - at least IMHO) since you're in edmonton... Really nice when you can literally walk out of physio into a doctor/surgeon appointment (or walk in if physio went badly), then over to your case worker - all without having to leave the building... Keeps things moving along very quickly!

Basics you need to know - do what they ask, don't argue with your case worker... If you're getting infuriated (and you will) just tell him/her you're getting upset, you'll call back in a few when you've calmed down. The hoops get annoying, the process is ridiculous - but their job is to get you back to work ASAP - let them do their job... Just make it clear you want to be back to work ASAP and everything will be good...

It's 90% of income - however kiss any OT goodbye; they only pay based on 40hrs/week...

[dj_rice]

Originally posted by AndyL
No, need to see a doctor - go to a clinic asap; that's where the return to work etc dates start coming from... They'll cover chiropractor, and reimburse you - but you're probably going to get told you need to go to one who will direct bill...

Get your arse to a doctor, fill out the forms & get in touch with WCB on Monday at 8am - being proactive is good when it comes to WCB... If you can - definitely see if you can get into Millard health for physio/treatment (great place - at least IMHO) since you're in edmonton... Really nice when you can literally walk out of physio into a doctor/surgeon appointment (or walk in if physio went badly), then over to your case worker - all without having to leave the building... Keeps things moving along very quickly!

Basics you need to know - do what they ask, don't argue with your case worker... If you're getting infuriated (and you will) just tell him/her you're getting upset, you'll call back in a few when you've calmed down. The hoops get annoying, the process is ridiculous - but their job is to get you back to work ASAP - let them do their job... Just make it clear you want to be back to work ASAP and everything will be good...

It's 90% of income - however kiss any OT goodbye; they only pay based on 40hrs/week...


I am so lost...first I went to a Perfect Health Chiropractic Centre in Edmonton, and on the window it says WCB Claims welcome?After my assessment he said I have sprained back and said he'd send my WCB papers in?How come I have to go see a doctor now?

[speedog]

Talk to WCB on Monday. You will have to see your doctor (like AndyL posted) and probably also another doctor (back specialist) that WCB will set up for you. My employee also had physiotherapy and the physiotherapist sent in their results to WCB as well.

[AndyL]

Originally posted by dj_rice

I am so lost...first I went to a Perfect Health Chiropractic Centre in Edmonton, and on the window it says WCB Claims welcome?After my assessment he said I have sprained back and said he'd send my WCB papers in?How come I have to go see a doctor now?

Learn this and quick... Don't ask why... Just do it... You'll be seeing your GP/Physician weekly until your claim is settled - suck it up and deal with it. Nothing happens without a doctors report.

Plus - there is this theory... Not all chiropractors are reputable... There's been more than a few lawsuits over people hurting their back, going to a back-cracker, then ending up paralyzed (as they had crushed/broken/dislocated vertebrae). They don't care what the chiro says - they want the physicians report saying you can go see a chiro...

Unfortunately - it's sad but true, don't think about how things should work... Just follow the directions, if you don't - this wont go well for you...

I learned the hard way my first time - I didn't follow directions; I thought for myself - and treatment took forever... Second time around - would have been back at work in under a month if it wasn't for the hack who did the first surgery (and thankfully that surgeon's retirement).

[dj_rice]

Originally posted by AndyL


Learn this and quick... Don't ask why... Just do it... You'll be seeing your GP/Physician weekly until your claim is settled - suck it up and deal with it. Nothing happens without a doctors report.

Plus - there is this theory... Not all chiropractors are reputable... There's been more than a few lawsuits over people hurting their back, going to a back-cracker, then ending up paralyzed (as they had crushed/broken/dislocated vertebrae). They don't care what the chiro says - they want the physicians report saying you can go see a chiro...

Unfortunately - it's sad but true, don't think about how things should work... Just follow the directions, if you don't - this wont go well for you...

I learned the hard way my first time - I didn't follow directions; I thought for myself - and treatment took forever... Second time around - would have been back at work in under a month if it wasn't for the hack who did the first surgery (and thankfully that surgeon's retirement).


I'm not questioning what your saying, I'm just confused as I just moved to Edmonton so I don't have a doctor/clinic yet, I'll still go see a doctor otherwise based on what you said, just trying to clarify as on the WCB website, it just says report to employer, report to WCB and whoever the physician was that treated you has to report to WCB but thanks for all the info, I'll just talk to WCB on Monday and see what they advise and etc.

And reason why I went to chiropractor first was, went to Medi-Centre since I don't have a doctor, there was 30-40 people in the waiting room, Chiropractor was next door and empty so thought it was a good choice but I guess not?

[AndyL]

Wouldn't worry too much about it - just explain it... Definitely tell them you don't have a GP in town (they'll probably find you one, or send you to a staff physician); they had me seeing a staff physician for the 2 months I was at Millard.

Basically they're covering their a$$ - first step is always a physician, then what he says goes from there...

Don't stress about it, really isn't as bad as it seems... Just keep your temper, do as asked - and let them do their job (no matter how ridiculous it seems). You'll find your adjudicator then case worker are just trying to get you fixed up quick (rumor mill at millard said they're rewarded for it - if they're averaging shorter periods to claim settlement than average - they get bonuses) You'll see it when you're 'waiting' for an MRI / specialist - your wait wont be very long (think hours) - but may involve travel).

[SScott]

How did you get so injured working at a desk buddy?

Sounds like a shitty situation but luckily for you a lot of good advice is in this thread.

Hope you get better soon and everything falls into place so you can keep this kind of stress out of your recovery..

[dj_rice]

Originally posted by SScott
How did you get so injured working at a desk buddy?

Sounds like a shitty situation but luckily for you a lot of good advice is in this thread.

Hope you get better soon and everything falls into place so you can keep this kind of stress out of your recovery..


I didnt get injured sitting at my desk, I got injured lifting boxes of rims onto a truck, and yeah I didn't want to go through this, I'd go back to work if I could right now but thats physically impossible since my back/spine feels like its paralyzed and its hard to explain since its a weird injury also, I'm more worried about them taking care of my recovery and making my back better than them taking care of my wages lost

[kolumbo69]

So I torqued by knee in June, list of my experiences so that I got payed

1: See a Dr. ASAP even if it's a walk in Dr's are the only people who can testify as a Medical Doctor in court even if they are stupid balls

2: Dont wait for a clinic, work anybody to send in your claim info at the end of the day WCB doesnt care and its your responsibility, WCB will hound your employer and DR to get more info. You must do everything that pertains to you.

3: Your job is not guaranteed by WCB to be returned to you if your injury is long term they do not have to give your job back. As this happend in my case and WCB wash's there hands of it once you are deemed healthy to work.

[AndyL]

kolumbo69 just reminded me of the most important thing... If you're on wcb's payroll - you are their b*tch... Never say you can't make an appointment / you have plans etc.

No your jobs not guaranteed; nor is your recovery... Works both ways...

[Ven]

WCB does not recognize chiropractors as real doctors. You must see a real doctor right away and return frequently for re-evaluations and updates.

You will be paid 90% of you current average earnings during the time of your treatment(s).

Treatment will be about 2 hours a day 5 days a week with an MD, a physio-therapist, and a kinesiologist. You'll be doing various stretches, postures, exercises. It will help, trust me. Attitude is a huge factor. If you miss appointments, bullshit your way through the program, are rude or don't do your homework, they can tell and will cut you off early. If you're serious about it, give a damn and listen to what they say you'll get an extension of up to 12 weeks.

You stand a good possibility of getting layed off. If that happens and you've been an model client so far you'll be offered an employment assistance program for about 6 weeks more. Again, if you're a good guy and hold up your end of the bargain you can get up to another 12 weeks. Attitude is everything. The people who will be helping you deal with system sucking deadbeats all the time, so if you're a good guy they'll treat you like gold, if not then they'll toss you like garbage.

How you interact with everyone you come into contact with is documented and remembered. Treat people well and you'll be taken care of well. If later in life you need help again by these guys they'll look at your old report which will dictate how you can be expected to be treated.

Be careful of other people being treated there. Lots are deadbeats and have poisonous attitudes and mentalities. Just focus on your recovery and hold up your end and get well.

Did I mention attitude is everything?

Good Luck.

[Weapon_R]

You can certainly be dismissed from your job for no reason. If your employer gives you notice or pay in lieu thereof, they can essentially lay you off without giving you any reason or explanation for your dismissal, so expect that if your employer is shortstaffed.

As for going to a Chiropractor, you are probably doing more worse than good. Going to a Chiropractor for medical care is like taking Flintstone vitamins to treat AIDs.

[chkolny541]

Originally posted by Weapon_R
You can certainly be dismissed from your job for no reason. If your employer gives you notice or pay in lieu thereof, they can essentially lay you off without giving you any reason or explanation for your dismissal, so expect that if your employer is shortstaffed.



, my thoughts exactly. especially if your without union, i dont see the company giving you the boot as a very tough decision for them. They can lay you off/fire you and the odds of getting any sort of a wrongful dismissal case to go in your favor would take a very long time and be very surprising if you win. A company can litteraly fire you over ANY even slightly relevant reason,

[ipeefreely]

Originally posted by Weapon_R
Going to a Chiropractor for medical care is like taking Flintstone vitamins to treat AIDs.

:rofl: :rofl:

Everyone I know who go to a Chiropractor has to constantly go to them to get "fixed" every few weeks... great money maker! :facepalm:

[AndyL]

Originally posted by chkolny541


, my thoughts exactly. especially if your without union, i dont see the company giving you the boot as a very tough decision for them. They can lay you off/fire you and the odds of getting any sort of a wrongful dismissal case to go in your favor would take a very long time and be very surprising if you win. A company can litteraly fire you over ANY even slightly relevant reason,
99% of companies will take an injured employee back; yes there's always extenuating circumstances - and if you're off for an extended period; well that just makes things worse. Of course those employees with bad attitudes/poor production/etc - well; they might not have a good outcome...

A lot of companies will find alternate work for you; it's a lot better on the wcb rates to pay you to do little/nothing than it is to take a LT injury. Ever wonder about those 1,000,000 hour LTI free signs up in Mcmurray - yet you hear about guys falling from pipe racks breaking backs and everything else? Well they get delivered a cellphone to their hospital room - their job is to answer the phone if it rings (usually the only person given the # is wcb). Thus it's not a LTI - just an injury; they keep paying wages, employee keeps employed - and most importantly wcb rates and LTI stats aren't affected.

[dj_rice]

I'll be going to see a doctor again on Monday thanks to all your guys advice and suggestions, I'm sure I won't get fired as I've been with the company for awhile now and a standup employee, never missed a day of work/called in sick since I've started there cept for this injury and I'm sure at most, I'll be out of work for 2-3 weeks hopefully.

I might have to get all my X-Ray stuff straightened out again as I'm not sure where it got sent to cuz when I got them done Friday, there was no information about who sent me or where it was getting sent to really..


Hopefully its not too packed at the Medi-Centre 2morrow morning

[dj_rice]

Thanks for all the help guys


Went to the Hermitage Medi-Centre this morning at 8am, packed with 40 people already in line, went to Belmont Medi-Centre, 20ish people waiting in line outside already so I waited 2 hours and finally got looked at, got my Physician Report and doctor told me I should go to work next week and be on sedantary duties. Dunno if I'll be all healed by then but we'll see. Got a appt on Wednesday with a family doctor, no more Medi-Centre crap, its ridiculous the wait times and how packed it is.


Doctor prescribed me Tylenol 3, Novo-Naprox, and Ratio-Cyclobenzaprine, I'll be in lala land soon with the 2 T3's I took

[speedog]

Lala land on just 2 T3's - you should've had my mix when I broke my back almost 3 years ago. 2 T3's, 600mg Ibuprofen and 2 Percocets every 4-6 hours for 2 weeks - broke my back on December 23rd and really don't remember much of that year's XMAS season. Interestingly enough, when I was in the hospital, 2 shots of morphine didn't cut the pain - it was the aforementioned mix that got me up and walking.

[D. Dub]

Originally posted by dj_rice
I'll be going to see a doctor again on Monday thanks to all your guys advice and suggestions, ........

Good luck

[dj_rice]

Originally posted by speedog
Lala land on just 2 T3's - you should've had my mix when I broke my back almost 3 years ago. 2 T3's, 600mg Ibuprofen and 2 Percocets every 4-6 hours for 2 weeks - broke my back on December 23rd and really don't remember much of that year's XMAS season. Interestingly enough, when I was in the hospital, 2 shots of morphine didn't cut the pain - it was the aforementioned mix that got me up and walking.

I need that mix cause I've been stuck on my bed for 2 hours now, I tried to roll out of bed to take a piss, braced myself to stand up and managed to stand up for 1 secs before collapsing from the shooting pains in my tailbone....this is messed up, I dunno how that walk in doctor says I'm able to work by next week

[AndyL]

Give it time... Back injuries are the worst - luckily if you chill and relax they usually settle down in a few days...

Just watch the pain killers; especially the perc's etc - if you're needing something better than T3s - there are T4's, or tramacet is another good one (try to avoid the percocets and oxycontin/etc - too addictive) a anti-inflammatory should be in the mix (celebrex or voltaren etc - there's thousands).

Watch out for filling class 3 narcotics, 3 scripts in a week from more than 1 doctor = lots of questions; and can result in a police officer knocking at the door (luckily for me - I was home alone in a zimmer splint (that couldn't even be closed proper due to swelling) - he took one look at me and said "well that answers that question".

Highly recommend when you see a doctor - tell them specifically you don't want percocet/oxycontin/etc; automatically takes you out of the "drug seeker" class - and they'll help you find something that works better...

[dj_rice]

Originally posted by AndyL
Give it time... Back injuries are the worst - luckily if you chill and relax they usually settle down in a few days...

Just watch the pain killers; especially the perc's etc - if you're needing something better than T3s - there are T4's, or tramacet is another good one (try to avoid the percocets and oxycontin/etc - too addictive) a anti-inflammatory should be in the mix (celebrex or voltaren etc - there's thousands).

Watch out for filling class 3 narcotics, 3 scripts in a week from more than 1 doctor = lots of questions; and can result in a police officer knocking at the door (luckily for me - I was home alone in a zimmer splint (that couldn't even be closed proper due to swelling) - he took one look at me and said "well that answers that question".

Highly recommend when you see a doctor - tell them specifically you don't want percocet/oxycontin/etc; automatically takes you out of the "drug seeker" class - and they'll help you find something that works better...


Since I'm pretty much paralyzed from the legs down, I guess I'm pissing in a cup, and how long does T3 and meds in general take to kick in?I took it at 6pm, and dont feel anything yet, I hope those muscle relaxers kick in cuz I gotta take a shit soon

[AndyL]

My .02 - try a pill every 2 hours, keeps a more consistant level (T3's are not time release). And if your a bit bigger than a 98lb weakling, you can get away with a little more than two... But you shouldn't listen to me :P I'm not a doctor - but i stayed at a holiday inn express once...

Yeah - btw anything you read above will kill your liver in short order... Just google it - you'll see...

[Ven]

Ibuprofen based drugs worked worlds better for me. Ibuprofen is an anti-inflammatory and pain killer. T3's did NOTHING but make me tired. I know where you're at, there was a few times I didn't think I'd make it to the toilet. Just changing positions in bed, let alone trying to get out, were seriously painful challenges.

[dj_rice]

Originally posted by Ven
Ibuprofen based drugs worked worlds better for me. Ibuprofen is an anti-inflammatory and pain killer. T3's did NOTHING but make me tired. I know where you're at, there was a few times I didn't think I'd make it to the toilet. Just changing positions in bed, let alone trying to get out, were seriously painful challenges.


I'm feeling kinda woozy right now, I added 2 Ibuprofen along with 2 Costco Back/Pain Relief tabs, each tab has 500MG of acetaminophen, along with the 2 T3's I took @ 300MG each, thats 1600MGs of Acetaminophen, I was on Wiki and the daily limit is 4000MGs?

[Criticull]

^ Watch your liver and kidneys bro. It could just be the codeine in the T3s that is responsible for nausea, they tend to do that. Wrt to daily maxes, you should be fine, just try and spread it out over the day. Then again, I am not a doctor.

[01RedDX]

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[Ven]

Don't worry about your liver or kidneys, it takes YEARS of high level abuse to do damage that isn't reversible. I've had that conversation with many doctors since my injury and taking 4000mg was no big deal to any of them.

I'm not sure whats in the Costco pills but you'll have good success with something like Robax Platinum which has Methocarbamol in it. It's all OTC at any pharmacy. Pain killers only won't relax the muscles or get the swelling under control.

You have pain and inflammation from the initial tissue injury which your body responds to with a clamping of muscles around that area to provide protection, a totally normal body reaction to injury. But now your muscles have been on overtime for so long they're starting to get inflamed which creates more pain. Now your in this crippled cycle. Relax the muscles (Methocarbamol) and mediate the pain and pull down the swelling (Ibuprofen).

[dj_rice]

Originally posted by Ven
Don't worry about your liver or kidneys, it takes YEARS of high level abuse to do damage that isn't reversible. I've had that conversation with many doctors since my injury and taking 4000mg was no big deal to any of them.

I'm not sure whats in the Costco pills but you'll have good success with something like Robax Platinum which has Methocarbamol in it. It's all OTC at any pharmacy. Pain killers only won't relax the muscles or get the swelling under control.

You have pain and inflammation from the initial tissue injury which your body responds to with a clamping of muscles around that area to provide protection, a totally normal body reaction to injury. But now your muscles have been on overtime for so long they're starting to get inflamed which creates more pain. Now your in this crippled cycle. Relax the muscles (Methocarbamol) and mediate the pain and pull down the swelling (Ibuprofen).



Thanks so much for this informative post, I didnt understand why some days I can walk crippled okay but others days I could not even get up on my feet before collapsing cuz the back was stiff and spasming like crazy, and yeah the Costco Back Pain Relief has 400MG of Methocarbamol and 500MG of Acetaphomin. That combo I took in the morning was pretty strong and I passed out til now but I'm gonna cut down on the Acetaphomin from all the liver damage googling I did

[scboss]

yo i had the same thing happen to me, all i gotta say is try not to take meds and go to physio. Stay far away from the chiropractor!!!! it will make your back feel better but it will never be long lasting. I was off work for 5 mnths cuz my lumbar joint was messed up and all i did was lay around in pain. As soon as I started stretching and walking daily it was better in no time.