rx-8 or 350z?? [Archive] - Beyond.ca - Car Forums - Automotive Enthusiasts Community

benyl

11-18-2003, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by Ashkente
Have you seen the RX-8 dyno sheet? :rofl:

I think that thing is lucky to have 150-170 horses at the wheels...:banghead: :banghead:

04blackMAX

11-18-2003, 09:39 PM

id even rape the rx8 in my maxima

PGTze

11-18-2003, 09:58 PM

Until mazdaspeed gets a hold of the RX8 and turbocharges it, the 350Z wins hands down. At least it looks pretty :dunno:.

GTS Jeff

11-18-2003, 10:04 PM

lol, i win!!

the z is way more powerful, but im sure the rx8 could outhandle it.

pinoyhero

11-18-2003, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
lol, i win!!

the z is way more powerful, but im sure the rx8 could outhandle it.

When its that lop sided I don't think handling matters.

GTS Jeff

11-18-2003, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by pinoyhero

When its that lop sided I don't think handling matters. well it depends what sort of racing the cars are being put thru...

Maxt

11-18-2003, 10:16 PM

In a straight line the rx-8 is slower than molasses, however in every car rag I have read, they do talk about the handling, and in timed comparison on slalom etc etc, the '8 does outperform the 350z and few other notable sport sedans..
I would buy neither, there are older cars half the price that would lay a beating on both of these....Maxt

04blackMAX

11-18-2003, 10:19 PM

what car can u get that will beat the 350 that costs 25k???

sandman

11-18-2003, 10:32 PM

a good condition 300ZX TT, w/ jus 3 grand invested u hav a 400 hp @ th crank, ish vehicle

buh_buh

11-18-2003, 10:49 PM

Well if I bought a $1000 civic and invested $24k I bet it would outhandle + out drag any of those cars.

Some people buy cars NOT purely for performance.

Moonracer

11-18-2003, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by buh_buh
Well if I bought a $1000 civic and invested $24k I bet it would outhandle + out drag any of those cars.

Some people buy cars NOT purely for performance.

Well said! :D

sandman

11-18-2003, 11:34 PM

tru
but a Z32 is not jus pure performance
looks ok IMO too

an SW20 could b a possible candidate, 25 grand plus cost of car u could hav a pretty crazy one to rival the Z33, not that theres anything wrong w/ it, i love the car

C4S

11-19-2003, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by diesel_boy
which one do u guys think will win.. had an argument about it today in school i myself say rx-8 what do u guys think..

What do u mean "win" ? for speed and handling, 350Z for lower price, Rx8

For look .. depends .. I like both, but will vote for 350Z

For more doors Rx-8 ..:D

MK3HKS

11-19-2003, 01:06 AM

hahhahaahaaha....this argument was between me and diesel_boy

i told him the 350z will rape it in 1/4 mile, BUT he didnt believe me
:rofl: :rofl:

rx8 is overated in my opinion:dunno:

btw:diesiel boy.........go look at some of the engine specs on these cars:thumbsup:

C4S

11-19-2003, 01:10 AM

1/4 mile ? not a chance for Rx-8 ! 350Z rocks ! but for $7,000 less, RX-8 is a bargain sports "sedan" :thumbsup:

Moonracer

11-19-2003, 01:10 AM

Specs

350Z (http://www.supercars.net/garages/Moonracer/24v2.html)

RX-8 (http://www.supercars.net/garages/Moonracer/133v2.html)

1.8L

11-19-2003, 01:10 AM

350z all the way.

Primer_Drift

11-19-2003, 02:51 AM

wooo numbers lie! 287hp 350z my ass.. try 228hp
Whats the Rx8 making? 238 vs 180 whp? So mazda embelished a bit more. I heard they had to lower the cars official HP rating after a few angry owners complained.

http://www.injen.com/webpages/testing/original_files/RD1985.gif

buh_buh

11-19-2003, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by Primer_Drift
wooo numbers lie! 287hp 350z my ass.. try 228hp
Whats the Rx8 making? 238 vs 180 whp? So mazda embelished a bit more. I heard they had to lower the cars official HP rating after a few angry owners complained.

Actually those numbers are pretty accurate for the 350z. 287hp translates to about 238whp (assuming 17% drivetrain loss). whp does not equal flywheel hp.

benyl

11-19-2003, 10:21 AM

According to the numbers I saw for a dyno, the RX-8 is either even less horsepower than the retraction or has a very sloppy drivetrain. It was in the neighborhood of 20-25% loss to the wheels. Some autotragics don't have that much loss.

Mikko

11-19-2003, 11:12 AM

Don't care about a few hp here and there, I'm not really good enough to take advantage of it all anyway.

350z looks like shit. RX8 wins in the "not looking stupid" contest. And it is far lighter. I'm betting it would be much more fun to drive. More exciting too with that high-revving engine.

As for which would win, err, not exactly a lot of specifications here. Win the Mikkow beauty contest? well, Rx8.. mua har har.

DonJuan

11-19-2003, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Mikko
Don't care about a few hp here and there, I'm not really good enough to take advantage of it all anyway.

350z looks like shit. RX8 wins in the "not looking stupid" contest. And it is far lighter. I'm betting it would be much more fun to drive. More exciting too with that high-revving engine.

If the Mazda's high revving engine is exciting then enjoy the 9000 RPM redline while reading the licence plate of the 350z. :whocares: It's all about the speed. And as far as the looks go I admit the front of the 350z isn't as nice as it's G35C twin but the back end is nice and that's all that anyone will see anyway.

C4S

11-19-2003, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Mikko

350z looks like shit. RX8 wins in the "not looking stupid" contest. And it is far lighter. I'm betting it would be much more fun to drive. More exciting too with that high-revving engine.

As for which would win, err, not exactly a lot of specifications here. Win the Mikkow beauty contest? well, Rx8.. mua har har.

Looks like shit ? can someone give me some shit then ? :nut:
Lighter is more fun to drive ? I dont' see my 83 honda is fun to drive ! :werd: it is even way lighter then a Rx-8 or 350Z ! :dunno:

Mikko

11-19-2003, 12:45 PM

the Mazda's high revving engine is exciting then enjoy the 9000 RPM redline while reading the licence plate of the 350z. It's all about the speed.
Thanks, I would love to. ;) Although I doubt I would ever participate in any kind of drag racing to begin with.

It's all about the speed.
For me, I think fun to drive cars are more interesting than faster cars. Fast is more fun usually, but many other things are more important, such as ergonomics, steering feel, balance, blabla. Annnd it isn't necessarily quicker in every place either.

Looks like shit ? can someone give me some shit then Oh yes, let me see what I can pull out of my.. no wait, that's nasty. :tongue:

buh_buh

11-19-2003, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Mikko
350z looks like shit. RX8 wins in the "not looking stupid" contest. I think looks are pretty subjective. I personally prefer the looks of the 350z over the RX-8.

Mikko

11-19-2003, 12:58 PM

I think looks are pretty subjective.
You don't need to think it - it is a fact. :)

Lighter is more fun to drive ? I dont' see my 83 honda is fun to drive ! it is even way lighter then a Rx-8 or 350Z !
It has other things to make it less fun to drive than these cars.

Try say.. a Mercedes SL55 (ironically SL stands for Sport & Light. LOL.. the thing weighs like a nasty SUV) versus a Mini-Cooper S on some fun roads and we shall see which is more enjoyable. :)

C4S

11-19-2003, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Mikko

It has other things to make it less fun to drive than these cars.

Try say.. a Mercedes SL55 (ironically SL stands for Sport & Light. LOL.. the thing weighs like a nasty SUV) versus a Mini-Cooper S on some fun roads and we shall see which is more enjoyable. :)

In Fact, why MINI COOPER S is fun to drive (rated the second best car in the world, by CARS) is not because they are just light, (one reason too) they are actually HEAVY for their size, so many magazines rated is it "too heavy for the size" however, many other factor made it "Fun to drive".

Another great example is M5 is super heavy, but why everyone rated it the best sport sedan ?

Again, no offence, but weight is just one of the many factors.:)
P.S. nice to have both SL55 and Cooper S ! then forget about 350Z or Rx 8 ! ha ha .. :zzz:
Sorry for off topic.

sputnik

11-19-2003, 02:57 PM

the RX-8 is FUGLY

mo_virgin

11-19-2003, 05:05 PM

Soooo... is there a Rx-7 on the concept board?

GTS Jeff

11-19-2003, 06:42 PM

haha shut up mikko, uve driven neither. remember, MAGAZINES dont make u experienced!!

i think the 350z is a fun car to drive. it is quite a big car, but it still feels very quick and solid thru turns, like a bmw.

ive never driven an rx8 tho.

Mikko

11-20-2003, 02:31 AM

What does that matter, Jeff? I'm not good enough to tell by driving both anyway, and neither are, probably, most people who try both.

Mikko

11-20-2003, 02:33 AM

Might be heavy for it's size, but it is still light. Does the mini not slalom faster than Porsche 911 Turbo?

Weight makes a huge difference in how they feel like to drive.

GTS Jeff

11-20-2003, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by Mikko
What does that matter, Jeff? I'm not good enough to tell by driving both anyway, and neither are, probably, most people who try both. so u are saying that personal experience with driving a car means less than reading a magazine about it?

5.9 R/T

11-20-2003, 02:58 AM

RX8 blows. I'd sooner get an RSX-s then this POS. Give me a turbo on this overrated engine or go home.
350 has gobs of tq and still a fairly high redline considering it's displacement. Best sounding 6 i've heard in a long while, minus maybe a GN. Still rather have a g35c tho.

Mikko

11-20-2003, 04:15 AM

so u are saying that personal experience with driving a car means less than reading a magazine about it?

When talking about performance on the limit and comparisions with other similar vehicles, HELL YES. I'm not pretending to be some kind of elite driver who can just sample a car, drive it at the very limit, then go on to the next car.

People think too highly of their abilities to drive cars to the limits. Especially after 'test drivers' of buddies cars or whatever.

Many testers are ex-race car drivers, and damned good ones.

Maxt

11-20-2003, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by buh_buh
Well if I bought a $1000 civic and invested $24k I bet it would outhandle + out drag any of those cars.

Some people buy cars NOT purely for performance.
However the reading the question again will reveal to you " which one will win".... In this case its about performance..maxt

DonJuan

11-20-2003, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by Mikko

Thanks, I would love to. ;) Although I doubt I would ever participate in any kind of drag racing to begin with.

Who says only in drag racing? plain old brute force is useful and tough to beat in curcit racing as well (Viper in whatever type of racing the C5-R is in as well as 911 turbos (supercar?))

The RX8 is nimble and everything, the Renesis is a great engine as well (rotary is sweet) but until that is producing at least 225 hp and simmilar tourque it won't be fair game for the 350z. It's at best a 4 door sports car for the masses: easy to drive and enough power to keep a NOVICE driver well occupied and ENTERTAINED. ooooo look 9000 RPM yay!!! your still in last place though.

buh_buh

11-20-2003, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Maxt

However the reading the question again will reveal to you " which one will win".... In this case its about performance..maxt I agree, hence the Civic example.

hjr

11-20-2003, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by DonJuan
(Viper in whatever type of racing the C5-R is in as well as 911 turbos (supercar?))
ALMS (American Le Mans Series) but the 911 arnt turbo's. they are gt3's. The viper and corvette (C5-R) are in the GT-S class and the porsche is in the GT class.

nosegrindR

11-20-2003, 02:17 PM

dyno charts embarassed the rx8, 350 all the way

Dahero

11-21-2003, 03:21 PM

is this a joke

obviously the 350z all the way

A_3

11-21-2003, 03:52 PM

350z, no question, amazing cars

DonJuan

11-23-2003, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by hjr
ALMS (American Le Mans Series) but the 911 arnt turbo's. they are gt3's. The viper and corvette (C5-R) are in the GT-S class and the porsche is in the GT class.
Oh ok... so I my example is completley wrong but I see everyone but mikko is agreeing in this one sided thread. I guess it is true what they say: "There arn't any stupid questions, just stupid people":rofl:

Mikko

11-23-2003, 12:23 AM

Are you putting words in my mouth? I said I prefer the RX8, not that it was faster.

flizzy home daw

11-23-2003, 12:40 AM

350z all the way, v6.. vs. four banger+ rx8 way overrated, smoked one in a 5.0,that was badly in need of a tune up... badly

flizzy home daw

11-23-2003, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by 04blackMAX
what car can u get that will beat the 350 that costs 25k???

....new or used....

I have a friend who is selling a 1972 mach 1 blown up to 450 hp with about the same amount of torque... 10k

XylathaneGTR

11-23-2003, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by flizzy home daw
[B]350z all the way, v6.. vs. four bangerB]
Uhhh...Where's this 4 banger comming in? Last time i checked, Rx8's weren't InlineFour's...
I'd rather have an Msport 330i over either car...buuhhht...350z anyday...I saw an RX8 at work...It looks ok...but other than that...Blah...

flizzy home daw

11-23-2003, 02:35 AM

lol oops my bad... it is a small engine tho... like 1.3L just made me think it was

lam-boy

11-23-2003, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by flizzy home daw
lol oops my bad... it is a small engine tho... like 1.3L just made me think it was

its called rotary.

rx7_turbo2

11-23-2003, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by flizzy home daw
lol oops my bad... it is a small engine tho... like 1.3L just made me think it was

The rotary motor fights a daily battle against stupidity like this:dunno: