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civic_rida
08-26-2002, 02:38 PM
I was goin around 90kmph 3rd gear i was at like 4800 rpm as a spoted a mustang gt next to me it was a brand new black , he smilled at me and guned it wit me he pulled ahead and i was at his door as soon as vtec kicked in i stayed in the same postion to 8000rpm, and then i slowed it down.

buh_buh
08-26-2002, 03:25 PM
I think it was a fake GT.
Cuz I don't think you can keep up with a GT.

civic_rida
08-26-2002, 03:26 PM
Yea to bad it had dual exhaust one on each side i.e. its gt

buh_buh
08-26-2002, 03:30 PM
well did the mustang know you were racing him? Cuz either way, its 160hp vs. 215hp or 240hp whichever one it was.

spyguy
08-26-2002, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by civic_rida
Yea to bad it had dual exhaust one on each side i.e. its gt

maybe you were racing him...but he wasnt racing you????:nut:

civic_rida
08-26-2002, 03:31 PM
he was racing it could of been automatic .

2000impreza
08-26-2002, 03:32 PM
it could have been a V6 with split dual exhaust.... newer mustang GT's are crazy fast. automatic mustang GT's are very fast too. because they have so much torque.

buh_buh
08-26-2002, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by 2000impreza
it could have been a V6 with split dual exhaust.... newer mustang GT's are crazy fast.
no V6 stangs have dual exhaust from the factory.

civic_rida
08-26-2002, 03:34 PM
Maybe aftermarket

civic_rida
08-26-2002, 03:34 PM
:( probably just a v6

2000impreza
08-26-2002, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh

no V6 stangs have dual exhaust from the factory.

i meant aftermarket ones. i know some v6 guys put 2 pipes on the back to give it the dual exhaust look........

Maggie
08-26-2002, 03:36 PM
are you a fucking idiot? There is no way a Civic could keep up with a Mustang unless its heavily modded. I don't give a shit about your little b16, its so overrated. All SiR guys think they're the shit, but your not that fast. There is no way you could've kept up to ANY Mustang GT, auto or not.

2000impreza
08-26-2002, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by Maggie
are you a fucking idiot? There is no way a Civic could keep up with a Mustang unless its heavily modded. I don't give a shit about your little b16, its so overrated. All SiR guys think they're the shit, but your not that fast. There is no way you could've kept up to ANY Mustang GT, auto or not.

holy shit. calm down. he siad it was probably a V6.......

civic_rida
08-26-2002, 03:37 PM
maggie what do u drive?

civic_rida
08-26-2002, 03:43 PM
CIVIC SIR WIT THESE MODS = ONE DEAD STOCK GT
CTR cams
CTR ECU
ITR valve springs and retainers
JDM 4-1 ITR header
2.5" in/out CarSound Cat
ITR intake manifold
ITR CAI
VAFC
Cat back exhaust
Exedy Organic Clutch

5.9 R/T
08-26-2002, 03:54 PM
Keep in mind this is from a roll, once the SiR get's going it is a rather quick car, it's just the first 50-100 feet or so that kill it. If it was a ~97 or older GT I believe that you kept up to him, if it was 99 or newer it was probably a V6.

I actually wouldn't mind taking a run against you in the truck if your interrested...

buh_buh
08-26-2002, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by civic_rida
CIVIC SIR WIT THESE MODS = ONE DEAD STOCK GT
CTR cams
CTR ECU
ITR valve springs and retainers
JDM 4-1 ITR header
2.5" in/out CarSound Cat
ITR intake manifold
ITR CAI
VAFC
Cat back exhaust
Exedy Organic Clutch
You have these mods on your SiR?


Originally posted by 5.9 R/T
Keep in mind this is from a roll, once the SiR get's going it is a rather quick car, it's just the first 50-100 feet or so that kill it.
I have a friend who had a SiR, and he said it was pretty gutless in the top end.

boi-alien
08-26-2002, 03:59 PM
ITR CAI ??

*shrugs*
i dunno is it just me or does anyone else find this kinda funny? :dunno:

Ferio_vti
08-26-2002, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by crxboi
ITR CAI ??

*shrugs*
i dunno is it just me or does anyone else find this kinda funny? :dunno:

Well, he claims he's got a ITR intake manifold too

SmelltheRubber
08-26-2002, 04:04 PM
My money says that the guy in the Mustang was not trying at all. All 1999+ Mustang GT's have 260 horsepower. Not 215 or 240...but 260. I'll bet the guy in the GT was giving you a break..hes probably embarrased too many civic drivers as it is...

Maggie
08-26-2002, 04:06 PM
hey man, this guy has got all these magical made up mods. So its POSSIBLE he beat this Mustang GT. :thumbsdow

boi-alien
08-26-2002, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by Ferio_vti


Well, he claims he's got a ITR intake manifold too

well i mean it's cool and all, but i just think it's hilarious cause, well... CAI is CAI no matter if it was made for a civic or an ITR or a dodge truck, and that's the bottom line. he coulda said AEM CAI, or something and that would be alright. but he's just throwing in ITR in there making it sound all godly cause it was made for an ITR that makes it funny

buh_buh
08-26-2002, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by crxboi


well i mean it's cool and all, but i just think it's hilarious cause, well... CAI is CAI no matter if it was made for a civic or an ITR or a dodge truck, and that's the bottom line. he coulda said AEM CAI, or something and that would be alright. but he's just throwing in ITR in there making it sound all godly cause it was made for an ITR that makes it funny
ALL TYPE-R STUFF IS GOD!!!:thumbsdow

5.9 R/T
08-26-2002, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh


I have a friend who had a SiR, and he said it was pretty gutless in the top end.

Compared to what? It's a typical honda motor where 3rd gear is it's best gear. I've driven and raced SiR's many times, so I know what they are like.

Like I said, even with those mods (real or otherwise) an SiR wouldn't touch a 99 or newer GT, but it would be able to keep up with a 97 or older from a 90kmh roll. From a stop tho, the GT would probably still take it, no matter what year.

civic_rida
08-26-2002, 04:51 PM
First of all all i got is intake and exhaust . 2nd of all this is a guy who posted on clubsi who has these mods and hes beat a mustang gt wit his sir.

civic_rida
08-26-2002, 04:52 PM
Maggie = no car

Fuji
08-26-2002, 05:10 PM
R U sure? I can't even think of beating a GT with my 167HP car... and I beat an SIR pretty good up until 120km... he may not have know how to drive.:dunno:

civic_rida
08-26-2002, 05:19 PM
Im just sayin if i had more mods i bet i could hang wit a mustang gt.

civic_rida
08-26-2002, 05:21 PM
Oh ya there is a diff. between itr cai and aem cai . ITR CAI 3inch pipin

Ferio_vti
08-26-2002, 05:28 PM
Right. So now you're saying it wasn't you racing a GT. Funny how you gave the impression you did in your intial posting.

civic_rida
08-26-2002, 05:30 PM
Funny how when u see a mustang and u see it has a tip on each side u think mustang gt.

CRXguy
08-26-2002, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by civic_rida
First of all all i got is intake and exhaust . 2nd of all this is a guy who posted on clubsi who has these mods and hes beat a mustang gt wit his sir.

Doesn't mean shit!:rolleyes:


Originally posted by civic_rida
Funny how when u see a mustang and u see it has a tip on each side u think mustang gt.

You must be deaf or something, cuz there's a sound difference between a v8 and a v6.:rolleyes:

civic_rida
08-26-2002, 05:40 PM
yea and i could totally hear when i had my music up and vtec kicked in

HillBilly
08-26-2002, 06:03 PM
:dunno: :dunno: What the hell are we all still talking about Mustangs for??? They are not a very fast car. 260hp out of a V8 is a disgrace...........:thumbsdow

5.9 R/T
08-26-2002, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Stealth R/T
:dunno: :dunno: What the hell are we all still talking about Mustangs for??? They are not a very fast car. 260hp out of a V8 is a disgrace...........:thumbsdow

Read the title of the thread smart guy. :rolleyes:

Edit: Last year at race city I saw a '00 GT run 15 flat, and i have the timeslip to proove it. It was an auto. In all my times at the track I have never seen a lightly modded SiR run faster then 16.00, i also have a timeslip to proove that. I think it would take a lot of motor work or FI to get an SiR to run high 14's.

GT2NV
08-26-2002, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by SmelltheRubber
My money says that the guy in the Mustang was not trying at all. All 1999+ Mustang GT's have 260 horsepower. Not 215 or 240...but 260. I'll bet the guy in the GT was giving you a break..hes probably embarrased too many civic drivers as it is...
"v6 mustangs are like tampons every pussy has one":thumbsdow
please dont tell me your car is auto as well hahahaa:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: im pretty sure the civic sir could take you, i bet you you have been embarrased by 1 to many civics:rofl:

HRD2PLZ
08-26-2002, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by black94gt

"_________ are like tampons every pussy has one":thumbsdow


:rofl: :rofl: thats hilarious :rofl: :rofl: can't believe I never heard it before

GT2NV
08-26-2002, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by Maggie
hey man, this guy has got all these magical made up mods. So its POSSIBLE he beat this Mustang GT. :thumbsdow
hey at least he doesnt have a magical car like you:confused:

SmelltheRubber
08-27-2002, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by black94gt

"v6 mustangs are like tampons every pussy has one":thumbsdow
please dont tell me your car is auto as well hahahaa:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: im pretty sure the civic sir could take you, i bet you you have been embarrased by 1 to many civics:rofl:

No actually its a stick. And as for making fun of even a v6 mustang, if you drive a civic (and its not heavily modded) all you will ever see of a mustang (V6 or otherwise) is the back end.
The facts are simple: Mustangs have the best price-to-performance ratio of any car you can buy in Canada. A 2001 Mustang GT will cost around $30 000 canadian. With that you get 260hp , 302 ft/lb of torque. Whats the closest thing Honda can offer to that? A V6 Accord with 200hp and 195 ft/lb of torque?? Sorry, it gets SPANKED. A Prelude? I can beat a new prelude with my V6, so theres no need to involve a GT. A Honda S2000? Well it makes 240hp at 8300 rpm and 157 ft/lb torque at 7500 rpm, which 1999+ GT can still RAPE. Not only that, but this car costs $46 800 canadian dollars and that reaches Mustang Cobra territory...I think even you would know what will happen when a little S2000 or any other honda or nissan steps up to a 2003 cobra....

buh_buh
08-27-2002, 12:34 AM
you know, I was going to close this thread, but since you brought Preludes into the mix, I've decided to join the fun.

I don't think you could really beat a "new" Prelude unless either it was an auto or if the guy was a bad driver. And I'm not doubting you beat one, but I'm positive a "new" Prelude could beat you. If you doubt me, lets go for a little run.

And I think a V6 Stang could beat a SiR stock vs. stock. It would be a different story if one of them were modded, but that would be an unfair comparison.

And I agree that a Mustang is probably the best bang for your buck if your looking for horsepower, but not everybody is concerned about a lot of hp. If all I wanted out of a car was hp, I would've bought a beat ass Mustang or an old Miata and modded the shit out of it rather than buy a Prelude. But that's not what all people want out of a car. But to each his own...

SmelltheRubber
08-27-2002, 12:44 AM
Originally posted by Stealth R/T
:dunno: :dunno: What the hell are we all still talking about Mustangs for??? They are not a very fast car. 260hp out of a V8 is a disgrace...........:thumbsdow

Again, look at what a Mustang GT (V8) costs- about $30 000 canadian. When a car costs that much, obviously its meant to be a quick mass production car. They are restricted to doing what can be done in the factory and cannot afford to tweak the engine or use certain materials (which would make the cost of the car go up) to increase hp. Name one car with a V8 that is comparable to a Mustang GT in terms of price AND performance. I guarantee you will have a hard time finding one. Also, keep in mind that a Cobra (between 1999 and 2002) also has a naturally aspirated V8 and it makes 320hp using this 4.6L V8. A new Corvette uses a 5.7L V8 to make 350hp. The corvette has an entire LITRE more of displacement and yet only makes 30hp more. So when you take all of that into account, 260hp out of a mass production V8 is DAMN SWEET when the car only costs $30 000.
And as for you saying that mustangs are not very fast cars....well i see that you drive the top of the line Stealth (the twin turbo version). Well why dont you go race a top of the line Mustang (like the cobra) and see how fast your car is....

Last- I forgot to ask earlier, but black94gt, I see you drive a 94 PGT...wtf is a PGT? Probe GT? If it is a probe, then dont bother replying...

5.9 R/T
08-27-2002, 01:41 AM
What about in Z06 trim when the 5.7 is making some 400 odd hp? That's 70.2 hp per liter as opposed to the cobra's 69.6 hp per liter. It's the exact same 5.7 in the base vette's just at a different level of tune. I only said this to point out that the previous cobra motor really isn't all that great, and we won't get into the detonation problems it has had, thats a whole other story.

300rwhp
08-27-2002, 01:54 AM
hey mathematics genius your math sucks 5.9rt the new cobra not in the same leagues as the zo6 but close makes 84.78 hp per liter vs the z06 72.8

just in cause you question my math 390/4.6=84.78 and 415/5.7=72.8 (cobra first corvette second)

5.9 R/T
08-27-2002, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by 300rwhp
hey mathematics genius your math sucks 5.9rt the new cobra not in the same leagues as the zo6 but close makes 84.78 hp per liter vs the z06 72.8

"previous cobra motor "

Before you bash, read. Hooked on phonics most certianly did not work for you.

300rwhp
08-27-2002, 02:05 AM
they why would compare a z06 corvetter to a cobra why a normal corvette to normal cobra of the same years sped either way your math was wrong for the corvette sped

SmelltheRubber
08-27-2002, 02:13 AM
5.9rt, if your talking about the "previous cobra motor", lets talk about the Mustang Cobra R. It was a 2000 release, while the Z06 has been released in both 2001 and 2002 so far. The Cobra R, using the same "previous cobra motor" (a 4.6L DOHC V8) puts out 385hp. Now, doing the math, that works out to...83.69 hp/litre.
Also, at the risk of sounding like a nitpicking nerd, the new cobra uses the same motor as the old one. The only difference is the roots supercharger...

385/4.6=83.69 hp/litre

The corvette Z06 puts out exactly 405hp from a 5.7 Litre LS8 generation V8.

405/5.7=71.05 hp/litre

Anyways, theres the math.

5.9 R/T
08-27-2002, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by 300rwhp
they why would compare a z06 corvetter to a cobra why a normal corvette to normal cobra of the same years sped either way your math was wrong for the corvette sped

"some 400 odd hp"

Again, before you bash, read. I wasn't sure about the vettes hp # but i knew it was over 400 and that's why there's the "odd" after it. I was comparing the two because the cobra is the highest state of tune for the 4.6 just like the 5.7 is the highest state of tune in the Z06. I'm just talking motors here, it doesn't matter what car they are in, or if they are in the same class. As for the year, i just used the most recent numbers for both motors, but if we were to compare 01 to 01 the 4.6 would have a slight edge in hp/l. So don't get your panties all tied up in a bunch, and slow down when you read. Oh and try using periods and commas instead of just one long sentance because its hard to understand when someone just keeps talking in one long sentance and you dont know what they are trying to connect it just keeps going without end switching from one idea to the next its kinda hard to read dont you think?

300rwhp
08-27-2002, 02:15 AM
smell the rubber v6 mustangs suck ass second if you anything about cars which you dont you would go making stupid arguments with the wrong info

ie the 2000 cobra r is a 5.4 liter engine

5.9 R/T
08-27-2002, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by SmelltheRubber
5.9rt, if your talking about the "previous cobra motor", lets talk about the Mustang Cobra R. It was a 2000 release, while the Z06 has been released in both 2001 and 2002 so far. The Cobra R, using the same "previous cobra motor" (a 4.6L DOHC V8) puts out 385hp. Now, doing the math, that works out to...83.69 hp/litre.
Also, at the risk of sounding like a nitpicking nerd, the new cobra uses the same motor as the old one. The only difference is the roots supercharger...

385/4.6=83.69 hp/litre

The corvette Z06 puts out exactly 405hp from a 5.7 Litre LS8 generation V8.

405/5.7=71.05 hp/litre

Anyways, theres the math.

The new cobra motor has a cast iron block and different internals compared with the all aluminum block on the previous cobras, not to sound like a nit picking nerd or anything.

300rwhp
08-27-2002, 02:18 AM
oh yeah z06 is a 415hp

5.9 R/T
08-27-2002, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by 300rwhp
smell the rubber v6 mustangs suck ass second if you anything about cars which you dont you would go making stupid arguments with the wrong info



Hahaha stang owners can't even get along with their own kind.

300rwhp
08-27-2002, 02:22 AM
v8 vs v6 we dont like the midget stangs

SmelltheRubber
08-27-2002, 02:24 AM
Shit, those were quick replies...
Yeah my bad, the Cobra R is a 5.4L! Sorry bout the mistake.
Anyways 300, type properly, decoding your replies is a bitch.

5.9rt, yeah your right, but those new internals are only there to handle the added pressures and loads of the supercharger..the motor itself is still the same design.

Stratus_Power
08-27-2002, 02:30 AM
Originally posted by 5.9 R/T


Hahaha stang owners can't even get along with their own kind.

and the legend of ford lives on~ :confused: :confused:

5.9 R/T
08-27-2002, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by SmelltheRubber

5.9rt, yeah your right, but those new internals are only there to handle the added pressures and loads of the supercharger..the motor itself is still the same design.

Well no shit. How much hp do you think the 5.7 would churn out if an SC was strapped onto it? I only compared the NA to NA motors because thats the only fair way to do it. Just because a FI motor can crank out more hp/l then an NA motor does not make it better. In fact I would be quite disapointed if it didn't. Just for your info, the new turbo neon motor will put out more hp/l then the cobra's, and there are many import cars that put out much more hp/l in NA form. The cobra motor in NA or FI form isn't really all that special, and if you talk to the guys that race on these motors you'll find out that it takes a lot to hold them together too. Ford should have stuck with the 302, now that was a great motor.

SmelltheRubber
08-27-2002, 03:10 AM
Maybe...
But were way out of similiar price brackets here...if ford sold a mustang for as much as a corvette, you'd be damn sure that engine would make comparable power...now I see I shouldnt have brought up a corvette in the first place...
But while were ont he subject of motors... bring in a 2000 Camaro SS and a 2002 Firebird Trans Am- both these cars use pretty much the same motor as a corvette (using a LS1 5.7L V8) The 2002 Firebird Trans Am puts out 325hp and the Camaro SS puts out 320. The 2000 cobra puts out 320 from a 4.6L motor.
And all these cars cost around the same...

This whole argument is going nowhere......anyways all Ive been trying to say is that a 260hp V8 in a mass production car is not bad. Thats all...im done.

redline
08-27-2002, 07:49 AM
holy fuck it is ricer math :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

SilverStreak
08-27-2002, 08:21 AM
Oh wow, referring hp/litre to domestics :rolleyes:

120hp/litre now that is a good ratio :D

The SiR has no chance, if it was a GT, the dude wasn't trying. It would be a fair one between a GT and a S though.

redline
08-27-2002, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by SilverStreak

The SiR has no chance, if it was a GT, the dude wasn't trying. It would be a fair one between a GT and a S though.

y0 hiz VtEcZ KiCkEd in y0 !! :drool: :D :confused: :dunno: :banghead:

ThreePly
08-27-2002, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by Stealth R/T
:dunno: :dunno: What the hell are we all still talking about Mustangs for??? They are not a very fast car. 260hp out of a V8 is a disgrace...........:thumbsdow

300 ft/lbs of torque isn't though.:thumbsup:

LUDELVR
08-27-2002, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by ThreePly


300 ft/lbs of torque isn't though.:thumbsup:

Yah, but 100 ft/lbs of torque from an sir is!!!!!:rofl: :rofl:

ThreePly
08-27-2002, 09:39 AM
Just for the record, it's not right to compare a N/A motor like the Z06 to a supercharged engine like in the 2003 cobra when you're talking horsepower numbers.

Stock for stock, of course the corvette is better in every aspect...handling and power. That's why the mustang and the corvette aren't really in teh same league. The corvette also costs a hell of a lot more, but it's a good bang for the buck. The GT40 is supposed to combat the corvette and viper...mustang was supposed to match up against the camaro...and it never could until the camaro was discontinued.

Anyway, that's just how I see it.

ThreePly
08-27-2002, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by LUDELVR


Yah, but 100 ft/lbs of torque from an sir is!!!!!:rofl: :rofl:

haha......but what if that 100 ft/lbs kicks in at 2000rpm....na, what the hell am I talking about. It barely kicks in at 6500 rpm.haha

LUDELVR
08-27-2002, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by ThreePly


haha......but what if that 100 ft/lbs kicks in at 2000rpm....na, what the hell am I talking about. It barely kicks in at 6500 rpm.haha

too true man!! All bark no bite!!! hahaha, Last time I was in an sir, I could hear it (barely) and in terms of feeling it....couldn't feel anything!! haha, it was funny too, cuz when I was in lethbridge, one of the mechanics was telling me to trade my sr-v for an sir and I was like "r u on crack?" and he was trying to convince me that an sir would run circles around my car!! hahahah, that's why I always pick on them and shut them down when they want to race!!! hahaha ,anyway!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
some of those damn ricers with the VAFC try and engage their VTEC point sooner and it's completely useless but whatever man!! If they think it works!!:thumbsup: :rofl:

civic_rida
08-27-2002, 10:22 AM
How old are u guys. By the time im ur age my car should be able to take what u have right now

LUDELVR
08-27-2002, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by civic_rida
How old are u guys. By the time im ur age my car should be able to take what u have right now

I don't think so son!!! Boost owns you!!!

hahhahha, it's funny how I can say that now!!!:rofl: :rofl:

4wheeldrift
08-27-2002, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by ThreePly
Just for the record, it's not right to compare a N/A motor like the Z06 to a supercharged engine like in the 2003 cobra when you're talking horsepower numbers.
Why not exactly? If they are measured using the same horsepower scale, it doesn't matter if we are comparing a V8 to a jet engine, regardless of aspiration.

Ed the SOHC
08-27-2002, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by civic_rida
How old are u guys. By the time im ur age my car should be able to take what u have right now

Don't waste your money like we did. Sell your car and start at a higher RWD/AWD platform. It's just too much money to make Honda/Acura's go really fast IMO.

max_boost
08-27-2002, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by civic_rida
How old are u guys. By the time im ur age my car should be able to take what u have right now

Sure, powered by Daddy. Once he pulls the sponsorship, you would have NOTHING!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

5.9 R/T
08-27-2002, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by SmelltheRubber
Maybe...
But were way out of similiar price brackets here...if ford sold a mustang for as much as a corvette, you'd be damn sure that engine would make comparable power...now I see I shouldnt have brought up a corvette in the first place...
But while were ont he subject of motors... bring in a 2000 Camaro SS and a 2002 Firebird Trans Am- both these cars use pretty much the same motor as a corvette (using a LS1 5.7L V8) The 2002 Firebird Trans Am puts out 325hp and the Camaro SS puts out 320. The 2000 cobra puts out 320 from a 4.6L motor.
And all these cars cost around the same...

This whole argument is going nowhere......anyways all Ive been trying to say is that a 260hp V8 in a mass production car is not bad. Thats all...im done.


"I'm just talking motors here, it doesn't matter what car they are in, or if they are in the same class."

Why did I say that? Well you tried to compare the base model vette motor to the cobra motor. Again these are two completely different cars, the cobra would get hammered by the base vette in all things performance. As for your camaro numbers next time you talk to a cobra guy ask how bad he gets beaten by those SS cars. When your racing it doesn't matter who has the most advanced motor, it's who can get to the finish line first. The ford 4.6's are POS, they have a weak bottom end, and for having DOHC's 320 hp really is pathetic. Stop trying to make excuses for the 4.6 and face the fact that the motors in the stangs arn't impressive. For the performance that you get, yes they are a good deal, but nothing about them is spectacular. If you had not said this:

"The corvette has an entire LITRE more of displacement and yet only makes 30hp more" (comparing the Cobra's 4.6 to the 5.7)

I would not have said anything, but you did. Before you go comparing shit make sure you know a little about them. The 5.7 is a million times the motor that the 4.6 will ever be.

4wheeldrift: You can't compare power outputs from an NA motor to a FI motor. Just look at racing, name one league that allows similar cars with similar displacement motors of both FI and NA to race against each other. It just doesn't happen, the FI motors would walk all over the NA motors. Isn't there some sort of correction tho for FI motors? Displacement x 0.5 + displacement = it's comparable NA motor? I don't know the exact calculation but I think thats pretty close.

ThreePly
08-27-2002, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by 4wheeldrift
Why not exactly? If they are measured using the same horsepower scale, it doesn't matter if we are comparing a V8 to a jet engine, regardless of aspiration.

It's just that somebody was using the 390hp of the 2003 cobra in their calculations against a Z06 engine to calculate the HP/litre. Comparing horsepower is fine, but when you compare HP/litre between a N/A car and a supercharged car...then I don't think that's fair until the Z06 is supercharged as well. In this context, at least, that's what I think.

ThreePly
08-27-2002, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by civic_rida
How old are u guys. By the time im ur age my car should be able to take what u have right now

Shit, you could take my car right now...I just don't go pretending my car is something that it's not.

LUDELVR
08-27-2002, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by ThreePly


Shit, you could take my car right now...I just don't go pretending my car is something that it's not.

Is that why you took off your spoiler??:rofl: :rofl: I'm tellin ya man, we need a GTI in our group!!! Ghetto Turbo Integra!!! hahahaha

ThreePly
08-27-2002, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by LUDELVR


Is that why you took off your spoiler??:rofl: :rofl: I'm tellin ya man, we need a GTI in our group!!! Ghetto Turbo Integra!!! hahahaha

haha...Ya man, I thought it was creating a lot of wind resistance. Ever since I took it off, I've been spanking ludes and shit.:guns:

4wheeldrift
08-27-2002, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by 5.9 R/T
4wheeldrift: You can't compare power outputs from an NA motor to a FI motor. Just look at racing, name one league that allows similar cars with similar displacement motors of both FI and NA to race against each other. It just doesn't happen, the FI motors would walk all over the NA motors. Isn't there some sort of correction tho for FI motors? Displacement x 0.5 + displacement = it's comparable NA motor? I don't know the exact calculation but I think thats pretty close. Ever heard of an inlet restrictor? I can think of more than a couple of race series that let turbos and NA cars run together, but the turbo cars are always smaller displacement and are forced to carry ballast. There are ways to offset the advantages quite easily. Inlet restrictors, extra weight, smaller displacement, there are always ways to make all the cars equal. This is what makes the USTCC so interesting.

5.9 R/T
08-27-2002, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by 4wheeldrift
Ever heard of an inlet restrictor?

Yup. Doesn't change the fact that without changing the FI motor you can't compare the two.

4wheeldrift
08-27-2002, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by 5.9 R/T


Yup. Doesn't change the fact that without changing the FI motor you can't compare the two.

I don't see why. Please enlighten me. Saying you can't compare to an FI motor and an NA motor of similar displacements is like saying you can't compare to identical motors that use different cam profiles. One is simple flowing more air than the other.

5.9 R/T
08-27-2002, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by 4wheeldrift


I don't see why. Please enlighten me. Saying you can't compare to an FI motor and an NA motor of similar displacements is like saying you can't compare to identical motors that use different cam profiles. One is simple flowing more air than the other.

I'm talking in terms of hp/l, r u?

buh_buh
08-27-2002, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by civic_rida
How old are u guys. By the time im ur age my car should be able to take what u have right now
Who cares how old we are? What matters is what you have now. Who cares if 2 years down the road you have 200hp, because 2 years down the road, I could have 500hp for all you know. I don't think I've heard anybody say "I could've beaten your car 2 years ago". Nobody gives a shit man, what matters is NOW, not what your GOING to do, not what you've had, and not what you plan to have later on down the road.

LUDELVR
08-27-2002, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh

Who cares how old we are? What matters is what you have now. Who cares if 2 years down the road you have 200hp, because 2 years down the road, I could have 500hp for all you know. I don't think I've heard anybody say "I could've beaten your car 2 years ago". Nobody gives a shit man, what matters is NOW, not what your GOING to do, not what you've had, and not what you plan to have later on down the road.

This reminds me of people on Hondaprelude.com who would always put "future mods, blah blah blah" shit, I woulda put "future mods....a jet engine!!" :rofl: :rofl:

OMOYYC
08-27-2002, 01:52 PM
I can agree with that from my past experiences. Spent so much, but still suck ass. A stock 330ci kills any n/a civic


Originally posted by Ed the SOHC


Don't waste your money like we did. Sell your car and start at a higher RWD/AWD platform. It's just too much money to make Honda/Acura's go really fast IMO.

Ed the SOHC
08-27-2002, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by Cwave
I can agree with that from my past experiences. Spent so much, but still suck ass. A stock 330ci kills any n/a civic



tru dat!

Too bad I chose the expensive route. :banghead: Oh well, live and learn... and now, I warn others ---> DON'T DO IT!!!:D

SilverStreak
08-27-2002, 02:55 PM
too soon junior :thumbsdow

:D


Originally posted by civic_rida
How old are u guys. By the time im ur age my car should be able to take what u have right now

GT2NV
08-27-2002, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by SmelltheRubber

Last- I forgot to ask earlier, but black94gt, I see you drive a 94 PGT...wtf is a PGT? Probe GT? If it is a probe, then dont bother replying...
why would you say that? i know i can take you no problem, and i think you should have bought a v8 if you were going to purchase a mustang.... the only type of people i see driving v6 mustangs are....well are women... its only a fact, if you would like to race id love to :guns:

GT2NV
08-27-2002, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by max_boost


Sure, powered by Daddy. Once he pulls the sponsorship, you would have NOTHING!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: OOooooooooo

buh_buh
08-27-2002, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by black94gt

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: OOooooooooo
its funny cuz its true.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

LUDELVR
08-27-2002, 03:39 PM
man, is it me, or is there just not a lot of love floating around on this thread???:dunno: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Ferio_vti
08-27-2002, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by black94gt

why would you say that? i know i can take you no problem, and i think you should have bought a v8 if you were going to purchase a mustang.... the only type of people i see driving v6 mustangs are....well are women... its only a fact, if you would like to race id love to :guns:

Nothing personal, but it does seem like Stangs are going towards a chick car lately.

GT2NV
08-27-2002, 03:43 PM
yeha i know:thumbsdow my mom got one haha and me and my bro race em all the time its like taking candy from a baby:burnout:

Ferio_vti
08-27-2002, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by black94gt
yeha i know:thumbsdow my mom got one haha and me and my bro race em all the time its like taking candy from a baby:burnout:

What does you bro drive??

GT2NV
08-27-2002, 03:48 PM
my moms car cause hes too young

SmelltheRubber
08-27-2002, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by black94gt

why would you say that? i know i can take you no problem, and i think you should have bought a v8 if you were going to purchase a mustang.... the only type of people i see driving v6 mustangs are....well are women... its only a fact, if you would like to race id love to :guns:

Yeah well, im still only 18 and I managed to get the car for grade 12. I think its pretty damn sweet deal to get it as my first car and at this age too. You wont hear me complaining because it's a V6...
Most people my age cant even dream about driving something like that, let alone a 2001 model. So whether its a V6 or V8, I consider it downright lucky to be able to drive that. And if alot of chicks are driving V6's, well then they got good taste in their choice of car. And yes, im down for a good natured race anytime.
:burnout:

08-27-2002, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh

its funny cuz its true.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Your on the same boat too!:rolleyes:

buh_buh
08-27-2002, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by [email protected]

Your on the same boat too!:rolleyes:
I paid for half of my car, and all my mods.

Wait a sec... who bought your whole car?

08-27-2002, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh

I paid for half of my car, and all my mods.

Wait a sec... who bought your whole car?
Actually I did, with my parents as a co-signor! Not a single penny came from their pocket.

I paid for my entire car and all my mods!

ThreePly
08-27-2002, 04:48 PM
guys guys guys, we're losing site of the original topic here. Now, back to making fun of the guy that said an SIR can beat a 1999+ mustang GT.:angel:

civic_rida
08-27-2002, 05:05 PM
I still say a modded n/a sir can beat stock mustang gt

Theres reasons why i dont have a ford why do u think they diterate in valve so quick.

If i can make my car as fast as a v6 ill be happy cause ill know ill be getting better gas mileage doin it and it wont take much more for me to smoke the v6 cars.

08-27-2002, 05:06 PM
Anyway, no way a relatively stock SiR can beat or keep up to a Mustang GT. Maybe if the stang was going inreverse!

buh_buh
08-27-2002, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by civic_rida
I still say a modded n/a sir can beat stock mustang gt

Theres reasons why i dont have a ford why do u think they diterate in valve u so quick.
how modded?
You can have a balls out N/A drag car that can beat a Mustang. But not your SiR, or probably ANY SiR in Calgary can beat a new stock Mustang.

08-27-2002, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by civic_rida
diterate

you mean depreciate?