Beyond winter wheeling run

[FraserB]

JANUARY 10TH BEYOND WHEELING RUN

Things recommended for the run
- Tires with good tread, prefer MT or AT tread (needed)
- Safe front and rear tow points (hooks, shackles, trailer hitch), pretty much needed, hate hooking up to bumpers and axles
- CB radio, not needed but nice if a few people have one
- Winch, not needed but nice to have a few in the group
- Whatever recovery gear you have (straps, tow straps, HiLift)
- Enough food and water for you and any passengers for the day
- Warm clothes, extra set of clothes
- Good boots
-Tools and extra fluids


We'll meet at the Smittys parking lot at 8:30AM and be on the road by 9:00AM. You can either meet us there or meet me in the south (Rockyview Hospital area). If one of the guys in the north wants to set a meetup point, that would be awesome. I like to use Channel 10 on the CB, for those that have them.


LIST OF ATTENDEES

FraserB- White Jeep Grand Cherokee
Sugarphreak- Black Hummer H3T
??Alak- Red Land Rover
Khamul- H3 Alpha

[AndyL]

Mmmmm snow run... Leaning to yes; the 90 4runner on snow tires should be up for this; might have to look at the rear towpoint though...

Depends on the weather though, the ladies can be grouchy when it gets cold :)

[CelicaST-162]

My brothers Bday is on that day, so I'll confirm at a later date.

Few things to add for now.

-Vehicles MUST be equipped with a 2 speed LOW Range Transfer case.
-Shovel
-Warm Clothing
-Boots
-Extra food
-Sleeping bag
-HiLift (If you have one)
-Tool kit
-Extra Coolant
-Extra Oil
-Recovery Points FRONT and REAR, your vehicle MUST have these! If you don't have them, don't come!

The 28th is on a Monday, which I probably can't go due to work. Can we move this to a weekend?

[lemon-aid jay]

I would be up for this if it can be moved to a weekend.

[FraserB]

Does Sunday Jan 3 work better for everyone?

[Khalil.e]

I'm all in - either date!

[AndyL]

Just a hint to those eyeballing the monday part - Saturday would be boxing day - as it falls on a weekend, you're probably going to have monday in lieu...

In other words - just about everyone has it as a stat holiday...

[Sugarphreak]

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[CelicaST-162]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Count me in, looks like fun.

I don't have a winch, but I will be packing some good sized shackles and tow straps. I should have a CB radio as well.



Hmmmm, why do I think if anybody goes through it is going to be me! lol

That's why airing down is so important! ;)

[Alak]

We should check out some of the new trails they opened from dec 1st to march 15th. I'll see if I can find a new map.

[FraserB]

Alak, I have the new map. 3 more trails opened up, they look pretty fun from the pics I have seen so far.:eek:

If you want I can send you a link.

[Alak]

Please. I cant find the map one of the other guys sent me. He said the trails were fairly moderate (31's or the sort) - But I mean, I call him crazy John.

[aristocrat]

id like to go on some wheeling runs, but im in edmonton till about the 7th, maybe next time

[skyline04]

I'M in I think. Gonna make the trip down from Edmonton. Can we get a set date do I can make plans for it?

[aristocrat]

you guys should do it after the 7th ;)

[AndyL]

FraserB - Can you send me that link? I'd like to see what's re-available...

[Alak]

Its just already exsisting quad trails open to trucks. There the margret lake loop, which looks like it could be some fun.

Thats what I think we should do, a couple big hills there that I know of (never did the whole thing).

[Sugarphreak]

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[Alak]

I think we should find a date that works good for everyone a little later in January. I think everyone's schedule is up in the air with the holidays, especially around new years.

Perhaps the 10th for the beyond wheeling run?

[FraserB]

Later in the month works for me, I haven't even set a tire on these new trails yet and now with the other run I have to lead it might be a bit much. Later in January everyone should be back from holiday and back to a normal routine.

The 10th is fine for me, just need to know for sure so I can get the time off work

[Sugarphreak]

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[CelicaST-162]

A shot from Waiparous, Nov 09. Hopefully the ice will be thicker :D
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2531/4110582841_5e2c72a421_b.jpg

[CelicaST-162]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2599/4111344750_b9800d34ae_b.jpg

[Alak]

I cant wait, I gots the itch.

Looks like my next upgrades were decided for me as lockers. Rear diff is starting to make a little noise on the highway. Figures, after I just fixed the front one. Hahaha. Land Rover.

[Sugarphreak]

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[FraserB]

I don't believe so, all SRD and GAMP want is for us to monitor the trail for any excessive wear and rutting. If that happens they temporarily close them and then reopen once the trail is fixed. we should all be fine since they are technically "truck" trails.

[DonJuan]

I also have the itch, but I dunno if I can make it out on the 28th. BTW what is a 2 speed low range gearbox? Is it 2 seperate ratios for the low range?

[Sugarphreak]

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[Khamul]

U guys ok with one more?

[FraserB]

As long as you meet the requirements in the first post,

[Khamul]

U betcha - done a fair bit already in Waiprous...

Only thing I don't have in a winch but I need to sell one of my hummers first so I know which one to keep modifying....

Dave

[Sugarphreak]

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[Alak]

I got my winch hooked up, but I cant do any heavy winching until my new battery comes in, hopefully before the 10th. Im running on my old red top, which is NOT a winching battery haha. Its good for about 30 feet.

[Khamul]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


**cough cough... sell the H2**

That was the plan...no bites yet...

But it is Christmas.... Starting to like it though... Love the size of it!

[FraserB]

Looking at Khamul's pics on the hummer forum I now know why I feel nose first into that hole last summer. People had been digging it out with bigger tires.:nut:

[aristocrat]

In for the 10th, dont have a winch or CB but i got straps and shackles and a cellphone haha.

yeah i cant wait. might have my body lift on!

[Alak]

Originally posted by aristocrat
In for the 10th, dont have a winch or CB but i got straps and shackles and a cellphone haha.

yeah i cant wait. might have my body lift on!


Too bad theres virtually no reception out there haha.

We can communicate with smoke signals.

[aristocrat]

Originally posted by Alak



Too bad theres virtually no reception out there haha.

We can communicate with smoke signals.

well shit
i can bring a VHF radio?
haha

[Khamul]

Originally posted by FraserB
Looking at Khamul's pics on the hummer forum I now know why I feel nose first into that hole last summer. People had been digging it out with bigger tires.:nut:

How do you think I felt when I went in nose first!!???!!

I'm just 35 inch tires which are almost a necessity... I went plowing into that hole and nose dived!!!! Water went up to the windshield which freaked me out.....

Kinda funny having to drain the water out once I emerged!!!

I may invest in a snorkle soon...:eek:

[Alak]

Snorkels are a very good investment. Stops the water from getting in the intake, but it doesnt help when the water starts f--king with the fuel injection hahaha.


http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q22/vwjetbug/Random%20Cars/Land%20Rover/wwwcameltrophyvehiclescom_001.jpg

[Alak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTkBCFH8BnU

Heres a little water crossing action for you guys.

[aristocrat]

wtf? hahaha.

thats the dumbsest water crossing ever,

"lets pull our trucks across with a rope!"

[Alak]

It was the point of the challange. First one across wins. Only nobody won because it took both teams to pull one car out.

Best part is, thats somebody's truck. They drove it home after that hahaha.

[aristocrat]

haha wow, note to self - never buy a 95 land rover thats yellow with a roof rack..

[Alak]

Haha, no kidding.

I can gush all day about the Camel Trophy, since its sorta what got me into Land Rovers - and alot of the footage is pretty dramatic.

Someday I'll own a genuine truck from the trophy. Someday.

[Alak]

http://www.diariomotor.com/imagenes/discovery_camel_trophy_02.jpg

http://www.k2news.com/dimages/Camel.jpg

http://www.roversnorth.com/web/mediagallery/wallpaper/image/kalimantan96093.jpg

Man are we off-topic or what hahaha.

[Khamul]

Don't you find the Land Rover's bottom out alot?

[forbiddenera]

If the bellhousing I need for my engine arrives by then I'm in.

*goes to garage and starts rebuilding 5mge*

[Alak]

Originally posted by Khamul
Don't you find the Land Rover's bottom out alot?

The only part I have any trouble with is the back overhang on mine because Discovery 2's have 10 more inches behind (although the wheelbase is the same as a discovery 1). When it was stock, I used to touch on the middle x-member all the time. They are good because most of the drivetrain components are higher than the bottom of the frame, so nothing really pokes down. Just a higher center of gravity when you get a fully loaded roof-rack.

The trucks shown above all have factory ride height (with uprated springs) on 235/85R16 wheels. Some wonder why they didnt go with something bigger. Fact is they dont have ruts to worry about because where they go, nobody's been before.


Its kinda funny because I remember in one trophy, I think 87 where they used range rovers, they had to change a transferbox in one of the cars, and they ended up just tipping over the car on its side and fixing it standing up.

[Khamul]

Too funny! They are definitely known for thier reliability!

[Sugarphreak]

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[Khamul]

Sooo...... where we meetin'?

Parking lot across from Timmy's in Cochrane? Do we have a head count at this point for attendance?

Doing a lunch trip?

Should I shut up now and just wait?


By the way....does this group have any autobody techies?

[Alak]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
I am actually a huge LR Defender fan, wish they produced them here.


Im one of the few in the land rover club of alberta without one. Lots of ex-ministry of defence units coming over for various members all the time. Or alot of members have series units they upgrade to TDI engines and such.

I want to own one, but...... Picture going from your hummer, to a tractor. Theres NO luxury. Hell, theres barely heat. The seat is literally a box with one of those seats like you have in the movie theater (thats what it resembles)

Better yet, picture the passenger seat in death proof. Take the ride from something made from freightliner, and the horsepower from a volkswagen beetle. No Heat, No Aircon.

But a hell of a truck off-road.

I am planning a 110 Hi-Cap pickup truck in the future. Maybe for next x-mas (but I doubt it, Im still building the DII)

Back on topic - I think in the past we've had success meeting in NW calgary and convoying out (picking up stragglers along the way).

[Sugarphreak]

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[FraserB]

OP edited, post up if you're coming and I'll add to the list.

[Khamul]

I'm in with bells on!!!

Dave (Khamul) - H3 Alpha

And yes... I would hate to give up the luxury.... my H2 has 3 levels of warming my ass and lower back!!! My H3 just warms my ass on low/high.... so that's roughing it pretty good I think! :thumbsup:

[Sugarphreak]

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[Alak]

My Land Rover used to have 1 setting - melt your ass off. But alass it stopped working a little while ago (from wear and tear).

[Khamul]

LOL!!! :burnout:

[aristocrat]

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[Sugarphreak]

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[Khamul]

Or at the Source (Radio Shack) as they had some on sale recently....

[Alak]

Theres a shop at road king, and he carrys all kinds of stuff.

I got my CB setup from there for about $150 for a cobra radio and an antenna.

[jswankster]

count me in - White Jeep Cherokee

[aristocrat]

Body lift on
6 Aux lights on the roof
got a CB installing tomorrow
small whip on the front, 2 shackles and a strap.

so many changes in 1 day haha

[Sugarphreak]

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[FraserB]

Just got back now. Overall its pretty nice out, we ran Mockingbird to Margret Lake and then to the falls, came out Meadow Creek.

There are a few spots where 33"+ tires and lockers are an asset, particularly on one rock climb near the falls. I was thinking we could run on of the new trails that have opened up to us this year.

[mrbojangles]

Saw you guys out there! You crossed in front of us.

I called out on VHF simplex 146.445 but didn't get an answer.

Great day for a run wasn't it?

[FraserB]

Originally posted by mrbojangles
Saw you guys out there! You crossed in front of us.

I called out on VHF simplex 146.445 but didn't get an answer.

Great day for a run wasn't it?

What were you guys driving? I had the white GC

[Sugarphreak]

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[FraserB]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Which rock climb are you talking about? Is that the steep ridge climb on loose rocks on the left just before you cross the creek to the falls?

In this picture there is ridge just in the background, is the rock climb you are talking about the trail that leads up just out of sight on the left hand side? (falls are just to the right hand side of the trucks)

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq138/steve_snelgrove/2009-Aug-1%20-%20Waiparous/IMGP1188.jpg

Its just before the falls and before the wide river crossing, you go up that steep two stage hill, around the corner and then there is a small hill of loose rock. That hill is now covered in deep snow that hides all the rock, except it lets you drop tires in since you can pick a line. it should be better now that we packed all the snow and exposed most of the rock.

[Alak]

Hey fraser got any pics from today? Im sure there was good video too.

[Antonito]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Sounds like you are ready to rock

I have a nice set of "Nite Stalker" Roo-Lites sitting in a box myself, but I am too lazy to tackle the wiring until I get around to buying a winch so I can just do it all at the same time.

I think Fraser was leading a run today in that area, he should be able to give us the low-down on the conditions when he gets back.

Are these the ones you had on the Jeep? Those were sweet

[Sugarphreak]

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[aristocrat]

rocks.

have never wheeled on rocks before haha, always the northern mud we have north of edmonton.

tougher?

[Alak]

Originally posted by aristocrat
rocks.



tougher?

Split your diff open like a grapefruit. Well, its not that bad, you just have to be careful and go slow, which makes it difficult if the rocks are loose and slippery. Skid plates are an asset if you go all out rock climbing.

The rocks in wiaprous arnt that bad, but snow has a habit of multiplying the difficulty factor.

[aristocrat]

hm ok, well i have skid plates for the most part. would like to have diff armor by then but its not gonna happen

[Khamul]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Same ones, I have been saving them because I always new I would own another 4x4 :)



Not sure if that is the same one or not. The one I "attempted" you had to dip into the creek, then up a steep slope.... then you could go either down through the creek to the falls or to the left up this ridge of loose rock.

I made it about 10 feet from the top before I got hung up on a rock on my rear dif, there was two other guys who made it up, but nobody else attempted it.

Some of the rock hills on the way there can be pretty hair raising because of the grades.... I am getting excited to get out there next weekend :)


Sounds like the same - I as right behind you and remember you getting hung up on that..

Isn't that path a little steep with the snow?

[Sugarphreak]

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[Khamul]

Same as driving through the water (Shhhh.... we never did that...) as some of those rocks were pretty big.

That was one of the reasons why I did the lift on the H3 as well. I plan on doing a small lift on the H2 as well if that is the one I have in the end...

[mrbojangles]

Originally posted by FraserB


What were you guys driving? I had the white GC

Yellow FJ, Blue and Silver Pajero, and a solid axle Nissan Hardbody Truggie.

[FraserB]

SP and Khamul, its just a small rock garden on an upwards slope. Its cake in the summer but the snow has make it a huge pain.

[Khamul]

K - that makes more sense..

Cuz I know that one hill we went on that SP got hung up on would be next to impossible in Winter.... very steep grade and very narrow at the top - the H2's in the group couldn't make it by...

[Khamul]

Holy crap!!! There must have been a mad dash fro tow straps.... Princess Auto was totally sold out of staps over 10,000 lbs...

I had to settle for that one, which should do....but wasn't what I wanted...

[Sugarphreak]

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[FraserB]

Originally posted by Khamul
K - that makes more sense..

Cuz I know that one hill we went on that SP got hung up on would be next to impossible in Winter.... very steep grade and very narrow at the top - the H2's in the group couldn't make it by...

The hill right before the falls right? Where it goes goes down, a bit flat and then up? That hill sucks right now since there are two rocks right in the trail.

10 and 15k straps are good, I think you guys only weight about 6,ooolbs right? Add in 50% weight for inclines or sticking resistance and you are still within the straps limit. If you really want, I think Greggs Distributors have straps as well.

[Sugarphreak]

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[aristocrat]

I haz 21,000 LB :D
i think. haha.

[lemon-aid jay]

has a final date been set for this run

[Sugarphreak]

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[aristocrat]

Originally posted by FraserB
[meet me in the south (Rockyview Hospital area). [/B]

Id be up for that, ill be at moun royal so i can meet you at rockyview and ill follow you there cause id rather not get lost.

[Khamul]

Did I miss something??? Smitty's?

Fill me in here... I thought we were meeting in the lot across from Timmy's in Cochrane?

I hesitated with the 10k strap but got it just in case can't get anything else in the mean time. I think my rig is about 6500+/- so 10k is at it's Max.... I was hoping for 25k - 30k..

[Sugarphreak]

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[Khamul]

Gotcha - so it's on that same drag..... worls for me...

As long as I can go get a coffee and make potty before we go, then I am kewl with that...

Looking forwarsd to this.... havena been out since October...

[aristocrat]

So its the smitty's in cochrane then? at 830 on sunday?

[Sugarphreak]

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[Khamul]

I'm already half way there.... I live in Tuscany so Cochrane is not even 10 minutes from home....

[aristocrat]

are there any jeeps going? i need to use my jeep recovery tool kit haha

so excited for this. 830 am is so early though i m gonna be beat.

[Sugarphreak]

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[CelicaST-162]

I may be cross country skiing that day, if I don't end up going I will be at the Cochrane smittys at 830