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sxtothe240
01-05-2010, 01:01 PM
Southbound at 16th

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Southbound at South Land/ Ikea

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InLoveWitRSX
01-05-2010, 01:31 PM
holy shit! my dad said he saw three cars flipped this morning... crazy...

Sharpie
01-05-2010, 01:34 PM
what time did all this shit go down? I have to run in ill be taking deerfoot north... Is it safe to go now or should I wait?

Dr_Funk
01-05-2010, 01:35 PM
Are the roads that bad down south? or just bad drivers?

Cuz up north here, the roads are bad, but I don't think bad enough for cars to be flipping and going off into ditches..

2EFNFAST
01-05-2010, 01:38 PM
Calgary drivers have to be the worst in the world :facepalm:

almerick
01-05-2010, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by 2EFNFAST
Calgary drivers have to be the worst in the world :facepalm:

:werd: and they seem to be getting worse

Sorath
01-05-2010, 01:41 PM
I headed north on deerfoot this morning at 10am and i seen 3 accidents already. these are far far worse than i saw this morning

dino_martini
01-05-2010, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by 2EFNFAST
Calgary drivers have to be the worst in the world :facepalm:

That's because they are all from Saskatchewan

beyond_ban
01-05-2010, 01:47 PM
I took Deerfoot SB from Glenmore to 130th at 7AM on my way to work and there were people going 80 km/h in the fast lane. I had no problems passing in the farthest right lane at 110. Seriously, the roads were perfectly fine minus the fresh light snow on the road. I even brake checked a few times to check the traction, and i never had any problems slowing down. Unless the roads worsened, Calgary drivers should all head down to the shooting edge and get their business done.

Lex350
01-05-2010, 01:47 PM
I'm surprised this hasn't happened yet on the ring road. This morning going to work there were quite a few assholes driving up around 130kmh.......wait for it....all pick up drivers. What is it especially about Dodge truck drivers?

Xtrema
01-05-2010, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by rotten42
What is it especially about Dodge truck drivers?

Because they have RAMs.

*rimshot*

asia9898
01-05-2010, 01:56 PM
The roads today weren't that bad at all......there have been days 10X worse than today

kvanderlaag
01-05-2010, 01:58 PM
Good christ, you'd think these people have never seen snow before.

I was doing 110 in the far right lane on Deerfoot southbound between Barlow and 22X - the lane people are afraid to use because there's a little bit of snow in it.

Assuming you have good tires and something other than an asshole for a brain, there's no reason these road conditions should be causing any trouble.

Xtrema
01-05-2010, 02:02 PM
It gets worse every year. I think we should follow Montreal's mandatory winters law soon.

heavyD
01-05-2010, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Xtrema
It gets worse every year. I think we should follow Montreal's mandatory winters law soon.

I agree. It wasn't even that bad this morning and it's mayhem. People should start considering that the extra $800 can save their lives and stop putting the onus on the city to make the streets safer for unsafe vehicles.

FraserB
01-05-2010, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Xtrema
It gets worse every year. I think we should follow Montreal's mandatory winters law soon.

Here we go again.:nut:

kevie88
01-05-2010, 02:10 PM
Mandatory winters please!

kevie88
01-05-2010, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by FraserB


Here we go again.:nut:

Lol!

max_boost
01-05-2010, 02:17 PM
No seriously, just because the 20 of you on Beyond can drive doesn't mean the rest of the City can. So take one for the team and go for mandatory winter tires alright!

The commute wasn't even that bad, yeah slick in some areas but if you don't have the proper tires and you don't have the skills either which is 95% of this City, you better at least get the proper tires!

kvanderlaag
01-05-2010, 02:32 PM
I fully support mandatory winter tires. The only people who would complain, I would think, are the people who don't already have them and don't want to spend money on their car.

If you have any business driving in the winter anyways, you already have winter tires - the only people this would negatively affect are the people who have shown that they place little importance on the safety of themselves and others.

Twin_Cam_Turbo
01-05-2010, 02:37 PM
I support mandatory winter tires, because at some point someone elses winter tires might save mine and my families lives.

weeznah
01-05-2010, 03:26 PM
got a call from a buddy going northbound deerfoot and at southland and deerfoot a car spun out causing an accident then the car that was spinning jumped the boulevard and hit a light stand,knocking it over to southbound traffic and landed square on the roof of another vehicle causing another accident on that side,people are dumb, if you have any question that your driver skill isnt good enough for 1/2 cm of snow STAY HOME.

thetransporter
01-05-2010, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by max_boost
No seriously, just because the 20 of you on Beyond can drive doesn't mean the rest of the City can. So take one for the team and go for mandatory winter tires alright!

The commute wasn't even that bad, yeah slick in some areas but if you don't have the proper tires and you don't have the skills either which is 95% of this City, you better at least get the proper tires!


I am sorry but winters tires can still easly loose control and you can crash and die. Even with my bridgestone blizzack ws-60

Sorath
01-05-2010, 03:29 PM
mandatory winters ftw, but seriously though winter tires doesnt save stupid people. and it doesnt make the car invincible

Tik-Tok
01-05-2010, 03:33 PM
Just got home from work, driving Mcknight to Glenmore on Deerfoot, there were 7 cars in the ditch. None of them were spun, most looked like they went into the ditch to avoid hitting the car in front of them.

01RedDX
01-05-2010, 03:40 PM
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kenny
01-05-2010, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by thetransporter
I am sorry but winters tires can still easly loose control and you can crash and die. Even with my bridgestone blizzack ws-60

You're missing the point. Winters don't make vehicles stick to the road like velcro but it helps by providing additional traction which would help 99% of the drivers out there.

The same people that say winters are not required are the same people that drive 30 under the limit, begin stopping for the red light 50 car lengths before the light and then when they are stopped they take 20s to get going when the light finally goes green.

Going back to your comment, yes with winters you can easily lose control, but with all-seasons you will lose control even easier.

InLoveWitRSX
01-05-2010, 03:42 PM
DO NOT TAKE DEERFOOT SOUTH!!! Its a stop at multiple locations like deerfoot and barlow and memorial and deerfoot. Total blockage.

max_boost
01-05-2010, 03:51 PM
I just drove by Deerfoot South but I turned off on Peigan. Oh shit, FYL if you are stuck in that shit.

scat19
01-05-2010, 03:57 PM
Thanks for the headsup boys - gave my coworker a heads up.

Tomaz
01-05-2010, 04:16 PM
I work right by the Deerfoot in and Casino. all i can hear is sirens passing by the office. I cant see the traffic, but i can only assume it's bad.

beyond_ban
01-05-2010, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Tomaz
I work right by the Deerfoot in and Casino. all i can hear is sirens passing by the office. I cant see the traffic, but i can only assume it's bad.

Me too. It doesn't look terrible, but i guess poor drivers decide the traffic conditions for the rest of us.

911fever
01-05-2010, 04:27 PM
Mandatory winters ftw

JAYMEZ
01-05-2010, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by 911fever
Mandatory winters ftw


:werd:

psycoticclown
01-05-2010, 04:32 PM
FML... gotta go down to Lethbridge today so I was gonna take Deerfoot south... guess not anymore.

JfuckinC
01-05-2010, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by Tomaz
I work right by the Deerfoot in and Casino. all i can hear is sirens passing by the office. I cant see the traffic, but i can only assume it's bad.

haha same, but i can see it, its moving both directions!

88CRX
01-05-2010, 04:35 PM
How the fuck is it still bad??? FML!!!!!

Are there any traffic cams on deerfoot?

CdnSilverStreak
01-05-2010, 05:03 PM
Wow, I can't believe you guys are dealing with this stupid weather today. It's nice here in E-town but real cold... you'd think we would have these roads right now.

ekguy
01-05-2010, 05:08 PM
how does such little amount of snow cause so much confusion and dumbassery in a city who's been having winters since before it was a city?

Lex350
01-05-2010, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by thetransporter



I am sorry but winters tires can still easly loose control and you can crash and die. Even with my bridgestone blizzack ws-60


I agree. I have winters on my car and it was very slippery for me.....mind you my car sucks in the winter.

2EFNFAST
01-05-2010, 05:29 PM
Deerfoot, esp. around Southland, must have gotten really bad. When I went by around 1 (heading North) it wasn't too bad. However, heading back (around 3) it was like black ice every 5ft.

I keep having my back-end slide out on me; even did a 180* after the overpass, but managed to save it since nobody was beside me. I don't know WTF is wrong with Deerfoot today - I was doing 70, straight line, one minute I'm going straight, next second my back end has spun out and I'm heading for the wall. :thumbsdow

Xtrema
01-05-2010, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by ekguy
how does such little amount of snow cause so much confusion and dumbassery in a city who's been having winters since before it was a city?

We used to be able to handle it when there isn't a million cars on the roads. Now there is, we need better equipment to keep things moving.

And eventually, it will hit us as insurance premium increases even we are being responsible.

ekguy
01-05-2010, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Xtrema


We used to be able to handle it when there isn't a million cars on the roads. Now there is, we need better equipment to keep things moving.

And eventually, it will hit us as insurance premium increases even we are being responsible.

it's just really frustrating to have to deal with this each and every time a couple snow flakes fall from the sky...

max_boost
01-05-2010, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by rotten42



I agree. I have winters on my car and it was very slippery for me.....mind you my car sucks in the winter.

I noticed the IS350 in your 'what you drive'. You should do what pinoyhero did, sell it and buy a BMW cause they are better in winter. :D

urban.one
01-05-2010, 06:38 PM
Holy frick. Elbow was backed up on my commute home. Sounds like everyone is taking alternate routes to get south and Elbow and Mcleod are a parking lot as a result.

grizz
01-05-2010, 06:38 PM
From Calgary Citybeat:

From 6:00 AM to 5:00 PM on Tuesday the 5 January 2009 the Calgary Police Service investigated 14 injury collisions (none were life threatening), 175 property damage collisions and 32 hit & run collisions.

urban.one
01-05-2010, 06:49 PM
i just heard this on the radio.

32 hit n run? wtf


Originally posted by grizz
From Calgary Citybeat:

From 6:00 AM to 5:00 PM on Tuesday the 5 January 2009 the Calgary Police Service investigated 14 injury collisions (none were life threatening), 175 property damage collisions and 32 hit & run collisions.

Sorath
01-05-2010, 07:05 PM
man wtf, its cause of bronco and his cost saving measures on snow removal to fund his stupid bridge thats why we're dealing with this bullshit

edit: I'm done work and i gotta head south :(

Jesus fuck

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rage2
01-05-2010, 07:46 PM
It's ice that's making it slippery out there. The roads are clear, just a nice layer of black ice thanks to the melt we experienced over the weekend.

Supa Dexta
01-05-2010, 07:47 PM
The odd time I am in town and facing a couple hour wait to head south I just leave the city for the range roads. I'd rather spend my time driving then sitting in traffic.

89s1
01-05-2010, 07:55 PM
Winter tires don't cure stupidity. People need to realize this.

kevie88
01-05-2010, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by 89s1
Winter tires don't cure stupidity. People need to realize this.

But all seasons or summers do?

kvanderlaag
01-05-2010, 08:15 PM
I love all the bandwagoning naysayers who just keep retorting with "OMFG PEOPLE ARE STUPID WINTER TIRES WON'T FIX IT BLAH BLAH BLAH".

Yes. We realize that winter tires do not make drivers smarter.

However, they do provide a larger margin of error, so the idiotic things that people do might have a better chance of not killing someone else. If someone can explain to me how NOT making winter tires mandatory will make things better than enforcing mandatory winter tires, I will change my opinion.

However, you all seem to be saying that winter tires won't make things better. I disagree, and the logic is fairly sound. An idiot with winter tires is going to be safer than an idiot without winter tires, assuming identical driving habits in both situations. How many of those collisions today do you think might have been avoided if the vehicles involved were properly equipped?

Yes, I am aware that the potential is that someone with winter tires will assume that they can then drive as fast as they want, erroneously. I do not believe this is a valid argument against mandating winter tires in the city/province. The rate of occurrence would not be high enough, I wouldn't think, to offset the benefits.

kevie88
01-05-2010, 08:33 PM
Another way to look at it is this:

Driver A is stopped at a light
Driver B is retarded and rolling on summers. He doesn't realise he's going too fast for conditions. He slams on the brakes, and he slows a bit but not enough. He hits the car in front. If he had 20 more feet, he would have made it.

Winters would have given him those 20 feet. It would have got him a little worked up with the adrenaline however,
and he would have thought twice about paying more attention.

Or conversely, driver A rounds a bend going 10 kph too fast for the conditions. He slides off the road and into a parked car.

He would have made it if he had winters. Probably would have slid a little and had way more warning that he was in trouble, and would have backed off a little for the next corner.

The performance envelope is so much bigger with winters. I truly believe that anyone who doesn't think that winters are nessesary are not car enthusiasts, and are not performance drivers.

89s1
01-05-2010, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by kevie88


But all seasons or summers do?

ugh what? Where the hell did I say that?

Stupid people with winter tires will still crash, and I dare say they will crash just as much as on all seasons. :drama:

I drove to crossiron mills today saw a car in the ditch on the way there. On the way back a huge pile of brake lights come on about as far as visibility allowed up around a bend. I took the McKnight exit, drove past a 5 or 6 car pileup that was the reason for all the brake lights.

I'll take being alert, with good driving skills over a set of mandatory winters any day. :dunno:

That.Guy.S30
01-05-2010, 09:19 PM
I have winters on and its abit slippery out right now. the rear end comes out pretty easy, just gotta watch the gas pedal. But im with all with winter tires, I cannot imagine my car with allseasons in this weather.

speedog
01-05-2010, 09:28 PM
Did a 50 minute commute tonight from Bridlewood to Huntington Hills via Macleod Trail and Center Street. Normally would have been 40-45 minutes on Deerfoot - was a very good thing to sit in the car for a few minutes after leaving the biz listening to 660 and 770 on the AM dial and the city's FM traffic station. Everything on the radio indicated Deerfoot was a gong show tonight and thus the alternate route.

kevie88
01-05-2010, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by 89s1


ugh what? Where the hell did I say that?

Stupid people with winter tires will still crash, and I dare say they will crash just as much as on all seasons. :drama:

I'll take being alert, with good driving skills over a set of mandatory winters any day. :dunno:

now take your good skills, and alertness and combine them with a set of winter tires and you'll be a winter weapon. Right now you're only 70 percent of what you could be.

ArjayAquino
01-05-2010, 10:48 PM
Does anyone know how deerfoot is right now? I need to go to the airport around 11 from Mckenzie towne area.

SScott
01-05-2010, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by ArjayAquino
Does anyone know how deerfoot is right now? I need to go to the airport around 11 from Mckenzie towne area.

You'll be okay, i just took deerfoot from 130th all the way to Peigan and had absolutely no problems. AWD, but All seasons, no slipping, but you have to be careful and wary of the other drivers, average speed i did on deerfoot was about 80km/h

Better safe than sorry

ArjayAquino
01-05-2010, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by SScott


You'll be okay, i just took deerfoot from 130th all the way to Peigan and had absolutely no problems. AWD, but All seasons, no slipping, but you have to be careful and wary of the other drivers, average speed i did on deerfoot was about 80km/h

Better safe than sorry

cool thanks for the heads up.

89s1
01-06-2010, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by kevie88


now take your good skills, and alertness and combine them with a set of winter tires and you'll be a winter weapon. Right now you're only 70 percent of what you could be.

I already have 8 tires in my basement, the last thing I need is more. :nut:

The car I usually put the winters on is parked this winter, and the rims they are mounted to don't clear the brakes on the car I drive everyday.

Lex350
01-06-2010, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by max_boost


I noticed the IS350 in your 'what you drive'. You should do what pinoyhero did, sell it and buy a BMW cause they are better in winter. :D


NEVER!

ShermanEF9
01-06-2010, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by 89s1
Winter tires don't cure stupidity. People need to realize this.

im with you on this one. winter tires will only give calgarians 4x4 syndrome. they will think they can drive as they would in perfect conditions all because they have winter tires.

kenny
01-06-2010, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by ShermanEF9
im with you on this one. winter tires will only give calgarians 4x4 syndrome. they will think they can drive as they would in perfect conditions all because they have winter tires.

As with any large population, there will be a small minority that will do that and end up going over the limit and crash. However, you will not see 80% of a green light wasted because the guy at the front of the line on his all seasons spins his tires all the way through the intersection. You wont see all three lanes of any road going uphill occupied by people spinning their tires not going anywhere. You wont see cars going 40 in an 80 zone because their car can't go any faster without losing control.

Deerfoot wouldn't slow to a craw everytime it snowedl if winters were mandatory.

nonlinear
01-06-2010, 11:32 AM
i support plowing the fucking roads, like every other major north american city does.

i just got back from 2 weeks in St. Paul/Minneapolis, where we had seriously 2 feet of snow over 2 days and the roads were drivable at posted speeds the entire time. fuck, I can't believe how ass backwards the city of calgary is on snow removal.

I drove 20 hours from st. paul/minneapolis to calgary, and as soon as I entered calgary, I noticed how dirty and shitty all of the cars and roads looked, because the approach here is to leave the snow and dump ROCKS (not sand) all over the fucking roads in hopes that it will provide traction. it's these same rocks that chip the hell out of my windshield and paint everytime i drive on crowchild, glenmore or deerfoot. pull your head out of your ass, city of calgary, and plow the fucking roads :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

and then yesterday I was down near deerfoot and barlow, and watched this stupid little city plow truck drive in front of me, with his center plow down. he was plowing, and yet it had ABSOLUTELY no effect on the road, because the plow is too small, not enough force down, and they're trying to remove ice that's been caked on the road for a month and a half. they need to replace those 'toy' plows with real plow trucks, and have them out on all the roads as the snow is falling, so the roads don't turn to skating rinks like they always do.

revelations
01-06-2010, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by kenny


As with any large population, there will be a small minority that will do that and end up going over the limit and crash. However, you will not see 80% of a green light wasted because the guy at the front of the line on his all seasons spins his tires all the way through the intersection. You wont see all three lanes of any road going uphill occupied by people spinning their tires not going anywhere. You wont see cars going 40 in an 80 zone because their car can't go any faster without losing control.

Deerfoot wouldn't slow to a craw everytime it snowedl if winters were mandatory.

While I agree with all this, at the same time I dont think it will make a HUGE difference overall in how the city drives.

Yes, there would be less crashes and less people spinning out at a green light but many people drive paranoid at the first sign of a snow flake.

This is why you have the Deerfoot backed up with no accidents during the first snow fall - even when there is no snow on the ground. People freak out.

Traffic moves only as fast as the slowest car. So if you have 3 people driving white knuckled and panicked on each lane of the DF - thats as fast as youll go - whether they have snow tires or not.

I still think mandatory tires would be a good idea - just dont expect it to be a miracle on the roads as far as the city traffic goes.

Since this is a car forum, most of us are capable drivers who understand the limits of our vehicles, and adjust to conditions. Unfortunately, most people dont have this sense. They simply get in their car and push the gas pedal.

max_boost
01-06-2010, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by kevie88
Another way to look at it is this:

Driver A is stopped at a light
Driver B is retarded and rolling on summers. He doesn't realise he's going too fast for conditions. He slams on the brakes, and he slows a bit but not enough. He hits the car in front. If he had 20 more feet, he would have made it.

Winters would have given him those 20 feet. It would have got him a little worked up with the adrenaline however,
and he would have thought twice about paying more attention.

Or conversely, driver A rounds a bend going 10 kph too fast for the conditions. He slides off the road and into a parked car.

He would have made it if he had winters. Probably would have slid a little and had way more warning that he was in trouble, and would have backed off a little for the next corner.

The performance envelope is so much bigger with winters. I truly believe that anyone who doesn't think that winters are nessesary are not car enthusiasts, and are not performance drivers.

Yeah man. Let's face it, the MAJORITY will be better off if everyone had winter tires. Take one for the team. End of story.

This morning I had to turn off on Peigan Trail because Deerfoot South started backing up and it turned out to be a minor pileup just passed the Peigan exit. I didn't want to risk being stuck on Deerfoot in case it was further down road on the bridge. I'm willing to bet they didn't have winter tires on. :rofl:

alloroc
01-06-2010, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by CdnSilverStreak
Wow, I can't believe you guys are dealing with this stupid weather today. It's nice here in E-town but real cold... you'd think we would have these roads right now.

I was in Edmonton over new year's. They are doing a WAY better job of sanding etc. than they are here.

nonlinear
01-06-2010, 12:56 PM
i really hope snow removal becomes an issue in this year's municipal election.

Zhariak
01-06-2010, 12:58 PM
Yesterday I was on Deerfoot north right where that Semi jackknifed...

So anyways, People are having trouble coping with merging to move over for the accident...

I'm behind some car that is having trouble driving in a straight line...


Police officer crosses deerfoot, everyone stops (thank god)...

We all start moving, the guy in front of me starts drifting to the right, and literally almost fucking smoked the cop doing 5km/hour... Then swirves just as he realizes his mirror is 3 inches from the cop...


Anyways, for some reason. This car decides to stop (I don't know if it was to apoligize or what...

He comes to a complete stop (wasn't flagged by the cop), without signalling, or anything...

Then After the accident is clear, I start to hit the glenmore exit... Some chick in a fucking civic on her cell phone is STILL doing 5km/hour with NOOOO car's infront of her....

Stuck doing 10km/hour all the way from deerfoot to the light where you turn right to hit the look to get into glenmore east...

Gawd ppl are fucking stupid...

I STILL can't beleive that car almost hit the cop (by simply drifting slowly to the right)... WTF???

Why does everyone need to slow down and view these accidents?

Dumbass17
01-06-2010, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by beyond_ban
Calgary drivers should all head down to the shooting edge and get their business done.
dude, come on :(

kenny
01-06-2010, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by nonlinear
i really hope snow removal becomes an issue in this year's municipal election.

It'll be warmer by then and everyone will be in "no tax increase" mode. Anything that comes with a pricetag will be shot down because they'll have forgotten how crappy the roads were when there was snow/ice everywhere.

tunasandwich
01-06-2010, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by SScott


You'll be okay, i just took deerfoot from 130th all the way to Peigan and had absolutely no problems. AWD, but All seasons, no slipping, but you have to be careful and wary of the other drivers, average speed i did on deerfoot was about 80km/h



Its the idiots like you that cause accidents!! I was doing 100 no problem in a one ton NON awd workvan from 22x up to country hills around 11ish.


Originally posted by SScott



Better safe than sorry


yeah, Better safe doing the speed limit on dry pavement then doing 80km!

Jeremiah
01-06-2010, 03:05 PM
be careful out there

5hift
01-06-2010, 03:37 PM
From my experience its the guys with the AWD and winter tires causing the big problems thinking they can drive like they normally do.

While going the speed limit in the slow lane, my girlfriend and I got smoked from behind by some tool in a new S4 with winter tires. While we were waiting by the side exchanging info and waiting for tow trucks, he wouldn't shut up about how this has never happened before and his car is amazing in the snow.

SScott
01-06-2010, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by tunasandwich


Its the idiots like you that cause accidents!! I was doing 100 no problem in a one ton NON awd workvan from 22x up to country hills around 11ish.




yeah, Better safe doing the speed limit on dry pavement then doing 80km!


Shut your fucking mouth you dumb fuck.

I wasn't holding anyone up, thats the speed everyone was going.

I was simply following the flow of traffic and being extremely cautious.

Idiots like you cause accidents, by driving the posted speed limit regardless of weather conditions.

ArjayAquino
01-06-2010, 04:39 PM
^^ +1.

kevie88
01-06-2010, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by 5hift
From my experience its the guys with the AWD and winter tires causing the big problems thinking they can drive like they normally do.

While going the speed limit in the slow lane, my girlfriend and I got smoked from behind by some tool in a new S4 with winter tires. While we were waiting by the side exchanging info and waiting for tow trucks, he wouldn't shut up about how this has never happened before and his car is amazing in the snow.

proof or it didn't happen.

FiveFreshFish
01-06-2010, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by 5hift
From my experience its the guys texting and talking on cell phones causing the big problems thinking they can drive like they normally do.

Fixed.

heavyD
01-07-2010, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by nonlinear
i support plowing the fucking roads, like every other major north american city does.

i just got back from 2 weeks in St. Paul/Minneapolis, where we had seriously 2 feet of snow over 2 days and the roads were drivable at posted speeds the entire time. fuck, I can't believe how ass backwards the city of calgary is on snow removal.

I drove 20 hours from st. paul/minneapolis to calgary, and as soon as I entered calgary, I noticed how dirty and shitty all of the cars and roads looked, because the approach here is to leave the snow and dump ROCKS (not sand) all over the fucking roads in hopes that it will provide traction. it's these same rocks that chip the hell out of my windshield and paint everytime i drive on crowchild, glenmore or deerfoot. pull your head out of your ass, city of calgary, and plow the fucking roads :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

That's funny as I had a couple of customers from Minneapolis down and when we went for lunch they were kind of miffed that we put gravel on paved roads.

Other cities do it far better than Calgary. Proper plow trucks, real sand not rocks that all get dispersed after the first 50 cars pass. I love it when the city used the word sanding. Tell it like it is. Plow trucks are expensive, sand is expensive, small trucks and rocks are cheap that's why our snow removal is substandard. It's never going to get better until people in charge of snow removal are changed out and the city starts providing proper funding.

25 million could buy a few proper trucks and real sand but city hall thinks it better spent on an ugly bridge that isn't required and will now provide shelter for crack heads and meth addicts. Speak up when it's time to vote people.

heavyD
01-07-2010, 08:13 AM
Originally posted by 5hift
From my experience its the guys with the AWD and winter tires causing the big problems thinking they can drive like they normally do.

I have AWD and winter tires. I still driver proper for the conditions so I guess your theory is rebuffed. If there is a group that does seem to drive like they normally do the closest would be pickup truck drivers as those are the ones I see the most passing and speeding by people in poor conditions.

Abeo
01-07-2010, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by heavyD
I have AWD and winter tires. I still driver proper for the conditions so I guess your theory is rebuffed. If there is a group that does seem to drive like they normally do the closest would be 4wd pickup truck drivers as those are the ones I see the most passing and speeding by people in poor conditions.

Fixed. Driving a 2wd truck is frightening and difficult when it gets icy.

kenny
01-07-2010, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by heavyD
It's never going to get better until people in charge of snow removal are changed out and the city starts providing proper funding.

25 million could buy a few proper trucks and real sand but city hall thinks it better spent on an ugly bridge that isn't required and will now provide shelter for crack heads and meth addicts. Speak up when it's time to vote people.

The issue is not the people that are in charge of snow removal at City Hall. They know how to plow every single street (including residential) down to pavement after each snowfall. The issue is where is the money going to come from? This problem wont go away until a large majority of Calgarians realize that these services don't come for free.

One thing for sure though is that the pedestrian bridges being built are completely irrelevant in this debate. The money for these bridges did not come out of general revenue. The Province provided the money for infrastructure projects and even these are not specifically for vehicular infrastructure.

You said to speak up when it comes time to vote, but who do you think Calgarians will vote for:

Candidate A - Will raise taxes, transit fees will go up 100%, but you will get better road maintenance in the winter and buses will come every 5 minutes 24/7. The buses will be heated in the winter and will have A/C in the summer.

Candidate B - Will keep taxes the same or lower them. Transit fares will remain the same for the next 2-3 years. Snow removal will be pretty much the same. Buses will be freezing in the winter, but that is if it actually comes to your stop during a heavy snowfall.

Calgarians will stop reading (listening) after the emphasized portions on these mock platforms, vote for Candidate B and we'll be bitching about snow removal again but horray, no increase in taxes!

Tomaz
01-07-2010, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by kenny


The issue is not the people that are in charge of snow removal at City Hall. They know how to plow every single street (including residential) down to pavement after each snowfall. The issue is where is the money going to come from? This problem wont go away until a large majority of Calgarians realize that these services don't come for free.

One thing for sure though is that the pedestrian bridges being built are completely irrelevant in this debate. The money for these bridges did not come out of general revenue. The Province provided the money for infrastructure projects and even these are not specifically for vehicular infrastructure.

You said to speak up when it comes time to vote, but who do you think Calgarians will vote for:

Candidate A - Will raise taxes, transit fees will go up 100%, but you will get better road maintenance in the winter and buses will come every 5 minutes 24/7. The buses will be heated in the winter and will have A/C in the summer.

Candidate B - Will keep taxes the same or lower them. Transit fares will remain the same for the next 2-3 years. Snow removal will be pretty much the same. Buses will be freezing in the winter, but that is if it actually comes to your stop during a heavy snowfall.

Calgarians will stop reading (listening) after the emphasized portions on these mock platforms, vote for Candidate B and we'll be bitching about snow removal again but horray, no increase in taxes!

Democracy is a great theroy!

I guess the same can be said for ANY government structure, but still. I think i would pay tax for awesome services!

tunasandwich
01-07-2010, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by SScott


You'll be okay, i just took deerfoot from 130th all the way to Peigan and had absolutely no problems. AWD, but All seasons, no slipping but you have to be careful and wary of the other drivers, average speed i did on deerfoot was about 80km/h






Originally posted by SScott



Idiots like you cause accidents, by driving the posted speed limit regardless of weather conditions.


Dude you clearly said there was no slipping, and I was on the road at that time and it was dry pavement. But hey, If you honestly think driving 80 on a dry pavement highway is safe then go nuts :facepalm:

SScott
01-07-2010, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by tunasandwich







Dude you clearly said there was no slipping, and I was on the road at that time and it was dry pavement. But hey, If you honestly think driving 80 on a dry pavement highway is safe then go nuts :facepalm:

No slipping because i was driving cautiously.

OH NVM, because i didn't slip means the roads were the best conditions ever!

You're right man, thanks for clearing it up, the guy whos scared of a teeny bopper gangbanger is a real macho man rollin out in a 2WD 1 Ton on the highway. Carryon Keyboard Macho Man.. OOOOHHH YEEEEEAAHHHH

tunasandwich
01-07-2010, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by SScott


No slipping because i was driving cautiously.

OH NVM, because i didn't slip means the roads were the best conditions ever!

You're right man, thanks for clearing it up, the guy whos scared of a teeny bopper gangbanger is a real macho man rollin out in a 2WD 1 Ton on the highway. Carryon Keyboard Macho Man.. OOOOHHH YEEEEEAAHHHH


You werent slipping cause you were driving to slow. Its really not that hard to comprehend there bud.









Originally posted by SScott



Shut your fucking mouth you dumb fuck.



Ahem, Im the Keyboard macho man?

SScott
01-08-2010, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by tunasandwich


Its the idiots like you that cause accidents!! I was doing 100 no problem in a one ton NON awd workvan from 22x up to country hills around 11ish.




yeah, Better safe doing the speed limit on dry pavement then doing 80km!


Originally posted by tunasandwich







Dude you clearly said there was no slipping, and I was on the road at that time and it was dry pavement. But hey, If you honestly think driving 80 on a dry pavement highway is safe then go nuts :facepalm:

You said you were driving at 11pm, i was driving at 7pm and about 830 on the way back....big difference.



Originally posted by tunasandwich



You werent slipping cause you were driving to slow. Its really not that hard to comprehend there bud.










Ahem, Im the Keyboard macho man?

I thought i wasn't slipping because the roads were clear?

Which one is it? Maybe its a little more difficult to comprehend than you originally thought?

pyroza
01-08-2010, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by heavyD


That's funny as I had a couple of customers from Minneapolis down and when we went for lunch they were kind of miffed that we put gravel on paved roads.

Other cities do it far better than Calgary. Proper plow trucks, real sand not rocks that all get dispersed after the first 50 cars pass. I love it when the city used the word sanding. Tell it like it is. Plow trucks are expensive, sand is expensive, small trucks and rocks are cheap that's why our snow removal is substandard. It's never going to get better until people in charge of snow removal are changed out and the city starts providing proper funding.

25 million could buy a few proper trucks and real sand but city hall thinks it better spent on an ugly bridge that isn't required and will now provide shelter for crack heads and meth addicts. Speak up when it's time to vote people.

California with all its budget cuts still manages to sand mountain roads and it works great. Is it really that much more expensive?

nonlinear
01-08-2010, 12:54 AM
i wonder how much the city has to pay each spring for the crews that have to go and jackhammer and remove the fucking half foot of ice off all the roads. :nut:

heavyD
01-08-2010, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by pyroza


California with all its budget cuts still manages to sand mountain roads and it works great. Is it really that much more expensive?

American governments are willing to spend much more on roads than Canadian governments.

I couldn't tell you the costs but I assume that sand is more expensive especially since you pay by weight. A truck full of gravel will weigh less than a truck full of sand. Sand works so much better and stays on the road longer so obviously cost is the probibitive factor for city hall.

kevie88
01-08-2010, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by nonlinear
i wonder how much the city has to pay each spring for the crews that have to go and jackhammer and remove the fucking half foot of ice off all the roads. :nut:


They don't do that so I'll say $0.00


I don't know where most of you guys are, but I went downtown and back to Tuscany a couple of times in the last week, and I didn't drive on a single road that wasn't plowed..

alloroc
01-08-2010, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by pyroza


California with all its budget cuts still manages to sand mountain roads and it works great. Is it really that much more expensive?

California has a population base as big as Canada. Sanding a few roads won't even be a blip on the budget.

The problem is that we use a mix that is mostly comprised of salt. On colder days the salt snow mix is quickly compacted into black ice.

On the good side when is does warm up above 12°C or so all that crap will melt and should dry up reasonably quickly.

beyond_ban
01-08-2010, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by kevie88



They don't do that so I'll say $0.00


I don't know where most of you guys are, but I went downtown and back to Tuscany a couple of times in the last week, and I didn't drive on a single road that wasn't plowed..

After the last snow fall, my block got plowed for the first time. To bad they plowed it off to both sides so now there is no where to park, unless your car can climb a mountain. The road was narrow enough as is, but with the added ridges its retarded. Three cars at my house, only room for 2 in the garage/on the driveway. I guess the '10 snow removal budget sure has helped thus far :rolleyes:

atgilchrist
01-08-2010, 09:58 AM
^ People bitch when their road isn't plowed, they bitch when their road is plowed and they have to deal with the snowbank, and they bitch of they have to pay the taxes to cover the cost of the vastly more expensive snow removal. There is no right answer.

beyond_ban
01-08-2010, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by atgilchrist
^ People bitch when their road isn't plowed, they bitch when their road is plowed and they have to deal with the snowbank, and they bitch of they have to pay the taxes to cover the cost of the vastly more expensive snow removal. There is no right answer.

That being said... If they would have plowed my street when i could not drive on it after our first big snowfall (i had to park two blocks away) i would have been all for it. BUT, no, they plow it when there is a hard crust of snow that is easily driven on. It's not that they can't do the job properly, they just don't.

atgilchrist
01-08-2010, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by beyond_ban


That being said... If they would have plowed my street when i could not drive on it after our first big snowfall (i had to park two blocks away) i would have been all for it. BUT, no, they plow it when there is a hard crust of snow that is easily driven on. It's not that they can't do the job properly, they just don't.

OK, I'll agree with you there, that sucks.

tunasandwich
01-08-2010, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by ArjayAquino
Does anyone know how deerfoot is right now? I need to go to the airport around 11 from Mckenzie towne area.


Originally posted by SScott

You'll be okay, i just took deerfoot

@01-05-2010 09:57 PM

dude you reply to buddy at 10 oclock saying you just got off the roads, i was on the roads a whoppin hour later. I dont recall a blizzard rollin through anywhere around that time. Lets get serious, the roads were most likely the same condition as when you were on them. Personal opinion, I think you were driving to slow, get over it



Originally posted by SScott

I thought i wasn't slipping because the roads were clear?

Which one is it? Maybe its a little more difficult to comprehend than you originally thought?

And its still pretty easy to comprehend man, you werent slipping cause you were driving like grandma and the roads were perefectly clear!:banghead: