View Full Version : Toyota suspending sales
Supa Dexta
01-26-2010, 05:41 PM
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/toyota-temporarily-suspends-sales-of-selected-vehicles-82724272.html
TORRANCE, Calif., Jan. 26 /PRNewswire/ -- Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., today announced that it is instructing Toyota dealers to temporarily suspend sales of eight models involved in the recall for sticking accelerator pedal, announced on January 21, 2010.
\\"Helping ensure the safety of our customers and restoring confidence in Toyota are very important to our company,\\" said Group Vice President and Toyota Division General Manager Bob Carter. \\"This action is necessary until a remedy is finalized. We're making every effort to address this situation for our customers as quickly as possible.\\"
Toyota announced it would recall approximately 2.3 million vehicles to correct sticking accelerator pedals on specific Toyota Division models. Toyota has investigated isolated reports of sticking accelerator pedal mechanisms in certain vehicles without the presence of floor mats. There is a possibility that certain accelerator pedal mechanisms may, in rare instances, mechanically stick in a partially depressed position or return slowly to the idle position.
Toyota's accelerator pedal recall and suspension of sales is confined to the following Toyota Division vehicles:
2009-2010 RAV4,
2009-2010 Corolla,
2009-2010 Matrix,
2005-2010 Avalon,
Certain 2007-2010 Camry,
2010 Highlander,
2007-2010 Tundra,
2008-2010 Sequoia
No Lexus Division or Scion vehicles are affected by these actions. Also not affected are Toyota Prius, Tacoma, Sienna, Venza, Solara, Yaris, 4Runner, FJ Cruiser, Land Cruiser and select Camry models, including all Camry hybrids, which will remain for sale.
Due to the sales suspension, Toyota is expected to stop producing vehicles on the following production lines for the week of February 1 to assess and coordinate activities. The North America vehicle production facilities affected are:
Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Canada (Corolla, Matrix, and RAV4)
Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Indiana (Sequoia and Highlander)
Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Kentucky – Line 1 (Camry and Avalon)
Subaru of Indiana Automotive, Inc. (Camry)
Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Texas (Tundra)
No other North American Toyota vehicle production facilities are affected by the decision to stop production.
The sticking accelerator pedal recall is separate from the on-going recall of Toyota and Lexus vehicles to reduce the risk of pedal entrapment by incorrect or out of place accessory floor mats. Approximately 1.7 million Toyota Division vehicles are subject to both separate recall actions.
Xtrema
01-26-2010, 05:54 PM
Wow, serious and bold move.
Zhariak
01-26-2010, 06:01 PM
Supsending?
Redlyne_mr2
01-26-2010, 06:05 PM
Wow that's nuts.
Supa Dexta
01-26-2010, 06:05 PM
Oh my god a typo! I wonder how you will ever figure out what this thread is about now!
...One that I can't edit, so mod'er up...
Jlude
01-26-2010, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by Zhariak
Supsending?
I'm sure by switching the p and s, the whole thread now makes sense to you.
But nice of you to only comment on the spelling mistake in the title... :facepalm:
max_boost
01-26-2010, 06:21 PM
That's crazy! but better take care of it now.
I had my own mat sticking to the pedal experience a couple weeks ago. Washed my driver floor mats, just threw it in the car without making sure it was aligned, started it up, unknowingly did a semi- burn out/high rev out of the Centex car wash bay on Center Street. It fucking stunk up the place and I was really caught off guard. Now I can't even imagine it at over 100kms/h racing down the highway. Hell the people behind me were thinking, WTF is wrong with this kid?!?! :nut: :guns:
JfuckinC
01-26-2010, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by Jlude
I'm sure by switching the p and s, the whole thread now makes sense to you.
But nice of you to only comment on the spelling mistake in the title... :facepalm:
Come on, lots of loser regulars do it and don't get hassled :dunno:
?????
01-26-2010, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by max_boost
That's crazy! but better take care of it now.
I had my own mat sticking to the pedal experience a couple weeks ago. Washed my driver floor mats, just threw it in the car without making sure it was aligned, started it up, unknowingly did a semi- burn out/high rev out of the Centex car wash bay on Center Street. It fucking stunk up the place and I was really caught off guard. Now I can't even imagine it at over 100kms/h racing down the highway. Hell the people behind me were thinking, WTF is wrong with this kid?!?! :nut: :guns:
The mat one is a different recall.
heavyD
01-26-2010, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by max_boost
That's crazy! but better take care of it now.
I had my own mat sticking to the pedal experience a couple weeks ago. Washed my driver floor mats, just threw it in the car without making sure it was aligned, started it up, unknowingly did a semi- burn out/high rev out of the Centex car wash bay on Center Street. It fucking stunk up the place and I was really caught off guard. Now I can't even imagine it at over 100kms/h racing down the highway. Hell the people behind me were thinking, WTF is wrong with this kid?!?! :nut: :guns:
LOL I remember in a previous thread some posters saying that it's no big deal and that the drivers that got into accidents were retards which is totally untrue. It's very dangerous and even the best drivers can be caught off guard.
AA2001
01-27-2010, 12:10 AM
this is crazy! i just heard about this on the news! They're also shutting down 2 plants as well. just Nuts!
speedog
01-27-2010, 08:50 AM
Calgary Herald story (http://communities.canada.com/calgaryherald/blogs/drivebywire/default.aspx)
Edmonton Sun story (http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/world/2010/01/26/12623151-ap.html)
What does this mean for people who are currently driving these vehicles? Yeah, Toyota's going to expedite the accelerator pedal repairs for customers as quickly as possible, but in the mean time do these people keep driving their Toyota's and just hope that something doesn't happen to them?
Masked Bandit
01-27-2010, 09:17 AM
I thought this was all about some ill-fitting floor mats? Is there actually a mechanical problem with these vehicles?
Aleks
01-27-2010, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by Masked Bandit
Is there actually a mechanical problem with these vehicles?
Yes the gas pedal can get stuck down without mat interference.
93mr2gt
01-27-2010, 09:48 AM
first they say is the mats, now is the throttle, whats next....major lawsuits coming..
kvanderlaag
01-27-2010, 10:35 AM
Hey, it's the responsible thing to do.
I know lots of GM owners that are now going on a rampage because "Toyota has been making faulty vehicles for years!"
It's one part. It's probably the SAME part across vehicles, too. Issuing a recall and making sure that nobody else buys an affected vehicle is the responsible thing to do.
Xtrema
01-27-2010, 10:57 AM
Interesting update....
Toyota has confirmed to us that the Camry Hybrid and Highlander Hybrid are not included in the sales suspension. Toyota has also reiterated that no Lexus or Scion models are included as these cars are built in Japan.
Sounds like a supply chain issue for NA made Toyotas.
So the ES350 that started the whole mess is floor mats only?
sillysod
01-27-2010, 11:14 AM
they have been some fatalities due to this....
but now they are saying it isn't mechanical but electronic as it is a drive by wire system
Sorath
01-27-2010, 11:23 AM
sweet :) more sales for honda
Sykes
01-27-2010, 12:02 PM
Seems they had to legally do it.
Toyota has quite the PR nightmare on its hands. The boiling cauldron of complaints surrounding unintended acceleration issues bubbled over this month with two separate but giant recalls. The latest involves eight Toyota models that contain defective accelerator pedal mechanisms that could stick over time due to wear.
There is no fix available for the pedal mechanisms yet and dealers have continued to sell new models affected by the recall, so Toyota announced yesterday that it's suspending the sale and production of these eight models for the week of February 1. It was a bold move that made headlines, as Toyota stands to lose a lot of money. On the other hand, the Japanese automaker got some pats on the back for doing the right thing.
Turns out, the decision to stop producing these vehicles wasn't made by Toyota alone. The Detroit News reports that Toyota is required by law to stop selling the vehicles since there is no fix available yet. David Strickland, the new administrator of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, said that Toyota consulted with his agency, which informed the automaker of its obligations and it complied. That still doesn't answer why these recalled vehicles were being sold five days after the recall was announced.
Nevertheless, Toyota spokesman Mike Michels is reported saying that the company's decision to stop selling the recalled vehicles was voluntary, but that they also had a legal requirement to do so. How do you voluntary do something that you're obligated to do?
In related news, General Motors has confirmed to Autoblog's sister site, AOL Autos, that it is putting a hold on all remaining Pontiac Vibe sales, as the model is under recall for the same throttle issue that afflicts its mechanical twin, the Toyota Matrix. Fortunately for GM, there are apparently only six Vibe units left in stock nationwide as the brand's shutdown continues.
source: autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/27/report-toyota-was-legally-required-to-stop-selling-recalled-mod/)
heavyD
01-27-2010, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by kvanderlaag
Hey, it's the responsible thing to do.
I know lots of GM owners that are now going on a rampage because "Toyota has been making faulty vehicles for years!"
It's one part. It's probably the SAME part across vehicles, too. Issuing a recall and making sure that nobody else buys an affected vehicle is the responsible thing to do.
Well if the shoe was on the other foot posters would be saying stuff like; "GM sucks!", "Typical GM crap!", etc so criticizm is fair. This can't be good for sales or customer perception. It's one thing to worry about the reliability of the car but to have to wonder if the car will put you in a dangerous situation takes worries to a much higher level.
Supa Dexta
01-27-2010, 01:45 PM
I don't know about you guys but I think this shows how strong toyota is.. They can go to these lengths and not worry about sales.. I'm impressed they'd do this. And I drive a GM, but I know toyota brings their A game... If anything it will only make GM raise the bar in the future, so my future vehicles will be better :dunno: The big 3 would be more apt to ignore the problem, and tell the customers it was their fault..
customer> ..whats 'their' fault?..
GM> .. the problem..
customer> ...what problem?
GM..> there is no problem, carry on!
01RedDX
01-27-2010, 01:58 PM
.
Xtrema
01-27-2010, 02:00 PM
Just look at Audi, they had coolant pumps blow up on people for at least 3 years now, stranded hundreds if not thousands. Still no recall.
Toyota did man up, at least they are responsible instead fighting the law the whole way.
Alpine Autowerks
01-27-2010, 02:06 PM
^^^^^^ Supa Dexta
take out GM and insert Toyota. "it's not the car - it's the floor mats"
cough"bulshit"cough
Toyota (the master of de-contenting)tried to build a throttle by wire system without a full suite of secondary (or in the case of m-benz's system - tertiary ) failsafes. They are not doing the "right" thing because of a higher set of sensibilities - they are doing it because they have FUCKED UP and they are killing people.
RUQUIKR
01-27-2010, 02:12 PM
It cracks me up that people on here are saying "they manned up" and "they are doin the right thing". They are only doing what the legally are obligated to do. If it was a domestic company everybody would say its a POS, even though Toyota had the most recalls out of any manufacturer in 2009.
corsvette
01-27-2010, 02:19 PM
Toyota was forced into the production stop,they know this is going to hurt their reputation very much and will likely turn into a HUGE problem. For a company that lost money last year on top of other recent quality issues,this was somthing they did not want to go as public as it has become.
Perhaps the U.S government is just tossing a bone for the domestic makers,this can't be hurting them one bit! I know i will not buy another Toyota after the crazy problems i had with our 07 Camry.
Aleks
01-27-2010, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by 01RedDX
:werd: Not only that, but the big 3 actually had departments dedicated to concealing these issues. For example, Ford would gauge the number of deaths vs. the cost of a recall in deciding whether a vehicle is worth recalling or not, and their death traps were a lot more dangerous.
I am more likely to buy a Toyota/Lexus again because of this.
Who's to say Toyota wouldn't have done the same had NHSTA not steped in?
Xtrema
01-27-2010, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by RUQUIKR
It cracks me up that people on here are saying "they manned up" and "they are doin the right thing". They are only doing what the legally are obligated to do. If it was a domestic company everybody would say its a POS, even though Toyota had the most recalls out of any manufacturer in 2009.
Did Ford stop selling Explorer back when the tire blow up happen? No, they fought it all the way.
BTW
http://jalopnik.com/5458284/toyota-dealership-tries-to-sell-recalled-camry-over-phone
AND
The pedal under the recall are Canadian made
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2010/01/27/toyota-recall-sales-suspension.html
01RedDX
01-27-2010, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Xtrema
Did Ford stop selling Explorer back when the tire blow up happen? No, they fought it all the way.
Lets look at the last couple of years. Ford recalled 4+ million cars because of cruise control switches that start fires. Chrysler recalled millions because of brake failure. GM recalled millions because of engine fires. Much worse than a poorly designed floor mat, if you ask me.
Mechanical and electrical issues speak a lot more about a manufacturer's quality than a fucking floor mat.
bspot
01-27-2010, 03:26 PM
Those of you that think they are handling this because they are "good guys" or a "strong company" have your heads up your asses.
Just like those evil domestic companies, the run the numbers on lawsuits if they don't fix it vs. recall costs and potential lost sales if they do, and pick whatever one gives them more $.
bspot
01-27-2010, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by 01RedDX
Mechanical and electrical issues speak a lot more about a manufacturer's quality than a fucking floor mat.
It's not a floor mat problem.
Its a throttle by wire system.
Talk to anyone who owns one of the affected cars. I have.
Aleks
01-27-2010, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by 01RedDX
Mechanical and electrical issues speak a lot more about a manufacturer's quality than a fucking floor mat.
Glad you agree because Toyota had to stop selling the cars because their gas pedals have mechanical and electrical issues that cause the car to accelerate out of control. This has Nothing to do with floor mat issues from 2009.
And no pressing the brake didn't help in many cases as reported in US.
:burnout:
01RedDX
01-27-2010, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by bspot
It's not a floor mat problem.
Its a throttle by wire system.
Talk to anyone who owns one of the affected cars. I have.
I'm surprised you have, considering there is only a handful of them.
CTS said today the problem identified by Toyota had been reported "fewer than a dozen" times, and "in no instance did the accelerator actually become stuck in a partially depressed condition." It also said it was unaware of any accidents or injuries stemming from the flaw.
Also, did the big 3 ever halt production or sales during one of their major recalls?
corsvette
01-27-2010, 03:52 PM
I allways thought the problems i was having with my new Toyota was transmission related,maybe it was something to do with this throttle system,when i had the car i looked at owners reports from Yahoo auto's and found hundreds of unhappy Camry owners with tranny issues,the trans allways felt like it did not know what the engine/throttle was doing,you could mat it sometimes to merge and nothing would happen for several seconds,then it would downshift and stay in the lower gear after you let off.This was both annoying and dangerous,it was certainly NOT a floormat issue.
heavyD
01-27-2010, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by 01RedDX
I am more likely to buy a Toyota/Lexus again because of this.
I'm the complete opposite. I'm would stay clear of this brand until they get their act together and stop cheaping out on their new cars to stay cost competitive. Toyota has been dodging this for a while blaming the floormats. Like the article said; "How do you voluntary do something that you're obligated to do?" Face the facts fanboys. This isn't the old 1980's - 1990's Toyota. They got too big too fast and now suffer from the same quality issues that plagued GM. Their reliability used to be the envy of the industry and while it isn't terrible by any means their new cars aren't even close to the quality of the products they were putting out in the 90's.
Take already declining reliability into question and add the fact that Toyota has announced; "Toyota has asked its suppliers to cut prices of some parts by 30-40 percent for cars that will hit the market by 2013, the Asahi daily said. The Nikkei business daily also said Toyota plans to switch to less expensive materials and parts."
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BK47P20091222
Sorry but if I'm looking for bland but reliable I'll take my business to Honda.
Masked Bandit
01-27-2010, 04:08 PM
I'm sure Toyota will lose sales over this.
But they won't be going over to GM / Ford / Chrysler
I would be pretty happy right now if I sold Honda or Nissan for a living.
Xtrema
01-27-2010, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by heavyD
Toyota plans to switch to less expensive materials and parts."[/I]
Just look at the Venza. It makes the new GM cars look like Audi.
01RedDX
01-27-2010, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by heavyD
Face the facts fanboys. This isn't the old 1980's - 1990's Toyota. They got too big too fast and now suffer from the same quality issues that plagued GM. Their reliability used to be the envy of the industry and while it isn't terrible by any means their new cars aren't even close to the quality of the products they were putting out in the 90's.
Sorry but if I'm looking for bland but reliable I'll take my business to Honda.
While there is a lot of truth to this, I don't think that Toyota's declining reliability is even the main issue here. Recalls are nothing new - name a manufacturer that hasn't issued a recall. I've purchased 3 new Hondas, and got several recall letters for each one, as well as other annoying bugs and problems, but they addressed them and I still consider them a quality manufacturer.
I think the issue at hand is the manufacturers track record, including the severity and frequency of problems and recalls.
I am sure that if you were to find data on deaths and injuries PRIOR to issuing a recall, or deaths and injuries caused by defects in general, Toyota would not be anywhere close to some of the other, more notorious manufacturers.
962 kid
01-27-2010, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by 01RedDX
I think the issue at hand is the manufacturers track record, including the severity and frequency of problems and recalls.
I am sure that if you were to find data on deaths and injuries PRIOR to issuing a recall, or deaths and injuries caused by defects in general, Toyota would not be anywhere close to some of the other, more notorious manufacturers.
So, it's ok to manufacture faulty products that kill people so long as
a) a recall is issued quickly after people die, and
b) they haven't killed too many people with their cost-cutting measures in the past
That's what I'm getting from your post, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong :dunno: Maybe it's just me but "well Ford did it first" is a pretty pathetic justification
Redlyne_mr2
01-27-2010, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by bspot
It's not a floor mat problem.
Its a throttle by wire system.
From what I've read it's not an actual drive by wire system, it's related to the arm of the accelerator pedal. This arm is made by a company called CTS here in North America and is what has alledgedly been causing the issue.
01RedDX
01-27-2010, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by 962 kid
So, it's ok to manufacture faulty products that kill people so long as
a) a recall is issued quickly after people die, and
b) they haven't killed too many people with their cost-cutting measures in the past
That's what I'm getting from your post, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong :dunno: Maybe it's just me but "well Ford did it first" is a pretty pathetic justification
Not justifying, but acknowledging the ones who manufacture less faulty products. Still sad, I guess.
Xtrema
01-27-2010, 07:18 PM
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/01/60395969opt.jpg
01RedDX
01-27-2010, 07:20 PM
^ :rofl: :rofl:
Sorath
01-27-2010, 07:39 PM
Wow. Honda released crazy rates today to take advantage of the situation
4doorj
01-27-2010, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by Sorath
Wow. Honda released crazy rates today to take advantage of the situation
What are the rates? And for which cars?
jwslam
01-27-2010, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by Zhariak
Supsending?
Originally posted by Supa Dexta
Oh my god a typo! I wonder how you will ever figure out what this thread is about now!
...One that I can't edit, so mod'er up...
Originally posted by Jlude
I'm sure by switching the p and s, the whole thread now makes sense to you.
But nice of you to only comment on the spelling mistake in the title... :facepalm:
Acocdrnig to an elgnsih unviesitry sutdy the oredr of letetrs in a wrod dosen't mttaer, the olny thnig thta's iopmrantt is that the frsit and lsat ltteer of eevry word is in the crorcet ptoision. The rset can be jmbueld and one is stlil able to raed the txet wiohtut dclftfuiiy.
mikey008
01-27-2010, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by 4doorj
What are the rates? And for which cars?
0.9% Financing up to 5 years on any 2010
Civic Sedan
Civic Coupe
Accord Sedan
Accord Coupe
CRV
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Sorath
01-27-2010, 10:24 PM
also 0.9 - 2.9 leasing on those vehicles 24-48mo
bspot
01-28-2010, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by 01RedDX
I'm surprised you have, considering there is only a handful of them.
A handful that have crashed. Many with symptoms. My friends corolla constantly has the revs creep on their own and sit at 1500rpm afterward on idle.
bspot
01-28-2010, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by jwslam
Acocdrnig to an elgnsih unviesitry sutdy the oredr of letetrs in a wrod dosen't mttaer, the olny thnig thta's iopmrantt is that the frsit and lsat ltteer of eevry word is in the crorcet ptoision. The rset can be jmbueld and one is stlil able to raed the txet wiohtut dclftfuiiy.
oyu ris ear lcpeltemyo gowrn.
(you sir are completely wrong)
all you Toyota nut-huggers are hilarious!
the ONLY reason they are suspending sales is because they DON'T HAVE A FIX for the problem yet. I can guarantee that if they did, they would still be selling these cars to the public.
Ford had the problems with their tires blowing out (which really isn't their fault). what did they do? did a RECALL and replaced tires for their customers. that is what you expect from a manufacturer.
any of you that think that Toyota has your best interest in mind and not the all mighty dollar are seriously delusional. they initially blamed the problem on floor mats because it was cheaper to do so!
fast95pony
01-28-2010, 12:54 AM
So now we know why Glock crashed into the wall at Suzuka last year....:burnout:
troi.oi
01-28-2010, 03:16 AM
fuk i just bought a camry is it possible to return it? drove for 2 weeks
Rat Fink
01-28-2010, 07:20 AM
.
atgilchrist
01-28-2010, 09:05 AM
IMO, this is going to seriously hurt Toyota's reputation, similar to how the Firestone Tire debacle hurt Ford's. They are covering the issue all over the news, especially the US news is headlining it. Even if the fix turns out to be the simple replacement of an accelerator arm or computer reflash, etc, the fact that they've had to suspend production and sales of eight high-volume models is going to scare a lot of potential customers away.
Like another poster above said, it's a good time to be Honda or Nissan.
trieuth
01-28-2010, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by bspot
oyu ris ear lcpeltemyo gowrn.
(you sir are completely wrong)
Iif only you could read properly, it says the first and last letter have to be the same while the letters in the middle of first and last can be mixed.
trieuth
01-28-2010, 09:33 AM
Meh, we just purchased a Venza yesterday and I'm not too worried.
Zewind
01-28-2010, 10:06 AM
maybe after they fix this they will have really freaking good deals.
I want a tacoma
4doorj
01-28-2010, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by mikey008
0.9% Financing up to 5 years on any 2010
Civic Sedan
Civic Coupe
Accord Sedan
Accord Coupe
CRV
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Nice!!!
Just curious, why do they never have good rates on the fit or the pilot?
Also just saw that crosstour thing, have you seen it yet? How does it look in person?
The Acura one looks pretty good.
Zewind
01-28-2010, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by 4doorj
Nice!!!
Just curious, why do they never have good rates on the fit or the pilot?
Also just saw that crosstour thing, have you seen it yet? How does it look in person?
The Acura one looks pretty good.
fit is so cheap as it is :P
They never offer the good rates on the vehicles we want.
Also I think the crosstour is a big piece of ugly, but thats just me.
The Acura one, are you talking about the ZDX?
Xtrema
01-28-2010, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by Zewind
Also I think the crosstour is a big piece of ugly, but thats just me.
Seen a Crosstour, while it's still not my thing it does look better in person, in motion compare to the press photos.
liquidboi69
01-28-2010, 11:05 AM
Maybe I have missed it, but in first page a poster asks what happens to people that have these models right now?
Can I bring in my vehicle to get it fixed? and what do we do when our vehicle is with toyota?
Edit: So I searched it up, I guess I don't do anything? Seeing as my corolla is not exhibiting any signs and its well into 30-40ks
Xtrema
01-28-2010, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by liquidboi69
Maybe I have missed it, but in first page a poster asks what happens to people that have these models right now?
Can I bring in my vehicle to get it fixed? and what do we do when our vehicle is with toyota?
Edit: So I searched it up, I guess I don't do anything? Seeing as my corolla is not exhibiting any signs and its well into 30-40ks
I think Toyota is coming up with a plan right now. The dealerships will be swarmed with requests.
BTW, Toyota recalls keeps on expanding:
Another 1.1M added to the floor mat recall:
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100127/AUTO01/1270436/Toyota-to-recall-another-1.1M-vehicles
Europe recall is coming:
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/28/confirmed-toyota-expands-sticking-pedal-recall-to-europe/#continued
dino_martini
01-28-2010, 11:39 AM
*I put on my robe and GM hat*
I always said Toyota built terrible cars these days, and now look! HAHAHA
jwslam
01-28-2010, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by bspot
oyu ris ear lcpeltemyo gowrn.
(you sir are completely wrong)
Originally posted by trieuth
If only you could read properly, it says the first and last letter have to be the same while the letters in the middle of first and last can be mixed.
thank you.
BerserkerCatSplat
01-28-2010, 11:01 PM
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/28/did-nhtsa-know-of-toyota-woes-back-in-2004/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+weblogsinc%2Fautoblog+%28Autoblog%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
From the "This story just keeps getting uglier" department comes a new bit of information concerning Toyota and its growing sticky pedal problem. The Detroit Free Press is reporting that Toyota and the National Highway Safety Traffic Administration were looking into the problem back in 2004, but an interesting twist led the investigation down a path that ultimately turned up nothing.
The Freep says that this early investigation was strictly limited to incidents of unintended acceleration lasting one second or less, which strikes us as odd considering prolonged periods unintended acceleration are a lot more dangerous than a blip of the throttle. And this is where the story gets a bit tricky. The Freep reports that a 2008 lawsuit stemming from an alleged unintended acceleration-related death of a woman driving a 2005 Camry says that the decision was made to limit the investigation right after a former NHTSA employee, Christopher Santucci, took a job with Toyota.
The lawsuit alleges that the new Toyota employee negotiated a deal with his former coworkers at NHTSA to limit the investigation of unintended acceleration claims to instances of one second or less. Santucci said in a deposition that the NHTSA investigation involved 2002 and 2003 Toyota Camry, Solaras and Lexus ES300 models. NHTSA had reportedly received 139 complaints in the 2004 investigation, but found no defects.
Now that Toyota has officially recalled millions of vehicles, the question remains whether these older models will eventually be recalled as well. The short answer is that we have no idea, but former NHTSA head Joan Claybrook feels that the government safety agency should have taken unintended acceleration claims more seriously in the past.
01RedDX
01-29-2010, 09:18 AM
A possible fix is in the works. A simple shim/spacer.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100129/ap_on_bi_ge/toyota_recall
All the haters can stop foaming at the mouth. Looks like if you approach an issue rationally, you can resolve it.
Although that makes you a fan-boy nut-hugger, right?
Seems like honda is doing some recalls as well, on one of its popular model.....(although not as extensive as Toyota....)
http://finchannel.com/news_flash/Oil_&_Auto/57138_Honda_recalls_646,000_cars_over_safety/
atgilchrist
01-29-2010, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by 01RedDX
Looks like if you approach an issue rationally, you can resolve it.
What is this voodoo you speak? I thought this recall meant that every single Toyota is a deathtrap?
Xtrema
01-29-2010, 12:27 PM
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/29/officially-official-toyota-europe-recalling-8-models-1-8-milli/
1.2M in Europe.
Same supplier also give Ford some bad pedals.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704194504575030891636493402.html
treg50
01-29-2010, 02:02 PM
Get all those piece of shit people driving beige and dark green Corollas and Camrys off the fucking roads.
:D
962 kid
01-29-2010, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by 01RedDX
A possible fix is in the works. A simple shim/spacer.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100129/ap_on_bi_ge/toyota_recall
All the haters can stop foaming at the mouth. Looks like if you approach an issue rationally, you can resolve it.
Although that makes you a fan-boy nut-hugger, right?
Great, a bandaid fix for everyone who bought a Toyota in the last 5 years, and still no backup system that cuts throttle when the brake is applied. Go Toyota, they definitely have everyone's best interest at heart. That's why they decided to resolve the issue in 2004 when they first found out about it, right?
Approaching the issue rationally is correct. Their risk/benefit department finally realized that it's time for them to fix the problem.
Redlyne_mr2
01-29-2010, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by 962 kid
Great, a bandaid fix for everyone who bought a Toyota in the last 5 years, and still no backup system that cuts throttle when the brake is applied. Go Toyota, they definitely have everyone's best interest at heart. That's why they decided to resolve the issue in 2004 when they first found out about it, right?
Approaching the issue rationally is correct. Their risk/benefit department finally realized that it's time for them to fix the problem.
Hate to say this but you would be surprised the type of safety issues manufacturers hide from the public. Kia, Lamborghini, BMW etc. They all do it and some are really scary..aka spontaneous combustion Gallardos.
962 kid
01-29-2010, 05:03 PM
No, I wouldn't be surprised haha. That doesn't make it acceptable for Toyota, especially on something as important as a drive by wire throttle. Benz has 3 switches the brake pedal (2 backups) to prevent this exact situation from happening - if the throttle goes haywire, simply hit the brake and the throttle is cut. Why does Toyota not have a system like this?
Originally posted by liquidboi69
Maybe I have missed it, but in first page a poster asks what happens to people that have these models right now?
Can I bring in my vehicle to get it fixed? and what do we do when our vehicle is with toyota?
Edit: So I searched it up, I guess I don't do anything? Seeing as my corolla is not exhibiting any signs and its well into 30-40ks
Same. I have 80k on my 07 Camry. Not a single problem.
BerserkerCatSplat
01-30-2010, 06:09 PM
TTAC disassembles both CTS (recalled) and Denso (non-recalled) units, finds that the CTS ones actually seem better built and the "shim" fix doesn't seem to make much sense. Rumour has it the Denso units are going to be recalled as well.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/exclusive-ttac-takes-apart-both-toyota-gas-pedal-assemblies-denso-unit-looks-cheaper-rumored-to-be-recalled-too/
In yesterdays post , we offered a bounty for anyone to open up both the CTS (bottom) and Denso (top) Toyota gas pedal assemblies. No one took us up, and no one anywhere else has done it, so we took it upon ourselves . So here they are, both e-pedal assemblies taken apart and examined, in our quest to understand if and what the significant differences are, and how Toyota’s possible “shim” fix would work. On initial observation, it appears that the CTS is actually a more solidly engineered unit, in that the pedal pivots on a traditional and solid steel axle whose bearings are brass sleeves. The Denso: its whole pivot and bearing surfaces are flimsy-feeling plastic. But that can be deceptive, and we’re not qualified to judge properly if it is indeed inferior or superior. But according to sources within Toyota, the Denso unit will likely be recalled too. So the real question is this: are these units really the full source of the problem, or are they scape goats for an electronics and/or software glitch?
heavyD
02-01-2010, 01:15 PM
I assume Denso manufactures these assemblies for most of the Japanese automakers so it would be strange if they would be a culprit.
Redlyne_mr2
02-01-2010, 02:28 PM
There is an issue with the brass bushing in the CTS part. The bushing sticks preventing the pedal from properly retracting. The sticking bushing is caused either from the brass compound breaking down or from debri during the manufacturing process.
BerserkerCatSplat
02-01-2010, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
There is an issue with the brass bushing in the CTS part. The bushing sticks preventing the pedal from properly retracting. The sticking bushing is caused either from the brass compound breaking down or from debri during the manufacturing process.
Don't know where you heard/read that, but bushings like the CTS one have been used since the dawn of time and are highly resistant to binding. Also, brass is not a "compound" and I'm not sure what you mean by "breaking down." I don't remember reading anywhere that the bushing was being looked at as the problem.
http://jalopnik.com/5461198/toyota-announces-accelerator-pedal-fiery-death-fix
There's the explanation of the official "fix," the spacer is for the friction device that they use to replicate pedal feel and according to Toyota can cause the pedal to jam in place somehow. However, this seems like still more window dressing and pretend-fixing from Toyota, seeing as the guy who drove his Avalon to the dealership with a stuck throttle (http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-avalon-displays-unintended-acceleration-without-floor-mat.html) still had full-range pedal travel (ie the pedal itself was not stuck) and moving the gas pedal had zero effect on the car's throttle.
Redlyne_mr2
02-01-2010, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat
Don't know where you heard/read that, but bushings like the CTS one have been used since the dawn of time and are highly resistant to binding. Also, brass is not a "compound" and I'm not sure what you mean by "breaking down." I don't remember reading anywhere that the bushing was being looked at as the problem.
http://jalopnik.com/5461198/toyota-announces-accelerator-pedal-fiery-death-fix
There's the explanation of the official "fix," the spacer is for the friction device that they use to replicate pedal feel and according to Toyota can cause the pedal to jam in place somehow. However, this seems like still more window dressing and pretend-fixing from Toyota, seeing as the guy who drove his Avalon to the dealership with a stuck throttle (http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-avalon-displays-unintended-acceleration-without-floor-mat.html) still had full-range pedal travel (ie the pedal itself was not stuck) and moving the gas pedal had zero effect on the car's throttle.
This video was release a while back and at that time this was assumed to be the problem, thanks for the update. Hadn't seen that info. yet.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid62744306001?bctid=64198780001
BerserkerCatSplat
02-01-2010, 04:11 PM
Ah, fair enough, I hadn't seen that video.
Xtrema
02-01-2010, 07:37 PM
http://www.trinituner.com/gallery/2007/toyota-launch22-11-07/toyota-moving-forward.jpg
Time for a new slogan.....
Redlyne_mr2
02-01-2010, 07:38 PM
^^^
:rofl:
Xtrema
02-01-2010, 07:43 PM
http://www.toyota.ca/v3/media/shared/h_common_toyota_logo_en.gif
Only if they follow advice from their Canadian slogan.
cono_sur
02-02-2010, 12:24 PM
Here's a good video and article to check out in case your pedal gets stuck.
Pedal Sticks Video (http://www.passthewheel.com/practiceTestQuestions/canada/alberta/class7/news/what-should-you-do-if-your-pedal-sticks.asp)
heavyD
02-02-2010, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by Xtrema
http://www.toyota.ca/v3/media/shared/h_common_toyota_logo_en.gif
Only if they follow advice from their Canadian slogan.
Toyota still builds good cars but the problem is that they used to build great cars. My MR2 Turbo was easily the best made vehicle I've ever owned. I do alot of work on my own cars mechanically and in the interior and removing panels you could tell all the little attention to details that I've never seen from other manufacturers and the quality plastics, carpet, etc were unrivalled by any American or Japanese competitor. Hopefully Toyota will stay true to their claims that they will start manufacturing more exciting vehicles again as the automotive world is a better place when Toyota is manufacturing performance oriented vehicles.
Xtrema
02-03-2010, 10:32 AM
When it rains.....
http://www.insideline.com/toyota/toyota-prius-brakes-latest-focus-of-safety-investigation.html
http://www.gearlog.com/2010/02/runaway_prius_a_tech_problem_w.php
heavyD
02-03-2010, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Xtrema
When it rains.....
http://www.insideline.com/toyota/toyota-prius-brakes-latest-focus-of-safety-investigation.html
http://www.gearlog.com/2010/02/runaway_prius_a_tech_problem_w.php
Wow everyone is really piling on now. January sales were down 16% over last year. That's going to look like a home run success compared to February.
Diocletian
02-15-2010, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by 962 kid
No, I wouldn't be surprised haha. That doesn't make it acceptable for Toyota, especially on something as important as a drive by wire throttle. Benz has 3 switches the brake pedal (2 backups) to prevent this exact situation from happening - if the throttle goes haywire, simply hit the brake and the throttle is cut. Why does Toyota not have a system like this?
LOL kind of reminds me of Mercedes benz massive brake by wire recall lol
flipstah
02-15-2010, 02:21 PM
Pull yourself together, Toyota! They are taking a lot of hits but I'm sure they can recover.
Now, Tacoma's(?) are affected too with faulty drivetrains? At least that's what I heard.
A2VR6
02-15-2010, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by flipstah
Pull yourself together, Toyota! They are taking a lot of hits but I'm sure they can recover.
Now, Tacoma's(?) are affected too with faulty drivetrains? At least that's what I heard.
Yep, theres a recall on 8000 Tacoma's with a faulty front driveshaft
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/12/toyota-recalling-8-000-2010-tacoma-4wd-pickups/
Luckily they are recent build dates so they caught most of them before they made it into the hands of customers.
BerserkerCatSplat
02-21-2010, 09:10 PM
Hey guys, anybody remember the Pinto?
Toyota saved $100 million by limiting recall
Internal documents show results of negotiations with regulators in 2007
WASHINGTON - Toyota officials claimed they saved the company $100 million by successfully negotiating with the government on a limited recall of floor mats in some Toyota and Lexus vehicles, according to new documents shared with congressional investigators.
Toyota, in an internal presentation in July 2009 at its Washington office, said it saved $100 million or more by negotiating an "equipment recall" of floor mats involving 55,000 Toyota Camry and Lexus ES350 vehicles in September 2007.
The savings are listed under the title, "Wins for Toyota — Safety Group." The document cites millions of dollars in other savings by delaying safety regulations, avoiding defect investigations and slowing down other industry requirements.
The documents could set off alarms in Congress over whether Toyota put profits ahead of customer safety and pushed regulators to narrow the scope of recalls. Two House committees are holding hearings this week on the Japanese automaker's recall of 8.5 million vehicles in recent months to deal with safety problems involving gas pedals, floor mats and brakes.
The world's largest automaker has been criticized for responding too slowly to complaints of sudden acceleration in its vehicles, threatening to undermine its reputation for quality and safety.
The documents were turned over to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and obtained by The Associated Press on Sunday. The presentation was first reported by The Detroit News.
A Toyota spokeswoman did not immediately comment.
Kurt Bardella, a spokesman for Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., the top Republican on the Oversight Committee, said the documents raise questions on "whether Toyota was lobbying for less rigid actions from regulators to protect their bottom line."
The new documents show the financial benefit of delay. In the presentation, Toyota said a phase-in to new safety regulations for side air bags saved the company $124 million and 50,000 man hours. Delaying a rule for tougher door locks saved $11 million.
On defect regulations, the document boasts that Toyota "avoided investigation" on rusting Tacoma pickup trucks. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration investigated the case in 2008 but closed it without finding a safety defect. Toyota agreed to buy back certain rusty pickups, inspect other and extend warranties.
The document lists seven "Wins for Toyota & Industry," including "favorable recall outcomes," "secured safety rulemaking favorable to Toyota" and "vehicles not in climate legislation." Another page lists "key safety issues," including "Sudden acceleration on ES/Camry, Tacoma, LS etc."
In one passage, the document says Toyota "negotiated 'equipment' recall on Camry/ES re SA; saved $100M+, w/ no defect found."
NHTSA had launched an investigation in March 2007 over allegations that floor mats were interfering with accelerator pedals. Toyota told the government a month later that there was "no possibility of the pedal interference with the all-weather floor mat if it's placed properly and secured."
By that August, the government had connected the problem to a dozen deaths and a survey of 600 Lexus owners discovered 10 percent reported sudden or unexpected acceleration. But the recall in September 2007 was limited to 55,000 Camry and ES350 vehicles to replace the floor mats.
The 10-page internal presentation was dated July 6, 2009, less than two months before a high-speed crash near San Diego killed a California highway patrol officer and his family and reignited concerns over sudden acceleration in Toyotas.
In October 2009, Toyota issued its largest-ever U.S. recall, involving about 4 million vehicles, over concerns of pedals getting stuck in floor mats.
The presentation lists Yoshi Inaba, Toyota's chief executive in North America, on its cover. Inaba is scheduled to testify before the House Energy and Commerce Committee on Wednesday, along with Toyota president Akio Toyoda and Jim Lentz, president of Toyota Motor Sales USA.
Separately, the government said Sunday it was already investigating reports of sudden acceleration in Toyota vehicles when the nation's largest auto insurer shared complaints about the issue.
The Transportation Department released documents showing that in December 2003 it began investigating 39 complaints of sudden acceleration involving 2002-03 Toyota Camry sedans. That was about three months before State Farm shared with NHTSA complaints of sudden acceleration in 2003-04 Lexus ES300s and 2002-04 Camrys.
The document released by Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the department had received allegations of 26 crashes and 4 injuries involving drivers complaining of their vehicles surging when backing up, pulling in and out of parking spaces and shifting gears.
Reports of deaths in the U.S. connected to sudden acceleration in Toyota vehicles have surged in recent weeks, with the toll of deaths allegedly attributed to the problem reaching 34 since 2000, according to new consumer data gathered by the U.S. government.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35510079/
kaput
02-21-2010, 09:29 PM
.
Originally posted by kaput
Maybe I missed it, but have they resumed sales yet? I assume so since it's been awhile but I didn't hear anything.
I would assume so, I saw some advertisements for henninger today. There's some specials...but I don't know if it'll be convincing enough for people to buy again just yet.
LittleAngel
02-25-2010, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by A2VR6
Yep, theres a recall on 8000 Tacoma's with a faulty front driveshaft
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/12/toyota-recalling-8-000-2010-tacoma-4wd-pickups/
Luckily they are recent build dates so they caught most of them before they made it into the hands of customers.
1500 in canada. only 2010.
LittleAngel
02-25-2010, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by gqmw
I would assume so, I saw some advertisements for henninger today. There's some specials...but I don't know if it'll be convincing enough for people to buy again just yet.
yes they only suspended sales for about 1 week, as soon as parts were shipped then sales continued.
Xtrema
02-26-2010, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by LittleAngel
yes they only suspended sales for about 1 week, as soon as parts were shipped then sales continued.
Nobody will touch Lexus or Toyota for a while unless they are fanboys. Co-worker of mine just canceled the Camry he ordered back in Jan.
Feb Sales will be release in about another week and we'll know how much it really hurt Toyota.
I don't think Toyota will ever get out of this. They are now Audi of the 80s.
shutterbug_art8
02-26-2010, 12:19 AM
What incentives is Toyota Canada giving out now?
bimmere92
03-02-2010, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by shutterbug_art8
What incentives is Toyota Canada giving out now?
I am interestd in this this too, I would assume Toyota and Lexus are offering some lucrative deals right now...
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.4 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.