sting nabs nearly 30 men

[urban.one]

Hooker sting nabs nearly 30 men
By NADIA MOHARIB, Calgary Sun

Last Updated: 9th February 2010, 10:09pm


Prostution dragnet snares johns and sex trade workers.

The bulk of nearly 30 men picked up in a recent crack-down on prostitution are first-time offenders, say police.

Between Jan. 27 and Feb. 5, police from several districts ran the undercover operations, one dubbed “No Rest for the Wicked” — targeting street-level prostitution.

Sixty-four criminal charges were laid, 29 against johns and the rest against sex-trade workers.

They also seized 25 vehicles worth about $360,000 — ranging from $2,000 clunkers to luxury vehicles valued at about $70,000 — Vice Staff Sgt. Colin Adair said.

Adair said city police have seized 258 vehicles since legislation allowing them to do so was introduced in 2006.

“The vehicles are held until they go to court and are either found not guilty or (given) alternative measures,” Adair said.

“If found guilty in court, you could lose your vehicle.”

Those who can reclaim vehicles must pay associated costs, such as storage.

Adair said johns have also done 2,400 hours of community service and paid $60,000 in fines which go to social agencies since 2006.

While recidivism rates appear to be low, the challenge for police is keeping up with the evolution of prostitution taking it increasingly beyond the streets.

“It has changed, years ago street prostitution was a lot busier,” he said.

“It still has a big impact on the community, but now there is a lot more indoors, behind closed doors, in bawdy houses and on the Internet.”

What hasn’t changed, he said, is the reality women are still being trapped in a criminal realm often difficult to escape.

“Prostitution isn’t a victimless crime,” Adair said.

“No little girl decides she wants to grow up to be a prostitute.”

The bulk of the arrests were done along strolls in Forest Lawn and downtown.

[qcp1]

i dont know why but when i clicked this thread i was thinking...

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/men/sting/pictures/sting-picture-1.jpg

That sting nabbed 30 men?!?

NM ive been awake way too long

But on topic if no little girl dreams of becoming a prostitute maybe she should put down the drugs and become more responsible... damn shame that some think they should be able to control what others do with their lives.

Im in favor of legalizing it like in nevada (not that i have or ever will use a hooker) but who am i to say that someone else shouldnt be able to be one or use one...

[King Banana]

"Sixty-four criminal charges were laid, 29 against johns and the rest against sex-trade workers"

So they are laying criminal charges on the "victim" (little girl that grows up not wanting to be in the sex trade)

Most people would say no little girl wishes she could grow up and do porn for the internet so millions of guys can see.
No little girl wants to be a stripper when she grows up (at least I hope not), again, reality.
But that's reality, you cannot say the crime involves a victim, especially when you are laying criminal charges on the person in question.

This is win win for the police and lose lose for the sex trade workers that have fallen 'victim' to this lifestyle.

Now the victims will have a permanent criminal record, that should help them get out of the trade.

[D. Dub]

^^

Not to mention a waste of police resources -- enforcing morality rather than catching criminals.

[Masked Bandit]

Why can't this just be legalized, licensed & taxed like it is in Nevada.

There's nothing dangerous about paying for sex. What's dangerous is sneeking around in the less desireable parts of town in dark alleys with god knows who.

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by King Banana
Most people would say no little girl wishes she could grow up and do porn for the internet so millions of guys can see.
No little girl wants to be a stripper when she grows up (at least I hope not), again, reality.


See... I get what you're saying. But don't be so narrow-minded... basing your thoughts just on opinion as opposed to facts. Some girls do indeed grow up wanting this kind of attention from men. I had an ex (pic posted in the "Ask Leo" section) who nearly begged me to be a stripper when we were dating.

After we broke up, she instead voluntarily went into internet porn.

Was it healthy for her? Absolutely not. But she was a willing participant. I boiled it down to the fact that her father was a drunk, and never there when she was growing up.

With all this said, I'm sure the vast majority are in the business against their desires.

[King Banana]

It's fine (plenty of fish) unless you're paying for it.
I think this is the moral of the law.

[Xtrema]

You pay for it one way or another.

Legalize and regulate it will reduce crime and dangerous sex.

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by Xtrema
Legalize and regulate it will reduce crime and dangerous sex.

This. Same thing they should do with weed, imo. (As long as they have a roadside test to check for high drivers)

[sexualbanana]

Originally posted by Masked Bandit
Why can't this just be legalized, licensed & taxed like it is in Nevada.


Escorts are licensed in the city. Prostitution is illegal. It sounds like a lame argument about semantics but whatever.

[CMW403]

Originally posted by Kloubek


See... I get what you're saying. But don't be so narrow-minded... basing your thoughts just on opinion as opposed to facts. Some girls do indeed grow up wanting this kind of attention from men. I had an ex (pic posted in the "Ask Leo" section) who nearly begged me to be a stripper when we were dating.

After we broke up, she instead voluntarily went into internet porn.

Was it healthy for her? Absolutely not. But she was a willing participant. I boiled it down to the fact that her father was a drunk, and never there when she was growing up.

With all this said, I'm sure the vast majority are in the business against their desires.


WHATTT???

dude you said you didn't have any pics of her. BUT THERES VIDS?!?! :clap:

hook. that. shit. up.

[D'z Nutz]

Originally posted by qcp1
i dont know why but when i clicked this thread i was thinking...

Sting doesn't nab people. He captures them with his melodic singing and music.

[Neil4Speed]

Originally posted by qcp1
i dont know why but when i clicked this thread i was thinking...

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/men/sting/pictures/sting-picture-1.jpg

That sting nabbed 30 men?!?


hahaha, I thought something similar, I thought Sting stabbed 30 men... while singing desert rose.

[TKRIS]

Originally posted by D. Dub
Not to mention a waste of police resources -- enforcing morality rather than catching criminals.

Originally posted by Masked Bandit
There's nothing dangerous about paying for sex. What's dangerous is sneeking around in the less desireable parts of town in dark alleys with god knows who.

^^

It's terribly depressing that some women are forced into this line of work against their will. That said, whether you want to do it or you don't, you're better off if it's regulated instead of outlawed.

Only harm comes from making prostitution illegal.

[Tomaz]

Originally posted by Kloubek

After we broke up, she instead voluntarily went into internet porn.


Whay are you holding out on us man? At least give us something to search! :poosie: lol

[JustGo]

Originally posted by Masked Bandit
Why can't this just be legalized, licensed & taxed like it is in Nevada.

There's nothing dangerous about paying for sex. What's dangerous is sneeking around in the less desireable parts of town in dark alleys with god knows who.
Have you been to the Vegas strip?

Do you want downtown Calgary to be filled with Mexicans in fluorescent shirts, flicking cards with skanks on them at you?

Sure it's fun for 10 minutes, then it gets really, really annoying, not to mention a huge eye sore for the city.

It is reality, however, it still needs to be tucked away in those dark areas before people become so desensitized to it that we turn into Vegas. Fun place to visit, but dear GOD, I could not live there.

[JustGo]

Originally posted by D. Dub
^^

Not to mention a waste of police resources -- enforcing morality rather than catching criminals.

One could argue that the families of the men soliciting are victims. Going home to their wives and kids after being with women who have a plethora of less-desirable items floating around in their systems.

If you found out your dad was out all night spending his time and money on hookers, that would probably suck. I know it would if you were 7 years old.

[broken_legs]

Can someone look into the books and find out how much revenue the city takes in for licensing escorts?

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by JustGo

Have you been to the Vegas strip?

Do you want downtown Calgary to be filled with Mexicans in fluorescent shirts, flicking cards with skanks on them at you?

Sure it's fun for 10 minutes, then it gets really, really annoying, not to mention a huge eye sore for the city.

It is reality, however, it still needs to be tucked away in those dark areas before people become so desensitized to it that we turn into Vegas. Fun place to visit, but dear GOD, I could not live there.

Legalization means they can have legit business to be tucked away somewhere instead of having streetwalkers.

[TKRIS]

Originally posted by JustGo

Have you been to the Vegas strip?

Do you want downtown Calgary to be filled with Mexicans in fluorescent shirts, flicking cards with skanks on them at you?

Sure it's fun for 10 minutes, then it gets really, really annoying, not to mention a huge eye sore for the city.

It is reality, however, it still needs to be tucked away in those dark areas before people become so desensitized to it that we turn into Vegas. Fun place to visit, but dear GOD, I could not live there.

First off: Thinking that Calgary is just a hoochie call away from Vegas is hilarious.
Secondly, prostitution is illegal in Vegas, so your argument is not only laughable, but disproves your own point.


Originally posted by JustGo


One could argue that the families of the men soliciting are victims. Going home to their wives and kids after being with women who have a plethora of less-desirable items floating around in their systems.

Sure. And why are women with HIV, herpes, and chlamydia out hooking? Because there's nothing to stop them.

Going back to Nevada: It is safer to nail a hooker in a legal brothel in Nevada than it is to nail whatever piece of tail you picked up from the bar last weekend. Making prostitution illegal makes it impossible to properly monitor and regulate it. It's not illegal because it's unsafe, it's unsafe because it's illegal.

The best way to stop the spread of STDs from prostitution is the make it legal so that you can control it.


Originally posted by JustGo
If you found out your dad was out all night spending his time and money on hookers, that would probably suck. I know it would if you were 7 years old.

Would suck if you found out your dad was out all night spending his time and money on blow, blackjack, booze, a mistress, etc.
There's no end of things that people can do to fuck up their lives and the lives of those around them, both legal and illegal. You can't use the legal system to impose your morality on other people. Not only is it wrong, but it doesn't work, and creates more problems than it solves.

Laws like this have a net negative impact on our society.

EDIT: I thought I mentioned this before, but didn't.
Since '88 when a lot of the regulation for brothels came in in Nevada, there hasn't been a single instance of anyone contracting HIV in a legal Nevada brothel. Neither John nor prostitute. That's a pretty fucking impressive track record.

[JustGo]

Originally posted by TKRIS


First off: Thinking that Calgary is just a hoochie call away from Vegas is hilarious.
Secondly, prostitution is illegal in Vegas, so your argument is not only laughable, but disproves your own point.
I was merely pointing out that the system they have in Nevada is not flawless, using a hyperbole-type example.


Originally posted by TKRIS


Sure. And why are women with HIV, herpes, and chlamydia out hooking? Because there's nothing to stop them.

Going back to Nevada: It is safer to nail a hooker in a legal brothel in Nevada than it is to nail whatever piece of tail you picked up from the bar last weekend. Making prostitution illegal makes it impossible to properly monitor and regulate it. It's not illegal because it's unsafe, it's unsafe because it's illegal.

The best way to stop the spread of STDs from prostitution is the make it legal so that you can control it.

So instead of people being scared to go out and get with a prostitute (for fear of getting caught), let's say, 100 dudes risk it on a Saturday night... let's legalize it, so nobody is afraid of getting caught by the po-po... so now 200 dudes go out and get with hookers on a Saturday night.

That's twice as many guys going out and screwing up their families.


Originally posted by TKRIS

Would suck if you found out your dad was out all night spending his time and money on blow, blackjack, booze, a mistress, etc.
There's no end of things that people can do to fuck up their lives and the lives of those around them, both legal and illegal. You can't use the legal system to impose your morality on other people. Not only is it wrong, but it doesn't work, and creates more problems than it solves.

Laws like this have a net negative impact on our society.
So what problems is the current prostitution law causing? If this law is only enforcing 'morality', what is the negative impact it's having? Are more husbands beating their wives because they can't find a hooker? Where are your facts to prove that enforcing this 'moral' law is hurting our society somehow?

Don't get me wrong, I do agree with you on many of your points, ie. it is going to happen anyways, and legalized is safer, etc. I agree. However, why don't you tell me why doing it the way it's being done now is going to cause a huge negative impact on society?

[King Banana]

Smoking/drinking causes far more family problems/health problems.

Why are the police taking on a moral battle and then cherry picking what morals they enforce?

By the same theory as prostitution, we should ban alcohol and tobacco so that we have a more healthy family life with less problems. There is no way that could backfire.

[TKRIS]

Originally posted by JustGo

I was merely pointing out that the system they have in Nevada is not flawless, using a hyperbole-type example.


So instead of people being scared to go out and get with a prostitute (for fear of getting caught), let's say, 100 dudes risk it on a Saturday night... let's legalize it, so nobody is afraid of getting caught by the po-po... so now 200 dudes go out and get with hookers on a Saturday night.

That's twice as many guys going out and screwing up their families.

That's making some massive assumptions.
First, it assumes that more men would buy sex.
Second, it assumes that more married men would buy sex.
Third, it assumes that this would screw up families.
Fourth, it assumes that these hypothetical men aren't already screwing up their families.

I'm not saying these are all unreasonable assumptions, but they are assumptions. And again, you don't get to use the law as a means of imposing your morality. There are plenty of people in this country that are single, there are plenty that either don't want a relationship or aren't able to find one, there are plenty of people with "open" concepts regarding sex.
You don't get to deny all these people of something for fear that someone else might do something that *you* don't agree with.

The problem with your argument is that you're coming from the angle of "Paying for sex is bad". Which is not necessarily true. You're entire argument stems from your own bias. There is nothing inherently bad or evil about paying for sex, and it's occurred since we climbed out of the trees (and likely before) in some form or another, and it could be argued that every single one of us has done it as well.


Originally posted by JustGo
So what problems is the current prostitution law causing? If this law is only enforcing 'morality', what is the negative impact it's having? Are more husbands beating their wives because they can't find a hooker? Where are your facts to prove that enforcing this 'moral' law is hurting our society somehow?

For one:
http://www.independent.org/publications/working_papers/article.asp?id=1300
There are several other studies that echo these findings as well.

Prostitution is a hotbed for illegal activity, drug abuse, psychological and physical abuse, disease, etc.
The only way to control these problems is by controlling prostitution, which we are not doing.

It's also worth noting that the Netherlands ranks virtually identical to Canada in the UN's Human Develoment Index, an analysis on divorce rates, and a comparison of crime rates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#2009_report
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsWorld.shtml
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/nl-netherlands/cri-crime
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ca-canada/cri-crime

Prostitution is legal there. None of the fear mongering holds up to the most basic scrutiny.


Originally posted by JustGo
Don't get me wrong, I do agree with you on many of your points, ie. it is going to happen anyways, and legalized is safer, etc. I agree. However, why don't you tell me why doing it the way it's being done now is going to cause a huge negative impact on society?

I have, but I'll do it again: It's not "going to" have a negative impact. It does have a negative impact. The vast majority of the problems prostitution causes are a direct result of it being illegal. Safety, exploitation, abuse, counterculture influences, etc. If we make prostitution legal, we solve, or at least mostly alleviate, these problems.

The only argument against this is the fear of the dark. Hand wringers will wring their hands and lament that this will open up the floodgates and that our families will be destroyed and that we'll dissolve into the abyss. But all the evidence (and common sense, I'd argue) indicates this won't happen. We're not treading new ground here. This has been done. Not only has it been done, but it's been done in a society similar to ours. We're also privy to the data that shows what happens when things go the other way (prostitution criminalized, instances of rape increase dramatically, as an example).

Does making prostitution legal mean everything is honkey dory? Of course not. But it does mean that far fewer women are raped, abused, exploited, killed, contract STDs, etc. It also means the criminal underworld who uses prostitution as a means of control and income are served a huge blow, among other things.
The argument against this is that scores of married men will destroy their families. An assertion that is not only without foundation, but contrary to the data we have.

Things you're afraid of only get scarier if they're pushed into the dark where they can't be monitored.

[King Banana]

Not to mention if you are putting these 'criminals' in jail where there has obviously never been ever a recorded incident with sexual abuse or molestation.
This should help them correct their sexual dis-functions.

[Toma]

Fucking HORSESHIT.

My Hair Stylist/Masseuse gets assaulted, and it takes the cocksucker's 40 minutes to respond to a 911 call...

But they got resources to waste time on this shit.

Fuck this city and our police service BLOWS.

[Toma]

As per Vegas....

Like speeding, tinted windows, and other non sense, yes, prostitution is technically illegal.

But they are very lax and don't waste a lot of resources on this shit in "Sin City".

You can find hookers walking the strip, or playing slots at any casino. You ca order them out of a news paper, or even off those cards that have become a hallmark walking down the street.

It is not a Police Services job to dictate morality, nor stoop and interfere in a person personal sexual life. What's next, they are gonna tell me anal sex on Sundays is illegal?

Go fuck yourselves.

EDIT: Oh, and the cops in the US treat you with dignity and respect, are trained to be polite and courteous.

Last week, I was transporting a clapped out balck '08 BMW /// black with black limo tint from Vegas to Calgary. I was lazy, no plates, not transit permit, nothin. Just a bill of sale, title and my passport. Speeding 5-10 mph over the whole way.

Pulled over , the cop kissed my ass, thanked me for wearing my seat belt, put a note in the system that I am "ok" etc... no ticket, he was just making sure I was not some drug dealer.

In Vegas, I leave my rental car at the side of a road... kinds of a gravel outpocket for 5 minutes while I take the BMW to my hotel across the street. I get back, cops are there. Again, VERY polite. Simply making sure car was not stolen or abandoned.

Class acts.

What happened that a country once know for its politeness and one for its rudeness to suddenly have their roles reversed?

[BigMass]

I wonder how the police are doing on that million dollar open and shut fraud case I filed 2 years ago…. Ah fuck it nm

[max_boost]

haha always enjoy reading TKRIS and Toma's posts.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by JustGo
So instead of people being scared to go out and get with a prostitute (for fear of getting caught), let's say, 100 dudes risk it on a Saturday night... let's legalize it, so nobody is afraid of getting caught by the po-po... so now 200 dudes go out and get with hookers on a Saturday night.

That's twice as many guys going out and screwing up their families.

Just because its legalized, doesn't mean there will be more consumers. Pot is legal in Amsterdam and less and less local kids smoke pot.

Family value is a crock of shit. If a man is going to cheat on his wife, does it matter if it's a streetwalker, escort, random @ club or office slut?


However, why don't you tell me why doing it the way it's being done now is going to cause a huge negative impact on society?

The negative impact of such prohibition law is that it creates criminal organizations. Encourage sex slaves and create a public safety problem. Not to mention a waste of police resource.

[CUG]

Originally posted by Toma
As per Vegas....

Like speeding, tinted windows, and other non sense, yes, prostitution is technically illegal.

But they are very lax and don't waste a lot of resources on this shit in "Sin City".

You can find hookers walking the strip, or playing slots at any casino. You ca order them out of a news paper, or even off those cards that have become a hallmark walking down the street.

It is not a Police Services job to dictate morality, nor stoop and interfere in a person personal sexual life. What's next, they are gonna tell me anal sex on Sundays is illegal?

Go fuck yourselves.

EDIT: Oh, and the cops in the US treat you with dignity and respect, are trained to be polite and courteous.

Last week, I was transporting a clapped out balck '08 BMW /// black with black limo tint from Vegas to Calgary. I was lazy, no plates, not transit permit, nothin. Just a bill of sale, title and my passport. Speeding 5-10 mph over the whole way.

Pulled over , the cop kissed my ass, thanked me for wearing my seat belt, put a note in the system that I am "ok" etc... no ticket, he was just making sure I was not some drug dealer.

In Vegas, I leave my rental car at the side of a road... kinds of a gravel outpocket for 5 minutes while I take the BMW to my hotel across the street. I get back, cops are there. Again, VERY polite. Simply making sure car was not stolen or abandoned.

Class acts.

What happened that a country once know for its politeness and one for its rudeness to suddenly have their roles reversed? This is actually a hilarious rant. Awesome.

[mx73someday]

Originally posted by TKRIS

I have, but I'll do it again: It's not "going to" have a negative impact. It does have a negative impact. The vast majority of the problems prostitution causes are a direct result of it being illegal. Safety, exploitation, abuse, counterculture influences, etc. If we make prostitution legal, we solve, or at least mostly alleviate, these problems.

^^This. When activities or products are pushed into the black market by regulation, the people who participate lose the protection of government courts and have to rely on themselves to resolve disputes. A prostitute can't sue her john for non-payment. Just like you can't sue a drug dealer when a deal goes bad.

Vices Are Not Crimes - Lysander Spooner (1875) (http://www.lysanderspooner.org/VicesAreNotCrimes.htm)

I've read that most prostitutes and johns were victims of child abuse or neglect. If you ignore that a part of these people is essentially broken because they haven't received any therapy and simply want to lock them up and fine them, then you fix nothing.


Originally posted by Toma

Last week, I was transporting a clapped out balck '08 BMW /// black with black limo tint from Vegas to Calgary. I was lazy, no plates, not transit permit, nothin. Just a bill of sale, title and my passport. Speeding 5-10 mph over the whole way.

You drove from Vegas to Calgary without a plate? Or was this thing being hauled?

[Toma]

Originally posted by mx73someday






You drove from Vegas to Calgary without a plate? Or was this thing being hauled?
Drove. Started 6 am Vegas, finally got pulled over in Montana somewhere.

No plates, nothing on the car. Like Alberta, you are supposed to get a temp transit permit or something.

I never even got the customary "you shoulda..." or a wrist slap.

What struck me about both the episodes with the officers was.... they had common sense, and were just doing their job of watching out for Joe Citizen, and making sure you were not a bad guy. AND they were polite! Thanking me, apologizing to me for "wasting" my time etc... it was unreal

Not some doormen with guns with a chip on their shoulders and small dick syndrome.

I was very impressed compared to the years of abuse of power I have seen from our useless cops and their willingness to skirt the Canadian Charter cause "they have to in order to do their job".

[5000Audi]

Originally posted by Kloubek


See... I get what you're saying. But don't be so narrow-minded... basing your thoughts just on opinion as opposed to facts. Some girls do indeed grow up wanting this kind of attention from men. I had an ex (pic posted in the "Ask Leo" section) who nearly begged me to be a stripper when we were dating.

After we broke up, she instead voluntarily went into internet porn.

Was it healthy for her? Absolutely not. But she was a willing participant. I boiled it down to the fact that her father was a drunk, and never there when she was growing up.

With all this said, I'm sure the vast majority are in the business against their desires.

tisk tisk you deleted them... i searched and i found but they no more... DAMN lol

[sexualbanana]

Originally posted by Xtrema


Just because its legalized, doesn't mean there will be more consumers. Pot is legal in Amsterdam and less and less local kids smoke pot.

Family value is a crock of shit. If a man is going to cheat on his wife, does it matter if it's a streetwalker, escort, random @ club or office slut?



The negative impact of such prohibition law is that it creates criminal organizations. Encourage sex slaves and create a public safety problem. Not to mention a waste of police resource.

Legalization does not necessarily mean the elimination of organized crime or abuse. In my opinion, it almost institutionalizes the gangs giving them a 'legitimate' business operation.

There is also the assumption that perception of sex trade workers will change from being a marginalized group to suddenly being included and accepted in the main stream. I don't think that would be the case. A physically abused sex trade worker will still get considerably far less sympathy than a physically abused spouse.

Amsterdam is being used as a common example as to the benefits of legalizing prostitution but they are not without their fair share of problems as a result of legalized prostitution. There are still problems with human trafficking, gang violence, and general community degradation.

Amsterdam Seeks Stricker Brothel Rules (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/7027980/Amsterdam-seeks-stricter-brothel-rules.html)

Gangs Traffic Women For Stag Parties (http://www.emgonline.co.uk/news.php?news=8524)

[DayGlow]

I agree it's horseshit that the police listen to the communities that have this problem and combat it within their authority and mandate. Sorry the police don't dictate morals, they enforce the laws created by the government and by extension the people. These are the morals as they are represented within legislation.

These 'blitzes' happen because the people that live in the communities band together and ask for help. The police work within their framework and combat the problem through enforcement of laws. Hopefully the courts will follow through on their mandates and offer treatment and programs instead of criminal convictions. Does this work? Debatable, but that's the system that has been created. If you have a better idea, preach it.

Is legalization the solution? Could very well be, but if that's the banner you want to run with, then it's time to do some real social activism and make change. It will be difficult, maybe impossible unless you can rally enough of the population behind you, but that's what democracy is all about.

Or you can bitch about it on the interweb and say 'fuck the police'. Your choice.

[mx73someday]

Originally posted by sexualbanana


Legalization does not necessarily mean the elimination of organized crime or abuse. In my opinion, it almost institutionalizes the gangs giving them a 'legitimate' business operation.

Unrestricted legalization will eliminate all organized crime. If you legalize something but only under heavy regulations, then organized crime will persist. An example would be requiring prostitutes to pay the government for a license. If a prostitute chooses not to get the license then it forces him/her to seek their own protection and resolve their own disputes without the state.

Legalization will help fight against those who abuse prostitutes because they will be able to go to the police and tell them that one of their customers beat them.



There is also the assumption that perception of sex trade workers will change from being a marginalized group to suddenly being included and accepted in the main stream. I don't think that would be the case. A physically abused sex trade worker will still get considerably far less sympathy than a physically abused spouse.

Where does this assumption come from and why does main stream perception matter?



Amsterdam is being used as a common example as to the benefits of legalizing prostitution but they are not without their fair share of problems as a result of legalized prostitution. There are still problems with human trafficking, gang violence, and general community degradation.

Is it unrestricted prostitution or is it regulated? On the topic of human trafficking and community degradation, when did anyone say that legalization was going to solve other problems? Legalizing prostitution won't eliminate drug gangs unless you also legalize drugs. Assuming the legalization of one activity is going to solve the problematic products of all other criminal activities is foolish.


Originally posted by Toma
No plates, nothing on the car.

What did the Canadians at the border say? Did you have insurance?

[TKRIS]

Originally posted by sexualbanana


Legalization does not necessarily mean the elimination of organized crime or abuse. In my opinion, it almost institutionalizes the gangs giving them a 'legitimate' business operation.

There is also the assumption that perception of sex trade workers will change from being a marginalized group to suddenly being included and accepted in the main stream. I don't think that would be the case. A physically abused sex trade worker will still get considerably far less sympathy than a physically abused spouse.

Amsterdam is being used as a common example as to the benefits of legalizing prostitution but they are not without their fair share of problems as a result of legalized prostitution. There are still problems with human trafficking, gang violence, and general community degradation.

Amsterdam Seeks Stricker Brothel Rules (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/7027980/Amsterdam-seeks-stricter-brothel-rules.html)

Gangs Traffic Women For Stag Parties (http://www.emgonline.co.uk/news.php?news=8524)

First, I never espoused that the Netherlands was a utopian society with regards to how they handle prostitution. I never even said they did a particularly good job of it at all. I used the Netherlands as an example to illustrate that legalizing prostitution won't bring about the apocalyptic chaos and moral decline that some claim is inevitable if we don't have laws to protect us from our own immorality.
Second, this is a false dichotomy. Maybe they don't do a very good job of regulating the sex trade in the netherlands. That doesn't mean it can't be done.

Next, I don't care about acceptance by the mainstream. I care about keeping people safe, keeping them from being exploited, and keeping them from being abused. These are, IMO, the main problems we have with prostitution.
I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone could argue that these factors won't be influenced if the industry is regulated. That's like saying that ending prohibition didn't have an impact on bootlegging.

I'll say again: legalizing prostitution doesn't solve all society's ills, but making it illegal does more harm than good.


Originally posted by DayGlow
Or you can bitch about it on the interweb and say 'fuck the police'. Your choice.
Not sure if your post had anything to do with what I said, but for the record, this is not my position. The problem is far bigger than that. The problem is how we, as a society, approach these types of issues.

[Str1der]

Originally posted by DayGlow
Or you can bitch about it on the interweb and say 'fuck the police'. Your choice.

Eazy E is Dead! Long live Eazy E!

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by Tomaz


Whay are you holding out on us man? At least give us something to search! :poosie: lol

Ha! She's out if it now so I doubt you'd find anything online. Just got her massage therapy diploma. (Not THAT kind of massage you sick fuck)

I still have vids, but nobody wants to see my hairy ass.

Believe it or not, this is the only pic I can come up with that even remotely shows off her bod... :(

Sorry boys... no fapping material from this corner....

http://members.shaw.ca/kloubek/public/Untitled-1.jpg

[G-Suede]

Originally posted by Kloubek
Just got her massage therapy diploma. (Not THAT kind of massage you sick fuck)

Hate to break it to you champ, but just because she did a diploma in massage therapy doesn't mean the bulk of her income won't be made by taking some greasy fucks load on her tits while at work. The money is just too easy for an otherwise uneducated and unskilled labourer.

[D. Dub]

Originally posted by JustGo


One could argue that the families of the men soliciting are victims. Going home to their wives and kids after being with women who have a plethora of less-desirable items floating around in their systems.

If you found out your dad was out all night spending his time and money on hookers, that would probably suck. I know it would if you were 7 years old.

From that logic then -- shouldn't we also be arresting men for being cheaters?

It the wife's problem -- not society's

I agree with Pierre Elliott Trudeau -- "the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation..."

[mx73someday]

Originally posted by DayGlow
Sorry the police don't dictate morals, they enforce the laws created by the government and by extension the people.

Police do dictate morals. You are imposing beliefs of what is right or wrong with every interaction. The fact that you adopt the morals of others without consideration is proof of your own corruption. Anyone who looks to legislation for morality will quickly find a contradictory set of beliefs. If you had consistent beliefs, then you could never be a cop because it lacks consistent morality. You continue to deceive yourself by believing that the laws created by people calling themselves government are an extension of the people.



These 'blitzes' happen because the people that live in the communities band together and ask for help. The police work within their framework and combat the problem through enforcement of laws.

Police are only fighting the products of their own work when they enforce laws that cause black markets. The more you push activities into the black market, the more violence and social problems result. You are failing to identify the true source of the problems and as long as you do that you will never solve them.



Hopefully the courts will follow through on their mandates and offer treatment and programs instead of criminal convictions. Does this work?

No it doesn't and it won't ever. The article doesn't mention treatment, it mentions only how the cops were so confident that the "criminals" would be fined that they went ahead and seized $360,000 worth of vehicles. Punishment > Treatment. It's more important to you to maintain negative incentives than it is to actually help people.

[DayGlow]

Well then you're destined to be posting useless rants on the web then. If you want to effect change you'll have to put effort into it.

Police enforce laws. You change the laws you change what is enforced. Police don't exist in a vacume.

[Toma]

Originally posted by mx73someday


What did the Canadians at the border say? Did you have insurance?

Yes, I had insurance, no, no one checks that. They don't care. They are not the police. Why would they?

They check title, export stamp, serial number, bill of sale, and take your money.

[Toma]

Originally posted by G-Suede


Hate to break it to you champ, but just because she did a diploma in massage therapy doesn't mean the bulk of her income won't be made by taking some greasy fucks load on her tits while at work. The money is just too easy for an otherwise uneducated and unskilled labourer.
As a guy with some expertise in the field....

Usually, places labeled "therapeutic massage" are legit, places labeled "relaxation massage" are the happy endings places. The former REQUIRES a licensed therapist, the latter does not.

I do find it funny the cops aren't raiding the latter though, especially since I bet most their workers are not exactly legal immigrants.

[G-Suede]

Originally posted by Toma

As a guy with some expertise in the field....

Usually, places labeled "therapeutic massage" are legit, places labeled "relaxation massage" are the happy endings places. The former REQUIRES a licensed therapist, the latter does not.

I do find it funny the cops aren't raiding the latter though, especially since I bet most their workers are not exactly legal immigrants.

It's a gateway profession. :D

[Toma]

Originally posted by G-Suede


It's a gateway profession. :D
Yep, my old masseuse is now a physical therapist :thumbsup: Another one is a chiropractor.

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by G-Suede


Hate to break it to you champ, but just because she did a diploma in massage therapy doesn't mean the bulk of her income won't be made by taking some greasy fucks load on her tits while at work. The money is just too easy for an otherwise uneducated and unskilled labourer.

Thanks for the info "champ".

I would never put it past her to evolve into that, but for now, she's trying a legit profession. Besides that, she managed to find herself a sugar daddy (I certainly was not it), so she's not hurting for coin.

[DayGlow]

Originally posted by Toma

As a guy with some expertise in the field....

Usually, places labeled "therapeutic massage" are legit, places labeled "relaxation massage" are the happy endings places. The former REQUIRES a licensed therapist, the latter does not.

I do find it funny the cops aren't raiding the latter though, especially since I bet most their workers are not exactly legal immigrants.
the vice guys are constantly investigating places like that. Just because it isn't on the news doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[G-Suede]

Originally posted by Toma

Yep, my old masseuse is now a physical therapist :thumbsup: Another one is a chiropractor.

Actually Toma, I meant it the other way around. Your PT and chiro probably made far more and paid little taxes for rubbing dong.

Edit: in fact, they probably still do it on the side to pad their incomes...most of those dirtbags can't move beyond the easy revenue stream.

[phil98z24]

Originally posted by G-Suede
revenue stream.

Clever... :rofl:

[Toma]

Originally posted by DayGlow

the vice guys are constantly investigating places like that. Just because it isn't on the news doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
What's to investigate?

It's a whorehouse. simple as that.

Leave em alone, leave the hookers alone, leave the Johns alone. However, I have no complaints if they go after the pimps .

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by DayGlow

the vice guys are constantly investigating places like that.

What a great job to have, cumfirming places like that.

[CMW403]

Originally posted by TomcoPDR


What a great job to have, cumfirming places like that.

:rofl: