SUBARU FANBOY BENCH RACING CIRCLE JERK (beware of trolls) was:'cheap' and 'fast'

[bituerbo]

Two 'relative' words, but I would like to see a list of stock vehicles that can get you to 60mph in under 5 seconds, for less than 30 grand USD.

$25k (2010)Subaru Impreza WRX 0-60 4.8 .. 1/4 mi 13.5 @101.1
$29k (2010)Nissan 370z 0-60 4.7 1/4 mi 13.4 @ 104.6
$29k (2011) Ford Mustang GT "5.0" 0-60 in "mid 4's" 1/4 mi "high 12's"
$30k (2010) Chevrolet Camaro SS 0-60 4.7 1/4 mi 13.0 @ ???

The WRX is pretty impressive, doing all this with 150hp less and $5k under budget.

[banned3x]

what the srt4 rated at?

[blackpeople]

Do these cars have to be 2010 or newer?

[dj_rice]

Not sure what the Calibre SRT4 times are but thats one to check out due to bang for buck

[dino_martini]

Originally posted by dj_rice
Not sure what the Calibre SRT4 times are but thats one to check out due to bang for buck

The SRT4 Caliber is 'discontinued' for 2010 model year. Just fyi.

[methodicreign]

arn't those american prices??
according to subaru canada, the WRX starts at 32,000$

[dino_martini]

Originally posted by methodicreign
arn't those american prices??
according to subaru canada, the WRX starts at 32,000$


Originally posted by bituerbo
Two 'relative' words, but I would like to see a list of stock vehicles that can get you to 60mph in under 5 seconds, for less than 30 grand USD.

$25k (2010)Subaru Impreza WRX 0-60 4.8 .. 1/4 mi 13.5 @101.1
$29k (2010)Nissan 370z 0-60 4.7 1/4 mi 13.4 @ 104.6
$29k (2011) Ford Mustang GT "5.0" 0-60 in "mid 4's" 1/4 mi "high 12's"
$30k (2010) Chevrolet Camaro SS 0-60 4.7 1/4 mi 13.0 @ ???

The WRX is pretty impressive, doing all this with 150hp less and $5k under budget.

[bituerbo]

Thanks dino_martini.
Can be 2009 if you can find a dealer with stock on hand.
Caliber SRT4 takes 6-seconds to get to 60mph

[atgilchrist]

Here's Car and Driver's round-up of the quickest cars of 2009 in the $20-25k, and $25-30k groups.

$20000-$25000 (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q1/the_quickest_cars_of_2009_20_000_to_25_000-feature)
$25000-$30000 (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q1/the_quickest_cars_of_2009_25_000_to_30_000-feature)

Coles: WRX is your fastest bet.

[banned3x]

Originally posted by atgilchrist
Here's Car and Driver's round-up of the quickest cars of 2009 in the $20-25k, and $25-30k groups.

$20000-$25000 (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q1/the_quickest_cars_of_2009_20_000_to_25_000-feature)
$25000-$30000 (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q1/the_quickest_cars_of_2009_25_000_to_30_000-feature)

Coles: WRX is your fastest bet.

good read but isn't it illeagle to get to 60 from a stop in 5 secs? Like at a light? Even if you don't pass the speed limit?

[atgilchrist]

Originally posted by banned3x


good read but isn't it illeagle to get to 60 from a stop in 5 secs? Like at a light? Even if you don't pass the speed limit?

To launch like that, you'd have to get some wheelspin, so you could probably get a stunting ticket:dunno:

[Cos]

Originally posted by atgilchrist
Here's Car and Driver's round-up of the quickest cars of 2009 in the $20-25k, and $25-30k groups.

$20000-$25000 (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q1/the_quickest_cars_of_2009_20_000_to_25_000-feature)
$25000-$30000 (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q1/the_quickest_cars_of_2009_25_000_to_30_000-feature)

Coles: WRX is your fastest bet.


Bahahah V6 camry is faster than GTi

[Darell_n]

The cars listed would need a prepped road surface and possibly drag radials to achieve their times. Obviously the WRX is the exception and could probably do it in a ditch somewhere.

[max_boost]

Yeah WRX is a blast to drive. Lots of power. :burnout: :thumbsup:

[benyl]

Originally posted by bituerbo
Two 'relative' words, but I would like to see a list of stock vehicles that can get you to 60mph in under 5 seconds, for less than 30 grand USD.

$25k (2010)Subaru Impreza WRX 0-60 4.8 .. 1/4 mi 13.5 @101.1
$29k (2010)Nissan 370z 0-60 4.7 1/4 mi 13.4 @ 104.6
$29k (2011) Ford Mustang GT "5.0" 0-60 in "mid 4's" 1/4 mi "high 12's"
$30k (2010) Chevrolet Camaro SS 0-60 4.7 1/4 mi 13.0 @ ???

The WRX is pretty impressive, doing all this with 150hp less and $5k under budget.

None of those times are valid in Calgary. You might get close with the WRX.

[Darell_n]

Originally posted by benyl


None of those times are valid in Calgary. You might get close with the WRX.

I agree.

[Enhance]

Cobalt SS is 5.7s to 60mph.
It's also turbo'd so the elevation in Calgary wont be as big of a deal.
Emphasis on "cheap" for everything except the drive train, though.

[blackpeople]

You wouldnt even run that time in calgary with an STI

[xrayvsn]

I have gotten close to 13.5 in my 06 STI when it was stock, but the trap was closer to 98 mph. I did a 13.4 @ 101 with a turboback and tune, but of course we aren't talking about modified vehicles.

[blackpeople]

Originally posted by xrayvsn
I have gotten close to 13.5 in my 06 STI when it was stock, but the trap was closer to 98 mph. I did a 13.4 @ 101 with a turboback and tune, but of course we aren't talking about modified vehicles.
The fastest i have ever seen was me driving a bone stock 06 that belong to a friend at i ran 13.6@98 in it all night

[bituerbo]

Originally posted by blackpeople
You wouldnt even run that time in calgary with an STI

From the c&d link:


The Verdict: Quicker than its big brother, the STI,

The WRX's minimalistic approach to performance accidentally made it faster than the STi. Add and AccessPort and a cat-back, and you will walk the STi.

[89s1]

Originally posted by Cos



Bahahah V6 camry is faster than GTi

v6 camrys are not slow. Ask a buddy of mine with a stock 05 wrx who got walked by a stock 07 v6 camry a few years ago when they first came out with that new body. :angel:

[blackpeople]

Originally posted by bituerbo


From the c&d link:



The WRX's minimalistic approach to performance accidentally made it faster than the STi. Add and AccessPort and a cat-back, and you will walk the STi.
That is one of those see it to believe it statments, so do it up lol

[xrayvsn]

Originally posted by blackpeople

The fastest i have ever seen was me driving a bone stock 06 that belong to a friend at i ran 13.6@98 in it all night

Yes, that's about the best I could get stock, maybe not as quick as you at 13.7, but the same trap.

[TT-fast]

lol ur way off on the 370z, but maybe thats american sticker price cause it defenitly isnt below 50g

[schocker]

Originally posted by TT-fast
lol ur way off on the 370z, but maybe thats american sticker price cause it defenitly isnt below 50g
Well the first line he states 30k US.....

The base 370 in the states is a bargain though at that price.

[95teetee]

Originally posted by atgilchrist
Here's Car and Driver's round-up of the quickest cars of 2009 in the $20-25k, and $25-30k groups.

$20000-$25000 (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q1/the_quickest_cars_of_2009_20_000_to_25_000-feature)
$25000-$30000 (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q1/the_quickest_cars_of_2009_25_000_to_30_000-feature)

Coles: WRX is your fastest bet.
if it's 'under 5 seconds' it looks like the WRX is the only bet :dunno: (at least in this list)

Originally posted by atgilchrist


To launch like that, you'd have to get some wheelspin, so you could probably get a stunting ticket:dunno: what is this 'wheelspin' of which you speak?

Still, even without spinning you can get a stunting ticket for accelerating quickly. Or they can call it 'speed exhibition' in some places (I don't know about here).

[jonnycat]

The WRX is quicker to 60 because the sti needs to hit third gear while the wrx can do it in second. Why would anyone buy a car like this without trying to accelerate as fast as possible at least once, like onto a highway.

I'd definetly get the wrx inthis budget range.

[kolumbo69]

Your all forgetting the STI Tranny was built to take a beating unlike its little brother!

[Shlade]

try 39k for a 2011 5.0 not 29k.

[Ekliptix]

WRX if it's a new car.
C5 Z06 if it's used (an it'll get better fuel economy then the suby)

[Aleks]

Originally posted by Cos



Bahahah V6 camry is faster than GTi

Yup at sea level, however in Calgary it's a different story and the Camry wouldn't come close to keeping up.

WRX/STI acceleration from a stop would be hard to match by any of the cars under 50K. There is a guy in the US who ran 12.9 with his stock WRX :burnout:

[texasnick]

Originally posted by jonnycat
The WRX is quicker to 60 because the sti needs to hit third gear while the wrx can do it in second.

THIS. The article is kind of misleading. To 60 mph, the WRX is quicker, and in the 1/4, the WRX is quicker. This is because the STi's gearing requires it to shift more. However, past 100 mph, I would put my money on the STi. And also around a track, I would put my money on the STi.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by texasnick


THIS. The article is kind of misleading. To 60 mph, the WRX is quicker, and in the 1/4, the WRX is quicker. This is because the STi's gearing requires it to shift more. However, past 100 mph, I would put my money on the STi. And also around a track, I would put my money on the STi.

How about this article?

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/the_lightning_lap_2009-feature/ll1_3a_2009_subaru_impreza_wrx_3e_3_3a16.6_page_4

:nut: Looks like the WRX is quicker around the track too :rofl:

[benyl]

Originally posted by texasnick


THIS. The article is kind of misleading. To 60 mph, the WRX is quicker, and in the 1/4, the WRX is quicker. This is because the STi's gearing requires it to shift more. However, past 100 mph, I would put my money on the STi. And also around a track, I would put my money on the STi.

The only thing the STI has going for it at the moment is the transmission and the tires.

It seems the WRX does everything else better.

[bituerbo]

Originally posted by texasnick


THIS. The article is kind of misleading. To 60 mph, the WRX is quicker, and in the 1/4, the WRX is quicker. This is because the STi's gearing requires it to shift more. However, past 100 mph, I would put my money on the STi. And also around a track, I would put my money on the STi.

If I'm havin a 'stoplight go' then I'm shutting down before 100mph. And as someone has already posted, the WRX is quicker around a track, too.

[jonnycat]

I'm going to have to assume the STi they tested back in 2008 had ringland issues and therefore was slower. lol I mean, at the very least, I have to defend my purchase.

I spent an extra 10k for brembos and wide fenders. So I'll stop faster and have sexy fenders. My Dad always told me a fool and his money are soon parted.

The WRX is a beast for the $ though, and the Sti would be a better platform to build on. If left stock, your money is better spent on the WRX.

[bituerbo]

Originally posted by Shlade
try 39k for a 2011 5.0 not 29k.

$29,645

http://www.egmcartech.com/2010/01/18/leaked-2011-ford-mustang-prices-to-start-at-22145-2011-mustang-gt-to-start-at-29645/

[texasnick]

Originally posted by benyl


The only thing the STI has going for it at the moment is the transmission and the tires.

It seems the WRX does everything else better.

yeah totally. Subaru was stupid to use the STi in WRC, when they had the WRX.

:facepalm:

Suspension
Adjustable Center Differential
Brakes
Wheels
Tires
Transmission
Axles
Driveshaft
Engine

I'm sorry, but while the WRX might be faster than an STi on dry pavement, at lower speeds (which is fine, don't get me wrong), the STi is still a PURPOSE BUILT CAR and, depending on what you are looking for, is worth the extra money over the WRX.

Which one is "faster" depends on what you are using it for.

edit: oh, and that article you posted was comparing a 2010 WRX to a 2008 STi

Quote from the same article:



Brake fade was severe enough that the pedal would sink nearly all the way to the floor, making heel-and-toe downshifting impossible.


Brake fade in an STi? Right.:rolleyes:

[Shlade]

Originally posted by bituerbo


$29,645

http://www.egmcartech.com/2010/01/18/leaked-2011-ford-mustang-prices-to-start-at-22145-2011-mustang-gt-to-start-at-29645/


hmmm :)

Id imagine thatll be in the US only tho correct? thats strange that theyd drop almost 10k from the 2010

[zaider]

Originally posted by bituerbo
Add and AccessPort and a cat-back, and you will walk the STi.

So why would you add a cat-back? The accessport with a cat-back will only take you to Cobb's "Stage 1" which you can do even without a cat-back. Add on a downpipe and then you're into Stage 2 which will result in actual power gains. A catback wont do anything because you still have the restriction of the downpipe.

Wanna do the same modifications to an STI and then compare them?

As has been said, the STI's trans is much stronger. The brakes are much much better. The STI also comes with DCCD which is huge! (screw SI drive, all the lesser modes do is limit the power output). The STI engine is also a lot stronger than the WRX's.

The STI is a much much better car all around.

Here, read this: http://jalopnik.com/5494679/

[heavyD]

The WRX and STI aren't really track stars. As soon as curves in the road come into play the 370Z and even the Mustang GT will smoke them around a track. Slower cars like the MS3 and Cobalts are as fast or faster around a track than the WRX.

[Sorath]

at the end of the day subaru fanboys can argue between a wrx and sti and still get walked on by an evo :P

[texasnick]

Originally posted by Sorath
at the end of the day subaru fanboys can argue between a wrx and sti and still get walked on by an evo :P

oh snap:poosie:

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Sorath
at the end of the day subaru fanboys can argue between a wrx and sti and still get walked on by an evo :P

I didn't want to say it lol.

[G]

I looked at both the STi and the EVO not to long ago. Great cars but can't get over the racer boy looks of them. My wife said great cars if you're 20 something.

[Aleks]

He asked for cheap and fast. 99% of guys on here don't track their cars so I am guessing he's looking for acceleration figures.

I bought my 2010 WRX sedan for $29,900 + fees. That's cheap (Canadian car) for a car that can do 12.9 @ 104 in stock trim. So with all its flaws if looking just for fast WRX is probably the best choice.

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/fastest-times-forum/180160-bone-stock-09-wrx-12-second-1-4-mile-pass.html

[psycoticclown]

Originally posted by jonnycat
I'm going to have to assume the STi they tested back in 2008 had ringland issues and therefore was slower. lol I mean, at the very least, I have to defend my purchase.

I spent an extra 10k for brembos and wide fenders. So I'll stop faster and have sexy fenders. My Dad always told me a fool and his money are soon parted.

The WRX is a beast for the $ though, and the Sti would be a better platform to build on. If left stock, your money is better spent on the WRX.

Dude, I think I saw you a few days ago! Sick ride if it was you.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Aleks
He asked for cheap and fast. 99% of guys on here don't track their cars so I am guessing he's looking for acceleration figures.

I bought my 2010 WRX sedan for $29,900 + fees. That's cheap (Canadian car) for a car that can do 12.9 @ 104 in stock trim. So with all its flaws if looking just for fast WRX is probably the best choice.

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/fastest-times-forum/180160-bone-stock-09-wrx-12-second-1-4-mile-pass.html

It was such a great car you got out of it within a year.;) You just won't admit that it was a little underwhelming (outgrew lol) will you.:poosie:

I'm a NASIOC member as well with a good memory and this quote is from you;

I had a 2008 GTI with DSG and now I have a 2010 WRX and just test drove a 2010 GTI.

WRX is way faster but to me anyways the GTI is more fun to drive daily. It has a better steering feel, better handling (I have modded many cars in the past now I just want a stock new car), it's more comfortable, and looks better inside.

All that being said I sold my GTI because the DSG was starting to act up, it burned a lot of oil (according to VW 1L every 1500kms in normal!!). Granted I never had to take it in but I just didn't think it would last. Oh and I got stuck 5-6 times last winter when we had record snow falls. I had a 2006 WRX as well and I think I liked that car better than my 2010

Sounds to me that you didn't really care for the car that much considering you liked your 2008 GTI and 2007 WRX better then quickly got rid of your 2010. I know why you did it just don't understand why you don't admit it lol is it the fanboy in you?:burnout:

[benyl]

Originally posted by texasnick

yeah totally. Subaru was stupid to use the STi in WRC, when they had the WRX.

:facepalm:

Suspension
Adjustable Center Differential
Brakes
Wheels
Tires
Transmission
Axles
Driveshaft
Engine

I'm sorry, but while the WRX might be faster than an STi on dry pavement, at lower speeds (which is fine, don't get me wrong), the STi is still a PURPOSE BUILT CAR and, depending on what you are looking for, is worth the extra money over the WRX.

Which one is "faster" depends on what you are using it for.

edit: oh, and that article you posted was comparing a 2010 WRX to a 2008 STi

Quote from the same article:
Brake fade in an STi? Right.:rolleyes:
:facepalm:

The DCCD is great, if you are a rally star. The reality is, you never use it on the street and how often do people really track an STI? Only on the most stormy days would I put the DCCD in the lock position. Otherwise, the DCCD switch need not be used on the street. Its a toy otherwise.

Suspension? have you ever seen a 2010 STI go around a corner at speed? The thing is ready to roll over. Ask Kevie88 about body roll. While you are at it, ask Kevie88 about how great the STI brakes are...

For the price you pay for a WRX265, the performance you get is a far better bang for the buck over the current STI.

By the way, the STI has not changed since 2008, so your point is moot.

[Sugarphreak]

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[jdm_eg6]

Originally posted by Enhance
Cobalt SS is 5.7s to 60mph.
It's also turbo'd so the elevation in Calgary wont be as big of a deal.
Emphasis on "cheap" for everything except the drive train, though.

weird, they still have a hard time keeping up with a S13 with 9psi..

guess you could chalk up 93' S13's up there at average of $6,000. ;)

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


I am not sure I follow your mockery... if the OP is looking for fast & cheap (which I can only assume he is by the thread title), then even by the quote you pulled the WRX is still the obvious choice.

I'm just ribbing Aleks. We all know the WRX is great in a straight line. It's just mediocre at everything else. The OP only started this thread to talk up the WRX.

[Sugarphreak]

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[heavyD]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
^^ It is kind of an interesting conundrum, while the WRX holds the top spot for a number of performance benchmarks in this price range, yet most of the reviews that come back are always leaning towards either the GTI or Evo as being more "fun" to drive.

What is a guy to do... I actually agree in principle that going with the Fun vehicle is always the way to go.

But if you are buying it just to drive in a straight line at Race City or do race people light to light... well the numbers don't lie.

Don't let posters sway you. Get the car that feels right to you. If you try enough cars you usually find a few that just feel right. I made a mistake once. I was offered Chrysler employee pricing on a new fully loaded 2005 Neon SRT-4 ACR. The 2.4L turbo hauled and I knew with mods could easily run in a straight line with STI's and EVO's. I figured I could live with the styling and interior because of the straight line performance. I was wrong. I put on Mopar S2 with toys and other mods, etc but I hate understeer and those cars were like plows even with the ACR package and I never really warmed to the car. It never gave me any problems or anything but it just didn't offer much outside of straight line speed. It just wasn't very fun to drive.

Fun cars always stay fun but one trick pony's don't. The reason the GTI and MS3 always beat the WRX in comparisons is because they are better overall cars. I don't compare the EVO with the WRX because they are different range cars really in price and performance. The WRX isn't a bad car by any means and for some it's the right car however don't get blinded by straight line numbers only.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by heavyD


It was such a great car you got out of it within a year.;) You just won't admit that it was a little underwhelming (outgrew lol) will you.:poosie:

I'm a NASIOC member as well with a good memory and this quote is from you;

I had a 2008 GTI with DSG and now I have a 2010 WRX and just test drove a 2010 GTI.

WRX is way faster but to me anyways the GTI is more fun to drive daily. It has a better steering feel, better handling (I have modded many cars in the past now I just want a stock new car), it's more comfortable, and looks better inside.

All that being said I sold my GTI because the DSG was starting to act up, it burned a lot of oil (according to VW 1L every 1500kms in normal!!). Granted I never had to take it in but I just didn't think it would last. Oh and I got stuck 5-6 times last winter when we had record snow falls. I had a 2006 WRX as well and I think I liked that car better than my 2010

Sounds to me that you didn't really care for the car that much considering you liked your 2008 GTI and 2007 WRX better then quickly got rid of your 2010. I know why you did it just don't understand why you don't admit it lol is it the fanboy in you?:burnout:

:eek: Stalker!

I stand by those comments. GTI is the best car in class by far IMO. But it's probably one of the slower too. OP wants a cheap fast car and WRX wins that, even if it underwhelms in other areas ;)

[canehdianJ]

:facepalm:


DCCD is great. I use it all the time in the summer. Full open. And in the winter i use it as well, 3 steps away from full open. And Auto allows the DCCD to shuffle the torque around to keep everything in check when its slippery.

I have kevie88's old 06 sti.

The reasons i feel the evo s a more fun car
-better steering feel
-active yaw control
-lighter

The reasons i chose the sti instead
-looks
-sound
-feel of the car

When it comes down to it there are lots of fast cars out there, and people choose them accordingly. Im sure you are all big top gear nuts too. Both jeremy and richard both chose the subaru over the evo EVERY time. (old models, not hatchs)

The WRX is way below the STi.

Also. I doubt anyone with a Evo or a STi cares about 0-60 so long as its below 5sec. all that matters is how it fares on gravel roads and ice tracks and the twisties. I didnt buy a rally car to drag race.

The sti is set up to understeer. The stock camber settings prove this. I would put out there that to make the sti just as fun as the evo you require

- new sway bars
- new springs (04-07 sti)
- Steering rack busings.

I guess the evo beats it out of the box though..

[Sorath]

evo beats it in everyway..... modability is so much easier than subaru same with the dealer support. sti better looking than evo? please.... only reason the sti is outselling the evo right now is because of pricing, and practicallity, the only thing right subaru has done with the sti is making it a hatch, so there is tons of room. don't know if you've driven a new sti, but they are boring as hell to drive. worse than my 06 sti, and my sti is pretty boring, hell my civic si was more fun to drive. gpomp agrees

also jeremy and richard from top gear, picked the sti because its a completely different car. we get the north american junk 2.5L and they get the jdm 2.0L

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Aleks


:eek: Stalker!

I stand by those comments. GTI is the best car in class by far IMO. But it's probably one of the slower too. OP wants a cheap fast car and WRX wins that, even if it underwhelms in other areas ;)

Not a stalker at all. I posted in that thread as well.:)

I also agree that the GTI is by far the best car you can buy under $40K CDN. No arguments there.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Sorath

also jeremy and richard from top gear, picked the sti because its a completely different car. we get the north american junk 2.5L and they get the jdm 2.0L

I'm a little confused. Which year of car are we talking about? I have season 10 on DVD and Jeremy hated the 2008 STI and loved the EVO X saying no other car in the world drives like it.

This is it:
http://www.spike.com/video/top-gear-evo-x-vs/3077798

[texasnick]

Originally posted by benyl

:facepalm:

The DCCD is great, if you are a rally star. The reality is, you never use it on the street and how often do people really track an STI? Only on the most stormy days would I put the DCCD in the lock position. Otherwise, the DCCD switch need not be used on the street. Its a toy otherwise.

Suspension? have you ever seen a 2010 STI go around a corner at speed? The thing is ready to roll over. Ask Kevie88 about body roll. While you are at it, ask Kevie88 about how great the STI brakes are...

For the price you pay for a WRX265, the performance you get is a far better bang for the buck over the current STI.

By the way, the STI has not changed since 2008, so your point is moot.

you do realize this I was comparing the STi and the WRX. Not, "oh the STi's got a sloppy suspension and brakes, end statement." Compared to the WRX, the STi has a WAAAY better setup as far as those things are concerned. I honestly have a hard time believe that you think the WRX has just as good brakes and suspension as the STi does. Seriously, you're grasping pretty hard for some pretty flawed arguments. DCCD is only good if you're a rally star?! The STi brembo's are crap brakes?!:nut:

Honestly, if you're trying to justify having bought a WRX, you don't need to. They are wicked cars for what you pay for them. I was just "correcting" all the people in here that have been saying things like "why buy an STi, the WRX is better in every way."

And I know quite a few people who track their STi, and WRXs. Maybe not down the 1/4 mile, but have you been out to a winter autocross yet? There are more than a handful of people in Calgary alone who track their subarus....

You do realize that Subaru isn't dumb enough to completely undermine their flagship "fun car" with a WRX right? Why in God's green earth would Subaru take sales from themselves with a car that's "just as good, but a lot cheaper." Oh right, they must not realize that the WRX is just as good as an STi. Idiots.

Anyways, this thread has gone waaaay off topic. Sorry for that. I don't think I will post in here again unless it's relevant to the thread subject.

Out of all the cars the OP listed though, I would still definitely go with the WRX for the money. If I didn't live in Calgary, it might be a different story, but they are a pretty "complete package" type car for our area.

[Sorath]

Originally posted by heavyD


I'm a little confused. Which year of car are we talking about? I have season 10 on DVD and Jeremy hated the 2008 STI and loved the EVO X saying no other car in the world drives like it.

This is it:
http://www.spike.com/video/top-gear-evo-x-vs/3077798

he was comparing an 04 or 05 sti to the 04 05 evo

[benyl]

Originally posted by texasnick

The STi brembo's are crap brakes?!:nut:

They aren't as good as you think they are... But what ever, I guess I never owned an STI like you have. I guess I never modded an STI like you have. Nor have I ever tuned or tracked a 2005 STI.

I am also guessing I don't have a 2009 STI sitting in my garage right now like you do. Yes, I know nothing about STIs.

Originally posted by texasnick
I was just "correcting" all the people in here that have been saying things like "why buy an STi, the WRX is better in every way."

Nobody ever said that the WRX was better than the STI in every way. Maybe read the thread again?

In my humble opinion, from a performance point of view, the STI is not worth the extra $15K for the minimal gains you get. This has been proven time and time again by many publications and posted track times.

The same dilemma occurs with the 335i and the M3. 95% of the suspension components are shared and it costs about $2.5K to retrofit all the M3 parts to the 335i. But I know nothing about that either. Is the M3 worth $25K more? It must be! It is an M!

Originally posted by texasnick

You do realize that Subaru isn't dumb enough to completely undermine their flagship "fun car" with a WRX right? Why in God's green earth would Subaru take sales from themselves with a car that's "just as good, but a lot cheaper." Oh right, they must not realize that the WRX is just as good as an STi. Idiots.

Thank you for calling me stupid. Yes, I know nothing about marketing. You must be a marketing guru. In fact, can you tell me why a company, like oh let's say GM, released a car that cannibalizes the sales of their Halo car by putting the SAME engine in both cars? Or why BMW has come out with the 335iS that creeps ever so much closer to the M3?

Both BMW and GM must be Idiots like Subaru! It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that most of those cars are niche market cars, would it? It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that they cater to completely different demographic and psychographic parts of the population?

I can't see my grandmother driving an C63, M3, Corvette or STI, but I sure as hell can see her driving a C350, 335, Camaro or a WRX. But then again, I don't know anything about that either.

Originally posted by texasnick

Anyways, this thread has gone waaaay off topic. Sorry for that. I don't think I will post in here again unless it's relevant to the thread subject.

Please come back and enlighten us with your wisdom since we are all not worthy.

The WRX is a better bargain than the STI.


EVO X FTMFW! (too bad it is so expensive! haha)

By the way, the DCCD fully open is an Open diff and you may as well be driving a WRX if you are going around like that all day. Oh wait, I don't know anything about the DCCD.

[texasnick]

If you want to make arguments that my 15 year old sister could pick apart, PM me. Let's not clutter this thread any further :thumbsup:

And I'm sorry if you think I was calling you stupid. I was very sarcastically referring to Subaru. ;)

[jonnycat]

Originally posted by psycoticclown


Dude, I think I saw you a few days ago! Sick ride if it was you.

Were you in a white or Silver Legacy GT on Hwy 3? If so that was me. I definetly noticed the Legacy, great looking cars.

Edit: I couldn't see your sig on my Blackberry, definetly not White or Silver.

While the STi is way tighter than my old Magnum, it could use some handling upgrades, since I am not using it the way it is set up from the factory for rallying.

[Sorath]

whats with this subaru fanboy troll that drives a jdm celica?

subaru envy?

[blackpeople]

Originally posted by Sorath
whats with this subaru fanboy troll that drives a jdm celica?

subaru envy?

^^^evo fan boy that drives a sti:D Lotsa love mang

[Sorath]

pffft who drives that piece of shit anyways, it sits in the garage all the time :rofl:

[blackpeople]

Originally posted by Sorath
pffft who drives that piece of shit anyways, it sits in the garage all the time :rofl:

hey hey thats no way to talk about the skyline thats gonna get stomped on by the Evil Eagle :poosie:

[gretz]

Originally posted by blackpeople


hey hey thats no way to talk about the skyline thats gonna get stomped on by the Evil Eagle :poosie:

Them sounds like bettin words

[Sorath]

ooooooooh, who's car is in pieces now and who's is running and driven to work today? :D

[texasnick]

Originally posted by Sorath
whats with this subaru fanboy troll that drives a jdm celica?

subaru envy?

How does me calling the STi a better car than a WRX make me a subaru fanboy?:dunno:

PS Don't you have candy to stock up on? Summer time is almost here.

[blackpeople]

Originally posted by gretz


Them sounds like bettin words
Ohh they are lol



Originally posted by Sorath
ooooooooh, who's car is in pieces now and who's is running and driven to work today? :D

You started building yours before me lol




:nut:

[bituerbo]

Can a mod pls change the title to SUBARU DEBATE THREAD?

kthxstoptrollinmuhthreadz

[BrknFngrs]

Have you started looking into importing each of the vehicles yet? I was actually looking at the USDM WRXs as well since the price is attractive at the moment.

[slinkie]

Originally posted by texasnick
If you want to make arguments that my 15 year old sister could pick apart,

pics?

[whiskas]

Originally posted by bituerbo
Can a mod pls change the title to SUBARU DEBATE THREAD?

kthxstoptrollinmuhthreadz

More like SUBARU FANBOY BENCH RACING CIRCLE JERK EXTRAVAGANZA

[bituerbo]

Originally posted by whiskas


More like SUBARU FANBOY BENCH RACING CIRCLE JERK EXTRAVAGANZA

This works too.


Mods???



edit: fuck that was FAST.

[bulaian]

lol at the new thread title :rofl:

[bituerbo]

EVO MSRP is over 30k and is ineligible for thread discussion. If you wish to bring a mitsu product into this debate, it will have to be the ralliart, which is slower than the WRX, just like the STi.

[texasnick]

hahaha classic.

Would a mod kindly PM me and illustrate how I have been trolling this thread any more than others in here? That wasn't my intention


Originally posted by slinkie


pics?

Sure but photobucket is blocked at work, so maybe later. That's pretty gross though man.

[Shlade]

bahahahaha Racing circle jerk, amazing title!

[syeve]

lawl at title...that's about it though. A lot of vagina in this thread...not the good kind...the smelly kind.

[slinkie]

just pm the pics
\
kthx

[benyl]

Originally posted by bituerbo
EVO MSRP is over 30k and is ineligible for thread discussion. If you wish to bring a mitsu product into this debate, it will have to be the ralliart, which is slower than the WRX, just like the STi.

:rofl: :rofl:

You know the best part, the ralliart is more expensive than the WRX. Just like the STI!

[heavyD]

Originally posted by benyl


:rofl: :rofl:

You know the best part, the ralliart is more expensive than the WRX. Just like the STI!

Isn't a base Ralliart cheaper than a base WRX? Fully loaded it is more but it carries much more equipment you can't get in a WRX such as HID's, NAV, heated Recaro Seats, EVO IX AWD system, etc and a Twin Clutch transmission. I don't want to bring the car into the discussion as it is slower than the WRX and severely undertired but it does do 0-60 in 5.4 seconds which isn't exactly slow.

[benyl]

The mistu starts at $27K US.

http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/build.do?modelId=100031&loc=en-us

The WRX starts at $25k US.

http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/impreza-wrx/wrx/index.html

[texasnick]

Originally posted by slinkie
just pm the pics
\
kthx

edit.....attachment didn't work...sorry man

[heavyD]

Originally posted by benyl
The mistu starts at $27K US.

http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/build.do?modelId=100031&loc=en-us

The WRX starts at $25k US.

http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/impreza-wrx/wrx/index.html

You're right. It's funny that there is only a $600 difference between them in Canada.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by bituerbo
EVO MSRP is over 30k and is ineligible for thread discussion. If you wish to bring a mitsu product into this debate, it will have to be the ralliart, which is slower than the WRX, just like the STi.

So I think you have your answer. WRX is the fastest car you can buy for the money new right now. And US dealers sometimes sell below invoice making the deals even better. (Not sure they are allowed to sell new to Canadians anymore though).

[slinkie]

ralliart is a cool car for blind people

[psycoticclown]

Originally posted by jonnycat


Were you in a white or Silver Legacy GT on Hwy 3? If so that was me. I definetly noticed the Legacy, great looking cars.

Edit: I couldn't see your sig on my Blackberry, definetly not White or Silver.

While the STi is way tighter than my old Magnum, it could use some handling upgrades, since I am not using it the way it is set up from the factory for rallying.

No, I was in my buddies car, an 09 Outlander I think.


The ralliart lancer is a pretty nice car actually, I've driven like 2 or 3 of em, great cars, great trannies and pretty nice interiors. Definitely not slow for sure. Driven the Evo X a few times too and it's a great car, never driven the STi, only the WRX so I can't compare the 2. The Ralliart is definitely nicer inside with a nicer transmission the the WRX but felt a lot slower.

[BrknFngrs]

Originally posted by Aleks
(Not sure they are allowed to sell new to Canadians anymore though).

You are correct, I just got off the phone with Carter Subaru in Seattle and they will not sell new vehicles to Canadians. Apparently the way that Subaru of America is policing it is by penalizing a dealers allocations if they sell to Canadians (ie: they sell one car to a Canadian the dealership is allocated 3 less cars in their next allocation as a punishment)

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Sorath


he was comparing an 04 or 05 sti to the 04 05 evo

Watch it past the 1st min, it's EVO X vs 08 Sti

And lol @ new title

[Tux0r]

this is great... amazing how this turned into wrx vs sti debate out of the original post.

[Zephyr]

I got my 2009 wrx for 25k out the door. Quick little hatchback, well worth the value..VF52 turbo stock :burnout:

[banned3x]

okay im totally confused IF i were to go to subaru RIgHT now and i had enough money to buy a sti or wrx, which should i get? im confused the wrx is better then the sti but the sti is twice as much$$$???

can someone explain what the fuck is going on here?

[heavyD]

Originally posted by banned3x
okay im totally confused IF i were to go to subaru RIgHT now and i had enough money to buy a sti or wrx, which should i get? im confused the wrx is better then the sti but the sti is twice as much$$$???

can someone explain what the fuck is going on here?

The answer is simple. If you have the money to buy an STI or WRX buy the best one the appeals to what is most important to you. If you want the best performer get the EVO X if you want the best all around at a lesser price get the GTI.:rofl:

[Sorath]

Originally posted by Xtrema


Watch it past the 1st min, it's EVO X vs 08 Sti

And lol @ new title

naw the video i was talking about was the video the subaru fan boy saw.

[KRyn]

Holy shit! I never thought I would live to see the day when Subaru drivers would become bigger douchebags than BMW drivers.