FN49
03-16-2010, 07:16 PM
Hey Guys,
I need to vent a little so here goes.
On March 1, 2009 I took my car to Festival Ford in Red Deer to have some warranty work done. The warranty was due to expire on March 15, 2009. The problems I listed were:
1. A loud noise on start up that only happened when it was cold (-15 C or colder) and seemed to be related to the accessories belt as the belt moved from side to side when this happened.
2. A cold start problem that happened at zero degrees C or colder where the car would turn over for a long time before starting if it started at all on the first attempt. If the ignition was cycled on and off 2 or 3 times and then turned to the start position, the car would start immediately.
3. The power steering fluid level had gone down, although it was still in acceptable range.
I dropped the car off in the morning and asked the service advisor if these issues would be covered by warranty. The service advisor told me these issues would be covered by warranty. To avoid any confusion I also gave the service advisor a letter that described the above issues I wanted addressed along with a note at the bottom saying: BEFORE DOING ANY WORK PLEASE CALL ME TO LET ME KNOW WHAT WILL BE COVERED BY THE WARRANTY. I WILL NOT PAY FOR ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT AUTHORIZED BY ME. The service advisor read the letter and placed it with their other paperwork about the car.
Since it was a cold start problem that would probably not occur with a warm engine, the service advisor asked me if they could park it outside overnight and start it in the morning to see if they could replicate the problems. I agreed.
On Wednesday the service advisor called to tell me that the mechanic had found the problems with the noise on cold start. The car required a new belt and tensioner which they had to order in.
On Tuesday March 16, 2010, the service advisor called me to ask if I wanted to come in and discuss the cold start problem with herself and the mechanic as they could not reproduce the problem. I told her I didn’t think that would be of any value since I had already told both of them everything I could about it. They told me the other repair had been made, so I told her I would pick up the car in the afternoon.
The service advisor called me back about 10 minutes later to tell that they where charging me $104.95 as a diagnostic fee since they could not find the cold start problem.
When I went to the dealership I told the service advisor that I did not think the $104.95 charge was fair because:
1. No one had told me that there would be a diagnostic fee if no problem was found.
2. I had verbally asked her to call me for approval if anything was to be charged to me BEFOREHAND.
3. I had written her that I would pay for nothing unless it was approved by me first.
When I pointed out what I had wrote on the letter the service advisor took me to her manager. The service advisor then told me that by taking the car there to get serviced I had authorized them to charge me the diagnostic fee. After arguing with the manager and the service advisor for 10 minutes it was obvious they would not give me the car with out me paying the $104.95, so I paid and tried to leave. However the battery was dead so I had to get them to give me a boost. When I went back inside and asked the service advisor why the battery was dead she said “I don’t know we started it everyday.” I hope they did not wreck the battery. I will charge it and test it later. Although if they did damage it, I have no recourse.
I don’t agree with Ford’s policy of charging diagnostic time to the customer if they can’t find a problem. All it does is reward them for intermittent problems. Basically they are charging the customer for problems he has with his vehicle. I thought the whole idea of a warranty was not to pay for repairs. For all I know they never did any diagnostics on my car, they could have just started it once and when it didn’t exhibit the problem they may have never looked at it again. The more times a customer comes in for the same problem the more money they make. Even if I did agree with this policy it doesn’t matter. Even if I did agree with this policy it doesn’t matter. I clearly told them (verbally and in writing) to call me first BEFORE I was to be charged with anything. If I knew they would charge me diagnostics to find the cold start problem I wouldn’t bother to get them to look at it. I would have looked at it myself when the car was off warranty.
I called Ford Warranty and they basically were no help and took the side of the dealer.
I am very disappointed with Festival Ford and I will no longer buy ANYTHING from their dealership and I will encourage my friends and family to do the same. I think this is a poor way to conduct business and treat customers.
I need to vent a little so here goes.
On March 1, 2009 I took my car to Festival Ford in Red Deer to have some warranty work done. The warranty was due to expire on March 15, 2009. The problems I listed were:
1. A loud noise on start up that only happened when it was cold (-15 C or colder) and seemed to be related to the accessories belt as the belt moved from side to side when this happened.
2. A cold start problem that happened at zero degrees C or colder where the car would turn over for a long time before starting if it started at all on the first attempt. If the ignition was cycled on and off 2 or 3 times and then turned to the start position, the car would start immediately.
3. The power steering fluid level had gone down, although it was still in acceptable range.
I dropped the car off in the morning and asked the service advisor if these issues would be covered by warranty. The service advisor told me these issues would be covered by warranty. To avoid any confusion I also gave the service advisor a letter that described the above issues I wanted addressed along with a note at the bottom saying: BEFORE DOING ANY WORK PLEASE CALL ME TO LET ME KNOW WHAT WILL BE COVERED BY THE WARRANTY. I WILL NOT PAY FOR ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT AUTHORIZED BY ME. The service advisor read the letter and placed it with their other paperwork about the car.
Since it was a cold start problem that would probably not occur with a warm engine, the service advisor asked me if they could park it outside overnight and start it in the morning to see if they could replicate the problems. I agreed.
On Wednesday the service advisor called to tell me that the mechanic had found the problems with the noise on cold start. The car required a new belt and tensioner which they had to order in.
On Tuesday March 16, 2010, the service advisor called me to ask if I wanted to come in and discuss the cold start problem with herself and the mechanic as they could not reproduce the problem. I told her I didn’t think that would be of any value since I had already told both of them everything I could about it. They told me the other repair had been made, so I told her I would pick up the car in the afternoon.
The service advisor called me back about 10 minutes later to tell that they where charging me $104.95 as a diagnostic fee since they could not find the cold start problem.
When I went to the dealership I told the service advisor that I did not think the $104.95 charge was fair because:
1. No one had told me that there would be a diagnostic fee if no problem was found.
2. I had verbally asked her to call me for approval if anything was to be charged to me BEFOREHAND.
3. I had written her that I would pay for nothing unless it was approved by me first.
When I pointed out what I had wrote on the letter the service advisor took me to her manager. The service advisor then told me that by taking the car there to get serviced I had authorized them to charge me the diagnostic fee. After arguing with the manager and the service advisor for 10 minutes it was obvious they would not give me the car with out me paying the $104.95, so I paid and tried to leave. However the battery was dead so I had to get them to give me a boost. When I went back inside and asked the service advisor why the battery was dead she said “I don’t know we started it everyday.” I hope they did not wreck the battery. I will charge it and test it later. Although if they did damage it, I have no recourse.
I don’t agree with Ford’s policy of charging diagnostic time to the customer if they can’t find a problem. All it does is reward them for intermittent problems. Basically they are charging the customer for problems he has with his vehicle. I thought the whole idea of a warranty was not to pay for repairs. For all I know they never did any diagnostics on my car, they could have just started it once and when it didn’t exhibit the problem they may have never looked at it again. The more times a customer comes in for the same problem the more money they make. Even if I did agree with this policy it doesn’t matter. Even if I did agree with this policy it doesn’t matter. I clearly told them (verbally and in writing) to call me first BEFORE I was to be charged with anything. If I knew they would charge me diagnostics to find the cold start problem I wouldn’t bother to get them to look at it. I would have looked at it myself when the car was off warranty.
I called Ford Warranty and they basically were no help and took the side of the dealer.
I am very disappointed with Festival Ford and I will no longer buy ANYTHING from their dealership and I will encourage my friends and family to do the same. I think this is a poor way to conduct business and treat customers.