It doesn't get better then a FORD

[89coupe]

Car and Driver finally tests the GT40. They put it up against the Ferrari Challenge Stradale & the Porsche 911 GT3.

Test Results were completely dominated by the GT40 :o

The Ferrari came in at $196,000. US The Porsche GT3 came in at $120,000.00 US and the GT40 at $150,000.00 US. They said the only cars that could match the GT40's performance in production today are the Ferrari Enzo at $659,000.00 and the Saleen S7 at $401,000.00

Mmmm I wonder what is the best bang for the buck?

http://www.performance-shop.com/bradsstuff/testresults.jpg

[three.eighteen.]

why would they use the gt3? its not the fastest 911...

[DUBBED]

interesting...

[T5_X]

Originally posted by three.eighteen.
why would they use the gt3? its not the fastest 911...

:werd: :dunno:

anyway, :thumbsup: to ford..... I just wish they had something an average shmo can afford to compete against the vette :(

[/////AMG]

Very interesting...

BTW anyone know how much the Porsche Carrera GT is going for?

[Team_Mclaren]

what would be a faster prosche other than the carrera GT

[GTS Jeff]

did they test the cars handling?

[Khyron]

Damn when I first heard about this car people were speculating the thing would be around 60K US. Obviously that went out the window. The other cars are NA, the Ford isn't - put a SC on the porsche or ferrari and see what happens.

That all said, I love the GT.

Khyron

[T5_X]

Originally posted by Porsche_944
Very interesting...

BTW anyone know how much the Porsche Carrera GT is going for?

True supercar class, around 430,000 USD

[89coupe]

Yes they did. It dominated in everything. Handling, braking, everything!



Originally posted by GTS Jeff
did they test the cars handling?

[rice_eater]

Originally posted by three.eighteen.
why would they use the gt3? its not the fastest 911...

so it would win the challenge:nut:

[89coupe]

I don't think so...
Porsche couldn’t leave the explosively fast 911 Turbo alone: enter the 911 GT2. The 3.6L flat-6 twin-turbo has been tuned to 456-bhp/457 lb.-ft. A 6-speed manual is standard. The RWD GT2 is 220 lbs. lighter than the 911 Turbo. Top speed is estimated at 195 mph. 0-60 mph (~4 sec.), 0-124 mph (12.9 sec.). 18-inch wheels mount 235/40ZR18 and 315/30ZR18 (F/R) tires. Lighter ceramic disc rotors (PCCB) provide enhanced braking and long service life. A new, driver adjusted 1-piece rear wing distinguishes the GT2 from the 911 Turbo. Other upgrades include a lowered suspension with stiffer springs, transmission oil cooler, and dry sump lubrication



Originally posted by rice_eater


so it would win the challenge:nut:

[hooligan]

.

[sandman]

ok, well for starters, at then end of the day, u can drive a ford, or a porsche/ferrari, so how many ppl if given lets say 180 K USD would drive a ford?
plus car and driver isnt really the best place for speed stats coz they hav stats that are usually way off from others, they qouted the S2K at 14.4, other sources all were around 13.8 ish
so IMO there lil bias, but i sitll like em, coz they quoted my car at 13.7 :clap: lol

[ZorroAMG]

hehe...Ford..:rolleyes:

"my Ford does 0-60 in 3.3 seconds, it can do the quarter mile in under 12 se..

"I'm sorry, but did you say you drive a Ford? Hmmmm... i see... ummm...Let me out now, ok? Great...."


"But baby, it's super fast!!!"

"Taxi!!!"

LOL

[04blackMAX]

true that, i would never pay 180k for a ford anyting, not even if it was the fastest production car ever made, most people dont buy a ferrari cause they wanny drive 200mph (well in north america anyways)..alot buy for the prestiege....which ford has NONE.....might as well make the srt-4 180k

[rc2002]

Yeah, they should've used the Porsche GT2 or the Porsche Carerra GT. The GT has a sticker price of $441,000US.

Still, for the price you pay for a GT40, you're getting some serious performance...

[maximus]

ummmmm.....let me think........
for $30,000 less I'll take the Porshe. I'll make up for the .7 sec deficit in the quartermile with style!!

[04blackMAX]

hahaha nicely put!!

[sandman]

hm, exactly
no prestige in a ford
i may as well jus take my 300, dump like anotyer 50 grand into it, and for half the price, no even less, i can hav a car that ciould drop kick a GT40 and drive off w/out it not knowing wat hit it

another thing
giv the car a few years, wait till the ford kicks in, see how much repairs are on it, jus look at vipers, ever see one selling selling for more than 100 000 kms?
whereas a porsche theres been tonnes of older 944s w/ higher mileage sold

[fast95pony]

Originally posted by Khyron
The other cars are NA, the Ford isn't - put a SC on the porsche or ferrari and see what happens.

Khyron

That would be a Porsche GT2 , (okay it's a turbo ..) and the price balloons to $182,00 USD:eek: . A SC on a Ferrari would mean no warranty and probably a grenaded engine ! :D


I've seen a GT3 lapping at Race City.It was hella fast !! I wonder if I'll ever see a GT (or GT40 ) doing the same ??
:(

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by 04blackMAX
..alot buy for the prestiege....which ford has NONE..... The original GT40 has tons of prestige, and the new car uses every bit of the racing history the originals had and then some as marketing value. Like it or not, the original GT40s handed ferrari their asses on a plate on the track, and the new version looks like its having no problems repeating the feat. Be interesting to see if Ford builds a race version and takes these to Le Mans as well.

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by fast95pony

I've seen a GT3 lapping at Race City.It was hella fast !! I wonder if I'll ever see a GT (or GT40 ) doing the same ??
:( I don't know about the new ones, but there are a couple of vintage GT40s in town that see regular track time with the vintage club. They are quite a sight.

[fast95pony]

Originally posted by sandman

another thing
giv the car a few years, wait till the ford kicks in, see how much repairs are on it, jus look at vipers, ever see one selling selling for more than 100 000 kms?
whereas a porsche theres been tonnes of older 944s w/ higher mileage sold


Pulll-ease !!

There were a lot more 944's built than Vipers ! Viper owners don't put a lot of mileage on their cars .
Vipers are built by Chrysler.We are talking about Ford.
Let's a least compare similar cars !!
What about GT2 repair costs ?? Ferrari ??

True,Ford doesn't have the prestige of Porsche or Ferrari.
But if your saying Ford's repair bills are going to be higher,
you're out to lunch !!
:rolleyes:

[fast95pony]

Originally posted by 4wheeldrift
I don't know about the new ones, but there are a couple of vintage GT40s in town that see regular track time with the vintage club. They are quite a sight.


Really ?? I'll have to check that out . I've missed several of the "Vintage on the prairie" days :(

[ZorroAMG]

Funny thing is, Ford's labour rate on their civilian cars is higher than porsche's....hmmm...will wonders never cease?

[sandman]

Originally posted by fast95pony



Pulll-ease !!

There were a lot more 944's built than Vipers ! Viper owners don't put a lot of mileage on their cars .
Vipers are built by Chrysler.We are talking about Ford.
Let's a least compare similar cars !!
What about GT2 repair costs ?? Ferrari ??

True,Ford doesn't have the prestige of Porsche or Ferrari.
But if your saying Ford's repair bills are going to be higher,
you're out to lunch !!
:rolleyes:

uh, refer to zorroamgs last post
and im guessing since american enginerring is so far behind the others (case in point... a V6 stang, new one, and a 350Z, hell, compara to a stock 300ZX NA) or a stang GT and a SC420, granted SC costs a lil more but engine to engine comparison,
all that in mind im guessin the engine is pretty high strung, after wa while it'd go t pieces, aka the ford kicks in, and, well, ill take zorros word on the labour costs, if nothing they;; b about the same, if u feel comfortable speiding 150 K on a ford then repair csts, in my opinon ur the one out to lunch

[NickGT]

Good for Ford! Once again proving europeans aren't the only ones who know how to go fast in style. Talk about bang for your buck! Just another feather in their hat to go with the SVT Cobra, SVT Lightning, and SVT Focus. What's for car enthusiasts to bitch about?

Oh yah but its a "Ford" :rolleyes: Good arguement guys.

[flizzy home daw]

Originally posted by FoxLX
Good for Ford! Once again proving europeans aren't the only ones who know how to go fast in style. Talk about bang for your buck! Just another feather in their hat to go with the SVT Cobra, SVT Lightning, and SVT Focus. What's for car enthusiasts to bitch about?

Oh yah but its a "Ford" :rolleyes: Good arguement guys.


Yeah dude no shit...ford always has the best bang for the buck...

[THREE40SEVEN]

some of you have no appreciation for a modern version of a racing legend :thumbsdow

I've seen the same results from other tests. It won everywhere.

Its funny to hear some of you who either drive a grocery getter or dont even drive a car talk about "prestige" LOL..
Gimme a break:nut:
If it had vtec (same as a turbo) and a honda badge it'd be a different story.

[legereandrew4]

what about the new viper? Im not sure the price tag but i now its putting out the same numbers... I read it in some megazine few months back, putting out 505hp, 0-60 in liek 3.8 or somthing... and the stlye.... viper all the way...

[fast95pony]

Originally posted by ZorroAMG
Funny thing is, Ford's labour rate on their civilian cars is higher than porsche's....hmmm...will wonders never cease?


Really ?? Wow !!

How do parts compare ?? Ford's not cheap sometimes,but I can't see them being as high as Porsche's ??



Personally I wouldn't spend $150,000 on ANY car !! But there's some people out there who have money to burn I guess.

[04blackMAX]

Originally posted by FoxLX
Good for Ford! Once again proving europeans aren't the only ones who know how to go fast in style. Talk about bang for your buck! Just another feather in their hat to go with the SVT Cobra, SVT Lightning, and SVT Focus. What's for car enthusiasts to bitch about?

Oh yah but its a "Ford" :rolleyes: Good arguement guys.


your comparing a 150,000 gt40 to the focus and mustang....hahahahahaha, id say this is fords first feather in a long while

[hampstor]

It's good that Ford is bringing back some of their heritage. The 'ferrari' killer shall rise again!

[sandman]

well said
any of those cars apart from the GT40, buy any jap car, especially a tt car like a supra/300/rx7/3000GT and dump about 15 000, ud put it into the ass of a GT40, w/ no vaseline lol
none of those are anything too special
a feat of engineering would b that a 2JZ-GTE platform can hold upto a good 500 hp on stock internals, the VG30DETT is good for about 480 i think
the 2JZ im not 100% sure about, but still
now thats a testament to engineering, ford is jus simple n plain displacement, if u hav a fucking 5.0 L engine ud BETTER b making that kidna power...or thas jus sad...so sad...
TECHNOLOGY WILL ALWAYS OVERCOME DISPLACEMENT
i wonder how the GT40 would do upto an SL AMG, or a Z8? or if it hits the production line...the M6..V10 i hjear...somehting like 596 bhp :drool:

[colinderksen]

Originally posted by 04blackMAX
true that, i would never pay 180k for a ford anyting, not even if it was the fastest production car ever made, most people dont buy a ferrari cause they wanny drive 200mph (well in north america anyways)..alot buy for the prestiege....which ford has NONE.....might as well make the srt-4 180k

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by 04blackMAX



your comparing a 150,000 gt40 to the focus and mustang....hahahahahaha, id say this is fords first feather in a long while

... i think you missed the point. he was saying ford is great for bang for buck. and its true. look at the mustangs and focus's. some of the best cars out there.

Ford GT Deluxe sellin for 31 grand
260hp @ 5,250RPM
302ft.lbs. @ 4,000RPM
Acura RSX Type-S sellin for 32 grand
200 hp @ 7400 rpm
142 lbs.-ft.@ 6000 rpm

Ford Focus SVT 26 grand
170hp @ 7,000RPM
145ft.lbs. @ 5,500RPM
Honda SiR 26 Grand
160hp @ 6500
132ft.lbs @ 5000

So i guess its easy to choose which one id get...

and your argument "CAUSE ITS A FORD" is ignorant. smarten up and open your mind a little.

[89coupe]

Some of you guys are truly clueless. The GT40 has an amazing history. It won lemans 4 years in a row dominating Ferrari. A little history lesson for you http://www.fav-gt40.com/Car_History.htm

You talk about what if this and what if that. The bottom line is its an engineering marvel.

Do you guys not watch Top Gear? Jeremy Clarkson who has driven every sports car on the planet said himself that the most amazing car he ever had the pleasure to drive was the GT40. An engineering marvel.

[5.9 R/T]

Originally posted by sandman

TECHNOLOGY WILL ALWAYS OVERCOME DISPLACEMENT


Here's the deal, I'll give you one IVTEC controller with no engine and I'll take the ford 5.0 and we'll see who wins the race, OK? Then we'll see if technology can really overcome displacement. VROOM VROOM!

[sandman]

plz explain how its an engineering marvel?
elaborate

[89coupe]

LOL...tell that to John Force. :rofl:



Originally posted by sandman

TECHNOLOGY WILL ALWAYS OVERCOME DISPLACEMENT

[Hakkola]

Originally posted by sandman

i wonder how the GT40 would do upto an SL AMG, or a Z8? or if it hits the production line...the M6..V10 i hjear...somehting like 596 bhp :drool:

SL65 is coming, over 600 horses, I think well over 700ft/lbs of torque, but I still wouldn't compare it with the GT40, SL is a lux cruiser, not a sportscar, SLR would be a better comparo even though it's way more expensive.

Now I don't like Ford, and I can't say I really enjoy the looks of the GT40, but it deserves some respect, because of the low center of gravity and for that kind of money they must have done something for the handling. I'm not a domestic guy at all, but I don't have my head in my ass so I'll show some respect for this car.

Would I choose a GT40 over a Stradale or Gt2, or even an SL65 which probably can't handle as well as the GT40??? Hell no. But that doesn't mean it's a shitty car.

What the other supercars have over the GT40 is refinement and I'm pretty sure the comfort level and fit and finish on the other cars is much better, the gt40 being so low I'm sure it's not very ergonomical or comfy at all etc... It's just not the car for me. It would feel good to drive on the track, but I wouldn't take it out for a cruise on public roads like I would with the other supercars mentioned.

[fast95pony]

Brad, go away and stop teasing the children.
It's wayyyyy past their bed time !!
;) :rofl:

[NickGT]

Originally posted by 04blackMAX



your comparing a 150,000 gt40 to the focus and mustang....hahahahahaha, id say this is fords first feather in a long while


Originally posted by 403Gemini


... i think you missed the point. he was saying ford is great for bang for buck. and its true. look at the mustangs and focus's. some of the best cars out there.


Well it looks like someone got the point...

I was just pointing out all the bang for your buck performance vehicles Ford produces..

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by sandman
well said
any of those cars apart from the GT40, buy any jap car, especially a tt car like a supra/300/rx7/3000GT and dump about 15 000, ud put it into the ass of a GT40, w/ no vaseline lol
none of those are anything too special
a feat of engineering would b that a 2JZ-GTE platform can hold upto a good 500 hp on stock internals, the VG30DETT is good for about 480 i think
the 2JZ im not 100% sure about, but still
now thats a testament to engineering, ford is jus simple n plain displacement, if u hav a fucking 5.0 L engine ud BETTER b making that kidna power...or thas jus sad...so sad...
TECHNOLOGY WILL ALWAYS OVERCOME DISPLACEMENT
i wonder how the GT40 would do upto an SL AMG, or a Z8? or if it hits the production line...the M6..V10 i hjear...somehting like 596 bhp :drool: Oh yeah, COMPLETELY ignore the fact that the car is a new design from the ground up, based on race chassis engineering. Its not all about power. Because the car was intended to pay homage to the original GT40, they've gone out of their way to make sure its every bit as powerful and handles quite a bit better than the original did. Dump $15k into a supra TT and it still wouldn't out-handle the new GT. Every other car you've mentioned is based off an otherwise regular car, and they have to deal with all the design comprimises that are a result of that where ford has had a free hand to put everything right where it needs to be get maximum performance, just like a true race machine.

[Illusionsir]

i see this is turning into another, import vs. domestic post......

a well, i commend Ford for producing a track inspired vehicle
with the prestige and power.

i dont see why theres even an argument here? from what i understand this post is just about admiring fords latest creation....

:dunno:

[THREE40SEVEN]

Originally posted by sandman
TECHNOLOGY WILL ALWAYS OVERCOME DISPLACEMENT

You are a moron, and obviously know NOTHING about anything:rofl:
See my sig;)

[syeve]

Originally posted by THREE40SEVEN
If it had vtec (same as a turbo) and a honda badge it'd be a different story.

when did honda come into this? we're talking about Ferarri and Porshe being compared to a ford?

If you would chose a Ford over a Ferarri all the power to ya!

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by THREE40SEVEN

You are a moron, and obviously know NOTHING about anything:rofl:
See my sig;) SUGAR WILL ALWAYS OVERCOME THE SALT!

THERE IS A REPLACEMENT FOR SALT! ITS CALLED SUGAR.

[THREE40SEVEN]

Originally posted by syeve


when did honda come into this? we're talking about Ferarri and Porshe being compared to a ford?

If you would chose a Ford over a Ferarri all the power to ya!
Its the "its a ford so it must be junk" attitude..


Originally posted by GTS Jeff
SUGAR WILL ALWAYS OVERCOME THE SALT!

THERE IS A REPLACEMENT FOR SALT! ITS CALLED SUGAR.

:rofl: :nut:

[Pete92SL]

The new GT is going to be an amazing car on the streets.

What some of you said about repair costs, it is true what you said to a point: Ford parts are generally cheaper, but the labor is more expensive where as import labor is cheaper and generally the parts are more expensive. It balances out.


Ford makes a good product. My truck has over 300K on it and has only been in the shop twice and that was for a starter and a dif rebuild.

Pete

[DUBBED]

Originally posted by 89coupe
LOL...tell that to John Force. :rofl:





oh yeah cus theres no techonolgy involved in john forces 3 second dragster :rolleyes:

id like to see him build a 9 second N/A civic


gt40 is crazy sick though....

[sandman]

how is technology not a replacement for displacement?
lets say u hav a V6 stang from 2003
and compare to a jap V6 car
350Z
which is faster?

take a look at the 2002 stang 6s, compare to a 14 year old NA 300, which is rated faster, even though one is 14 years older and 800ccs smaller?

[89coupe]

You guys are truly missing the point. This is a $150,000.00 supercar. It uses an aluminum composite body for precision fit. As good or better then the Ferrari or Porsche. Its handling capabilites are leaps and bounds beyond the Porsche and the Ferrari. They said it wasn't nearly as harsh of a ride as the Porsche. The interior fit and finish is flawless. The clutch feels like a Honda and yet handles 500FT/LBS of torque and 500HP. The response is incredibly crisp far superior to the Ferrari or the Porsche. I could go on and on. They compared the car to the Saleen S7 and the Ferrari Enzo. Two cars worth over a $1,000,000.00 in total. I would say thats amazing!

And whoever threw in that crap about a Supra TT or a 300ZX or an RX7 with $15000 in mods would hand it its ass is smoking CRACK!

Show me one of those cars with this kind of performance with only $15000.00 in mods. Give me a fucking break:rolleyes:

Little boys with no fucking clue about cars. They read a little blurb here and a little blurb there and they think they know it all.
:rolleyes:

[ZorroAMG]

I read a Blurb once...good readin', I tells ya!

[89coupe]

What I was getting at is displacement and technology together will produce the greatest results. BOTTOM LINE!


Originally posted by DUBBED



oh yeah cus theres no techonolgy involved in john forces 3 second dragster :rolleyes:

id like to see him build a 9 second N/A civic


gt40 is crazy sick though....

[DUBBED]

yeah i have to admit the gt40 shows some incredibly impressive number...

i think im a bit more stunned than anything that ford has produced something that can be compared to a ferrari and a porsche...

[Davan]

Originally posted by 403Gemini


Ford Focus SVT 26 grand
170hp @ 7,000RPM
145ft.lbs. @ 5,500RPM
Honda SiR 26 Grand
160hp @ 6500
132ft.lbs @ 5000

So i guess its easy to choose which one id get...


Not to mention, you get a TON more features and luxuries STANDARD in the SVT. Such as power heated breakaway mirrors, power heated leather seats, 6-cd changer in dash, with amp and subwoofer, traction control, 17 inch wheels with z-rated rubber, 6-speed transmission, and let's not forget the best tuned suspension in it's class.

Of course, I'm biased. :angel:

[GTS Jeff]

its funny because one of the MOST technologically advanced motorsports out there is good old country town hick boy tractor pulling. They were using anti-lag systems before we rally cars even knew turbo's existed... (i cant give exact dates as i dont follow tractor pulling). Sad, but them good ol' boys pulling a sled were quite smart...

im not sure how this adds to the conversation, but when tech. VS. Displacement comes up it always seems to get into a dom. VS. Import and im just saying the most backwoods hillbillies know their tech. too.

[Davan]

Agreed. I think it comes down to financing, for the most part. I mean, Ford knows technology just as much as anyone else. My Ford is DOHC with variable cam timing. How is that inferior to Honda?

Just because they still sell pushrod dinosaurs on ancient platforms, doesn't mean that's all they know. They can build thier cars for cheap, and sell them for cheap. It works for them. Makes them money. And that's what it really comes down to, right?

[88CRX]

Originally posted by Davan
Agreed. I think it comes down to financing, for the most part. I mean, Ford knows technology just as much as anyone else. My Ford is DOHC with variable cam timing. How is that inferior to Honda?

Just because they still sell pushrod dinosaurs on ancient platforms, doesn't mean that's all they know. They can build thier cars for cheap, and sell them for cheap. It works for them. Makes them money. And that's what it really comes down to, right?

.....RIGHT....................

[THREE40SEVEN]

Originally posted by sandman
how is technology not a replacement for displacement?
lets say u hav a V6 stang from 2003
and compare to a jap V6 car
350Z
which is faster?

take a look at the 2002 stang 6s, compare to a 14 year old NA 300, which is rated faster, even though one is 14 years older and 800ccs smaller?
Excellent points:thumbsup: Are you in the debate club?

[sputnik]

Originally posted by 04blackMAX
true that, i would never pay 180k for a ford anyting, not even if it was the fastest production car ever made, most people dont buy a ferrari cause they wanny drive 200mph (well in north america anyways)..alot buy for the prestiege....which ford has NONE.....might as well make the srt-4 180k

Pull up in a GT40 or a Ferrari and you will get the same amount of pussy with either of them.

99.999% either dont care what you drive or dont the difference

[Davan]

Originally posted by 88CRX


.....RIGHT....................

What, you honestly think a car company would lower their profit margin just to appease a handful of car enthusiasts?

[sputnik]

Originally posted by sandman
how is technology not a replacement for displacement?
lets say u hav a V6 stang from 2003
and compare to a jap V6 car
350Z
which is faster?

take a look at the 2002 stang 6s, compare to a 14 year old NA 300, which is rated faster, even though one is 14 years older and 800ccs smaller?

Clearly the 350Z is faster... but you can buy 2 V6 stangs for almost less than the 350Z. And for $45k you can make a V8 stang embarrass a stock 350Z everytime.

For the record... im not a Ford fan... or an ANYTHING fan... i hate everything equally

Captain Negativity

[syeve]

Originally posted by THREE40SEVEN

Excellent points:thumbsup: Are you in the debate club?

:rofl: :rofl:

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by sputnik


Clearly the 350Z is faster... but you can buy 2 V6 stangs for almost less than the 350Z. And for $45k you can make a V8 stang embarrass a stock 350Z everytime.

For the record... im not a Ford fan... or an ANYTHING fan... i hate everything equally

Captain Negativity

i like everything :)

[Dave]

I think that alot of you are missing the point that Ferrari and Porsche make Fast cars and Fast cars only! Ford makes all kinds of cars from mini vans to trucks. I am very proud that Ford can make a car that not only competes with them but is actually faster than them.
CONGRATS to the GT40!

[89coupe]

uuuhhh we are not just talking about fast. We are talking about an all around supercar. Incredible straight line performance, incredible top end performance, incredible handling, incredible braking, incredible agility, incredible refinement...simply put, the BEST in its class!

[88CRX]

Originally posted by Davan


What, you honestly think a car company would lower their profit margin just to appease a handful of car enthusiasts?

to a point yes.....


how much does dodge make on every neon? and how much on every srt-4?


but bah!!! back on topic......

[88CRX]

Originally posted by 89coupe
uuuhhh we are not just talking about fast. We are talking about an all around supercar. Incredible straight line performance, incredible top end performance, incredible handling, incredible braking, incredible agility, incredible refinement...simply put, the BEST in its class!

best in its class :dunno:

all "super" cars have "Incredible straight line performance, incredible top end performance, incredible handling, incredible braking, incredible agility, incredible refinement"

enzo, f40, lambo, etc, etc, etc.....

[89coupe]

Yes best in its class meaning $100,000.00 to $200,000.00 supercars.

They don't make F40's anymore, Lambo, give me a break!

Enzo is in a totally different class. That is a $596,000.00 F1 streetcar.


Originally posted by 88CRX


best in its class :dunno:

all "super" cars have "Incredible straight line performance, incredible top end performance, incredible handling, incredible braking, incredible agility, incredible refinement"

enzo, f40, lambo, etc, etc, etc.....

[88CRX]

ok you've succeeded in what you set out to do..... you win.

[89coupe]

:clap: :D



Originally posted by 88CRX
ok you've succeeded in what you set out to do..... you win.

[THREE40SEVEN]

Originally posted by 88CRX
ok you've succeeded in what you set out to do..... you win.
LOL:rofl:
I knew he wouldn't rest until someone said that:D

[88CRX]

Originally posted by THREE40SEVEN

LOL:rofl:
I knew he wouldn't rest until someone said that:D

HE'S RIGHT.... FORDS ARE SUPERIOR

[89coupe]

Don't twist my words. The GT40 is SUPERIOR!http://www.performance-shop.com/yabbse/YaBBImages/kiss.gif


Originally posted by 88CRX


HE'S RIGHT.... FORDS ARE SUPERIOR

[fast95pony]

Ding,ding,ding !!

End of round ten !!

Hey , no ear biting....

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by sandman
how is technology not a replacement for displacement? What is the limiting factor on how much power you can get out of a motor? There are only two things. You win a cookie if you can guess what they are.

Define technology, anyways. How is a turbocharger or supercharger technology? Both have been around over 70 years now. Most of the "technology" used on the japanese motors is stuff that came out of racing mills back in the 50s.

[frostyda9]

Originally posted by 4wheeldrift
What is the limiting factor on how much power you can get out of a motor?

It would seem to me the only limiting factors would be the amount of air+fuel that can be forced into a cylinder before any part of the motor destroys itself, and the volume of the cylinder itself. ?

[hooligan]

Originally posted by 4wheeldrift
What is the limiting factor on how much power you can get out of a motor? There are only two things. You win a cookie if you can guess what they are.

Define technology, anyways. How is a turbocharger or supercharger technology? Both have been around over 70 years now. Most of the "technology" used on the japanese motors is stuff that came out of racing mills back in the 50s.

the limiting factor is how much air and fuel you can get in and out, or is it weight or is it just fuel, or is, well i don't know.

ok I have to agree with you that the gt40 is awesome, but think of it this way,

Ford has made some pretty shitty cars in the past, and it took them this long to make something that truely overwelms the competition

o yeah, CHEVY SUCKS!

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by frostyda9


It would seem to me the only limiting factors would be the amount of air+fuel that can be forced into a cylinder before any part of the motor destroys itself, and the volume of the cylinder itself. ? Exactly. And a bigger cylinder can contain more air and fuel than a smaller one. Yes, you can use a turbocharger to cram more air into the cylinder of a small motor to make it seem like a bigger one, but you can do that to a bigger cylinder as well. Once you reach the limit for how much air and fuel you can cram into a cylinder, it doesn't matter what else you do you won't get more power out of a motor without adding more space for air and fuel. More air and gas = more power. Bigger cylinder = more room for air and gas.

Technology = a substitute for cubic inches up to the theoretical maximum volume of the cylinder, then displacement wins ;)

[Wildcat]

so is this new gt40 comparable to the classic? i saw the original at the track one day (some of you may have seen it, its a light blue with an orange stripe) mannnnn...... did that thing ever HOWL! :drool:

[Wildcat]

Originally posted by sandman
ok, well for starters, at then end of the day, u can drive a ford, or a porsche/ferrari, so how many ppl if given lets say 180 K USD would drive a ford?
plus car and driver isnt really the best place for speed stats coz they hav stats that are usually way off from others, they qouted the S2K at 14.4, other sources all were around 13.8 ish
so IMO there lil bias, but i sitll like em, coz they quoted my car at 13.7 :clap: lol



Originally posted by sandman
hm, exactly
no prestige in a ford
i may as well jus take my 300, dump like anotyer 50 grand into it, and for half the price, no even less, i can hav a car that ciould drop kick a GT40 and drive off w/out it not knowing wat hit it

another thing
giv the car a few years, wait till the ford kicks in, see how much repairs are on it, jus look at vipers, ever see one selling selling for more than 100 000 kms?
whereas a porsche theres been tonnes of older 944s w/ higher mileage sold



Originally posted by sandman


uh, refer to zorroamgs last post
and im guessing since american enginerring is so far behind the others (case in point... a V6 stang, new one, and a 350Z, hell, compara to a stock 300ZX NA) or a stang GT and a SC420, granted SC costs a lil more but engine to engine comparison,
all that in mind im guessin the engine is pretty high strung, after wa while it'd go t pieces, aka the ford kicks in, and, well, ill take zorros word on the labour costs, if nothing they;; b about the same, if u feel comfortable speiding 150 K on a ford then repair csts, in my opinon ur the one out to lunch



Originally posted by sandman
well said
any of those cars apart from the GT40, buy any jap car, especially a tt car like a supra/300/rx7/3000GT and dump about 15 000, ud put it into the ass of a GT40, w/ no vaseline lol
none of those are anything too special
a feat of engineering would b that a 2JZ-GTE platform can hold upto a good 500 hp on stock internals, the VG30DETT is good for about 480 i think
the 2JZ im not 100% sure about, but still
now thats a testament to engineering, ford is jus simple n plain displacement, if u hav a fucking 5.0 L engine ud BETTER b making that kidna power...or thas jus sad...so sad...
TECHNOLOGY WILL ALWAYS OVERCOME DISPLACEMENT
i wonder how the GT40 would do upto an SL AMG, or a Z8? or if it hits the production line...the M6..V10 i hjear...somehting like 596 bhp :drool:


Originally posted by sandman
how is technology not a replacement for displacement?
lets say u hav a V6 stang from 2003
and compare to a jap V6 car
350Z
which is faster?

take a look at the 2002 stang 6s, compare to a 14 year old NA 300, which is rated faster, even though one is 14 years older and 800ccs smaller?

OMFG.... im going to take that giant fucking bench your sitting on and beat you with it until you come up with an arguement that DOES NOT involve other cars! :banghead: :whipped:

[sandman]

ok come beat me then, ill wanna see this

so then technology will replace displacement to a extent, ok, gotit
now compare the GT40 to a GT2, i gureess they cahrge more for a car that fast jus coz in comparision more prestige, ill admit, i jus dont like ford...
and a TTZ or supra modded not being abkle to take that>
go to twinturbo.net, post, see wat kinda replies ull get n ull whos smoking crack

15 grand US will get u damn near everyhting on stillens site for performance for a Z...and im pretty sure that'll b enpugh to get to low 11s w/ some upped boost

[gpomp]

Originally posted by sandman
ok come beat me then, ill wanna see this

so then technology will replace displacement to a extent, ok, gotit
now compare the GT40 to a GT2, i gureess they cahrge more for a car that fast jus coz in comparision more prestige, ill admit, i jus dont like ford...
and a TTZ or supra modded not being abkle to take that>
go to twinturbo.net, post, see wat kinda replies ull get n ull whos smoking crack

15 grand US will get u damn near everyhting on stillens site for performance for a Z...and im pretty sure that'll b enpugh to get to low 11s w/ some upped boost

[frostyda9]

I have to laugh at the people that are saying the GT-40 has no prestige.....maybe it doesn't have MB/Porsche type prestige, but this car is the reincarnation of a legend. In 1966 it ended a 6 year winning streak for Ferrari at le Mans, and continued to win again consecutively until 1969.....4 years straight. I'd say it's modern revival deserves a little respect based on that accomplismnet.

[rogue]

who cares ford made a good car that beats the competition for once. And yea almost anyone would still rather have a ferrari or porche for the fact that it is respected and a status symbol. YOU ALL WIN (not including the guy who said ford has the same technological advancement as honda) How much hp does you svt have? How much does a japanese NEW integra type R have? Ford is always a few step behind (as is chevy or any other domestic) the imports from europe or japan but with their massive amount of money they will catch up soon. They are starting to build better and better cars, hopefully they can make up what they lost in the last 15 yrs which is consumer RESPECT. I dont hate i just adding my 2 cents.

cars i owened
buick regal
dodge sportsman VAN
escort GT
tempo
integra
spec V

I have driven almost every manufacturer and i have to say the spec is most reliable. Integra was the funnest:love:

[fast95pony]

Originally posted by sandman
ok come beat me then, ill wanna see this

and a TTZ or supra modded not being abkle to take that>
go to twinturbo.net, post, see wat kinda replies ull get n ull whos smoking crack

15 grand US will get u damn near everyhting on stillens site for performance for a Z...and im pretty sure that'll b enpugh to get to low 11s w/ some upped boost



Why are you comparing a production car with a warranty against a out of production modded car ??

I can think of quite a few older cars that would do 11's with 15 grand US thown at them...

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by fast95pony

I can think of quite a few older cars that would do 11's with 15 grand US thown at them... And not a one of them would be able to beat a GT through the twisties ;)

[rogue]

there was a post on here awile back about some swedish super car. Of all the cars to get THAT would be the super car for me i cant remember what it was called but it kicked ass.

[fast95pony]

That would be this little puppy....

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=6738&page_number=2

Truly a sweet car, but at $470,000 USD , and the engine
is based on a....good gracious...a Ford engine...

[C4S]

Originally posted by rogue
there was a post on here awile back about some swedish super car. Of all the cars to get THAT would be the super car for me i cant remember what it was called but it kicked ass.

KOENIGSEGG CC8S ( weird name .. )

another 660 hp car ... cost half a million US :eek:

Offical website:

http://www.koenigsegg.com/index.asp

[rogue]

yea baby thats the car!!!!!

[rogue]

actually i LOVE european fords but they are a little different to their north american brethern. If an English man came here and you told him you drove an escort he would be slightly impressed (as their rs turbo escorts are great tuners) or the cosworth escort and sierra. Even the mondeo is better there then the contour was here.(i like the svt contour however.) English fords rule.

[three.eighteen.]

when cars are this expensive and this fast, the lines between the import vs domestic thing begin to blur quite a bit...its not a run of the mill taurus ppl

[5.9 R/T]

Originally posted by hooligan

Ford has made some pretty shitty cars in the past, and it took them this long to make something that truely overwelms the competition


Every manufacturer has made shitty cars. Whats your point?

[jdmakkord]

Originally posted by gpomp


:werd:

But hey, put a rb26 in that ford and it would be gold now wouldn't it? :rolleyes:

[sandman]

yea, it would,
didnt the guy w/ the cefiro use a RB26?i think the RB26 is by far nissans best tuner platform, granted its a lot of work to put into a car, but worht it IMO

[Wildcat]

sandman your the biggest bench racer ive ever heard... not one of your comments is based on the actual car, nor do you show any knowledge of it. other cars maybe... but really.. :whocares: