We need more leaders like this.

[old&slow]

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..


Separately, Rudd angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:

'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves in Canada & USA , WE will find the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths.

If you agree please SEND THIS ON and ON, to as many people as you know

[rampagesauce]

fuckin eh. bout time people stopped being a push over.

[Unknown303]

That guy is my hero.. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: *Really slow claps though*

[7thgenvic]

Fuck...Good to hear!!! If we could give rep points on beyond you would have my vote for the great find!

[tom_9109]

He said this a few years ago and I can't agree more.

[chkolny541]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: right on!!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: canada has to be the most push over country in many things. My bet is 10 more years untill arabic is our 3rd mational language

[D'z Nutz]

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s28/killergluestick/thats_racist.gif

[2ndgenlude]

My new hero for sure. We need him over here asap.

[speedog]

Another bandwagon forming perhaps? Maybe y'all should ask yourselves who you voted for in the last federal election and why? Did the party that you voted for represent beliefs such as laid out in the OP's post and if that party did not, then why did you vote for them?

After all, it's oh so easy to pump one's fists in the air and declare/support this and that from behind a keyboard, but when the time comes to place your "X" in the box on that federal ballot, did you place it according to what you wanted or believed in? And if you couldn't, then have you done anything to effect the changes you wish to see take place?

For myself, I couldn't necessarily support most of the things in the OP's post and I am a middle aged white married male with three kids. Why? Maybe it's because my family came to Canada some 4 generations ago to escape persecution and as late as the 70's I was still being discriminated against as a young teenager just because of my ancestry.

My Canada is tolerant and will evolve into something that is different than the Canada that my great great grandfather moved to which is again different than the Canada that every past generation of my family has known.

[badatusrnames]

mh6pZQX22CQ

[ExtraSlow]

That was never spoken, or written, by Kevin Rudd or any Prime Minister of Austrailia. This is from back in 2005 and is a collection of quotes from several different people.
Snopes - Muslims out of Austrailia (http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/australia.asp)

Also, while we are playing the fun "go back to your own country" game, I'd like to say that I think Chinese and nammer folks have the same issues with integrating into "Canadian" society as do muslims. :english: Can we kick all them out too, even ones born here?

:drama: :eek: That should start the fun, knowing the beyond deomgraphic :eek: :drama:

[speedog]

Interesting, but what of the bandwagon?

[masoncgy]

Tolerance is a two-way street. Period.

[FivE.SeveN]

Haha as soon as I saw 'send this to as many people as you
Can!!!' I knew instantly it was a chain email with fake quotes

[chkolny541]

Originally posted by speedog


For myself, I couldn't necessarily support most of the things in the OP's post and I am a middle aged white married male with three kids. Why? Maybe it's because my family came to Canada some 4 generations ago to escape persecution and as late as the 70's I was still being discriminated against as a young teenager just because of my ancestry.



Boo-Hoo

I came from a balkan country just 15 years ago for the same reason, to escape persecution. (we left during the soviet collapse) and i still give the OP's post a mega fist pump, when we came we KNEW you have to do some integration into society, everyone in my family immediatly sought to learn english, and now we are all fluent. There are family's i know who came to canada 20+ years ago that STILL cant speak english well, they just associate with their same culture and dont bother to integrate WHAT-SO-EVER, and this is what bugs the hell out of me. The OP's statement doesnt say that australia wont accept immigrants, but they just said that they need to learn the customs and integrate into society, and not just form little pakistan and iraq withen their cities

[speedog]

Originally posted by chkolny541


Boo-Hoo

I came from a balkan country just 15 years ago for the same reason, to escape persecution. (we left during the soviet collapse) and i still give the OP's post a mega fist pump, when we came we KNEW you have to do some integration into society, everyone in my family immediatly sought to learn english, and now we are all fluent. There are family's i know who came to canada 20+ years ago that STILL cant speak english well, they just associate with their same culture and dont bother to integrate WHAT-SO-EVER, and this is what bugs the hell out of me. The OP's statement doesnt say that australia wont accept immigrants, but they just said that they need to learn the customs and integrate into society, and not just form little pakistan and iraq withen their cities And what of the little Italy's and little Germanys and little orthdox Jewish parts that exist in many of Canada's larger cities. Hell, we've got french speaking areas/towns right here in good old redneck Alberta. Guess we better get the city starting to shut down those little exclusive Italian coffee shops scattered up near Barbeques Galore on Edmonton trail - can't be having that shit here, eh.

Got to integrate into that Canadian society - whatever that is, eh. Boo fucking hoo to you too and what will you do when your kids decide that they can befriend those that bug the hell out of you?

[banned3x]

Edit: fail

[old&slow]

It would appear I should have googled this...I was taken in by an email...opps.
Too bad it ain't true tho!

http://koosjan.wordpress.com/2009/12/29/australian-prime-minister-does-it-again/

[BigMass]

stopped reading at... Australia. Big talk for probably one of the most fascist, corrupt and “police state” countries next to the UK. Our country has turned to shit due to corrupt and dictatorial politicians, so lets all jump on the xenophobia bandwagon and focus our attention to the “outsiders” instead of looking at how we as Australians have let ourselves down. Why don't they talk about that?

[autosm]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by speedog
[B Hell, we've got french speaking areas/towns right here in good old redneck Alberta.


Not calling you out but French is an official language of Canada.

The last time I was in Montreal we asked a transit employee for directions .... he did not speak French , only english LOL.

[FraserB]

Boils down to this; you have the choice of speaking one of two languages, learn them.

[black13]

Originally posted by BigMass
stopped reading at... Australia. Big talk for probably one of the most fascist, corrupt and “police state” countries next to the UK. Our country has turned to shit due to corrupt and dictatorial politicians, so lets all jump on the xenophobia bandwagon and focus our attention to the “outsiders” instead of looking at how we as Australians have let ourselves down. Why don't they talk about that?

Word.
Yea lets become more like Australia!!!
Australians are probably some of the most racist people out of all the big western countries. Not just against muslims either, they have this issue with chinese/filipinos and all kinds of minorities.

And I don't think they bothered to learn the native language either when they immigrated there some couple hundred years ago.

I agree with integration in society but people who say shit like that are just idiotic.

[2Valve0]

Okay this is racist as hell.

One thing I would like to see is that any fucking immagrant let into Canada must know English/French when they arrive or must be fluent within 6months. I fucking hate people who can't speak the language and they don't tolerate our culture. It's our country if you don't like how we play your SHOULD gtfo asap. Look at all the little afghani kids running around the northeast picking on the defenseless white kids when they are alone, anyone who is a teenager knows about this too. I.E. Whitehorn trainstation.

And no... before anyone says I was one of the kids I was not...just something that always bothered me growing up all these little wanabe thugs running around acting like they are Al Capone.

my rant is over :whocares:

[Seanith]

There's more heroes out there than you would think. Support them wherever they are found.

Geert Wilders Speech, House of Lords, London, Friday the 5th of March 2010

"Thank you. It is great to be back in London. And it is great that this time, I got to see more of this wonderful city than just the detention centre at Heathrow Airport.

Today I stand before you, in this extraordinary place. Indeed, this is a sacred place. This is, as Malcolm always says, the mother of all Parliaments, I am deeply humbled to have the opportunity to speak before you.

Thank you Lord Pearson and Lady Cox for your invitation and showing my film ‘Fitna’. Thank you my friends for inviting me.

I first have great news. Last Wednesday city council elections were held in the Netherlands. And for the first time my party, the Freedom Party, took part in these local elections. We participated in two cities. In Almere, one of the largest Dutch cities. And in The Hague, the third largest city; home of the government, the parliament and the queen. And, we did great! In one fell swoop my party became the largest party in Almere and the second largest party in The Hague. Great news for the Freedom Party and even better news for the people of these two beautiful cities.

And I have more good news. Two weeks ago the Dutch government collapsed. In June we will have parliamentary elections. And the future for the Freedom Party looks great. According to some polls we will become the largest party in the Netherlands. I want to be modest, but who knows, I might even be Prime Minister in a few months time!

Ladies and gentlemen, not far from here stands a statue of the greatest Prime Minister your country ever had. And I would like to quote him here today: “Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. No stronger retrograde force exists in the World. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step (…) the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” These words are from none other than Winston Churchill wrote this in his book ‘The River War’ from 1899.

Churchill was right.

Ladies and gentlemen, I don’t have a problem and my party does not have a problem with Muslims as such. There are many moderate Muslims. The majority of Muslims are law-abiding citizens and want to live a peaceful life as you and I do. I know that. That is why I always make a clear distinction between the people, the Muslims, and the ideology, between Islam and Muslims. There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam.

Islam strives for world domination. The Quran commands Muslims to exercise jihad. The Quran commands Muslims to establish shariah law. The Quran commands Muslims to impose Islam on the entire world.

As former Turkish Prime Minister Erbakan said: “The whole of Europe will become Islamic. We will conquer Rome”. End of quote.

Libyan dictator Gaddafi said: “There are tens of millions of Muslims in the European continent today and their number is on the increase. This is the clear indication that the European continent will be converted into Islam. Europe will one day soon be a Muslim continent”. End of quote. Indeed, for once in his life, Gaddafi was telling the truth. Because, remember: mass immigration and demographics is destiny!

Islam is merely not a religion, it is mainly a totalitarian ideology. Islam wants to dominate all aspects of life, from the cradle to the grave. Shariah law is a law that controls every detail of life in a Islamic society. From civic- and family law to criminal law. It determines how one should eat, dress and even use the toilet. Oppression of women is good, drinking alcohol is bad.

I believe that Islam is not compatible with our Western way of life. Islam is a threat to Western values. The equality of men and women, the equality of homosexuals and heterosexuals, the separation of church and state, freedom of speech, they are all under pressure because of islamization. Ladies and gentlemen: Islam and freedom, Islam and democracy are not compatible. It are opposite values.

No wonder that Winston Churchill called Adolf Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ “the new Quran of faith and war, turgid, verbose, shapeless, bur pregnant with its message”. As you know, Churchill made this comparison, between the Koran and Mein Kampf, in his book ‘The Second World War’, a master piece, for which, he received the Nobel Prize in Literature. Churchill’s comparison of the Quran and ‘Mein Kampf’ is absolutely spot on. The core of the Quran is the call to jihad. Jihad means a lot of things and is Arabic for battle. Kampf is German for battle. Jihad and kampf mean exactly the same.

Islam means submission, there cannot be any mistake about its goal. That’s a given. The question is whether we in Europe and you in Britain, with your glorious past, will submit or stand firm for your heritage.

We see Islam taking off in the West at an incredible pace. Europe is Islamizing rapidly. A lot of European cities have enormous Islamic concentrations. Paris, Amsterdam, Brussels and Berlin are just a few examples. In some parts of these cities, Islamic regulations are already being enforced. Women’s rights are being destroyed. Burqa’s, headscarves, polygamy, female genital mutilation, honour-killings. Women have to go to separate swimming-classes, don’t get a handshake. In many European cities there is already apartheid. Jews, in an increasing number, are leaving Europe.

As you undoubtedly all know, better then I do, also in your country the mass immigration and islamization has rapidly increased. This has put an enormous pressure on your British society. Look what is happening in for example Birmingham, Leeds, Bradford and here in London. British politicians who have forgotten about Winston Churchill have now taken the path of least resistance. They have given up. They have given in.

Last year, my party has requested the Dutch government to make a cost-benefit analysis of the mass immigration. But the government refused to give us an answer. Why? Because it is afraid of the truth. The signs are not good. A Dutch weekly magazine - Elsevier - calculated costs to exceed 200 billion Euros. Last year alone, they came with an amount of 13 billion Euros. More calculations have been made in Europe: According to the Danish national bank, every Danish immigrant from an Islamic country is costing the Danish state more than 300 thousand Euros. You see the same in Norway and France. The conclusion that can be drawn from this: Europe is getting more impoverished by the day. More impoverished thanks to mass immigration. More impoverished thanks to demographics. And the leftists are thrilled.

I don't know whether it is true, but in several British newspapers I read that Labour opened the door to mass immigration in a deliberate policy to change the social structures of the UK. Andrew Neather, a former government advisor and speech writer for Tony Blair and Jack Straw, said the aim of Labour’s immigration strategy was, and I quote, to “rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date”. If this is true, this is symptomatic of the Left.

Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake: The left is facilitating islamization. Leftists, liberals, are cheering for every new shariah bank being created, for every new shariah mortgage, for every new islamic school, for every new shariah court. Leftists consider Islam as being equal to our own culture. Shariah law or democracy? Islam or freedom? It doesn’t really matter to them. But it does matter to us. The entire leftist elite is guilty of practising cultural relativism. Universities, churches, trade unions, the media, politicians. They are all betraying our hard-won liberties.

Why I ask myself, why have the Leftists and liberals stopped to fight for them? Once the Leftists stood on the barricades for women’s rights. But where are they today? Where are they in 2010? They are looking the other way. Because they are addicted to cultural relativism and dependent on the Muslim vote. They are dependent on mass-immigration.

Thank heavens Jacqui Smith isn’t in office anymore. It was a victory for free speech that a UK judge brushed aside her decision to refuse me entry to your country last year. I hope that the judges in my home country are at least as wise and will acquit me of all charges, later this year in the Netherlands.

Unfortunately, so far they have not done so well. For they do not want to hear the truth about Islam, nor are they interested to hear the opinion of top class legal experts in the field of freedom of expression. Last month in a preliminary session the Court refused fifteen of the eighteen expert-witnesses I had requested to be summoned.

Only three expert witnesses are allowed to be heard. Fortunately, my dear friend and heroic American psychiatrist dr. Wafa Sultan is one of them. But their testimony will be heard behind closed doors. Apparently the truth about Islam must not be told in public, the truth about Islam must remain secret.

Ladies and gentlemen, I’m being prosecuted for my political beliefs. We know political prosecution to exist in countries in the Middle East, like Iran and Saudi-Arabia, but never in Europe, never in the Netherlands.

I’m being prosecuted for comparing the Quran to ‘Mein Kampf’. Ridiculous. I wonder if Britain will ever put the beliefs of Winston Churchill on trial… Ladies and gentlemen, the political trial that is held against me has to stop.

But it is not all about me, not about Geert Wilders. Free speech is under attack. Let me give you a few other examples. As you perhaps know, one of my heroes, the Italian author Oriana Fallaci had to live in fear of extradition to Switzerland because of her anti-Islam book 'The Rage and the Pride'. The Dutch cartoonist Nekschot was arrested in his home in Amsterdam by 10 police men because of his anti-Islam drawings. Here in Britain, the American author Rachel Ehrenfeld was sued by a Saudi businessman for defamation. In the Netherlands Ayaan Hirsi Ali and in Australia two Christian pastors were sued. I could go on and on. Ladies and gentlemen, all throughout the West freedom loving people are facing this ongoing ‘legal jihad’. This is Islamic ‘lawfare’. And, ladies and gentlemen, not long ago the Danish cartoonist Westergaard was almost assassinated for his cartoons.

Ladies and gentlemen, we should defend the right to freedom of speech. With all our strength. With all our might. Free speech is the most important of our many liberties. Free speech is the cornerstone of our modern societies. Freedom of speech is the breath of our democracy, without freedom of speech our way of life our freedom will be gone.

I believe it is our obligation to preserve the inheritance of the brave young soldiers that stormed the beaches of Normandy. That liberated Europe from tyranny. These heroes cannot have died for nothing. It is our obligation to defend freedom of speech. As George Orwell said: “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear”.

Ladies and gentlemen, I believe in another policy, it is time for change. We must make haste. We can’t wait any longer. Time is running out. If I may quote one of my favourite American presidents: Ronald Reagan once said: “We need to act today, to preserve tomorrow”. That is why I propose the following measures, I only mention a few, in order to preserve our freedom:

First, we will have to defend freedom of speech. It is the most important of our liberties. In Europe and certainly in the Netherlands, we need something like the American First Amendment.

Second, we will have to end and get rid of cultural relativism. To the cultural relativists, the shariah socialists, I proudly say: Our Western culture is far superior to the Islamic culture. Don't be affraid to say it. You are not a racist when you say that our own culture is better.

Third, we will have to stop mass immigration from Islamic countries. Because more Islam means less freedom.

Fourth, we will have to expel criminal immigrants and, following denaturalisation, we will have to expel criminals with a dual nationality. And there are many of them in my country.

Fifth, we will have to forbid the construction of new mosques. There is enough Islam in Europe. Especially since Christians in Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and Indonesia are mistreated, there should be a mosque building-stop in the West.

And last but not least, we will have to get rid of all those so-called leaders. I said it before: Fewer Chamberlains, more Churchills. Let's elect real leaders.

Ladies and gentlemen. To the previous generation, that of my parents, the word ‘London’ is synonymous with hope and freedom. When my country was occupied by the national-socialists the BBC offered a daily glimpse of hope in my country, in the darkness of Nazi tyranny. Millions of my fellow country men listened to it, underground. The words ‘This is London’ were a symbol for a better world coming soon.

What will be broadcasted forty years from now? Will it still be “This is London”? Or will it be “This is Londonistan”? Will it bring us hope? Or will it signal the values of Mecca and Medina? Will Britain offer submission or perseverance? Freedom or slavery? The choice is yours. And in the Netherlands the choice is ours.

Ladies and gentlemen, we will never apologize for being free. We will and should never give in. And, indeed, as one of your former leaders said: We will never surrender.

Freedom must prevail, and freedom will prevail.

Thank you very much. "

[Vagabond142]

To the politician quoted in the OP:

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk13/Vagabond142/slowclap.gif

[revelations]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
That was never spoken, or written, by Kevin Rudd or any Prime Minister of Austrailia. This is from back in 2005 and is a collection of quotes from several different people.


Could someone please tell this to the rest of the thread responders :dunno:

[CUG]

Originally posted by 2Valve0
Okay this is racist as hell.

No, the middle east is racist as hell, Australia is merely maintaining a national identity. Fucking props for that. You, are as an idiot as hell.


Originally posted by BigMass
stopped reading at... Australia. Big talk for probably one of the most fascist, corrupt and “police state” countries next to the UK. Our country has turned to shit due to corrupt and dictatorial politicians, so lets all jump on the xenophobia bandwagon and focus our attention to the “outsiders” instead of looking at how we as Australians have let ourselves down. Why don't they talk about that? Do you breathe through your mouth all of the time? I'd be surprised if you're even able to do that. Once the world rids itself of blinded liberal bandwagoners, who more often than not are closet racists themselves, then there can be some genuine discussion on the issue.

Allowing any sort of a take-over to occur should be penalized by death. Not allowing it isn't racist, fascist or bigoted. No offense to you fine muslims on here, actually I couldn't care less, I would never want to live in a muslim state and I much prefer our more humane and non-barbaric western values over the painfully weird shit sharia law brings.

Did some guy with a small dick make that stuff up? Sounds like it's making up for a lot of insecurity. Fucking weirdo.

[ZenOps]

You get the exact same speech everywhere in the world from all sorts of leaders.

English is a surprisingly small subsect of greatly simplified latin. German, French, Spanish are all pretty much equally a subsect of latin. German is more precise latin (which makes is great for engineering) English is more simplified (which makes it easier to communicate in things like commerce and trade) French is more expressive (which makes it great for picking up the ladies). Spanish - well... Its got its strengths too (but I won't mention them)

Latvian has its strengths too. Russian is actually the most prevalent of the latin derivatives. Ignatieff is the son of a famous Russian Canadian diplomat (if diplomats are ever famous)

Symbolic languages like used in China and India - are actually much larger in scope and some say ridiculously and unecessarily complex. Most of the world - actually uses a language that I personally find to be overly complex...

Its like learning Assembly or C++ for the computer. English - would be C++, Chinese would be Assembly. Chinese and Japanese is actually quite specific and precise, even some say moreso than German, which does make it a great engineering (building) language.

For colonies like Austrailia and Canada that are very young countries that still rely on trade and commerce (and cannot create the Xboxes that the country wants by themselves) as resource states - English is and probably was the right choice.

Moving forward though - with stagnant population growth, I can see why French might be preferred over English (Both would be great)

PS: Requiring university students to learn Calculus math - is also unecessarily complex in my opinion. Fucking Calculus, lol.

[syeve]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2009

[Trini]

Originally posted by black13


And I don't think they bothered to learn the native language either when they immigrated there some couple hundred years ago.


*like*

But I agree, if you plan to live in the damn country learn the fcuking language and try to assimilate into the culture/country.

[Feruk]

Originally posted by speedog
And what of the little Italy's and little Germanys and little orthdox Jewish parts that exist in many of Canada's larger cities. Hell, we've got french speaking areas/towns right here in good old redneck Alberta. Guess we better get the city starting to shut down those little exclusive Italian coffee shops scattered up near Barbeques Galore on Edmonton trail - can't be having that shit here, eh.

Got to integrate into that Canadian society - whatever that is, eh. Boo fucking hoo to you too and what will you do when your kids decide that they can befriend those that bug the hell out of you?

As an immigrant who came here back in 1995, I think you're entirely missing the point. Immigrants should bring the best of their cultures to ADD to Canada's culture. However, at the same time, they should integrate into the Canadian culture. There's nothing wrong with having little Italys and China Town, but I'd expect the regulars to be welcoming to Canadians and associate with more then people of the same background. I'm Polish and only two of my good friends is Polish; the rest are mostly Canadian born.

I went to high school with a Chinese gentleman who was born in Canada, spent his whole life here, and was in ESL till grade 12. Fucking pathetic! Integrate or GTFO.


Originally posted by CUG
No, the middle east is racist as hell, Australia is merely maintaining a national identity. Fucking props for that. You, are as an idiot as hell.


I spent a month in Australia and within just a few days you could see the racism. White people simply DO NOT associate with other races in Australia. In small/medium sized towns you ONLY see whites and the rare black guy. In big cities, there is a bigger minority but absolutely NO interracial couples. We found it strange on day 1 that we didn't see any, so we started counting interracial couples. In four weeks, we saw ONE, and they were American tourists it turned out.

In my experience, Europe can be pretty racist, but is NOTHING compared to the rampant racism is Australia.

[mx73someday]

Originally posted by CUG
then there can be some genuine discussion on the issue.

It's hard to have genuine discussion when you keep dropping ad hominems.

Big Mass is right. It's easier to blame foreigners than to identify the state as a problem. The only organization that imposes political and moral beliefs on you is the state. Now you worry when a primitive or religious culture influences (corrupts) the state too much in a way you don't agree with. The problem isn't the influencing group, it's the fact that the state can impose political and moral beliefs on you. The "best" role of the state is to keep you free from the imposition of political beliefs by others including itself.

This is the same thing as blaming capitalism or the free market for corrupting the state. The problem is that the state is corruptible, that it can impose political will and even sell that as a service to whichever group will pay for it.

I fully support anyone who wants to move to the region called Canada and do as they please, speak whatever language and practice whatever beliefs they wish. So long as they don't impose their political or moral beliefs on me or cause harm to me or my property.

[ekguy]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


and :english: or GTFO hahaha

[ekguy]

It's nice to see someone tell all these idiots that try to live by their own laws and everything to just put up or shut up. Seriously it's happening in so many countries now, here, US, Europe...Why can't they just accept that they didn't move to a muslim country and just shut the fuck up and stop complaining about the laws and customs of the country they moved to.

[ExtraSlow]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
That was never spoken, or written, by Kevin Rudd or any Prime Minister of Austrailia. This is from back in 2005 and is a collection of quotes from several different people.
Snopes - Muslims out of Austrailia (http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/australia.asp)


Originally posted by revelations

Could someone please tell this to the rest of the thread responders :dunno:
Fuck it, Guess nobody is interested in facts on beyond. I should have known better.

Here's a hot chick.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/abigail-clancy-sports-illustrade-nsfw/abbey-clancy-nude-bodypaint-si-01.jpg

[Tomaz]

Originally posted by mx73someday

I fully support anyone who wants to move to the region called Canada and do as they please, speak whatever language and practice whatever beliefs they wish. So long as they don't impose their political or moral beliefs on me or cause harm to me or my property.

Let me know when you learn 17 different languages to order a cheeseburger. You cant be fucking serious.

How can a person integrate into society if they don't open up to the way our country works? Let me throw some stuff on the plate for you to think over. Might even give you a laugh about the everyday shit I see:

"I cant do that, it's against my religion" -Take off the hat, put on our police uniform. Fuck.
"I can eat stray animals in my old country, why cant i do it here?" And yet he wont eat beef...
"Why cant I stone my woman? She was seen by a doctor without my presence!" - Oy.
"I used to have 6 wives. Now i can only have 1." - And this man is complaining? I can barley hold down one woman!

Just to make you feel better, I will also poke fun at the BS that has already arrived and integrated itself into society:

"My imaginary friend Jesus is divine" - Here we go...
"10% of your earnings must go to the church for the rest of your life" - Sounds like life insurance that fucks you and your family anyway.
"In my small town there is no electricity, automobiles, or technology. Also my 20 children mate with each other" - Fucking weird man. Great potatoes, but that's just fucked.
"Bonjour, blah blah separatist BS" - Ok, fuck. We share the same country. Why don't we work together to make sure that Canada doesn't go further down the shitter?


There is so much garbage and political BS in the world, how does anyone expect one country, or even on continent be able to hold together if there is no common ground to which everyone can relate? Even if the one thing is only language. It's better than having a chaotic country where nobody know their head from their assholes.

I hope someone enjoyed my rant. I smiled writing some of it!

[syeve]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow


Fuck it, Guess nobody is interested in facts on beyond. I should have known better.



Facts? Lot's of facts in this thread. See my last post. Integrate or gtfo is the general consensus from where I am sitting.

[mx73someday]

Originally posted by Tomaz


Let me know when you learn 17 different languages to order a cheeseburger. You cant be fucking serious.

I can't see how this statement relates to reality. Are you generalizing that only non-english speakers work at burger joints?

If you dislike a burger joint because you have difficulty ordering your burger, then stop going there. If they don't meet your needs then they'll likely go out of business. Do you claim to have the right to order cheeseburgers at someone else's restaurant in your language only?



How can a person integrate into society if they don't open up to the way our country works?

First off it's not your country, it's the country. The part that you own is likely very small and you can't claim that the entire country is yours. Since when was integration the greatest virtue of society? I thought it was freedom and liberty. Integration is your political expectation, it's hardly virtuous if you advocate it through force and violence. Integration should be sought only through positive incentives, without harming others.

The Prairies were colonized by cultures having dozens of different languages and society prospered. It's when you mix an ever growing corruptible state with varying cultural beliefs that problems arise.

[ekguy]

Yeah but it's the fact that muslims complain about references to Jesus and a bunch of other stuff. And when a government has the balls to ask them to forgo something they get all pissed off and then make even more demands...Why should we bend to the demands they make when we don't ask anything of them other than to respect our laws...Pretty lame if you ask me.

General consensus seems to be for them to put up with our ways and to practice their ways without forcing us to change our customs or of whatever country.

I don't believe in God but you don't see me getting upset over people believing in him or in any other god.

I just think it's annoying when people ask the people in a certain place to change their well established ways to suit them, and then won't make any concessions to the rest of the world. If they want some place where they can live safely and make money and raise a family, I'm sure there's plenty of room in many countries in the middle east they could live rather than here and then try to change our laws or ways or try to live by the laws of their country of origin...Doesn't work that way...

[ekguy]

There was also an article in National Geographic at some point on how when Persia was changed to a mostly Muslim country way back when that a very vibrant and artistic people were basically subdued and taken over thus closing off what used to be the artistic hub of the ancient world...

[4lti]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow

Also, while we are playing the fun "go back to your own country" game, I'd like to say that I think Chinese and nammer folks have the same issues with integrating into "Canadian" society as do muslims. :english: Can we kick all them out too, even ones born here?

:drama: :eek: That should start the fun, knowing the beyond deomgraphic :eek: :drama:

He wasnt saying every non white person go back to your countries.
He was saying if you cant accept the countries culture and beliefs then GTFO.

You wont need to kick out the chinese people who accept the Canadian culture as it is.
But the rest... If they hate it then hell they can leave.

[ekguy]

Originally posted by 4lti


He wasnt saying every non white person go back to your countries.
He was saying if you cant accept the countries culture and beliefs then GTFO.

You wont need to kick out the chinese people who accept the Canadian culture as it is.
But the rest... If they hate it then hell they can leave.

exactly!! It's not like it would be the end of the world for people to accept Canadian or Australian culture...Not like there's anything really wrong with that.

[2Valve0]

Originally posted by CUG
No, the middle east is racist as hell, Australia is merely maintaining a national identity. Fucking props for that. You, are as an idiot as hell.

Did you read the rest of what I wrote? You are a tool. It is obviosuly racist, if you deny that you are a fucking retard. I AGREE with what he is saying even though it is racist. I hate immagrants who think we should cater to them. It pisses me off completely.

[Trini]

With regards to language
In order to become a citizen you got to be able to speak either english or french well enough to get by it would seem
Only applies to 18-55 years of age though

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/become-eligibility.asp#language


Language abilities Canada has two official languages—English and French. You need to have adequate knowledge of one of these two languages. You must know enough English or French to understand other people and for them to understand you.

[sexualbanana]

Originally posted by Feruk


As an immigrant who came here back in 1995, I think you're entirely missing the point. Immigrants should bring the best of their cultures to ADD to Canada's culture. However, at the same time, they should integrate into the Canadian culture. There's nothing wrong with having little Italys and China Town, but I'd expect the regulars to be welcoming to Canadians and associate with more then people of the same background. I'm Polish and only two of my good friends is Polish; the rest are mostly Canadian born.

I went to high school with a Chinese gentleman who was born in Canada, spent his whole life here, and was in ESL till grade 12. Fucking pathetic! Integrate or GTFO.


This, I agree with.

When it comes down to it, this whole debate is a double-edged sword. Become too forgiving, and a country's culture becomes a mix of random political correctness because no one wants to offend the other. Become too rigid, and people start complaining about it as a form of speech and expression suppression.

There were complaints going back a few years now from people living in Islamic countries that female foreigners (contractors, military, tourists, etc) were bearing too much skin in public. This is an obvious problem in Islamic culture, and this created quite a stir. I don't know what became of it, but it goes to show that when you are in a foreign land with different cultural values and expectations, the onus is on you conform to those rules, rather than the other way around. Not that I know anything about the way their governments work, but I'd expect that if any of those women had complained about not being allowed to show any skin (regardless of miniscule), there's probably a good chance they told her to fuck off.

[bspot]

Yeah, lets discourage imigration, the whole foundation of our country/economy.

When people come here it will take time to become "Canadian". How many friends do you have who's parents moved here and are very traditional, but their children are totally "Canadian"?

I like living somewhere with a diverse mix of people and hearing their stories of how they ended up here.

... and I'm just a 4th generation white boy Canadian...

[Tomaz]

Originally posted by mx73someday


I can't see how this statement relates to reality. Are you generalizing that only non-english speakers work at burger joints?

If you dislike a burger joint because you have difficulty ordering your burger, then stop going there. If they don't meet your needs then they'll likely go out of business. Do you claim to have the right to order cheeseburgers at someone else's restaurant in your language only?


[/B]


You do not see how it applies? It is a generalized example showing that if I am in a country that speaks English, then i expect the goods and services to be supplied in English. I should not be expected to learn every language in the world just to communicate with someone that moved to an English speaking country and didn't take the time to learn the fucking language.

If I move to china, I will be expected to learn Chinese. Japan, Japanese. Canada, English or French.

Seeing my generalization seemed to have confused you, let me explain something very blatantly obvious:

Yes, I live in Canada, where the English language is spoken. And yes, I want to order my cheeseburger in the English fucking language. To answer your other question, yes, I do have the right to order in my language only because it's an English fucking country and I should order in the official fucking language.

In short, accept and integrate into the culture that you choose to live in. Or GTFO.


To quote the famous Stewie Griffin:

"How many ways do I need to say it? I want pancakes. mee soo whaa pancakes! CLICK CLICK BLOODY CLICK PANCAKES!"

[sexualbanana]

Originally posted by Tomaz


To quote the famous Stewie Griffin:

"How many ways do I need to say it? I want pancakes. mee soo whaa pancakes! CLICK CLICK BLOODY CLICK PANCAKES!"

To be fair, the misinterpretation is fair given that he was the crack-addicted bastard of a single mother

[Tomaz]

Originally posted by sexualbanana


To be fair, the misinterpretation is fair given that he was the crack-addicted bastard of a single mother

True. It really reminded me how i had to order a Big Mac the other day.

Me - "Hi, can i have a Big Mac please"
Her - "Sorry, McChicken"
Me - "No, a Big Mac please"
Her - "McChicken with fries? What to drink
Me - "No, thank you, a Big Mac, no fries, no drink. Just the burger"
Her - "ok, cheeseburger, with large fries and a coke"
:facepalm:
Me - "Gimmie a fucking Big Mac! Meal 1! No Fries! No Drink! Just a fucking Big Mac"

[Seanith]

Originally posted by ekguy
There was also an article in National Geographic at some point on how when Persia was changed to a mostly Muslim country way back when that a very vibrant and artistic people were basically subdued and taken over thus closing off what used to be the artistic hub of the ancient world...

Iran is a great example of a civilization that has been destroyed by Islamic rule. It used to be an intellectual and artistic hub. The few that didn't move away are persecuted to no ends and all innovation is subdued. Of the 4 persians I know in Calgary, all 4 have their masters degrees in either engineering or GIS, and are non muslim.

The Persian empire was among one of the greatest empires ever. The religion of the arabs has no place there.

[ryanallan]

I like this ^

And I like the collection of quotes originally posted.

Freedom of speech, I wish that politicians start trying to make a difference and stop trying make impatient people happy.

[CUG]

Originally posted by mx73someday


It's hard to have genuine discussion when you keep dropping ad hominems.


Well, then I have good news for you: I don't "drop ad-homs" on people who present valid and thought out opinions, read what is being written, and formulate a rebuttal based on all of the points at hand.

My position wasn't anything near "kill them and throw them in the ocean" it was merely "maintain cultural neutrality that leans towards western values, and not barbaric primitive values, like Sharia law.

You can't [i]not[/] agree with that, unless you are the villainous islamo-fascist type we speak of.

Disagreement with the above statement effectively supports the dehumanization and humiliation of women, and, allows for religious rule of law, not only in the household, but every other facet of life.

It suggests that we, yes, you, are a threat to their beliefs and should be dealt with accordingly.

This is about getting with the times, not who is proper or correct in their interpretation of God, though I make satirical jokes about god being white and from my neighborhood. (me)

I reassert that there is nothing wrong with any of those quotes. Expansionism must be stopped, whether it's the jebus camp, or the mukmud camp.

[JMaj7]

I'm a muslim and I think Sharia Law is not practical. It needs to be edited to fit modern times. I think that issues like the choice of a woman to wear a hijab and employment requirements should be handled on a per situation basis. I thought that it was illegal in some way, for a group to impose a traditional law when you are living in a country that already has laws of its own. How do they enforce it? I think certain religious practices should be accommodated but not at the expense of national identity.

[syeve]

Originally posted by CUG


Well, then I have good news for you: I don't "drop ad-homs" on people who present valid and thought out opinions, read what is being written, and formulate a rebuttal based on all of the points at hand.

My position wasn't anything near "kill them and throw them in the ocean" it was merely "maintain cultural neutrality that leans towards western values, and not barbaric primitive values, like Sharia law.

You can't [i]not[/] agree with that, unless you are the villainous islamo-fascist type we speak of.

Disagreement with the above statement effectively supports the dehumanization and humiliation of women, and, allows for religious rule of law, not only in the household, but every other facet of life.

It suggests that we, yes, you, are a threat to their beliefs and should be dealt with accordingly.

This is about getting with the times, not who is proper or correct in their interpretation of God, though I make satirical jokes about god being white and from my neighborhood. (me)

I reassert that there is nothing wrong with any of those quotes. Expansionism must be stopped, whether it's the jebus camp, or the mukmud camp.

/thread

[BigMass]

Originally posted by CUG
No, the middle east is racist as hell, Australia is merely maintaining a national identity. Fucking props for that. You, are as an idiot as hell.

Do you breathe through your mouth all of the time? I'd be surprised if you're even able to do that. Once the world rids itself of blinded liberal bandwagoners, who more often than not are closet racists themselves, then there can be some genuine discussion on the issue.

Allowing any sort of a take-over to occur should be penalized by death. Not allowing it isn't racist, fascist or bigoted. No offense to you fine muslims on here, actually I couldn't care less, I would never want to live in a muslim state and I much prefer our more humane and non-barbaric western values over the painfully weird shit sharia law brings.

Did some guy with a small dick make that stuff up? Sounds like it's making up for a lot of insecurity. Fucking weirdo.

You totally missed my point of government hypocrisy in blaming or raising alarm bells at the “threat” of Muslim influence and impact on Australian society.

blacklisted / banned websites on the internet
blacklisted / banned books
banned and / or restricted firearm ownership
control of mass media
corporate amalgamation of political candidates
taking away people's homes for resale to developers
illegal search and seizures
illegal surveillance
theft of taxpayer dollars
censorship of artists and academics
etc…

I’m still waiting on those foreigners to start taking away the rights and freedoms from the Australian people. Oh wait, that will never happen. The government will always be the primary source of control and oppression. Hence the hypocrisy and total lack of focus in what is a much bigger problem than immigrants.

[CUG]

Originally posted by BigMass


You totally missed my point of government hypocrisy in blaming or raising alarm bells at the “threat” of Muslim influence and impact on Australian society.

blacklisted / banned websites on the internet
blacklisted / banned books
banned and / or restricted firearm ownership
control of mass media
corporate amalgamation of political candidates
taking away people's homes for resale to developers
illegal search and seizures
illegal surveillance
theft of taxpayer dollars
censorship of artists and academics
etc…

I’m still waiting on those foreigners to start taking away the rights and freedoms from the Australian people. Oh wait, that will never happen. The government will always be the primary source of control and oppression. Hence the hypocrisy and total lack of focus in what is a much bigger problem than immigrants. Given the opportunity, it will happen. Not while we're alive, and not while our children are alive.


The burden of proof and a legitimate non-Tomacized source is on you. Otherwise you're being a tin-hat, worthy of no one's attention.

The days of people like you dropping verbiage and getting an audience are over. Fortunately, people source information for themselves, otherwise they're completely fucking stupid.

You're one of those people who sent out a warning that

"RESEARCH IN MOTION IS GOING TO DELETE YOUR CONTACTS IF YOU DON'T FORWARD THIS MSG, OMG".

FUCK OFF.

[mx73someday]

^^ The burden of proof for what? To prove that government is oppressive or that foreign cultures are threatening?

[Toma]

I dunno.... I've lived here for 30 years or so, and have never run into someone ordering a cheeseburger where I could not place my order.

Sure, some had heavy accents, but it was doable.

I am more perturbed by stuff like HP tech support farmed out to India, and having problems understanding them over the phone. Boycot HP?

I dont get it.... I really have never run into anyone I have NEEDED to talk to whom I could not communicate with in Canada.

So, I must conclude that you guys bitching and moaning are just intolerant and ignorant.

As for religion etc... I'm pretty well athiest, so I don't give two fucks which fairy tale invisible man in the sky you believe in. You are all silly :poosie:

[Toma]

And yes... to become a Canadian citizen, you must speak english.

Th only people I have observed that don't bother learning english are either old Chinese people, or the Nigerian refugees taking over forest lawn living off 'free money' at our expense.... they have no incentive to learn the language or pursue meaningful work.

[syeve]

Originally posted by Toma


As for religion etc... I'm pretty well athiest, so I don't give two fucks which fairy tale invisible man in the sky you believe in. You are all silly :poosie:

Many people smarter than me have said that the inevitable path of religion on our earth will be the outright domination of one main (branches will exist) belief system. That christian and islam, given enough time, will destroy each other.

I consider myself a militant belligerent atheist, but I have come to the conclusion that there will be religion in some form well beyond my years. So it begs the question, if push comes to shove, who would you prefer; who is the lesser of two evils? Just curious.

[CUG]

Originally posted by syeve


Many people smarter than me have said that the inevitable path of religion on our earth will be the outright domination of one main (branches will exist) belief system. That christian and islam, given enough time, will destroy each other.

I consider myself a militant belligerent atheist, but I have come to the conclusion that there will be religion in some form well beyond my years. So it begs the question, if push comes to shove, who would you prefer; who is the lesser of two evils? Just curious.

I've thoroughly enjoyed being tagged as a hard line right wing conservative, or a whiny left wing liberal, depending on the company I'm in.

I've got a mixed bag of political polarization.

-Guns, we should all have them, except criminals.
-Gays, get married
-Leave "God" in our national anthem
-Fund science including stem cell research
-Abortion only under exigent circumstances, the whore who can't tell a dude to bag up his penis shouldn't be afforded free BC.
-Immigration: MUCH stricter policies. ZERO criminal activity, including refugees, and the burden of detailing their past and collecting official data about themselves is on them. Stop "disallowing" white immigrants from established european countries from coming here. I've seen Aussies, the English, and numberous Euro/UK citizens denied citizenship and visas based purely on their country.
Active diversification like that is fucking brutal. But diversity is awesome.

I fully expect someone like turbotrip to cry about it, no big deal.

I could go on.

[Orion12]

Originally posted by Toma
Th only people I have observed that don't bother learning english are either old Chinese people, or the Nigerian refugees taking over forest lawn living off 'free money' at our expense.... they have no incentive to learn the language or pursue meaningful work.

Ha-ha! So true!

[HiTempguy1]

I think Sharia Law is not practical

So, you agree with the concept, but since it is hard to enforce it needs to change? Jeebus H...

[Shogged]

this thread is full to the brim with rednecks. I just pictured a bunch of guys in camo sitting in a circle surrounded by atvs with confederate flags hanging off the back drinking bud and the conversations here fit perfectly with my perceived dialogue.

cool.

[turbotrip]

Originally posted by BigMass
stopped reading at... Australia. Big talk for probably one of the most fascist, corrupt and “police state” countries next to the UK. Our country has turned to shit due to corrupt and dictatorial politicians, so lets all jump on the xenophobia bandwagon and focus our attention to the “outsiders” instead of looking at how we as Australians have let ourselves down. Why don't they talk about that?

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8785/slowclap.gif

[2Valve0]

Originally posted by CUG

-Immigration: MUCH stricter policies. ZERO criminal activity, including refugees, and the burden of detailing their past and collecting official data about themselves is on them. Stop "disallowing" white immigrants from established european countries from coming here. I've seen Aussies, the English, and numberous Euro/UK citizens denied citizenship and visas based purely on their country.
Active diversification like that is fucking brutal. But diversity is awesome.



Although I cannot agree with everything you said, this is 100% true. How many immigrants come here and commit crimes? Answer: too many and why do we let them stay?

[CUG]

Originally posted by 2Valve0



Although I cannot agree with everything you said, this is 100% true. How many immigrants come here and commit crimes? Answer: too many and why do we let them stay? To add to that, people usually say that Canadians commit crimes too, why are we being discriminatory? Well, I'm not sure why we'd want to add more garbage to the pile. I'd rather deal with our homegrown trash without the addition of foreign grown trash. It's all the same in the end, though.

[ZenOps]

Hey, there is a good chance that people are just plain screwing with you too...

There are *some* immigrants who just plain screw with people to see how tolerant they are and what they can get away with (human nature - is testing the limits of what you can get away with)

Pretending to not understand or screw things up a little bit, is life. Cubicle workers do it all the time to pass the work to someone else. The ultimate Nuclear Technician Homer Simpson "D'oh".

The requirements for entering Canada - are quite strict in everything except refugee cases.

I'd like to think I screw with Rob Anders... No si hablo anglais senor! Boiled Chicken balls? No tickee!

It will be interesting in the near future though. With the possiblity of both a heavy russian background Ignatieff, Palin, and a seemingly absent King Charles III...

[Graham_A_M]

Christ I'd do anything to have a leader for Canada with the same policy. So fucking sick of these laws being bent so woman can wear their veils in public and whatnot.:nut:

Not too sure why everybody seems to think Australia is a corrupt place to live, they're less corrupt then Canada.
http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table

[Tomaz]

Originally posted by Shogged
this thread is full to the brim with rednecks. I just pictured a bunch of guys in camo sitting in a circle surrounded by atvs with confederate flags hanging off the back drinking bud and the conversations here fit perfectly with my perceived dialogue.

cool.

Funny you say that. I was picturing a bunch of short-haired dudes, wearing salmon-coloured tight fitting polos, gathered around drinking appletinis and playing "who's in my mouth?".