Calgary Flames MEGA THREAD 2010-2011 Edition

[Kirbs17]

Well guys. I realize the season is barely over, but for us Flames Fans we'll have to cheer for another team during the current playoff run. After numerous years of playoff hockey in Calgary, I'll admit it feels a little odd watching someone else in the big dance, right from the onset.

If some of the pundits are right, we may be about to experience some rebuilding years in Calgary. We had our issues scoring, there were troubles buying into Brent Sutter's coaching style, and we're a bit aging. That being said, what do you think will happen this coming off-season? Who will stay? Who will go? I for one think big changes are incoming in Calgary, with a few big names being traded before/on RFA signing day. I have a feeling the owners are fed up with Daryl Sutter's knee-jerk player transactions, and will show him the door. I like Brent Sutter's style of hockey, and would like to see him around for one more year before making a decision. Conroy will most likely be out the door, and I'm still undecided as to Iginla staying. Kotalik, Mayers, and Higgins will most likely be used as trade bait.

Now that I'm done school in BC, I'll have a chance to see more games and I hope to see all the regulars back in this thread like prior years. And thanks Mac_82 for allowing me the honours :)

http://www.nationalsportsbeat.com/images/logos/nhl/Calgary_Flames.jpg

[mac_82]

Woohoo :goflames:

[mac_82]

Well I just got home from the Heat/Marlies games. Couple of notes:

-Irving played solid. Looked very confident, and almost snagged a shutout.

-Wahl looked dangerous at times. The kid needs some more speed and strength, but should challenge for a spot on the Flames in 1-2 years. Solid second round draft pick last year.

-Pelech was our best dman by far. Although Kronwall, Negrin, Seabrook were all hurt.

-Our future D prospects are HUGE. They looked pretty intimidating out on the ice.
Breen 6.7 - 224
Kronwall 6.5 - 225
Baldwin 6.5 - 205
Pelech 6.3 - 220
Negrin 6.3 - 200
Palin 6.2 - 203

It would be nice to see 1 or 2 of these guys crack the line up and bump Pardy up to #6 in depth.

[Kirbs17]

Although they were intimidating, did they have some speed about them? Or where they like mammoth pylons? Do you think Irving will replace Toskala if we dont bring him back?

Here's a list of our Flames contract for next year
Ian White Defence RFA
Jay Bouwmeester Defence 2013-14
Mark Giordano Defence 2010-11
Cory Sarich Defence 2011-12
Adam Pardy Defence 2010-11
Brian McGrattan Forward UFA
Niklas Hagman Forward 2011-12
Jarome Iginla Forward 2012-13
Nigel Dawes Forward 2010-11
Rene Bourque Forward 2015-16
Matt Stajan Forward 2013-14
Jamal Mayers Forward UFA
Curtis Glencross Forward 2010-11
Christopher Higgins Forward UFA
Daymond Langkow Forward 2011-12
Eric Nystrom Forward UFA
Craig Conroy Forward UFA
David Moss Forward 2010-11
Ales Kotalik Forward 2011-12
Steve Staios Defence 2010-11
Robyn Regehr Defence 2012-13
Miikka Kiprusoff Goaltender 2013-14
Vesa Toskala Goaltender UFA
Mikael Backlund Forward 2011-12

[mac_82]

King and Dutter are addressing the media today at 1pm.

Should be interesting.

[SilverGS]

My guess is Dutter is staying.

[Ajay]

I would like to see Dutter go. Like you said he's had too many knee jerk trades and it's not good for chemistry.

I think Butter will probably stay for at least another year. His system isn't bad but I don't think it's necessarily the best for the Western Conference. In the East when he coached the Devil's he led them to their most amount of wins playing a defense first system but that's the East. In the West it's a whole different ball game.

Players that I think will be gone/used for trade bait;

Sarich - Trade
Langkow - Trade
Hagman - Trade

Conroy, McGratton, and Mayers will be left to walk. I would really like to see them re-sign Nystrom though. He had a great year as a fourth line grinder.

If Dutter is let go whoever is the incoming GM is going to have a tough time finagling some trades. With all the no movement clauses Dutter gave out it might be tough to get rid of some players.

Regardless.......:goflames: :goflames: in 2010/2011

[Ajay]

Originally posted by mac_82
King and Dutter are addressing the media today at 1pm.

Should be interesting.

Does anyone know if this will be broadcast online?

[Kirbs17]

Originally posted by mac_82
King and Dutter are addressing the media today at 1pm.

Should be interesting.

Im stuck at work; if you get a chance to watch it, can you cole's notes anything important for us?

Thanks Mac

[mac_82]

Originally posted by Ajay


Does anyone know if this will be broadcast online?

The fan960 will prob play it live I assume. There might be a link on the Flames site as well, but as of right now it's not listed.


Originally posted by Kirbs17


Im stuck at work; if you get a chance to watch it, can you cole's notes anything important for us?

Thanks Mac

I am stuck in a meeting when this starts. I'll do my best.

[mac_82]

And to add more fuel to the fire, most people saw this the other day posted in last year's thread.


“Darryl and Brent don’t even talk,” said the staffer.

“It’s so dysfunctional. Darryl has been in the league as a respected player, coach and GM forever, and he knows more about the NHL than anyone in the organization. He saved this franchise. But his ego, or lack of social graces or whatever, has reached a point where the people who can help him find him totally unapproachable. That includes Brent. He doesn’t listen. It’s a reign of terror. Everyone is scared of him.”

http://www.calgarysun.com/sports/columnists/eric_francis/2010/04/10/13539306.html

Well Randy Sportak, a fellow Sun columnist, has been posting over on Calgarypuck defending Francis. Here are some of his comments:


Trust me on this, Eric wouldn't write that story with those quotes if they weren't legit. It's not easy to get people who will something like that, even unnamed.
Would you commit career suicide?

In regards to sources:

In this case, I know Eric talked to more than one person.

[mac_82]

Sound like nothing major will happen. More of a state of the union address and answering questions. Its about to start.

[SilverGS]

97% Renewal rate

[Ajay]

Sounds like fodder for the most part.

[Quizzes]

Listened for a few minutes... sounds like apologies and excuses for what happened in the season by Darryl.

[Neil4Speed]

Originally posted by Quizzes
Listened for a few minutes... sounds like apologies and excuses for what happened in the season by Darryl.

Essentially, quite boring really lol, you can't really hear the questions either.

Darryl seems to think it is strictly a playing at home thing. I think its obvious that he doesn't want to address the lack of scoring.

[cdnsir]

Hmmm... He mentioned locker room issues, and GM's fail of not getting on top of it with the existing relationships with the older players. Then when a guy asked if that was a reason why the trades took place. Dutter said yea, it was part of it. Interesting... wonder if it was Phaneuf, Ollie, or both?

[kenny]

Basically blaming the fans for the lack of home wins, which caused us to miss the playoffs.

Keep it classy Dutter.

[88CRX]

Originally posted by kenny
Basically blaming the fans for the lack of home wins, which caused us to miss the playoffs.

Keep it classy Dutter.

I didn't get that from what he said :dunno:

Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention.

[The_Rural_Juror]

I missed the conference. Is it saved anywhere?

[rawsensation]

How would you guys feel about Ken Hitchcock to the flames??? ;)

[beyond_ban]

Originally posted by rawsensation
How would you guys feel about Ken Hitchcock to the flames??? ;)

Right about now i'd take anything over the Sutterite Colony.

[Quizzes]

We ARE the C of Red! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[rumeo]

Hitchcock also plays a defence first system as well...

[stevieo]

Originally posted by rumeo
Hitchcock also plays a defence first system as well...
and probably more hard on rookies than sutter

[Kirbs17]

Sorry to hear it was non-commital in any way. I really hope Ken King drops "Dutter', and brings in new scouting staff.




Originally posted by rawsensation
How would you guys feel about Ken Hitchcock to the flames??? ;)

How would you feel if he was GM, versus coach? I think he had done well with the Team Canada brass. Any other thoughts? Or who would you rather for GM (assuming King ditches Dutter)?

[88CRX]

Damn.

Anyone hear Jarome's interview today? He said he would waive his no movement clause if management wanted him to. He wants to play somewhere that he's wanted.

[Impreza]

^That would be the biggest mistake management could make. In all honesty, who could we really get in exchange for Iggy? :goflames:

[Quiet10]

Originally posted by 88CRX
Damn.

Anyone hear Jarome's interview today? He said he would waive his no movement clause if management wanted him to. He wants to play somewhere that he's wanted.

Do you have a link or an article related to that? :eek:

[top_speed]

heres the link..

http://www.calgarysun.com/sports/hockey/2010/04/14/13584166.html

[Hakkola]

Originally posted by rawsensation
How would you guys feel about Ken Hitchcock to the flames??? ;)

He's the worst fucking coach in the league, I know someone that works for Columbus... Defense first, offensive players hate playing for them, he's the reason Filatov went back to Russia.

[mac_82]

There is no way, under any circumstance that we should trade Jarome, unless it is a Ray Bourque like move in the last year of his career.

He is under contract till he is 34 in 2012-13. Iggy still has many years left in him, and many years left with the Flames.

BUT if we did trade him, I would assume he would have equal or more value than Chris Pronger, who got 2x1st round picks (bottom 15), 1st round prospect (Sbisa), and Lupul (25 goal scorer/salary dump).

[mac_82]

Flames confirmed for World Championships:

USA
Moss
Nystrom

Canada
Giordano

[SilverGS]

Interesting Statistic on Calgary's win loss statistics with and without different players.

We did best with Moss in the lineup

David Moss 35-22-6 (.613) 5-9-4 (.389) .224
Christopher Higgins 7-4-1 (.625) 33-27-9 (.543) .082
Steve Staios 10-7-1 (.583) 30-24-9 (.548) .035
Nigel Dawes 33-25-7 (.562) 7-6-3 (.531) .031
Adam Pardy 28-21-7 (.563) 12-10-3 (.540) .023
Craig Conroy 32-25-5 (.556) 8-6-5 (.553) .003
Ales Kotalik 13-10-2 (.560) 30-21-8 (.576) -.016
Matt Stajan 13-11-2 (.538) 27-20-8 (.564) -.026
Ian White 13-11-2 (.538) 27-20-8 (.564) -.026
Niklas Hagman 13-11-2 (.538) 27-20-8 (.564) -.026
Jamal Mayers 13-11-2 (.538) 27-20-8 (.564) -.026
Curtis Glencross 33-27-7 (.545) 7-4-3 (.607) -.062
Brian McGrattan 13-13-8 (.500) 27-18-2 (.596) -.096
Cory Sarich 25-24-7 (.509) 15-7-3 (.660) -.151

[mac_82]

Originally posted by SilverGS
Interesting Statistic on Calgary's win loss statistics with and without different players.

Where did you pull those from?

I would love to see Regehr's from the last 3-4 years.

[SilverGS]

Originally posted by mac_82


Where did you pull those from?

I would love to see Regehr's from the last 3-4 years.

Sorry should of linked the story

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=318010

It only has this years and not all Flames.

[dezmarez]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Nystrom+Moss+join+Team+world+championships/2903116/story.html


good for nystrom and moss


http://www.calgarysun.com/sports/hockey/2010/04/14/13585421.html


good for gio!

[dezmarez]

Originally posted by mac_82
Flames confirmed for World Championships:

USA
Moss
Nystrom

Canada
Giordano


my bad my bad

[Quizzes]

What I interpreted was that Iggy won't hinder the Flames vision if he wasn't in their future plans. He's trying not to be too selfish. That's the opposite of what Mats Sundin did with Leafs.

Good for Iggy either way. Management and the ownership group would be stupid to let him go.

NO MORE TRADE IGGY TALK!!

[R-Audi]

Looks like a player that would be perfect for Iggy just demanded to be traded...
Martin St. Louis let it be known after the firings this week.. they just mentioned it on Hockey Central.. I havent looked for Internet links yet..

He is signed for another year at 4mill.. what would you give for him??
-Regher?
-Langkow and Rights to White?
-Hagman +?

[The_Rural_Juror]

But MSL wants to go to a winning team. :D :guns:

[D'z Nutz]

Originally posted by Quizzes
What I interpreted was that Iggy won't hinder the Flames vision if he wasn't in their future plans. He's trying not to be too selfish. That's the opposite of what Mats Sundin did with Leafs.

Good for Iggy either way. Management and the ownership group would be stupid to let him go.

NO MORE TRADE IGGY TALK!!

That's how I interpreted the interview: the team first even if he's not a part of that team.

[Benny]

Marty St. Louis would be fucking perfect for the Flames. He's been awesome for years and has proven his worth countless times.

[KLCC]

^ His number wasn't that impressive when he was a flames.....Besides he's 34, I don't think it would be in flames best interest to get another (HAS BEEN). :dunno:

[beyond_ban]

Lecavalier

That is all.

[aget]

Originally posted by KLCC
^ His number wasn't that impressive when he was a flames.....Besides he's 34, I don't think it would be in flames best interest to get another (HAS BEEN). :dunno:

He was a Flame 10 years ago. Not sure how you can base numbers off of that.....and if you think the Flames aren't interested in another has been, I think you underestimate dutter.:rofl:

[SilverGS]

Originally posted by KLCC
^ His number wasn't that impressive when he was a flames.....Besides he's 34, I don't think it would be in flames best interest to get another (HAS BEEN). :dunno:

Yeah that may have been a huge mistake not keeping him back then. He had good numbers with the few games he played with the farm team back then and was already starting to develop into the player he is today.

They let him go and TB signed him and he became a star within 2 years. Sure maybe if he stayed here he wouldn't of become the player he is now but if he did St Louis/Iggy would of been great these past 7 years.

Has been? He had 94 points this year on a crappy team. Without him Stamkos doesn't get 51 goals. Seems he might be a good setup man for a sniper like Iggy. Then again he may flounder in the Calgary D first system like everyone else.

[KLCC]

^ I don't think he can consistently contribute 90+ point each season onward. I rather take a chance at some unknown player from our farm system (i.e. David Van der Gulik) than having an old, experiencing player that might turn out to be another Jokinen.

[TorqueDog]

Originally posted by beyond_ban
Lecavalier

That is all. $7.7 million dollar cap hit.

THAT is all.

[beyond_ban]

Originally posted by TorqueDog
$7.7 million dollar cap hit.

THAT is all.

Good bye Bouwmeester.

[cdnsir]

Originally posted by beyond_ban
Lecavalier

That is all.


Originally posted by TorqueDog
$7.7 million dollar cap hit.

THAT is all.


For the next 9 years.

NOW THAT is all.

[beyond_ban]

Originally posted by cdnsir





For the next 9 years.

NOW THAT is all.

9 years of pure bliss. Perhaps 3 cups.

[KLCC]

^
and possibly sacrificing TONNES of first, second and third round draft pick for him....(unless he's 34+)

If we are shooting for Lecavalier, you might as well start chasing Crosby or Ovechkin.....get better run with them than Lecavalier

[bmeier]

st louis for
langkow and kotalik! :rofl:

if only it could happen

[SilverGS]

Originally posted by KLCC
^ I don't think he can consistently contribute 90+ point each season onward. I rather take a chance at some unknown player from our farm system (i.e. David Van der Gulik) than having an old, experiencing player that might turn out to be another Jokinen.

Not like he turned out over 80+ points per year over the last 4 years. Also acredited with helping Stamkos get to where he is now. Where has he even shown signs of slowing down? I don't see him being like Amonte, Nolan, or even Jokinen that have been here who already showed several years of decline before coming to Calgary. If he gets 80+ next year we would all be very happy with that.

He only has a season left on his contract as well so if he is a bust we aren't stuck with a huge contract like other players we have already. I don't see any way of us getting him but if there was I would take him in a heartbeat. I like Van Der Gulik but there is no way he would ever do more than what St Louis could bring next year.

[SilverGS]

Originally posted by bmeier
st louis for
langkow and kotalik! :rofl:

if only it could happen

They need better D. Regher + Sarich + Kotalik for St Louis :) lol

Only in my dreams.

[Quizzes]

Marty St. Louis has a NTC... I doubt he'll wanna go to Calgary seeing as how nobody gave a crap about him when he was here.

Well, if Dutter can trade with the Oilers, anything can happen, I guess. :dunno:

It'd be pretty awesome if we went to the Blues. LOL

[dezmarez]

Originally posted by KLCC
^ His number wasn't that impressive when he was a flames.....Besides he's 34, I don't think it would be in flames best interest to get another (HAS BEEN). :dunno:



Originally posted by KLCC
^ I don't think he can consistently contribute 90+ point each season onward. I rather take a chance at some unknown player from our farm system (i.e. David Van der Gulik) than having an old, experiencing player that might turn out to be another Jokinen.




haha umm what??

van der gulik has been toying around in the AHL for the past 4 years, and hasnt managed more than 20 goals in even one of those years?


and st louis has put up over 300 points in the last 4 seasons in the nhl...

and you would "rather take a chance" with van der gulik...


:banghead:

do you call into the fan960 after flames losses too?


/rant

sorry

[KLCC]

^ if you look at it, Flames need to get younger....and not older. having bunch of 30+ player is going to hurt the flames in the long run. (see last couple years, we were ousted of playoff partly because of many injured player)

Besides, how else could a young player (van der gulik and sutter) gain experience in a professional level. They might not all be a bust. It is a risk I believe worth taking (since it is most likely we are heading towards a rebuild stage). Look at how Kobasew Lombardi and Backlund turned out....

[R-Audi]

Originally posted by KLCC
Look at how Kobasew Lombardi and Backlund turned out....

None of these players are even close to St. Louis... what are you talking about?

Lombardi got 50 points this year, his career best

Kobasew's best is 49 points in 08/09

St. Louis has gotten over 80 points in the last 4 years!
For comparison.. 30 extra points.. thats just slightly less the the amount of goals Iggy scored this year. (32)

I'd be thrilled if we got St. Louis.. especially at a cap hit of 4 mill.
He does have a no trade clause, but he has openly asked to be traded....

[mac_82]

St. Louis has a $5.25m cap hit, but only a $4m salary. He would be a free agent at the end of next year. Only problem is he plays RW.

TBay looks thin on D, I wonder if they would take a deal including Regehr or Sarich +.

[SilverGS]

Originally posted by KLCC
^ if you look at it, Flames need to get younger....and not older. having bunch of 30+ player is going to hurt the flames in the long run. (see last couple years, we were ousted of playoff partly because of many injured player)

Besides, how else could a young player (van der gulik and sutter) gain experience in a professional level. They might not all be a bust. It is a risk I believe worth taking (since it is most likely we are heading towards a rebuild stage). Look at how Kobasew Lombardi and Backlund turned out....

The young guys have all been brought up to see what they got in the NHL. Only Backlund has been kept up with the big team. Truth be told none of those guys are even making huge waves in the AHL let alone the NHL. We have some guys that have some potential but it doesn't look like any are ready to make an impact with the team other than be a 4th line plugger.

If we were rebuilding then sure we would give the young guys more of a chance but it doesn't look like we are and unless we trade Iggy and Kipper there really is no point. As you mentioned the core is getting older. I doubt they want to wait and see if some of the young guys MIGHT be able to step up in the next couple of years. Wether you like it or not we don't have any high draft picks this year to even help with a rebuild.

The young guys get a chance at the camp each year to impress and after that they have to play well at the AHL level. Even Backlund didn't make it until later in the season.

I understand where you are coming from? I would like to see some young speed and enthusiasm injected into this team but I just don't see how we would do that unless we do it through trades or blow everything up.

We just missed the playoffs by a small margin in the harder conference. Like the defensive style or not we can still be a competitive team. Given I don't think we are going to be rebuilding at this point we need to try and make moves that will help us.

[KLCC]

The young guys have all been brought up to see what they got in the NHL. Only Backlund has been kept up with the big team. Truth be told none of those guys are even making huge waves in the AHL let alone the NHL. We have some guys that have some potential but it doesn't look like any are ready to make an impact with the team other than be a 4th line plugger.

If we were rebuilding then sure we would give the young guys more of a chance but it doesn't look like we are and unless we trade Iggy and Kipper there really is no point. As you mentioned the core is getting older. I doubt they want to wait and see if some of the young guys MIGHT be able to step up in the next couple of years. Wether you like it or not we don't have any high draft picks this year to even help with a rebuild.

The young guys get a chance at the camp each year to impress and after that they have to play well at the AHL level. Even Backlund didn't make it until later in the season.

I understand where you are coming from? I would like to see some young speed and enthusiasm injected into this team but I just don't see how we would do that unless we do it through trades or blow everything up.

We just missed the playoffs by a small margin in the harder conference. Like the defensive style or not we can still be a competitive team. Given I don't think we are going to be rebuilding at this point we need to try and make moves that will help us.

I don’t believe the hire-a-gun approach and I definitely don’t think having St.Louis, Lecavalier or Kovachuk can instantly make Flames a cup contender. It might just look good on paper, much like this year. (Having said that, St.Louis is not going to come to Calgary anyway, since he wants to be on a winning team, and I doubt Calgary is that team.)

My rational behind the current Flames situation is that given Calgary's limited professional hockey market, in order to fetch any type of marquee player (whether that be Kovalchuk, St.Louis or Lecavalier). Flames need to sacrifice either cap space, draft pick or most likely both to accommodate that (case in point, Jokinen for Lombardi and draft pick, Alex Tanguay for Jordan Leopold and two second round (2006, 2007) picks. Not that Jokinen was the marquee type player that we were expecting).

When you head down the path of sacrificing draft picks, you'll end up being much like where we are today (no future young blood to be poured into our farm system). If you take a cap hit. You end up trading one area of the game for another area of the game. Like how Calgary was lacking defense during the time when Cammie was here and Dutter went and fetched Jay Bo to boost the defense. Now we are taking a hit for not having that extra offense we can use.

While I am no expert at this, I thought the best route for flames now, is just bite down the bullet and let the current player play it out. Like you said, I believe in trading the player like Kotalik and Higgins for simply just draft picks and free up some salary cap to attract younger talent after playoff. If we fail to get into the playoff next year, at least we will have some more talent in our farm system and a younger team that might be able to take a physical beating of the game. I thought this was kind of interesting to read… http://calgaryflames.net/2009/04/13/1989-vs-2004-vs-2009. It seems like we play good when we only have a player that’s over 30+.

[R-Audi]

One thing people are forgetting, since the Flames have been in the top half of the league for the last few seasons, we have been getting shitty draft picks. Besides the Phaneuf pick, we havent had anything under 10 since 2003. Even with that being said, we are terrible at drafting, and its usually a crap shoot if they even work out.
In the past 5 years, we have 1 first round pick that has played over 5 games....

I think we are doing quite well by trading for talent....

[trieuth]

Originally posted by R-Audi


None of these players are even close to St. Louis... what are you talking about?

Lombardi got 50 points this year, his career best

Kobasew's best is 49 points in 08/09

St. Louis has gotten over 80 points in the last 4 years!
For comparison.. 30 extra points.. thats just slightly less the the amount of goals Iggy scored this year. (32)

I'd be thrilled if we got St. Louis.. especially at a cap hit of 4 mill.
He does have a no trade clause, but he has openly asked to be traded....

st.louis wasnt even drafted, it took him YEARS to develop into the player he is now.

[R-Audi]

Originally posted by trieuth


st.louis wasnt even drafted, it took him YEARS to develop into the player he is now.

Super?
My post was in response to the above.. having absolutely nothing to do with your comment.

[Kirbs17]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'll say it anyways:

I'd be perfectly fine if Calgary trimmed the fat from our current roster, and had a rebuilding phase for a few years. Take a team like Chicago for instance (MINUS the out of line GM, who's put himself into a cap restriction like no other). They rebuilt with young, strong, electrifying talent (minus Hossa). I prefer watching that style of hockey versus what we're being served now. I hate the fact that shithead Dutter has given away all of our draftpicks, its disgusting.

Someone (sorry, cant remember the name) mentioned that Iginla is signed til he's 34, or there abouts. I don't think we should resign him after that point. Know why? We've given him a few (failed?) partners within our budget to pair with, and he hasn't clicked with them enough to truly carry the team into anything meaningful. (With that being said, I realize how far worse we'd be if he wasnt here etc etc).

Personally, I've soured on the current team of unrecognizable nobodies (Fuck you Ian White, I miss Phanuef. Defensive lapses and all).

[Kirbs17]

Originally posted by KLCC
I believe in trading the player like Kotalik and Higgins for simply just draft picks and free up some salary cap to attract younger talent after playoff.

EXACTLY!!

[sputnik]

Originally posted by KLCC
I believe in trading the player like Kotalik and Higgins for simply just draft picks and free up some salary cap to attract younger talent after playoff.

Except for the fact that Higgins is an UFA this year.

[95teetee]

Originally posted by sputnik


Except for the fact that Higgins is an UFA this year. that makes it even better if we can trade him for some picks:D

[VWEvo]

Originally posted by 95teetee
that makes it even better if we can trade him for some picks:D :facepalm: :rofl:

[b_t]

Originally posted by Kirbs17
Personally, I've soured on the current team of unrecognizable nobodies (Fuck you Ian White, I miss Phanuef. Defensive lapses and all).

You do know that of the two, White is the better player.. right?

[TorqueDog]

Originally posted by b_t
You do know that of the two, White is the better player.. right? We need someone on the team who can replace him in a physical sense. We don't have anyone on the team who can intimidate and absolutely decimate opposing players with open-ice hits like Phaneuf could.

We've noted this before - the Flames of '03/'04 were a FAR more physical team than any team after it. And when the Flames DO hit and hit often, we come out on top.

Watch any games from last season? Any game we stopped hitting in, our opponents started killing us. Any game we started hitting in, we led the play.

[S13_Ryan]

and you guys think phaneuf did that for us throughout every season he spent here? WRONG, phaneuf became a pussy after his first season here.

[dezmarez]

Originally posted by KLCC
^ if you look at it, Flames need to get younger....and not older. having bunch of 30+ player is going to hurt the flames in the long run. (see last couple years, we were ousted of playoff partly because of many injured player)

Besides, how else could a young player (van der gulik and sutter) gain experience in a professional level. They might not all be a bust. It is a risk I believe worth taking (since it is most likely we are heading towards a rebuild stage). Look at how Kobasew Lombardi and Backlund turned out....


in response to your first part...

i dont believe st.louis has missed a game in the last 4 years...

just checked and ya hasn't missed a game in 4 years, has played in all 82 and missed only 2 games the year before.
So in 5 years of professional hockey he has missed 2 games. Also, there are plenty of players that play well right up into their 40's.


Secondly to your point "how else could a young player gain experience in a professional level"
he would do that (that being, gaining ecperience in a professional level) by proving himself in the AHL, which is a professional league.

[TorqueDog]

Originally posted by S13_Ryan
and you guys think phaneuf did that for us throughout every season he spent here? WRONG, phaneuf became a pussy after his first season here. For serious? He laid out Kyle Okposo in the PRE-SEASON even.

Contrast that with Regehr and Phaneuf was still the most physical guy on our team. I always remember Sarich for the hit on Marleau in the SJ series, but I haven't seen much physical play out of him in a long time.

[b_t]

Originally posted by TorqueDog
For serious? He laid out Kyle Okposo in the PRE-SEASON even.

Contrast that with Regehr and Phaneuf was still the most physical guy on our team. I always remember Sarich for the hit on Marleau in the SJ series, but I haven't seen much physical play out of him in a long time.

I'd gladly trade big open ice hits for solid play any day, and Phaneuf did not have solid play.. not by a longshot. If he could have kept up his rookie year point production then I could have dealt with his defense issues, but as time wore on he stopped getting points, and he still looked like a pylon on a regular basis.

He was getting worse, not better, and dumping his salary for three good players was an awesome move.

[mac_82]

Originally posted by TorqueDog
For serious? He laid out Kyle Okposo in the PRE-SEASON even.

Contrast that with Regehr and Phaneuf was still the most physical guy on our team. I always remember Sarich for the hit on Marleau in the SJ series, but I haven't seen much physical play out of him in a long time.

I think Gio was our most physical dman this year. He is also the smallest. In one game against LA alone he killed Dustin Brown 3 or 4 times.

[D'z Nutz]

As a blueliner you would think at minimum he could keep the puck within the attacking zone. I can't even begin to count how many plays Dion bunged up just because he was too lazy to go for the puck when it was passed towards his direction. I've been saying for years how one-dimensional he was. I'd take White over Dion any day.

I can't wait until Dion becomes captain: Yeah, like I said. I'm very excited to be the captain of the Maple Leafs.

[Kirbs17]

Originally posted by b_t


You do know that of the two, White is the better player.. right?

Notice the defensive lapses and all comment? I wasn't contesting that White may be more solid than Phanuef. I personally liked Dion.

[ZEDGE]

Jeez.. watching these hockey games tonight makes me even more depressed about the Flames.. Damn.. all this fast skating and amazing plays. Will we ever see hockey like this from the Flames? Probably not.. Flames look like dog shit to this.. :thumbsdow

Fuck this defensive, plugger, Sutter shit hockey.


:(

[TorqueDog]

Originally posted by b_t
I'd gladly trade big open ice hits for solid play any day, and Phaneuf did not have solid play.. not by a longshot. I'm saying we need BOTH.

[Kavy]

Zedge I have to agree.

This year is incredibly entertaining.

[Ajay]

Watching the playoffs makes me wonder if Calgary needs to get away from the "traditional" style of play and adopt other types that make other teams more successful.

One thing I've noticed that may work for the Flames is putting Iggy on the point on the PP. Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, and Nash are all great examples of guys that play the point on the PP and are pretty successful with it.

Gives him more room to operate but it's easy to be an armchair coach.

[trieuth]

Originally posted by Ajay
Watching the playoffs makes me wonder if Calgary needs to get away from the "traditional" style of play and adopt other types that make other teams more successful.

One thing I've noticed that may work for the Flames is putting Iggy on the point on the PP. Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, and Nash are all great examples of guys that play the point on the PP and are pretty successful with it.

Gives him more room to operate but it's easy to be an armchair coach.

or stack the left point with kotalik and jarome the half board, bork and hagman in front of the net and either jaybo or giordano on the right point feeding the one timer pass to either of the big shooters

[flipstah]

Anybody know when the annual equipment sale is?

[stevieo]

i think its the first weekend in june.

[R-Audi]

Originally posted by flipstah
Anybody know when the annual equipment sale is?

Don't go if you are looking for deals on goalie gear... You can easily find used gear elsewhere cheaper.

Also you would have to be there minimum of 4 hours early....

Trust me from experience.. I was 5th in line and was barely able to get a set of McElhinney Vaughn Pads, and they were 850 (not terrible). The Kipper gear went for the same price as ordering brand new! (First person in line) Second and third scooped up all of Cujo's gear.. for a wall display!!

I won't ever be going back.. way easier to find good deals on Pro Returns elswhere on the web.

[mac_82]

Rumour has been going around that the Flames signed Bryan Cameron.

OHL overage player, 21 years old, was drafted by the Kings in 2007 (3rd round, 82nd), but was unsigned.

He led the OHL in goals this year with 53 goals in 62 games (for those counting Taylor Hall had 40 and Seguin had 48, but both are 3 years younger).

I'm not saying the guy is a sure thing, but it's nice Sutter is trying to grab prospects any way he can this year with our lack of draft picks. Hopefully he fits in well in Abbotsford next year, and eventually progresses like Mark Giordano did (undrafted, signed at 21 by the Flames).

[S13_Ryan]

:clap: :clap:

[kenny]

Article on signing:
http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=527766

[Integra10]

Montreal just won 3-1:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[SilverRex]

:facepalm: cammi why didnt he show up in the playoff in a flames jersy

even savard scored one in OTfor boston,

[TorqueDog]

Originally posted by SilverRex
:facepalm: cammi why didnt he show up in the playoff in a flames jersyWhy didn't the whole team show up?

[Quizzes]

Originally posted by mac_82
Rumour has been going around that the Flames signed Bryan Cameron.

OHL overage player, 21 years old, was drafted by the Kings in 2007 (3rd round, 82nd), but was unsigned.

He led the OHL in goals this year with 53 goals in 62 games (for those counting Taylor Hall had 40 and Seguin had 48, but both are 3 years younger).

I'm not saying the guy is a sure thing, but it's nice Sutter is trying to grab prospects any way he can this year with our lack of draft picks. Hopefully he fits in well in Abbotsford next year, and eventually progresses like Mark Giordano did (undrafted, signed at 21 by the Flames).
Not a bad signing. One of those low risk, high reward types. Worst case scenario would be him sucking in the NHL and become a career AHLer, but at least we didn't waste a draft pick and salary would be minimal.

Let's hope for a Martin St. Louis type deal from this guy! :clap:

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by TorqueDog
Why didn't the whole team show up?

your right, and as much as this idea has been beaten to death, I am completely favor of a huge shake up, I do believe sutter (if he is still GM) will see some big trades this summer.

Iggy has been here what, like 14 years? starting to feel might mirror a lindros or sudin, where, the longer he stays here, the lesser the value he becomes. I have absolutely nothing against our poor captain, but this is all but business, we need to find a way to reel in a potential franchise prayer.

send iggy to pens for malkin, send kipper to chi for Jonathnan toews.

;)

[TorqueDog]

Originally posted by SilverRex
send iggy to pens for malkin, send kipper to chi for Jonathnan toews.

;) And what happens when NHL '11 comes out and you can't transfer your save-games? ;)

[SilverRex]

Originally posted by TorqueDog
And what happens when NHL '11 comes out and you can't transfer your save-games? ;)

haha, come on, its called sacraficing for the greater good

[max_boost]

Really all Calgary needs to do is get another guy who can score 30 goals. Assuming they can hold down defensively like this past year.

Let in 40 fewer goals but score 50 less lol (Bert+Camms) Ok if they had Camms and his 25 that would have been huge or maybe he doesn't get hurt and hits 40. Just saying.

[Quizzes]

Originally posted by SilverRex

send iggy to pens for malkin, send kipper to chi for Jonathnan toews.

;)

That's a good way to push Backlund down the depth chart.