Lexus made CR's "Do Not Buy" list

[Xtrema]

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/13/consumer-reports-puts-lexus-gx-on-do-not-buy-list-due-t/


During testing, the Consumer Reports crew found that the traction control on the GX would allow the vehicle to slide nearly completely sideways before getting everything in line.

It must be a special sport drift mode.........

[TYMSMNY]

sweet. drifting in a 5000lb beast.

[scat19]

Another problem! Wow-wee.

[Eleanor]

LOL, would be sweet, except for the fact that drifting in an SUV is more commonly known as a rollover :D

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Lift-off oversteer making a Lexus less boring? Sounds like a step in the right direction to me!

[corsvette]

All the senior citizens will be dissapointed with this.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by corsvette
All the senior citizens will be dissapointed with this.
The new GX is actually super nice. :thumbsup: You can't win, people complain that the T/C is to intrusive or they complain that it's not enough. :dunno:

[G]

Redlyne what's with the BMW roundel? Did move next door?

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by G
Redlyne what's with the BMW bmw roundel? Did move next door?
Actually across town to the Gallery. :)

[G]

I can't believe how much people in your industry move around.

My BIL went from
Country Hills Toyota
Calgary BMW
Country Hills Toyota
Lonestar

Within 3 years.


Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2

Actually across town to the Gallery. :)

[Xtrema]

^ How many people are loyal to one brand for life?

I'm not a saleman so I don't know the biz, so here's my guess:

But with luxury brand you don't have to worry about volume due to high margins. With common brands, you may have to sell like 10 Civics to get the same commission of 1 335i.

So you really have to be established have have a big customer base to survived in non-luxury brand dealerships.

[dino_martini]

People buy the GX? really? wow...

[Sentry]

Originally posted by TYMSMNY
sweet. drifting in a 5000lb beast.
Hell yeah!

http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2010/04/13/n_toyota_lexus_gx_460_suv_skid.cnnmoney/?cnn=yes&hpt=C2

[Xtrema]

It would get Clarkson's blessing if that was an episode of Top Gear!

[signature7]

This sucks....


Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2

The new GX is actually super nice. :thumbsup: You can't win, people complain that the T/C is to intrusive or they complain that it's not enough. :dunno:


I'm just going to believe this whole-heartedly so I can sleep better at night LOL.:poosie:

EDIT:

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Toyota+suspends+sales+Lexus+after+safety+warning/2902776/story.html

Says they have suspended sales. What happens if you're waiting on yours? :cry: :facepalm: :banghead:

[traviswithaG]

ug if only i could get my rav4 to do that. stupid stability control.
:rofl:

[Weapon_R]

Toyota ceases sales of GX 460

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36457556/ns/business-autos?GT1=43001

[cloud7]

they just need to get the throttle to stick, to counter the sudden lift oversteer 'problem'.

[jdmXSI]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2

Actually across town to the Gallery. :)

When is this going to happen? You may have to deal with me on a daily basis...:D

[TYMSMNY]

Originally posted by Sentry

Hell yeah!

http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2010/04/13/n_toyota_lexus_gx_460_suv_skid.cnnmoney/?cnn=yes&hpt=C2

HOLY! sweet find. It didn't tip over though as per reports... nor did it keep going... I call BS. LOL.


Originally posted by jdmXSI


When is this going to happen? You may have to deal with me on a daily basis...:D

Haha, he's going to have his hands full. Here we come!! :D

[Sentry]

Yeah they said it "could have" tipped if it hit a curb or slid off an off ramp while drifting... Well no shit.

[FiveFreshFish]

It made my "do not buy" list ages ago. ;)

[Phuqu]

It wouldn't be the first time Consumer Reports cried about SUV's.

http://www.automobile.com/american-suzuki-and-consumer-reports-magazine-settle-lawsuit.html

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
You can't win, people complain that the T/C is to intrusive or they complain that it's not enough. :dunno: Don't think there are too many GX owners looking for a "sport" mode ;)

And it would be stability management, not traction control that would help out in this case.

[911fever]

Originally posted by Xtrema
^ How many people are loyal to one brand for life?

I'm not a saleman so I don't know the biz, so here's my guess:

But with luxury brand you don't have to worry about volume due to high margins. With common brands, you may have to sell like 10 Civics to get the same commission of 1 335i.

So you really have to be established have have a big customer base to survived in non-luxury brand dealerships.

Not 10 civics, but maybe 4 or 5 if they are all minimum deals for Civics. There's way more money in luxury car sales for sure.

[clem24]

I saw this on the news the other day. I think it's totally overblown. It sucks for Toyota. And it's great advertising for Consumer Reports. That GX was not even close to being in danger of rolling over. If this is such a concern, maybe CR should also issue do not buy for every rear engine Porsche out there. Seriously... What did people do before traction and stability control? Um.. Oh yeah, they drove!

And their tests showed lift off oversteer at fairly high speeds. The news report likened it to "a scenario like coming off a highway ramp". Really at those speeds most cars would probably understeer anyway and still head for the ditch.

Frankly I think it's great that Toyota finally has a performance car/drifter in it's stable!!! :D

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by clem24
Frankly I think it's great that Toyota finally has a performance car/drifter in it's stable!!! :D

How dare you..... Toyota had a drifter all along.....

http://www.autoclub.co.jp/den_en/stock/ae86-1.jpg



While it may be overblown, I'm sure CR is objective enough to throw other SUVs into the same test. After all, they never complained about another SUV since 2003 and we had tons of them since then.

[Redlyne_mr2]

^^^ I dunno man, the X5 T/C can get pretty wild lol.

[TYMSMNY]

^ want to take the X5M out for a drifting session and see? If so, I'm on my way. :D

[signature7]

Called Lexus yesterday, they know nothing of suspended sales but know of the issue.

TYMSMNY, The M mode is wild!

[TYMSMNY]

^ yea, heard it fire up last week. :eek:

[Xtrema]

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/14/why-the-lexus-gx-may-be-rollover-prone/


Most modern vehicles will simply understeer straight ahead at the limit. The GX, on the other hand, suddenly swung its rear end sideways. The ESC did not immediately intervene and bring it back in line. Instead, it responded late and because of the degree of instability, it brought the vehicle to a complete halt. Just to make sure this wasn't a problem with one particular vehicle, CR procured a second example that exhibited the same behavior. This is particularly surprising because Toyota/Lexus products have a reputation for having overly aggressive ESC systems that tend to intervene early and often.

[clem24]

Originally posted by Xtrema


How dare you..... Toyota had a drifter all along.....


LOL What I really meant to say was they made another worth drifter.

[signature7]

Picked the "drift machine" up this last evening. It's going to Spy Design for a full body wrap in the morning.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p88/signature7/img028-1-1-1.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p88/signature7/IMG_0037.jpg


Oh and they said "specialty floor mats" are on the way because of the whole Toyota debacle, hope my weather techs come in soon!

More bad pics here,

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&postid=3354334#post3354334

[D. Dub]

^^^

One, number of recalls is a bad measurement -- recalls can be a good thing as well as a bad thing.

Secondly, those stats in the letter are meaningless without the total number of cars sold by each manufacturer.

Dinner is a nice touch though :D

[911fever]

Lexus really does have customer service.