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5hift

07-07-2010, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by bigboom
Bosh is solid but I dont think i'd ever consider him a franchise player, only reason he did well in TO is they tried running everythign through him so he got his touches.

in his 7 years as a Raptor they only made the playoffs twice, cant say I would consider him on the same level as LBJ and Wade but a solid signing. being a raptors fan im glad he didnt accept a max money contract.

Bosh was by far the best and youngest big man available. He is 25 I think and averaged 24 and 10 a game last year and players normally start peaking around 27. He also has shown he doesn't want to be the guy and is OK being number 2, and that when he doesn't have to worry about scoring, he can dominate the boards.

Originally posted by holden

If Bosh and Wade sign max contracts, Miami only has about $12 million left to sign free agents.

Bosh is most likely going to do a sign and trade as if he doesn't, he will leave about 30 million on the table. If a sign and trade happens for Beasley like they are speculating, the Heat have enough space for a 3rd max contract.

Originally posted by beyond_ban
Not much hope for TO next year.

TO didnt have hope either way. I`m not surprised Bosh left, management is a joke. Soft Euro team, I cant believe they just dropped 35 million on a bench player who cant score.

bigboom

07-07-2010, 01:15 PM

Miami has a crazy offseason too. WIth these two signing that means they only hae two other players under contract beasely and chalmers. it'll be interesting to see how riley spends the rest of his money.

J.M.

07-07-2010, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Impreza
Bosh is very overrated. Good player but certainly not great and definitely not deserving of a max contract.

:werd:

max_boost

07-07-2010, 01:18 PM

Bosh is better served as the 2nd guy. Well reason why he joined Wade in Miami.

I mean Bosh numbers are similar to Amare but anyone would take Amare as he is much more dynamic!

5hift

07-07-2010, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by bigboom
i'd rather see lebron create his own legacy without 2 other top of the class players.

Even Jordan couldn't win without another superstar (Pip). And even then, when it was just the two of them and the rest of the team was weak, they got knocked out in MJ`s prime by Shaq and Penny in 95 i think.

bubbley

07-07-2010, 01:23 PM

Somewhere Kobe is pissed

I think cus of this signing lebron joins amare in NYC or he now stays in CLE and they bring in lee or boozer

With that being said it would be sick as hell if james joined MIA but I think the egos will not allow it

max_boost

07-07-2010, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by 5hift

Even Jordan couldn't win without another superstar (Pip). And even then, when it was just the two of them and the rest of the team was weak, they got knocked out in MJ`s prime by Shaq and Penny in 95 i think.

That doesn't count. He just came off of playing baseball for a 1.5 years haha

The next year he swept Penny and crew and had 72 wins. :D

Ya but is there enough ball to go around between LBJ/Bosh/Wade??

5hift

07-07-2010, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by max_boost

I mean Bosh numbers are similar to Amare but anyone would take Amare as he is much more dynamic!

I personally like Amare more than Bosh as I think Bosh is soft for his size. But for any GM its no contest.

Bosh is two years younger, much better shot, averaged more points, rebounds, assists per game, not to mention Amare has had a micro-fracture surgery that usually ends careers.

5hift

07-07-2010, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by max_boost

That doesn't count. He just came off of playing baseball for a 1.5 years haha

The next year he swept Penny and crew and had 72 wins. :D

Damn I knew basketball fans were lurking about

That’s true, but keep in mind MJ dropped 55 on the best defensive team (Knicks) in his 5th game back so he wasn’t exactly rusty. I think it has more to do with the fact in 94 the Bulls lost Grant, Cartwright, Williams and Paxson. Then in 95 in their best year, yeah Jordan was back in game shape, but probably had more to do with the fact they traded for this guy named Rodman, and Kukoc came out of nowhere to be the 6th man of the year.

holden

07-07-2010, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by 5hift

Bosh is most likely going to do a sign and trade as if he doesn't, he will leave about 30 million on the table. If a sign and trade happens for Beasley like they are speculating, the Heat have enough space for a 3rd max contract.

Reports today are saying that Bosh is willing to sign outright, a five year deal at the max, without a S&T. Wade is still willing to take less money to get Lebron though.

5hift

07-07-2010, 01:41 PM

Chris Bosh and Dywane Wade said on ESPN Wednesday that they've both agreed to play for the Heat next season.
This news broke earlier in the day, but now becomes a certainty. Both players said they won't change their minds, and will now wait, along with the rest of us, for LeBron's decision tomorrow night. They also said that it "wasn't about the money" and that they would take less to make room for LeBron or to help fill out the roster if necessary.

They also said they have not decided on how many years they'll sign for.

Jul. 7 - 12:35 pm et

I guess everyone's waiting on Lebron`s press conference tomorrow to iron out the details. I hope all three take less money to play together.

DelSoln

07-07-2010, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by max_boost

That doesn't count. He just came off of playing baseball for a 1.5 years haha

No doubt. Jordan only played 17 regular season games that year. In his prime my ass. He wasn't even in shape. As for Bosh, him becoming the second option should be a great fit. I don't think he can take the pressure of being a franchise player. If he plays the role of Gasol for Wade there will be big success.

max_boost

07-07-2010, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by 5hift

Damn I knew basketball fans were lurking about

That’s true, but keep in mind MJ dropped 55 on the best defensive team (Knicks) in his 5th game back so he wasn’t exactly rusty. I think it has more to do with the fact in 94 the Bulls lost Grant, Cartwright, Williams and Paxson. Then in 95 in their best year, yeah Jordan was back in game shape, but probably had more to do with the fact they traded for this guy named Rodman, and Kukoc came out of nowhere to be the 6th man of the year.

Ya good point. I have to credit you as you seem more in the know with the sports stuff.

beecue

07-07-2010, 01:44 PM

That's sweet. I thought they were all holding a press conference tomorrow though. :dunno:

Oz-

07-07-2010, 03:04 PM

I don't think LeBron would be taking up an entire hour on ESPN to announce he was going to Miami/Chicago/New York/New Jersey. He is doing it to stay in Cleveland, thus far he has been pretty good in maintaining his image. The hero to bring the first ever championship to his hometown. That story sells IMO, even if New York would provide a bigger market.

5hift

07-07-2010, 03:13 PM

Its so hard to say but I think he wants to win.

If he goes back to Clevland, even if they sign Boozer, they are still not good enough to win.

If he goes to NY, him and Amare wont be enough to win until they get cap relief in a few years.

NJ has no shot at being competitive soon.

IMO only Chicago or Miami are the only remaining spots with rosters good enough to win with now.

Oz-

07-07-2010, 03:18 PM

From my understanding to be able to afford Miami, Bosh will have to do a sign & trade for Beasley which will provide them room to sign LeBron and then acquire some more talent to surround them.

bubbley

07-07-2010, 03:20 PM

Boozer just signed to BULLS!

max_boost

07-07-2010, 03:26 PM

LBJ to the Bulls then. SICK lineup. WTF more do you want Bron? LOL

bubbley

07-07-2010, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by max_boost
LBJ to the Bulls then. SICK lineup. WTF more do you want Bron? LOL

Im thinking this exact same thing...even Obama is hoping lebron signs with bulls

:eek:

Edit: and they have just enough room to sign a max contract :D

sexualbanana

07-07-2010, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by 5hift
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5360911

Surprised this hasnt been posted yet.

Hopefully LBJ signs, not a Laker fan, it'd be fun to see em crushed. Either way Wade and Bosh will be sick and they have 100 mill still left to spend on free agents in Miami.

LBJ will stay with Cleveland. I've been telling my friends in NYC this for the last 10 months that they better hope Cleveland wins the title this year or else Lebron is staying in Cleveland. His ego won't allow him to leave his hometown(ish) without bringing home a title. Not to mention, it's not like Cleveland has been a terrible team since he's been there.

Originally posted by KeepItGully
Am I the only one hoping to see LBJ in blue and orange next year?

You're not the only one hoping

Originally posted by bubbley

With that being said it would be sick as hell if james joined MIA but I think the egos will not allow it

All 3 players (even 2 if you want think Bosh will have a support role) require too many touches to be effective and unless every game goes into double-overtime, someone is going to be upset about the offense.

Originally posted by max_boost

I mean Bosh numbers are similar to Amare but anyone would take Amare as he is much more dynamic!

Originally posted by 5hift

I personally like Amare more than Bosh as I think Bosh is soft for his size. But for any GM its no contest.

Stoudamire has Nash to thank for his production, and reuniting with D'Antoni won't bring up Stoudamire's numbers because they don't have a point guard to run D'Anton's high-tempo offense effectively.

And I find it weird that you accuse Bosh of being soft and not Stoudamire when Stoudamire was outrebounded twice in the Western Finals by Steve Nash. Not to mention Bosh has a high rebounding average than Stoudamire.

P.S. Just saw that Boozer is signing with Chicago

holden

07-07-2010, 04:11 PM

Jared Dudley just tweeted that Lebron is going to the Knicks.

bubbley

07-07-2010, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by holden
Jared Dudley just tweeted that Lebron is going to the Knicks.

Wouldnt doubt this he showed up to his bball camp yesterday wearing a yankees hat!

sexualbanana

07-07-2010, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by holden
Jared Dudley just tweeted that Lebron is going to the Knicks.

Someone else just tweeted "Now if only anyone knew who Jared Dudley was then maybe it would be a story."

Originally posted by bubbley

Wouldnt doubt this he showed up to his bball camp yesterday wearing a yankees hat!

Lebron wears a Yankees hat everywhere.

bubbley

07-07-2010, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by sexualbanana

Someone else just tweeted "Now if only anyone knew who Jared Dudley was then maybe it would be a story."

Lebron wears a Yankees hat everywhere.

But he's smart enought to wear it or not wear it in this time as well. ;)

it's a sign!

holden

07-07-2010, 04:33 PM

Members of the Chicago Bulls front office are also saying Lebron is going to New York.

sexualbanana

07-07-2010, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by bubbley

But he's smart enought to wear it or not wear it in this time as well. ;)

it's a sign!

He also wore a Yankees hat to an Indians game, in Cleveland, during the ALDS.

5hift

07-07-2010, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by sexualbanana

Stoudamire has Nash to thank for his production, and reuniting with D'Antoni won't bring up Stoudamire's numbers because they don't have a point guard to run D'Anton's high-tempo offense effectively.

And I find it weird that you accuse Bosh of being soft and not Stoudamire when Stoudamire was outrebounded twice in the Western Finals by Steve Nash. Not to mention Bosh has a high rebounding average than Stoudamire.

NY has been trying to get Tony Parker and will make a run when Eddy Curry comes off the books. I think thats part of the plan in bringing Amare in, was also a top point guard. Ridnour is probably going to hold the fort til then.

Rebounding is not what I am referring to when I say soft. Bosh gets knocked down and falls over too much (didn't get the nickname from Shaq for nothing). He seems to settle for shots when he could dunk over smaller guys. I actually stated many times Bosh was better on the boards.

max_boost

07-07-2010, 04:44 PM

Oh shit. Add Tony Parker to that mix with LBJ/Amare and go damn.

Who's good on the Knicks? Harrington and David Lee? :dunno:

5hift

07-07-2010, 04:47 PM

but damn Boozer and Noah are going to be beasts on the boards next year.

Max is right If Lebron did sign with them that would be a lineup:

C - Noah
PF - Boozer
SF - Deng
SG - Lebron
PG - Rose

sexualbanana

07-07-2010, 04:49 PM

Amare's also not much of a standard post-up guy and is much better at catching and finishing on the move. That makes him a great fit in D'Antoni's system, but I still think that Stoudamire's deficiencies as a defender and rebounder really point to my perception that Stoudamire is softer than Bosh.

We also can't forget that Farmar is a UFA now too, and I think he'll be a really good fit with the Knicks. Though I wouldn't complain with Ridnour either.

I highly doubt Lebron is going to the Knicks, so having said that I've read that the Knicks might even just pack up and make a play for Carmelo in hopes that he doesn't re-sign with the Nuggets.

EDIT: I personally would choose Ridnour or Farmar over Parker at this point because Parker is really starting to show the mileage, along with Ginobli. They had a great balls to the wall-style, but it's taken its toll.

5hift

07-07-2010, 04:49 PM

The Knicks have a worn down McGrady and Gallinari as their key pieces right now besides Stoudemire.

The have some huge contracts expiring in the near future and will have a lot more cap space in a few years as well.

David Lee has been told to get lost pretty much I think.

95teetee

07-07-2010, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by 5hift

Hopefully LBJ signs, not a Laker fan, it'd be fun to see em crushed. Like the addition of Shaq meant that the Lakers (your Worrrrrlllllld Champion Lakers!) would get crushed this year:rofl:

I'm still not convinced that adding Lebron means anything as far as playoff success goes.

gyu

07-07-2010, 06:57 PM

Miami will probably use the rest on a solid center like Brenden Haywood, the rest of their roster will be garbage though and at least they didn't have to give up Beasley he still has a chance to develop into a all star but I don't see it happening with his role getting smaller.

gyu

07-07-2010, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by max_boost
Oh shit. Add Tony Parker to that mix with LBJ/Amare and go damn.

Who's good on the Knicks? Harrington and David Lee? :dunno:
David Lee is a free agent, I read a rumor he is going to phoenix.
What's the source that Boozer is going to Bulls? I doubt bulls have a chance at getting LeBron now if they paid Boozer max which I think they would've done because they didn't want to be one of the teams left empty handed after free agency.

Edit: I just read it 80 mill/5 year

sexualbanana

07-07-2010, 07:51 PM

Nevermind about Parker. I thought he was closer to 30-31 not 28

extm88

07-07-2010, 08:52 PM

i hate bosh, while not a huge raps fan the least he could have done was the sign and trade. Give the raps something in return. Not only this but it would have opened cap for Miami to sign LBJ.
Raps are screwed next year and Bosh is a homo.
Posted on his twitter July 1st - This day has finally come...

gyu

07-07-2010, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by extm88
i hate bosh, while not a huge raps fan the least he could have done was the sign and trade. Give the raps something in return. Not only this but it would have opened cap for Miami to sign LBJ.
Raps are screwed next year and Bosh is a homo.
Posted on his twitter July 1st - This day has finally come...
They can't do a sign and trade with Miami, Miami doesn't have enough guys on contract to match Bosh's. And lets say they do successfully do a sign and trade with miami, I don't think they would even have 12 guys on the team which is the minimum.

I think Toronto is gonna be worse than the Nets were this season, it'll be fun to watch :rofl:

5hift

07-07-2010, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by gyu

They can't do a sign and trade with Miami, Miami doesn't have enough guys on contract to match Bosh's. And lets say they do successfully do a sign and trade with miami, I don't think they would even have 12 guys on the team which is the minimum.

I'm not sure you know how a sign and trade works. They have been talking of one involving Beasley for a while. The problem is the Raps like the rest of the league dont want Beasley as he`s the next Kwame Brown.

gyu

07-07-2010, 09:45 PM

Don't they just sign Bosh a max contract and trade him to the Heat in return for some players that match the contract's salary?
I'd still do that than let Bosh walk for nothing. Beasley still has a ton of potential, and making him the go to guy might help him flourish.
It's not like Toronto can sign any big FA's in the coming years (at least I don't think so) cause they are tied down with some big long term contracts in Turkoglu, Calderon, Amir, Bargnani...

Jeremiah

07-07-2010, 09:48 PM

I really don't think Bosh nor Wade will take Max Contract.

They are moving together to win a championship and if they both get too much money they won't have fuck all for a supporting cast.

But definitely they will both be getting paid more a year than I'll make in my lifetime :(

machiatai

07-07-2010, 09:52 PM

Lol I wish Lebron would goto the Vancouver Grizzlies.... lol no wait... haha. The Raptors lol. No.... Well hopefully he goes to someone good. Love the NBA.

holden

07-07-2010, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by gyu
Don't they just sign Bosh a max contract and trade him to the Heat in return for some players that match the contract's salary?
I'd still do that than let Bosh walk for nothing. Beasley still has a ton of potential, and making him the go to guy might help him flourish.
It's not like Toronto can sign any big FA's in the coming years (at least I don't think so) cause they are tied down with some big long term contracts in Turkoglu, Calderon, Amir, Bargnani...

If a team is under the cap, then they don't have to match salaries. Toronto could sign Bosh to the max, and then trade him to Miami for draft picks. This would leave Toronto with a large TPE (Traded Player Exception), which is the difference of salaries going out minus coming in. They in turn could use this to trade with a team that is trying to dump salary, like the Hornets. Package a bad contract plus a useful player, like Peja + Darren Collison.

gyu

07-07-2010, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by holden

If a team is under the cap, then they don't have to match salaries. Toronto could sign Bosh to the max, and then trade him to Miami for draft picks. This would leave Toronto with a large TPE (Traded Player Exception), which is the difference of salaries going out minus coming in. They in turn could use this to trade with a team that is trying to dump salary, like the Hornets. Package a bad contract plus a useful player, like Peja + Darren Collison.
Thanks for clearing that up :thumbsup:

bigboom

07-08-2010, 08:47 AM

http://tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=326936

this could get interesting. if this happens everyone might as well pack it up.

Jeremiah

07-08-2010, 09:00 AM

Fucking sick!

Can't wait to see where he decides to play.

They're gonna need to fill some holes though, its not gonna be smooth sailing.

The Heat have how many players right now? 5? LOL..

Bosh isn't going to want to play at centre, so they need a big man in the lanes, and whos gonna handle the rock to these guys?

They need someone who is able to make those show stopping plays and with the amount of money they have left who knows who they'll be able to get

SilverGS

07-08-2010, 09:17 AM

Too bad Nash signed an extension with Pheonix. If he knew this may happen he could go to Miami to feed those 3 the ball.

max_boost

07-08-2010, 09:24 AM

Like I said, saw them play together at the All Star game and it was ridiculous. Please go to Miami. I can see Kobe in LA right now, ahhh shit. LOL :rofl:

bigboom

07-08-2010, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by max_boost
Like I said, saw them play together at the All Star game and it was ridiculous. Please go to Miami. I can see Kobe in LA right now, ahhh shit. LOL :rofl:

as stated they still need someone to handle the rock. although even if they were to pick up somebody like ridnour or farmar that would be all they need. wade and james have better than average passing skills

as for playing center i wonder if they could pick up somebody like jermaine oneal.

max_boost

07-08-2010, 09:29 AM

Ya for sure. Isn't Jermaine playing in MIA right now anyway? I would take the league minimum if I were him. He's not that old but has worn down but getting a bunch of rings and going out as a winner, priceless. Hell even Luc Longely/Bill Wennington/Jud Buechler/Randy Brown have a bunch of rings courtesy of MJ hahahha

bigboom

07-08-2010, 09:42 AM

it'll be interesting if Lebron goes to NY though. He could team up with Amare and maybe even help resurrect TMac a little...should be an awesome season coming up.

Jeremiah

07-08-2010, 09:54 AM

McGrady is a free agent, and he won't want to play a lesser role, because for some odd reason he still thinks hes a go to guy. He'll be injured by the 10th game of the season anyways.

Miami needs to get David Lee :D

Oz-

07-08-2010, 10:07 AM

Good Article on LBJ and his ego needed to be stroked in a 1 hour special on ESPN

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/michael_rosenberg/07/07/lebron/index.html?eref=sihp

But free agency was never a means to an end for James. It was an end unto itself. James, or the people around him, was convinced that he needed the whole world to hang on his future. He needed to let you know on Twitter, that "the Real King James is in the Building." But the real king was Michael Jordan, and he never needed to call himself king. As best as I can remember, Jordan never said he wanted to become a billionaire. He never hinted about getting out of Chicago so he could play with more talent. That's not to say that Jordan did not think of himself as the king -- he most certainly did. And his business aspirations were well-documented.

But Jordan had a different kind of ego. LeBron needs the adoration. Jordan needed to dominate. When Jordan ended his baseball career and returned to the NBA, he did not go on Larry King or feed speculation for months. He put out a two-word press release: "I'm back." He knew that was enough. He knew that what the world really wanted was Jordan on a basketball court, not Jordan in an hour-long TV special.

In so many ways, LeBron James should be a better player than Michael Jordan -- he is two inches taller and 35 pounds heavier, just about as explosive, a better shooter at this age and with better court vision. But if you could somehow suspend the laws of time and space and get the 25-year-old Jordan and the 25-year-old James on the same court, you would have to go with M.J., because he wouldn't worry about pregame theatrics or postgame speculation. He would spend every minute trying to rip James' heart out.

menace3

07-08-2010, 10:08 AM

Lebron should go to chicago,,, with derick rose, carlos boozer, and joakim noah he'll have a chance to win a ring rather than miami with bosh and wade.

bubbley

07-08-2010, 10:10 AM

^^He's giving away all profit from the hour long interview to the boys and girls club :rolleyes:

Looks like he is leaning towards MIAMI :eek:

Oz-

07-08-2010, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by bubbley
^^He's giving away all profit from the hour long interview to the boys and girls club :rolleyes:

Exactly. He is creating more marketing buzz for the Brand of LBJ.

bubbley

07-08-2010, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by Oz-

Exactly. He is creating more marketing buzz for the Brand of LBJ.

He is giving back to the community

5hift

07-08-2010, 10:20 AM

Jermaine O'Neal is close to signing with the Celtics and Haslem has already said he`ll sign with whoever offers the most (which wont be the Heat). So they have no big men really besides Bosh. I was hearing about a trade for Haywood, but I dont get why Dallas would downgrade.

Mario Chalmers is their point guard now, but I dont get why everyone is worried about who will carry the ball up. Look at Fisher, star two guards make average one guards look great.

Also everyone seems to have forgotten about Q-Rich. That guy can rain 3`s and with Wade and Bosh commanding double teams his stats should go up.

sexualbanana

07-08-2010, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by bubbley
^^He's giving away all profit from the hour long interview to the boys and girls club :rolleyes:

Looks like he is leaning towards MIAMI :eek:

Originally posted by Oz-

Exactly. He is creating more marketing buzz for the Brand of LBJ.

Originally posted by bubbley

He is giving back to the community

This is why I think he's staying in Cleveland. How are you going to say that you are going to leave your hometown when you've created this giant media circus while giving it away to a local charity? Otherwise his announcement show (don't kid yourself, it's more of a show than an announcement) is basically going to be a 1-hour fuck you to Cleveland, which I don't think is the case.

bubbley

07-08-2010, 10:25 AM

^^ I don't think its a local charity..it's the Boys and Girls Club of AMERICA

5hift

07-08-2010, 10:31 AM

Kids in high school declaring for certain college program hold live press conferences on ESPN to declare.

I cant believe some of you guys seriously think the future of the NBA holding a press conference that will decide the next 3-4 years of the game is too much.

JordanEG6

07-08-2010, 10:46 AM

I'd rather see him go to NY. If he buckles down and starts taking his career seriously, he can lead a contending team for the EC.

My question is, why sign Amare for $100M, with his knees, to play with no support? NYC hasn't made any moves since this, which leads me to believe they're still gunning for James. Plus if the Parker deal goes down, NY has a guard to move the ball around.

Although, with him going to MIA, they'll sail to ECF, no doubt, but if they win, he'll still be critized for being the #2 guy on the team having a 'ship only because of Bosh and Wade. That's the only thing I don't like.

I was discussing this with a buddy. I wouldn't count the Lakers out with LBJ going to MIA. Given, these 3 are key players for the US team, the Lakers have answers. Kobe > Wade (slasher type with mediocre shooting, same as Lebron). Gasol > Bosh. Artest and Lamar Odom have the size, but IMO, still will have trouble dealing with LBJ. If Bynum is full strength, the Lakers have options. Utilize his size for dealing with Lebron, or take Gasols place, giving Gasol room to do whatever. And who on MIA will contest the boards against LA? Someone needs to compliment Bosh when they crowd the middle.

LA has the size, strength and length for offensive boards and defense with Kobe being Kobe to back everything up with inside and outside shooting.

DelSoln

07-08-2010, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by 5hift
Jermaine O'Neal is close to signing with the Celtics and Haslem has already said he`ll sign with whoever offers the most (which wont be the Heat). So they have no big men really besides Bosh. I was hearing about a trade for Haywood, but I dont get why Dallas would downgrade.

Well there are rumors that Shaq may go to Dallas since he has a good relationship with Cuban and Dirk. I personally would have liked to have seen him in Boston as I feel he is more suited to their offence and not to mention he could cover for Perkin's injury.

sexualbanana

07-08-2010, 11:11 AM

My concern for Lebron in Miami is who's going to be number 2? It's a given that Bosh would be #3, but who wants to be Pippen and who wants to be Jordan?

Imo, Miami is already a contender with Wade-Bosh and adding Lebron doesn't make them anymore of a contender that a max contract should get you. I think given that you already have Wade-Bosh, adding Lebron doesn't give you the kind of returns that a max-contract should.

And when you look at his choices, here's what he faces:
Miami - Basically comes to a team that is basically Wade's team. No matter what he does and what he brings, Miami will be Wade's town and the Heat will be Wade's team. Wade has already brought a title there.

New York - If that's what he wants, then it throws his 'I want to win immediately' position out the window. Though no one can blame him for making the move to what is arguably the biggest market in the League, he's not going to win there, and since he's already been in the NBA for going on 7 years now with no title AND no finals appearance, general perception is that he needs to start winning immediately in order to cement his legacy.

Chicago - The question here is, can he live up to the standards set by Michael Jordan? That's 6 titles that he has to bring home in order to be able to be considered in the same breath as him. For that to happen, he'd have to win the title in every year of his new contract in an Eastern Conference that is stacked with powerhouse teams. If he were to move, this is the likely spot. But the question of legacy and impact is going to be a giant weight on his shoulders. With Wade-Bosh in Miami, Howard-Carter-Nelson in Orlando, Garnett-Pierce-Allen-Rondo in Boston, moving to Chicago probably provides the best chance of winning, but doesn't do much if he's concerned about his legacy and his place among the NBA's all-time greats.

Cleveland - I think I've been pretty clear that I think Lebron is staying here. If King James wanted to stay King James, then Cleveland is the place to be because he's the hometown savior. The team hasn't been terrible and if it weren't for some terrible performances on his part in the Eastern Semis, he might've made it to the Finals. In a city that has seen (and still seeing) some hard times falling on is sports teams, all Lebron needs is 1 championship before he will be truly crowned The King. The question is; can he win in Cleveland? I think so. It's not like the Cavaliers have been terrible, they have improved every season with Lebron. Now there is a rumor that if he stays in Cleveland, Paul may want to join him there. But I think their biggest issue is addressing a backcourt that's just too small. I like West, Williams, and Gibson but you can't play them all at the same time as Mike Brown did. Byron Scott is likely to change that, and I'm interested to see what his approach will be with Lebron (assuming I'm correct :D )

Like the SI article says, and I agreed with this a long time ago, Lebron's not stupid and knows that "My main concern is winning" is the right thing to say, but this is a guy who's doing an hour-long program on national primetime television just to announce where he's going to sign. You don't do that unless you're intentionally trying to create your own hype/legacy/fame/infamy.

menace3

07-08-2010, 11:17 AM

James, Wade, Bosh will not workout in Miami option 1? All of them..
only works in olympics

5hift

07-08-2010, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by JordanEG6
I wouldn't count the Lakers out with LBJ going to MIA. Given, these 3 are key players for the US team, the Lakers have answers. Kobe > Wade (slasher type with mediocre shooting, same as Lebron). Gasol > Bosh. Artest and Lamar Odom have the size, but IMO, still will have trouble dealing with LBJ. If Bynum is full strength, the Lakers have options. Utilize his size for dealing with Lebron, or take Gasols place, giving Gasol room to do whatever. And who on MIA will contest the boards against LA? Someone needs to compliment Bosh when they crowd the middle.

LA has the size, strength and length for offensive boards and defense with Kobe being Kobe to back everything up with inside and outside shooting.

Lol obvious Lake Show fan ...

The fact that you think Wade is a mediocre shooter is surprising considering he won a championship off his clutch shot.

It took the Lakers 7 games to finish off the big three of old Pierce, streaky Ray Allen, and washed up Garnet. LBJ, Wade, Bosh, and you think they'd have a chance.

Gasol is overrated. Garnet in his prime made him his bitch, we all saw that a few years ago when the Celts won. He was playing with one wrecked knee this whole season. I cant believe you think Gasol is better than Bosh

And Bynum is NEVER full strength. Dude is a walking injury.

Another thing no one is considering is if LBJ signs with the Heat, big men and point guards will be lining up to play in Miami for the veterans minimum.

5hift

07-08-2010, 11:35 AM

The Heat have reportedly offered Mike Miller a five-year deal worth between $27 and $30 million, with a deadline of tonight to accept the deal.

It's interesting that the Heat are making offers with LeBron still seemingly up in the air, but getting Miller would immediately add a strong fourth piece if the Heat end up with LeBron, Wade and Bosh. Jul. 8 - 1:26 pm et

So they might have a quality shooter too now.

5hift

07-08-2010, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by gyu

It's not like Toronto can sign any big FA's in the coming years (at least I don't think so) cause they are tied down with some big long term contracts in Turkoglu, Calderon, Amir, Bargnani...

Turkoglu is demanding out of Toronto, and they are trying to trade Calderon.

But dont worry after overpaying for Amir, they just overpaid for Linas Kleiza as the Raps him signed a four-year, $18.8 million despite he failed as a NBAer and has been playing in Greece for the past few years.

JordanEG6

07-08-2010, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by sexualbanana
*snip*

While all points are valid, here's my take on it.

MIA - Wade's team, yes. Bron knows this. He's an unselfish player with all around 2-way skills and passing far better than Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan. He can be a key player on the team and WILL most likely concede as being #2. Plus 3 big players that took part in Bejing 08's gold run can have em sail through EC.

NYK - MJ took 6 years for a title. Even when Cartwright, Armstrong, Grant and Pippen were signed, it took them 3 years to win 1. If NYC can rebuild their shitty team from the ground up starting with James, they can win. You sign Amare for $100M, with injury prone legs, and you expect him to play alone? Parker was also in talks of signing in NYC, he can be the guard to move the ball around. Sign someone like Raja Bell? re-sign Harrington? Some supporters to add some backbone. Maybe the win-immediately wouldn't be his choice. If it were, he's off to MIA, even at that, they'll STILL have trouble with LA.

Chi - Another good choice for Bron. But, he'll never fill the shoes of MJ. Everyone knows that. But if you can win even one title, you can shut the critics up. In fact, this whole MJ vs Bron scenario is valid. MJs inside game and shooting are far better than James. But James can pass far better than MJ and Kobe (this coming from an MJ and Kobe fan), in terms of atheleticism, he trumps them both. Plus he's bigger and stronger than MJ and Kobe. With Rose and Noah, they can win a ship. It puts pressure on him greatly, but really, you're not going to replace MJ's statue in front of the United Center, so don't even try to fill those shoes.

Cleveland - 8 years and no rings. Leave. Garnett said it best, loosly "loyalty can only get you so far". You leave the wolves for a championship contending team, and he got one.

bubbley

07-08-2010, 11:57 AM

wow im going to see if raps will sign me...lol they just handing out money

Both O'neals need to retire

sexualbanana

07-08-2010, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by JordanEG6

While all points are valid, here's my take on it.

MIA - Wade's team, yes. Bron knows this. He's an unselfish player with all around 2-way skills and passing far better than Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan. He can be a key player on the team and WILL most likely concede as being #2. Plus 3 big players that took part in Bejing 08's gold run can have em sail through EC.

NYK - MJ took 6 years for a title. Even when Cartwright, Armstrong, Grant and Pippen were signed, it took them 3 years to win 1. If NYC can rebuild their shitty team from the ground up starting with James, they can win. You sign Amare for $100M, with injury prone legs, and you expect him to play alone? Parker was also in talks of signing in NYC, he can be the guard to move the ball around. Sign someone like Raja Bell? re-sign Harrington? Some supporters to add some backbone. Maybe the win-immediately wouldn't be his choice. If it were, he's off to MIA, even at that, they'll STILL have trouble with LA.

Chi - Another good choice for Bron. But, he'll never fill the shoes of MJ. Everyone knows that. But if you can win even one title, you can shut the critics up. In fact, this whole MJ vs Bron scenario is valid. MJs inside game and shooting are far better than James. But James can pass far better than MJ and Kobe (this coming from an MJ and Kobe fan), in terms of atheleticism, he trumps them both. Plus he's bigger and stronger than MJ and Kobe. With Rose and Noah, they can win a ship. It puts pressure on him greatly, but really, you're not going to replace MJ's statue in front of the United Center, so don't even try to fill those shoes.

Cleveland - 8 years and no rings. Leave. Garnett said it best, loosly "loyalty can only get you so far". You leave the wolves for a championship contending team, and he got one.

Comparisons to Beijing 08, I think, are only valid up until you compare 10 days vs. 82 games. I think it's too hard to keep them all happy over the course of an entire season and playoffs. I think someone is going to upset about not getting enough touches on offense. And don't kid yourself, anyone who creates an hour-long program to announce where he's going as a free agent is not someone who will want to be #2 on a team.

Chicago is a city that has had great sporting success, and just recently had one with the Blackhawks. Just like in Boston (with the Patriots and the Celtics), anything short of a championship will be deemed a failure. Even if it takes a couple years to get it, I think Bulls fans will believe that it never met their expectations. Comparisons between Lebron and MJ are inevitable, but if he were to go to Chicago and play in MJ's shadow in the house that MJ built, the comparisons we see now will pale in comparison what we'll see if he were to go to Chicago. Plus, no one is denying that Lebron is physically the better player.

Garnett never played in his hometown and the Timberwolves were never really considered a contender for the Championship despite having a couple respectable years. Cleveland has been on that cusp for a couple seasons now, but just can't seem to get over the hump. Maybe Byron Scott will change that. Maybe Lebron will change something in his game. Maybe the GM will bring in the right complimentary player. But I think Cleveland is the place that provides him with the best chance of winning, without his public perception taking a major hit.

Jeremiah

07-08-2010, 12:18 PM

I like all the speculation its making following this much more enjoyable

sexualbanana

07-08-2010, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by 5hift
The Heat have reportedly offered Mike Miller a five-year deal worth between $27 and $30 million, with a deadline of tonight to accept the deal.

It's interesting that the Heat are making offers with LeBron still seemingly up in the air, but getting Miller would immediately add a strong fourth piece if the Heat end up with LeBron, Wade and Bosh. Jul. 8 - 1:26 pm et

So they might have a quality shooter too now.

Mike Miller in Miami would be a great fit

Oz-

07-08-2010, 12:36 PM

ESPN tries to balance reporting, business with LeBron special

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/richard_deitsch/07/08/lebron.espn/index.html?eref=sihp

James's representatives brought the idea of a primetime special to ESPN late last week, with Maverick Carter, James' business manager, serving as the point person. ESPN agreed to cede control over its ads to James's marketing company, LRMR Marketing, who sold the roughly 10 minutes of national airtime. The show is being sponsored by The University of Phoenix and Microsoft's Bing, as well as Vitaminwater and McDonald's. Their contributions will go in support of the Boys & Girls Clubs of America. Nike and Sprite will also make donations. ESPN will handle all aspects of the production including a studio setup in Bristol and a live interview with The Decider himself at the Boys and Girls Club in Greenwich, Conn.

gyu

07-08-2010, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by 5hift

Turkoglu is demanding out of Toronto, and they are trying to trade Calderon.

But dont worry after overpaying for Amir, they just overpaid for Linas Kleiza as the Raps him signed a four-year, $18.8 million despite he failed as a NBAer and has been playing in Greece for the past few years.
Turkoglu will never get out on that contract :rofl: but if Brian Colangelo manages to trade him I'd give him GM of the year ASAP.
Colangelo sucks, he doesn't know what he's doing. Maybe it's cause nobody wants to play in Toronto that's why he keeps bringing in and overpaying Euro players

JordanEG6

07-08-2010, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by 5hift

Lol obvious Lake Show fan ...

The fact that you think Wade is a mediocre shooter is surprising considering he won a championship off his clutch shot.

It took the Lakers 7 games to finish off the big three of old Pierce, streaky Ray Allen, and washed up Garnet. LBJ, Wade, Bosh, and you think they'd have a chance.

Gasol is overrated. Garnet in his prime made him his bitch, we all saw that a few years ago when the Celts won. He was playing with one wrecked knee this whole season. I cant believe you think Gasol is better than Bosh

And Bynum is NEVER full strength. Dude is a walking injury.

Another thing no one is considering is if LBJ signs with the Heat, big men and point guards will be lining up to play in Miami for the veterans minimum.

Umm yeah, both him AND Lebron are below average in midrange shooting. Wade's improved though and I'm not saying he sucks.

Bosh can score, but IMO, Gasol is better at the post and probably better on defense. Bosh won't block shots or grab 10 boards a night. On top of that, Gasol trumps Bosh in game experience, Gasol has played in so many big games and has come up big so many times. Bosh has never played in a Game 7 or even second round playoffs. Bosh is another player that needs a headliner, just like Gasol does.

Bynum is on/off. But when he's on, he shows up to play. He wasn't 100% this season either, they still managed a title.

But it's true about the potential NEW Big 3. Took the Lakers 7 games to beat Boston, the new Big 3 would have a chance. Let's not forget also, Rondo is probably one of the best PG in the league. Peice is old, and I hate him, but he shows up to play. KG gets rebounds.

5hift

07-08-2010, 01:33 PM

what the fuck is going on .....

Chris Paul has left Octagon and will now be represented by LeBron James' LRMR marketing company.
LRMR has yet to make a formal announcement that Paul will be joining them, but that news will likely hit during tonight's televised extravaganza. "He’s left Octagon," Paul’s agent Jeff Austin said. "We’re proud of the work we did with him over the past five years. We wish him nothing but the best." This could also mean Paul has a better than average chance of being traded to LeBron's team (Miami?) at some point down the road. Jul. 8 - 2:34 pm et

sexualbanana

07-08-2010, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by 5hift
what the fuck is going on .....

Chris Paul has left Octagon and will now be represented by LeBron James' LRMR marketing company.
LRMR has yet to make a formal announcement that Paul will be joining them, but that news will likely hit during tonight's televised extravaganza. "He’s left Octagon," Paul’s agent Jeff Austin said. "We’re proud of the work we did with him over the past five years. We wish him nothing but the best." This could also mean Paul has a better than average chance of being traded to LeBron's team (Miami?) at some point down the road. Jul. 8 - 2:34 pm et

There's an idea floating around that Paul was the reason Lebron got Twitter, and that part of Lebron's announcement today will say that Paul is joining the Cavs in some way shape or form.

max_boost

07-08-2010, 01:43 PM

haha never before has there been such free agent frenzy.

Chris Paul to the Cavs? Very fucking interesting actually hahaha

5hift

07-08-2010, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by JordanEG6

Umm yeah, both him AND Lebron are below average in midrange shooting. Bosh won't block shots or grab 10 boards a night.

Looks like the yellow and purple shades are tinting your vision.

2010 Regular Season stats:

James FG % 50.3
Wade FG % 47.6
Kobe FG % 45.6

Bosh REB/G 10.8

JordanEG6

07-08-2010, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by 5hift
what the fuck is going on .....

Chris Paul has left Octagon and will now be represented by LeBron James' LRMR marketing company.
LRMR has yet to make a formal announcement that Paul will be joining them, but that news will likely hit during tonight's televised extravaganza. "He’s left Octagon," Paul’s agent Jeff Austin said. "We’re proud of the work we did with him over the past five years. We wish him nothing but the best." This could also mean Paul has a better than average chance of being traded to LeBron's team (Miami?) at some point down the road. Jul. 8 - 2:34 pm et

Let's add fuel to the fire, shall we. I'm a HUGE sneakerhead. Upcoming releases and PE's and what they wear speak volumes.

http://www.kixandthecity.com/lebrons-sneakers-hold-the-answer-to-the-decision/

Jeremiah

07-08-2010, 02:01 PM

Haha Imagine Chris Paul at the guard with those 3 guys. Shit would be showtime on NBC every night LULZ

JordanEG6

07-08-2010, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by 5hift

Looks like the yellow and purple shades are tinting your vision.

2010 Regular Season stats:

James FG % 50.3
Wade FG % 47.6
Kobe FG % 45.6

Bosh REB/G 10.8

FG% is all around incl dunks and lay-ups, not from a midrange stand point.

Okay on Bosh, but who else in TO will grab boards? no one. Gasol grabs 11.3/G, you failed to put that on there. This is with Bynum and/or Odom on the floor. Still with Kobe, he averages 18 points a game and has a higher FG%.

sexualbanana

07-08-2010, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by 5hift

Looks like the yellow and purple shades are tinting your vision.

2010 Regular Season stats:

James FG % 50.3
Wade FG % 47.6
Kobe FG % 45.6

Bosh REB/G 10.8

Source: Hoopdata.com (http://www.hoopdata.com/)

09-10 Averages between 10-23 ft.
James 36.1%
Kobe 45.35%
Wade 35%
Bosh 43.45%

5hift

07-08-2010, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by JordanEG6

FG% is all around incl dunks and lay-ups, not from a midrange stand point.
Okay on Bosh, but who else in TO will grab boards? no one. Gasol grabs 11.3/G, you failed to put that on there. This is with Bynum and/or Odom on the floor. Still with Kobe, he averages 18 points a game and has a higher FG%.

I know what FG% is. What’s your point, all 3 players get tons of points in the paint.

I also know what FG3% is:
Dwyane Wade - 40.5
Lebron James - 40.0
Kobe Bryant - 37.4

So the reasoning you give to Bosh averaging 10 a game after you first said he couldn’t is that TO has no rebounders.

We could say the same for Gasol, where the number 2 on the boards was Odom and Bynum barely averaged more boards per game than Bargnani.

Kobe being on the floor increases both rebound averages and FG percentages for Gasol btw, it doesn’t hurt them (Gasol never averaged even 10 boards a game until coming to LA and getting access to all those shots Kobe jacks.)

And yeah I did fail to put that Gasol averaged 0.4 rebounds per game more than Bosh in 2010. I also failed to post Bosh averaged 5.7 more points per game.

Manhattan

07-08-2010, 02:43 PM

Gasol has a more complete offensive package, better passer, and a proven champion (NBA and internationally).

Bosh is more explosive, shoots the 3, and a few years younger.

Both are great players but I think if you asked Lakers to trade Gasol for Bosh straight up, they wouldn't do it. How well a player fits into a team is important and I'm not sure Dwade + Bosh + LBJ can complement each other in MIA.

JordanEG6

07-08-2010, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by 5hift

I know what FG% is. What’s your point, all 3 players get tons of points in the paint.

I also know what FG3% is:
Dwyane Wade - 40.5
Lebron James - 40.0
Kobe Bryant - 37.4

So the reasoning you give to Bosh averaging 10 a game after you first said he couldn’t is that TO has no rebounders.

We could say the same for Gasol, where the number 2 on the boards was Odom and Bynum barely averaged more boards per game than Bargnani.

Kobe being on the floor increases both rebound averages and FG percentages for Gasol btw, it doesn’t hurt them (Gasol never averaged even 10 boards a game until coming to LA and getting access to all those shots Kobe jacks.)

And yeah I did fail to put that Gasol averaged 0.4 rebounds per game more than Bosh in 2010. I also failed to post Bosh averaged 5.7 more points per game.

My point was midrange shooting.

As for Gasol, his stats and ciritical game experience makes him far from overrated.

Bosh is good. I'm a fan. But he's on the same grounds as likes of Gasol and Stat. As far as the better player, both have their pros and cons, but when the ships on the line, at the end, it's Gasol.