PLEASE HELP. trade problems civic/impreza

[swiftcrx]

on friday i traded my jdm impreza for a 94 civic hatch(AA2001)

we each test drove the other persons vehicle and everything was fine. took the impreza to AA2001s mechanic of choice and everything seemed fine. now on the day of the trade we met up, switched cars and we both went on with our day. half hour later AA2001 calls me and tells me the car went into limp mode and gave off the codes for the vehicle speed sensor and the ISC Valve. My intentions were never to sell someone a messed up car. there were no codes stored when i had it. i had replaced the knock sensor a few months ago and there was no codes once that was replaced. we are both in some money problems and dont know how to resolve this. we are both reasonable guys, AA2001 is probably the nicest guy ive dealt with off beyond and i never intended this to happen to him. we both want to figure out a way to fix this, what should we do?
please give your opinions.
thanks.

[Pollywog]

Assuming you knew nothing of the issues before the trade, I would think that AA2001 is on his own. Good on ya if you help with the repairs, but this is one of those "as-is" situations imo. Its a shame, but it happens.

[That.Guy.S30]

^ baahah your avator is the shit. i wonder what big boss has to say about that

[Pollywog]

Originally posted by Thi_Thi Subs
i wonder what big boss has to say about that

Lol, he knows its temporary.

[abcd.24]

i think the guy should just replace the sensors and fix it himself since he took it with no problems and his mechanic approved so he must of did it on his own by accident.

:drama: :burnout:

ps- it looks like AA2001 got the better side of the deal going from a honda to a subaru despite the problems. replace the sensors and it will be worth more.:clap:

[ringmaster]

I sold an old 190e to a guy who blew the head gasket within 5 minutes of driving away. We agreed that it was a shitty deal for both of us but seeing as how he didn't pay much for the car, I gave him his money back.
I ended up selling the car a week later, not running, for more than I originally was asking! If you are both fair and reasonable, things will work out. Maybe offer to help with diagnosis and he pays for parts?

[drtoohotty1]

Originally posted by Thi_Thi Subs
^ baahah your avator is the shit. i wonder what big boss has to say about that

+1 :rofl:

[AA2001]

Hey guys,

So I have the Subaru now and have been trying to diagnose this problem since i got the car. Swiftcrx has been nice about everything too.

When I picked up the car, I drove it 3 km's and the car went into limp mode right away. I took it home and started to figure out what was going on with it. I ended up getting 2 codes. Code 24 (IAC) and cod 33 (Speed sensor 2).

2 days of working on the car and trying to figure out where the problem is and i couldn't find anything. I took the IAC off and cleaned the whole thing and cleaned the wiring harness and put it all back together and it's still in limp mode.

What do you guys think would be a fair compromise for us?

[blackpeople]

technically he doesnt have to help you at all but seeing as you guys are going to be great friends now.

go to the dealer and order a a new iat and speed sensor and split the bill down the middle

[AA2001]

Originally posted by blackpeople
technically he doesnt have to help you at all but seeing as you guys are going to be great friends now.

go to the dealer and order a a new iat and speed sensor and split the bill down the middle

Yea I know he doesn't have to help me at all, but we're both 2 reasonable guys who just seemed to have issues at the same time. swiftcrx has been totally cool about everything too.

Thing is we don't know if that's the issue. I've read that it can something as small as an incorrect voltage being sent back to the ecu from a faulty wire.

I'm gonna find a subaru "specialist" to see if he can see what the problem is.

[dc5fd]

AA2001 is a really nice guy iv delt with him a few times actually. hopefully everything gets resolved here, Legally there isnt much he can do. It comes down to the individuals themselves to reach an agreement hopefully benefiting the both of you, Assuming you are being honest about the cars previous condition and such.. Always remember What goes around comes around in some weird shape or form.

Goodluck

[thegooddie]

Originally posted by blackpeople
technically he doesnt have to help you at all but seeing as you guys are going to be great friends now.

go to the dealer and order a a new iat and speed sensor and split the bill down the middle

+1

You both seem like you're trying to be as fair as possible. Seeing as how you're both having financial problems I think a split down the middle for the cost to fix the problem is the way to go as well.

[Cos]

Is the civic mint with no problems? If so then it seems that helping out is a good option. If the civic needs a bit of work (tires, maintenance, whatever) then it seems like you both will have to work on your new cars.

[AA2001]

Originally posted by Cos
Is the civic mint with no problems? If so then it seems that helping out is a good option. If the civic needs a bit of work (tires, maintenance, whatever) then it seems like you both will have to work on your new cars.

hahaha very well stated.

The Civic was in great mechanical shape. The only problem the civic had was an O2 sensor that needed to be replaced. I had problems with the civic when i had it, but i had fixed everything. The body did have the honda rust and the bumper wasn't the same color, but the body was similar on both cars.

[Kloubek]

Well, body is something you can see so really doesn't have much bearing in the situation. We're talking mechanicals.

When a car is traded or sold, it is 100% the new owner's responsibility. Case closed.

If the OP decides to split the cost to fix the issue down the middle, that (imo) is over and above what he really legally or even morally should have to do. (Provided, of course, he did not know this was a regular issue with the car. That can make a moral difference.)

Maybe what might be fair is to take the cost of this repair, minus the cost for a new 02 sensor, then split the remaining amount in half.

Either way, I think you guys will work it out. These days, I almost expect people to come onto Beyond with another "I got scammed!" thread in situations like these. lol. Refreshing to see two people acting like adults.

[jdmsource]

was this a straight trade or trade civic plus cash for wrx?

[swiftcrx]

600 on top plus 200 to be paid by the end of august because he had problems to deal with not related to the trade.

[AA2001]

Originally posted by Kloubek
Well, body is something you can see so really doesn't have much bearing in the situation. We're talking mechanicals.

When a car is traded or sold, it is 100% the new owner's responsibility. Case closed.

If the OP decides to split the cost to fix the issue down the middle, that (imo) is over and above what he really legally or even morally should have to do. (Provided, of course, he did not know this was a regular issue with the car. That can make a moral difference.)

Maybe what might be fair is to take the cost of this repair, minus the cost for a new 02 sensor, then split the remaining amount in half.

Either way, I think you guys will work it out. These days, I almost expect people to come onto Beyond with another "I got scammed!" thread in situations like these. lol. Refreshing to see two people acting like adults.

I do understand that swiftcrx doesn't have to help me out at all with the car, but we're both adults who understand that what happened was unfortunate and that we're gonna deal with it in an adult manner.

It's also very good to hear that beyond understands what has happened and they aren't being douches about it. Thanks for everyone's input.

[AA2001]

Just want to set the record straight.

swiftcrx had sold me a car with a known issue.

He posted on WSC that his car was going into limp mode and he didn't know what to do to fix it.

http://www.westernsubaruclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=14354.msg205459#msg205459

[RecoilS14]

ouch thats not cool.

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by AA2001
Just want to set the record straight.

swiftcrx had sold me a car with a known issue.

He posted on WSC that his car was going into limp mode and he didn't know what to do to fix it.

http://www.westernsubaruclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=14354.msg205459#msg205459



Originally posted by RecoilS14
ouch thats not cool.


That's not cool, he played you AA2001

:thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow

AA2001: How do you know swiftcrx (Beyond) is B_MACD (WSC)

[Kloubek]

Woah. Assuming these are two of the same, that's about as uncool as it gets.

Vote for ban, if that is the case...

[sillysod]

Take it to Alberta Auto Electric and get Sam to look at it. He is a wizard with vehicle electrics and should point you in the right direction.

That being said I wouldn't worry about the last $200.00 you owed him

[rojhero]

Originally posted by AA2001
Just want to set the record straight.

swiftcrx had sold me a car with a known issue.

He posted on WSC that his car was going into limp mode and he didn't know what to do to fix it.

http://www.westernsubaruclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=14354.msg205459#msg205459

Before the lynching mob sets off, isn't that what he said in the first post? He knew of a problem that was throwing codes and he felt that it was fixed? It seems like after he replaced the knock sensor as mentioned on WSC, the problems went away until the car was purchased by AA2001.


Originally posted by swiftcrx
My intentions were never to sell someone a messed up car. there were no codes stored when i had it. i had replaced the knock sensor a few months ago and there was no codes once that was replaced.

I don't know either individuals, but it seems to me like swiftcrx is being quite honest? Am I missing something?

[AA2001]

Originally posted by TomcoPDR

That's not cool, he played you AA2001

:thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow

AA2001: How do you know swiftcrx (Beyond) is B_MACD (WSC)

His WSC name is his fist and last name shortened. He lives in airdrie (states that he's looking for an ECU scanner in airdrie).


Originally posted by sillysod
Take it to Alberta Auto Electric and get Sam to look at it. He is a wizard with vehicle electrics and should point you in the right direction.

That being said I wouldn't worry about the last $200.00 you owed him

I already fixed the limp mode issue. It took a few months but i figure out that it was just the spedo cable. Thanks for the suggestion though.


Originally posted by rojhero


Before the lynching mob sets off, isn't that what he said in the first post? He knew of a problem that was throwing codes and he felt that it was fixed? It seems like after he replaced the knock sensor as mentioned on WSC, the problems went away until the car was purchased by AA2001.



I don't know either individuals, but it seems to me like swiftcrx is being quite honest? Am I missing something?

When the car went into limp mode as soon as i left his house, he had told me that this had never happened to him. He did tell me that the knock sensor was replaced but he always told me that it wasn't an issue with limp mode.


At the end of the day, I got a car that needed a little TLC to get running superb. Since then i've gotten the limp mode fixed, the thermostat replaced and I had re wired the entire interior of the driver seat and engine bay.

This is what it used to look like inside the car.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t96/jdmsource1/IMG_5389.jpg

This is what it was after i re did the whole thing.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs908.ash1/181662_10150402765865029_549110028_17189821_123240_n.jpg

I was super pissed when i found out that this had happened but i know not to trust swiftcrx with another purchase (if it were to ever come to another) but i'm super happy with my results of the car now.

[swiftcrx]

the thread on wsc was when i was first getting codes. i replaced the knock sensor and the codes went away. no more problems. i never updated saying i fixed it so it may have looked like the problem never got fixed. i had said that i replaced the knock sensor and didnt have any problems. when he called after leaving my house saying it went into limp mode i said it happened to me before then thats when i replaced the knock sensor and it went away. i feel like i was being pretty honest and in the end thought AA2001 was getting a pretty good deal trading a d15 civic with rust with a vacuum leak and an 02 sensor needing replaced, for an impreza that had some body issues also but seemed to run fine when i drove it, plus 600 cash. i thought this thread was long done with but i dont think anyone is to blame just unlucky on both ends.


Originally posted by sillysod
Take it to Alberta Auto Electric and get Sam to look at it. He is a wizard with vehicle electrics and should point you in the right direction.

That being said I wouldn't worry about the last $200.00 you owed him
and this was taken care of long ago, i told him he didnt need to pay me the 200.

[MrSector9]

So then what was causing the car to go into limp mode? As much as I love a good case of the drama I am much more interested in what was wrong with the car.

[swiftcrx]

with me it was the knock sensor, no codes after that was replaced. and for AA2001 it sounds like it was the speedo cable?

[swiftcrx]

it sounds like you think limp mode is a problem of its own. it goes into limp mode cause something is not right with the engine. in my case it went into limp mode cause there was something wrong with the knock sensor. when that was replaced there was no more codes and would then no longer be in limp mode. when i sold the car there was no codes stored. when he drove it home something must have happened and went into limp mode, giving codes that were not there when i sold it.