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kertejud2
08-22-2010, 12:10 PM
A rather good editorial piece I'd say

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/08/17/a-know-nothing-strain-of-conservatism/


It’s highly unusual to see such divergence. Pollsters will tell you the “right track” question is generally a very good predictor of party preferences. Yet here the Tories are, with more than half the public happy with the country’s direction, bumping along at 30 per cent or less in the polls. Clearly, it’s the way they govern, rather than the results—their tail-gunner style of politics, notably—that is the issue.


I think my colleague John Geddes came closest in his piece last week. It isn’t just that the Tories habitually ignore the expert consensus on a wide range of issues—crime, taxes, climate change—it’s that they want to be seen to be ignoring it. It’s the overt antagonism to experts, and by extension the educated classes, that marks the Tory style. In its own way, it’s a form of class war.

You can see it in the sneering references to Michael Ignatieff’s Harvard tenure, in the repeated denunciations of “elites” and “intellectuals.” In the partial dismantling of the census, we reach the final stage: not just hostile to experts, but to knowledge.


But there’s something different going on here. The intellectuals that conservatives generally rail against are those they disagree with. But the Harper Conservatives are just as hostile to the interventions of experts on what one might suppose to be their own side. The decision to cut the GST, rather than income taxes, was made in defiance not of radical economists, but of the orthodox free-market variety. Having jettisoned principle for expediency, the Tories came to regard the “purist” in their own ranks with every bit as much disdain as any lefty egghead—more, actually.

The result is a uniquely nasty, know-nothing strain of conservatism. The Thatcher Tories, unlike their forebears, weren’t anti-intellectual: her cabinet contained some of Britain’s most fertile social and political minds. Ronald Reagan, though hardly an intellectual, did not demonize expert opinion, or pit the educated classes against the rest. Even today’s Republican party, as know-nothing as it sometimes appears, relies heavily on a network of think tanks to provide it with intellectual heft. Only in Canada have expertise and ideas been so brutally cast aside. On the level of principle, this is appalling. A society that holds education and expertise in contempt, no less than one that disdains commerce or entrepreneurship, is dying. To whip up popular hostility to intellectuals is to invite the public to jump on its own funeral pyre.


Where, then, does this leave the Tories? Without convictions, to be sure, but also without a strategy: neither principled nor expedient. And the Prime Minister? Consider how his image has changed over the years. Once he was viewed as rigid, but upright; doctrinaire, but with a certain integrity. Over time that gave way to a more Machiavellian cast. Perhaps it was true, it was said, that he would do anything and say anything to hold onto power, but you had to admire his cunning.

But now? After so many miscues, unforced errors, too-clever tricks and utter botch-ups, does anyone still cling to the “strategic genius” view of Stephen Harper?

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/08/17/a-know-nothing-strain-of-conservatism/


So, thoughts? Dead on, way off, somewhere in between? Does it even concern you? The anti-intellectual angle might be overblown, but it could definitely raise some eyebrows, especially when it came to something like the GST cut (when the only economists saying it was a smart move were looking for jobs with the CPC). And because the story is on the same page, the pressure put on the RCMP not to go through with a press conference with Insite on the benefits of safe-injection sites.

From what I remember Coyne is something of a red Tory so while he isn't a Liberal supporter, he's definitely not a Harper supporter either (or the old Refooooooorm crowd in general really).

Freeskier
08-22-2010, 01:12 PM
Interesting read, and I feel it echoes my feelings about it. I personally feel a rising feeling of despondency with both the tory federal gov. and the liberal provincial gov here in bc. Just tired of all the bullshit lol.

kertejud2
08-22-2010, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Freeskier
Interesting read, and I feel it echoes my feelings about it. I personally feel a rising feeling of despondency with both the tory federal gov. and the liberal provincial gov here in bc. Just tired of all the bullshit lol.

The only real telling sign is that unlike the past several summers, the CPC hasn't gained in the polls which they usually do (people seem to like the government more when its literally not doing anything). Of course the other parties aren't gaining, but the fact that the Tories haven't had their annual jump in approval is telling.

Abeo
08-22-2010, 09:52 PM
I can't say that I'm super happy with Harper, but I can't believe the character assassination that people are trying to do with him, I don't think it was ever this bad with Chretien. As far as anti-education... well, 2 things about that
-most everyone in office has a bunch of education (including Harper, and his masters in econ), and
-lifelong academics tend to get a skewed perception of how the world is... they see it as how it should be, and surround themselves with people that agree with them (like we all do)

broken_legs
08-22-2010, 11:59 PM
I think this is all fluff.

There are obviously true observations like how the conservatives are railing against the "intellectuals" and the "elites"


But in my mind they aren't railing against knowledge, theya re railing against those who would presume to know whats best for Canadians and force their own views on everyone else - as is the typical socialist liberal mantra. TO me they are simply playing politics - exactly like the liberals always appeal to the bleeding hearts and play of westerners a dumb rednecks (kind of like what this article is trying to do to the conservatives). To say they are "know-nothing" is just pure propaganda.



One more comment - On the GST:
Austiran economics (the only school that actually predicts real events in economies and that actually makes sense) teaches us that people can spend their money better than the government. Taxing people and taking away money from the economy to be allocated by an inefficient government is BAD for the economy.

I'm sure this article will further entrench the beliefs of the far left and validate the way they feel. I doubt it will raise any eyebrows to the unbiased observer.

freshprince1
08-23-2010, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by broken_legs
typical socialist liberal mantra


QFT. Didn't want to take up room and just say the exact same thing. Well put BrokenLegs.

CUG
08-23-2010, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by Abeo
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-lifelong academics tend to get a skewed perception of how the world is... they see it as how it should be, and surround themselves with people that agree with them (like we all do) This is 110% true. People work hard to make themselves right, even when reality won't accommodate them. Good post duder.

HiTempguy1
08-23-2010, 10:11 AM
Its sort of like using traffic lights to control speeds. It SEEMS like a good idea, but in reality it just slows everybody down and pisses them off.

Same with a lot of government, the intentions/ideas might be good (and "studies" may prove somebody's findings to be "right") but in reality certain things just work.

Until things go wrong, I see no reason to blame the Conservatives. If they start stealing money from us like the Liberals did, I'll be more than happy to kick them out of office.

kertejud2
08-23-2010, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by broken_legs
I think this is all fluff.

There are obviously true observations like how the conservatives are railing against the "intellectuals" and the "elites"


But in my mind they aren't railing against knowledge, theya re railing against those who would presume to know whats best for Canadians and force their own views on everyone else - as is the typical socialist liberal mantra. TO me they are simply playing politics - exactly like the liberals always appeal to the bleeding hearts and play of westerners a dumb rednecks (kind of like what this article is trying to do to the conservatives). To say they are "know-nothing" is just pure propaganda.


Playing politics indeed, by avoiding reason, logic (and even results) for the sake of ideology (i.e. Preventing the RCMP from giving a positive assesment to a safe-injection clinic because of your parties stance on drugs; ignoring those on both sides who use census data to determine trends both social and economic in order to appeal to a more libertarian crowd; tossing aside advice on ideal tax cuts in order to fulfil a campaign promise etc.) These aren't just them ignoring the "bleeding heart liberals". They are ignoring the Fraser Institute, the RCMP (who benefit the most from a well funded 'tough on drugs stance) and even the private sector. People who are on their side. What you call the "typical socialist liberal mantra" (and then very ironically allude to propaganda) is railing against even the most conservative think tanks and advisors that the CPC has been casting aside because their proposals are getting in the way of the party's goals. THAT is being anti-intellectual, not 'tough on elites'.


One more comment - On the GST:
Austiran economics (the only school that actually predicts real events in economies and that actually makes sense) teaches us that people can spend their money better than the government. Taxing people and taking away money from the economy to be allocated by an inefficient government is BAD for the economy.

You could have just said "I have no fucking clue why even conservative economists were against the GST cut". Yes cutting taxes puts money in peoples pockets, but did cutting the GST actually save Canadians money? No. The difference in cost was immediately offset through inflation and the loss of GST revenue to the federal government increases the interest costs on the national debt (meaning more tax dollars will be needed to pay for it in the long run).

Most economists (like ones from the notoriously socialist and pro-Liberal Fraser Institute) agreed that a larger income tax cut would be better for the consumer as well as the government as the GST is a far more efficient tax and thus better for both parties. Really the only thing good to come out of the 5% GST is that its helped to fast track HST across Canada (and harmonizing taxes is about as popular as introducing new taxes).

Abeo
08-23-2010, 01:30 PM
Did you really just call the Fraser institute pro-liberal?

kertejud2
08-23-2010, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Abeo
Did you really just call the Fraser institute pro-liberal?

[/sarcasm]

Xtrema
08-23-2010, 02:07 PM
Meh. Nobody was able to get anything done since the 90s. Government is all about taking the other guys down VS helping the people.