2010 F150 or 2011 F150 [Archive] - Beyond.ca - Car Forums

benyl

09-10-2010, 09:50 AM

So I have this dilemma.

2010s are starting to disappear.
There is a $3000 Recycle your ride program that expires on Sept 30th.
There is a $5894 Employee pricing program that expires on Sept 30th.
There is a $5250 Delivery allowance that may or may not expire.
There is a $1500 Cash incentive to use Ford credit that expires on Sept 30th.
There is a $1000 Costco program that expires on Sept 30th.

This all adds up to a $16644 discount.

2011s have a $1750 Delivery allowance.
2011s can't be ordered yet and may or may not be ordereable by Sept 30th to take advantage of the above offers.
2011s are likely to go up in Price.

I want an Ecoboost. Why? Turbos work better in Calgary due to the altitude. Tuning them is also usually easy.

I don't need the truck until March 2011ish so the timing would work if I could order it before the end of Sept.

If I can't, which is likely as I am guessing that Ford is waiting on releasing pricing until after the programs expire, do I buy a 2010?

I know I will regret getting something older, but I can't get over the discounts either... haha. I am a cheap half asian.

I am guessing the resale on the 2011s will be much better than the 2010s relatively speaking due to the new V8s and V6s. Besides being a year newer, I think that the 5.0 will hold value better than the 5.4.

So, I know the delivery allowance is likely to increase later in the year 2011. I am also guessing that the Costco program is likely to return. Employee pricing could return, but that would be in July of 2011 which is quite far away... I have no idea if the RYR program will stick around.

Opinions? haha

ercchry

09-10-2010, 09:55 AM

well if you want to do the RYR program i will give you $3000 for your C63 ;)

kaput

09-10-2010, 09:57 AM

benyl

09-10-2010, 10:05 AM

My brother has a 1999 f150 on its last legs. Ford said I just have to put him on the purchase agreement to get the credit.

http://www.fordclassic.ca/ryr/en/

I get $3000. He gets $1500 of it which is better than the $50 he would get from the kidney foundation. Win-win.

Ecoboosts are late availability. So they probably won't be hitting dealer lots until March.

BerserkerCatSplat

09-10-2010, 10:24 AM

It certainly sounds like the 2011 is the right truck for you. I know I'd wait for the new ones if it fit the budget, discounts or otherwise.

09-10-2010, 10:25 AM

What would a guy with a MBA do with a truck? lol

ercchry

09-10-2010, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by G
What would a guy with a MBA do with a truck? lol

fit in with the rest of the oil execs downtown? :dunno:

but screw the F150... get a raptor!

benyl

09-10-2010, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by ercchry

but screw the F150... get a raptor!

Same issue.

2011 Raptors come with the 6.2 standard now. But you still can't order them yet.

The Ecoboost can tow more than the 6.2 in stock form. New set of turbos, some tuning and you eat 6.2s for breakfast.

I think the Taurus SHO are putting out 450+ horsepower already.

You can always go aftermarket with suspension to make the F150 as good or better than the raptor.

Cos

09-10-2010, 10:45 AM

2011 just because the EcoBoost is gonna be a huge improvement. I think if you buy the 2010 with the 4.6 or 5.4 as great as those engines have been they are dated and you will kick yourself a little bit. Either way you arent going to be disappointed. I love my truck, just IF you can wait, I would wait for the EcoBoost or 5.0L. Im even waiting longer to hopefully get a mid 4L diesel in the next ones (maybe 2013/2014?).

Plus my 5.4 with 4-speed isnt a kyoto friendly vehicle (although I must be honest I am not as disappointed as I thought I was going to be on fuel mileage, I have 35's which are heavy as f*** and I still manage 15 on average (my fuelly includes some offroading and towing)). My lancer used to cost around 140/160 a month in gas, my truck is around 200. So really 40/60 a month is pretty cheap considering my payment is 1/2 what the Audi I wanted to get would be.

Also what the hell is the costco program?

benyl

09-10-2010, 10:47 AM

haha, I am not worried about gas mileage...

Costco: http://www.fordclassic.ca/fordcostco/en/

Cos

09-10-2010, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by benyl
haha, I am not worried about gas mileage...

Costco: http://www.fordclassic.ca/fordcostco/en/

Thanks!

Actually true, look who I am talking to. You arent exactly a model of Kyoto Protocol either.

craigcd

09-10-2010, 12:24 PM

I drive a 2010 right now and i love it however i think this late in the year you should wait for the 2011. Might also make a difference if you are leasing or buying- if i were buying i would take the 2010, leaseing take the 2011 for sure.

My truck sucks gas pretty hard and there will be improvements on the 2011 5.0L.

Also who ever told you that ordering starts Sept 30th is wrong. Ordering started Sept 3. However pricing isnt available until the 23rd.

PM me if you need details on specs ect.

Craig

craigcd

09-10-2010, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by Cos
2011 just because the EcoBoost is gonna be a huge improvement. I think if you buy the 2010 with the 4.6 or 5.4 as great as those engines have been they are dated and you will kick yourself a little bit. Either way you arent going to be disappointed. I love my truck, just IF you can wait, I would wait for the EcoBoost or 5.0L. Im even waiting longer to hopefully get a mid 4L diesel in the next ones (maybe 2013/2014?).

Also what the hell is the costco program?

From what i heard the chance of a Diesel 1/2 Ton is going to be slim.

lint

09-10-2010, 01:03 PM

Get the Ecoboost...

Cos

09-10-2010, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by craigcd

From what i heard the chance of a Diesel 1/2 Ton is going to be slim.

Then I guess I will have my 07 for a long time then.

Khalil.e

09-10-2010, 03:02 PM

2011 3.5TT!

I'm considering one for myself as well...

masoncgy

09-10-2010, 10:45 PM

As soon as the 2011s hit the streets in quantity the 2010s will depreciate rapidly... something to keep in mind.

tictactoe2004

09-11-2010, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by masoncgy
As soon as the 2011s hit the streets in quantity the 2010s will depreciate rapidly... something to keep in mind.

People said the same thing about my 2001 GTI when the 2002's came out with the nicer VR6 and the 6 speed vs 5 speed... I got a great deal on the 2001 at the time and never had a single regret, years later the price difference between the 01's and the 02's is next to nothing.

Fast forward almost 10 years later, my wifes car lease was due and we're expecting our first child any day now. We started looking at trucks and ended up going with a 2010 F150 Lariat about 3 or 4 weeks ago. Sure the 2011's will have a better engine line up but the 2010's are priced right and still a fantastic truck. I don't know that I would have paid more to get one of the newer engines even if I could have waited.

Personally I love the truck and have zero regrets getting a 2010 vs the 2011. If you can wait for the 2011's to go on sale for the same price as what the 2010 is now then i'd wait, but I wouldn't be worried about regretting the purchase of a 2010 model today.

masoncgy

09-11-2010, 03:02 PM

^ Fair enough, but there's a huge difference when it comes to resale value of a domestic vs an import. Apples & oranges really.

benyl

09-11-2010, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by masoncgy
^ Fair enough, but there's a huge difference when it comes to resale value of a domestic vs an import. Apples & oranges really.

There is a huge difference between the resale of an F150 with the 2v 4.6L V8 and the 3v 4.6L V8.

The 3v 4.6L V8 sells for a few hundred less than the 5.4L V8.
The 2v 4.6L V8 sells for a few thousand less than the 5.4L V8.

tictactoe2004

09-11-2010, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by benyl

There is a huge difference between the resale of an F150 with the 2v 4.6L V8 and the 3v 4.6L V8.

The 3v 4.6L V8 sells for a few hundred less than the 5.4L V8.
The 2v 4.6L V8 sells for a few thousand less than the 5.4L V8.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but for a brand new F150 the 2v engine is only availble in the most basic models that they make. I don't even think that engine is an option if you get a 4x4.. it's only an option if you get a RWD F150 which comes with the old school shifter on the steering wheel.

If you are looking at anything 4x4 your options will be 4.6 3v or for $650 (if I remember correctly) you can upgrade to the 5.4L. Both of those come with a six speed automatic... I guess all I'm saying is that the engine is not the main/only reason the 4.6L 2v's costs thousands less than the 4.6L 3v.

I was only looking at a fully loaded FX4 or Lariat so engines werent really an option for me...

I still believe if you look on Kijiji or Canada Trader in 5-7 years the price difference between an equally equipped 2010 vs 2011 F150 will be less than the extra amount you will pay today to buy the 2011 over the 2010. It will most likely cost at least 3-5 thousand more to get into a 2011 vs a 2010, it will not be worth 3-5 thousand more in 5-7 years as a used vehicle.

Are you considering a RWD F150?

and if you're not dealing with anyone yet I can refer you to the guy that helped me out with my truck. I went to almost every dealer in the city before finding someone that was easy to deal with and seemed honest and sincere which is apparantly very hard to find in the auto industry.

benyl

09-11-2010, 04:23 PM

The 2v was in the 05-08 trucks. The 3v is in the 09+ trucks.

tictactoe2004

09-11-2010, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by benyl
The 2v was in the 05-08 trucks. The 3v is in the 09+ trucks.

The 2v is still availble on the 09 and 10's.

Even if I look at a used 07 for example, on canadatrader the 2007 F150's with the 2v 4.6 and 4x4 start at 12,500.. the same truck with the 5.4 starts at $12,900 and that's even at the same dealer. Same thing with the 05's or 06's... it's only a small price difference. The only ones that are considerably cheaper are the RWD F150s..

I'm not trying to argue, i'm just trying to understand where this "if it has the 2v 4.6 it's worth thousands less than the 5.4", I just don't see that in the prices online.

BTW is your name Jeff?

Jeremiah

09-11-2010, 05:01 PM

$16000 in discounts?

CRAZY... what would you be paying if you went for the 2010 4x4 supercab?

CapnCrunch

09-13-2010, 03:11 PM

So a 2010 is 15,000 cheaper than a 2011?

I bet 90% of the kids on here don't have cars worth that much. I'd personally save the money. There's always going to be something newer and better coming out.

benyl

09-13-2010, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by CapnCrunch
So a 2010 is 15,000 cheaper than a 2011?

I bet 90% of the kids on here don't have cars worth that much. I'd personally save the money. There's always going to be something newer and better coming out.

Acutally, it is more than that.

It is $16644 on an FX4 Crew with the luxury package. I am tempted to get a Platinum, but I like the electronic locking rear diff.

I also just found out that there is a a 6% commission kick back from Ford to the dealer for every 2010 sold. If I split that 6% commission, I can get another $1500 out of the dealer for a total discount of $18,000.

The 2010 is looking more and MORE appealing. haha

max_boost

09-13-2010, 04:18 PM

Wow if saving $17k doesn't do it for you, you aren't Asian man lol but I put you in the rage2 category so Fuck saving money, go for 2011 hahaha

benyl

09-13-2010, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by max_boost
Wow if saving $17k doesn't do it for you, you aren't Asian man lol but I put you in the rage2 category so Fuck saving money, go for 2011 hahaha

The dilemma is 310hp vs 400+hp

Cos

09-13-2010, 05:00 PM

roopi

09-13-2010, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by benyl

Acutally, it is more than that.

It is $16644 on an FX4 Crew with the luxury package. I am tempted to get a Platinum, but I like the electronic locking rear diff.

I also just found out that there is a a 6% commission kick back from Ford to the dealer for every 2010 sold. If I split that 6% commission, I can get another $1500 out of the dealer for a total discount of $18,000.

The 2010 is looking more and MORE appealing. haha

I bought the same truck back in June and received a $16k discount at the time as well. I wasn't even considering Ford at the time but have no regrets at all. I say go with the FX4. Not only does it have the locking diff but the interior looks better (not a fan of the woodgrain trim) and it doesn't have the chrome across the tailgate.

The platinum does have the power boards which would be nice because the stock ones on the FX4 (and all other models) are too close to the truck body IMO.

sillysod

09-13-2010, 08:30 PM

Its not like the resale value will ever = the 18,000 difference you are talking in initial purchase price.

The 11's might for for a few grand more then the 10's in a few years, but that about it, don't expect like a $8,000.00 difference.

Its a truck... I have a 06 F150 FX4 level II with all the bells and whistles, it's ok, but its a truck. Its for work, not for driving enjoyability. It's heavy, handles like a pig and slow as shit, but it is super handy and perfect in town.

Anybody spending a pile of $$$ on a performance truck IMO is just crazy. Especially considering a 1/2 ton isn't really much of a truck anyways (most even come with passenger car tires). I can't put much in the box with out needing airbags etc. If you really need a truck for truck work then get a diesel 3/4 ton minimum. If you need something for taking your lawnmower in for service and picking up ornamental shrubs then probably you would be better off putting the $18,000 you save into your car.

Redlyne_mr2

09-13-2010, 10:58 PM

How long do you plan on keeping the truck for? I sort of compare this to the 2010 x5 with the NA engine vs the 2011 with the turbo engine. The turbo version is just so much better and worth the money especially if your wife is driving it since I know she likes power lol. Both trucks are going to depreciate to levels that you'll never be able to imagine but that's irrelevant if youre leasing.

benyl

09-17-2010, 01:07 PM

Would you buy a brand new truck with hail damage?

pics say it all

An extra $2400 off the sticker for a total of $19K off sticker.

http://benyl.com/F150/IMG_0060.JPG
http://benyl.com/F150/IMG_0061.JPG
http://benyl.com/F150/IMG_0062.JPG
http://benyl.com/F150/IMG_0063.JPG
http://benyl.com/F150/IMG_0064.JPG
http://benyl.com/F150/IMG_0065.JPG

rage2

09-17-2010, 01:22 PM

That's funny, I was telling kenny today how I've noticed that there's a new breed of douchebags in town driving Ford F150's. He then proceeded to point me to this thread.

:rofl:

Cos

09-17-2010, 01:33 PM

^^ haha

benyl: Personally the dents would drive me nuts. I would have to get them fixed. If you can fix it for cheaper than 2k then go nuts. I couldnt just leave it like that though.

redline

09-17-2010, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by sillysod
Its not like the resale value will ever = the 18,000 difference you are talking in initial purchase price.

The 11's might for for a few grand more then the 10's in a few years, but that about it, don't expect like a $8,000.00 difference.

Its a truck... I have a 06 F150 FX4 level II with all the bells and whistles, it's ok, but its a truck. Its for work, not for driving enjoyability. It's heavy, handles like a pig and slow as shit, but it is super handy and perfect in town.

Anybody spending a pile of $$$ on a performance truck IMO is just crazy. Especially considering a 1/2 ton isn't really much of a truck anyways (most even come with passenger car tires). I can't put much in the box with out needing airbags etc. If you really need a truck for truck work then get a diesel 3/4 ton minimum. If you need something for taking your lawnmower in for service and picking up ornamental shrubs then probably you would be better off putting the $18,000 you save into your car.

:werd:

save the 18g

benyl

09-17-2010, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by rage2
That's funny, I was telling kenny today how I've noticed that there's a new breed of douchebags in town driving Ford F150's. He then proceeded to point me to this thread.

:rofl:

:rofl:

I guess I can't help but jump on the douchebag wagon. haha

benyl

09-17-2010, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by Cos
^^ haha

benyl: Personally the dents would drive me nuts. I would have to get them fixed. If you can fix it for cheaper than 2k then go nuts. I couldnt just leave it like that though.

Yeah, the sales guy figures $800 to fix it. Waiting for TomcoPDR to return my PM.

CapnCrunch

09-23-2010, 10:20 AM

benyl

09-23-2010, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by CapnCrunch

Jesus, that just makes you seem stupid for even considering it then. Lol @ beyond telling you to spend 18K on 90hp.

It's a slow truck you retards. :whipped:

It is less than that. The numbers were release last week. Only 40 hp, but about 100 lb/ft.

Xtrema

09-23-2010, 11:06 AM

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/09/2011-ford-f-150-ecoboost-large012.jpg

CapnCrunch

09-24-2010, 07:48 AM

Are those 0-60's for full size trucks? :rofl:

benyl

09-24-2010, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by CapnCrunch
Are those 0-60's for full size trucks? :rofl:

Those look more like 1/8th mile times given they have an associated speed component.

I guess when you troll, you don't have to be knowledgeable.

CapnCrunch

09-28-2010, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by benyl

Those look more like 1/8th mile times given they have an associated speed component.

I guess when you troll, you don't have to be knowledgeable.

I guess you haven't been on the internet long.

Cos

09-28-2010, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by CapnCrunch

I guess you haven't been on the internet long.

bahaha:

78507 < 995

No he just got here

CapnCrunch

09-29-2010, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by Cos

bahaha:

78507 < 995

Nice math there. I'm guessing you two are related.

kaput

09-29-2010, 09:43 AM

Cos

09-29-2010, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by CapnCrunch

Nice math there. I'm guessing you two are related.

He is number 995 and you are number whatever the fuck. Point being that he is a little older on the interwebz then you retard.

Also it is a variation of the expression Reading > You. I was inferring that Benyl owned you. It wasn't a greater than expression. But I can see how that can be confusing for a high school kid.

Alak

09-29-2010, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by Cos

He is number 995 and you are number whatever the fuck. Point being that he is a little older on the interwebz then you retard.

Also it is a variation of the expression Reading > You. I was inferring that Benyl owned you. It wasn't a greater than expression. But I can see how that can be confusing for a high school kid.

:burnout:

CapnCrunch

09-30-2010, 08:27 AM