I'm a fucking idiot i cant read "was: Ric Mciver Is Evil Closing Race City"

[albertm7]

not really car discussion, but this topic has the most threads so...
DON'T VOTE FOR RIC MCIVER
he will shut down race city at the end of the contract date

"The executed agreement between The City of Calgary and Race City provides the city with timely access to the lands to prepare for landfill expansion and the 114 Ave. SE/Stoney Trail tie-in. Race City is granted permission to continue operating on the city-owned lands to the end of December, 2011."

KEEP OUR CAR COMMUNITY ALIVE!

not sure about anybody else tho...

[D. Dub]

Not to mention he's twitchy.

[Redlyne_mr2]

How does this have anything to do with McIver?

[sillysod]

Although I do not support Ric McIver myself, he has made it VERY clear that he will keep Race City open if he gets elected.

[Zewind]

I have requested comments from a few about 5 of the canadiates.

Ric has not responded to 2 requests for comment


Nenshi's response - Mr. Nenshi would like to work with the motorsports community to develop a solution to the current Race City woes that is beneficial to everyone involved.

Sincerely,
The Nenshi for Mayor Campaign

Barb - First manager wanted to see a business plan, but when she fired him I tried to get ahold of the second one. Still no return.


Joe Connelly - Joe Connelly worked very hard to save Race City Speedway.

His first platform is "A Great City for Everyone - especially our children". He is adamant that Calgary needs more recreational facilities for all ages, but especially children, who need more opportunity to get involved in sports and arts for both the physical and social benefits. He includes Motorsports facility in that.

He has been working closely with the Police Chief as well, learning how much "idle time" contributes to vandalism and crime and sees the two very connected. Keeping children busy and safe can reduce crime, but to do so, Calgary needs to commit more funding to these facilities, including motorsports. In this case, it's also keeping Calgary's roads safe if we have a formal racing facility.

In fact, Mr. Connelly's son is a racer himself, so he knows first hand the implications of losing Race City.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by Zewind

Joe Connelly - Joe Connelly worked very hard to save Race City Speedway.

His first platform is "A Great City for Everyone - especially our children". He is adamant that Calgary needs more recreational facilities for all ages, but especially children, who need more opportunity to get involved in sports and arts for both the physical and social benefits. He includes Motorsports facility in that.

He has been working closely with the Police Chief as well, learning how much "idle time" contributes to vandalism and crime and sees the two very connected. Keeping children busy and safe can reduce crime, but to do so, Calgary needs to commit more funding to these facilities, including motorsports. In this case, it's also keeping Calgary's roads safe if we have a formal racing facility.

In fact, Mr. Connelly's son is a racer himself, so he knows first hand the implications of losing Race City.

yup, his son is on here too (jackc)

and this is him

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2079/jackr.jpg

[Zigo]

^ He's got my vote.

[kenny]

Originally posted by albertm7
not really car discussion, but this topic has the most threads so...
DON'T VOTE FOR RIC MCIVER
he will shut down race city at the end of the contract date

"The executed agreement between The City of Calgary and Race City provides the city with timely access to the lands to prepare for landfill expansion and the 114 Ave. SE/Stoney Trail tie-in. Race City is granted permission to continue operating on the city-owned lands to the end of December, 2011."

KEEP OUR CAR COMMUNITY ALIVE!

not sure about anybody else tho...

Thankfully, the only people that will buy this garbage are those that aren't old enough to vote.

[bspot]

If you vote based on a race track alone you're a bit retarded. There are way more important things that you should care about in the election.

That said, I wish there was a way to make a fully privately owned race track feasable (including the land) so it could actually make money and maintain itself and provide nice facilities instead of being run like a charity.

I think having a track is important to the city, but I can see why people who don't give 2 shits about cars don't want to subsidize it.

Way more people will use the pedestrian bridge everyone hates than the track.

[Toma]

Originally posted by bspot


I think having a track is important to the city, but I can see why people who don't give 2 shits about cars don't want to subsidize it.

Way more people will use the pedestrian bridge everyone hates than the track.

It's not subsidized......

[albertm7]

Originally posted by bspot
If you vote based on a race track alone you're a bit retarded. There are way more important things that you should care about in the election.

That said, I wish there was a way to make a fully privately owned race track feasable (including the land) so it could actually make money and maintain itself and provide nice facilities instead of being run like a charity.

I think having a track is important to the city, but I can see why people who don't give 2 shits about cars don't want to subsidize it.

Way more people will use the pedestrian bridge everyone hates than the track.

it's not a national election, it's not a provincial election...
it's a local mayoral election
the fact that McIver said he will close Race City by the end of the contract date strongly influences my decision who to vote for to the point of choosing not to vote for him
you say I'm retarded?
I say, if you take away one of my main forms of recreation, then I won't vote for you

and could you explain how race city is subsidized? and what you mean by your last sentence?

and whoever said I'm basing my vote on a race track alone? It is simply a deal breaker for me, I still have to choose between many candidates including Nenshi and Hawkesworth to name a few.

[Thaco]

mciver has flip flopped on everything else, why not this too?


remember the park and ride fee? yeah, mciver spearheaded it, guess what one of his main platform initiatives is? to axe the fee... hypocrite much?

[Thaco]

Originally posted by albertm7


I still have to choose between many candidates including Nenshi and Hawkesworth to name a few.

not really true about Hawk, it would be a waste of your vote... if you're not gonna vote McIver, Nenshi, or Higgins, you may as well not even waste your time showing up to the polls. other than those 3, the rest of the (what 15?) candidates split 3% of the votes.

[asp integra]

i thought mciver was in favor of keeping race city around?

[Thaco]

Originally posted by asp integra
i thought mciver was in favor of keeping race city around? he "was"

[BrknFngrs]

If you want anyone to take your post seriously the quote that you include should probably atleast support your claims...

[albertm7]

how does it not support my claim? once the contract is over, race city will be turned into a landfill...

[Shlade]

ricks a tiny little guy.. Im about 6`1 and when I stood beside him he looked like he was about 5`9 to me.

Just kinda thought that was funny lol... I dont pay attention to any of this politics stuff tho

[DarrinGTA]

whoa...... whoa whoa whoa....
first of all....
when was that quote taken from????
to me it appears that it was taken from when the city decided to give Race City 2 more years instead of the 5 that was being sought.

Ric McIvar IS NOT shutting down Race City after the end of the term that is in place at the present time.

He has been the most vocal of any city council members to keep Race City alive and kicking. There are others as well that have backed him up, Joe Conelly being one of them.

Be very careful where you get your info from during this CIVIC election.... there has been a lot of mudslinging and "playing of words" to make other candidates look better. :drama:

Even though I am very pissed at him (and will have a discussion with him at a later date), if you want to know exactly where Ric McIvar stands on the Race City issue, all you have to do is go to Friday Night Secret Street and talk to Rick Fransecone. He is friends with Ric McIvar and has many talks/meetings with him about the future of Race City.

(pissed at Rick F ...... nor Ric McIvar)

[Sugarphreak]

...

[Zewind]

Now Im not saying he is going to shut race city down, or extend the contract. But he still needs a majority vote to keep it.
:banghead:

[kvg]

Originally posted by sillysod
he has made it VERY clear that he will keep Race City open if he gets elected.


He said this at race city a few weeks ago when I was there for the fastest street car comp

[hampstor]

During elections at any level, the wingnuts always come out in full force. :nut:

[Sugarphreak]

..

[kvg]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Does the OP have the same IP address as NUSC by chance...

NUSC is such a.............:nut:
can you feel the love:banghead:

[EK 2.0]

I'm gonna throw something out there...

Firstly, yes I love RCMP...it's offered me many years of fun, and a lot of friends in the time I have been an automotive enthusiast...

That being said though, I know and fully understand that RCMP is all we have. And yes, for the majority of Calgary voters it is an issue that is neither here nor there. But for a good majority of us here on beyond, and other various car forums in and around town its a vital part of any mayoral campaign. But as long as we have RCMP, there won't be any incentive for anyone else to get something together to build us a better venue. Let us be one hundred percent honest...race city is great because it offers us a venue to beat the crap out of our builds...allowing us a safe place to enjoy our hard work, blood, sweat, and tears. But the track surface, the amenities, and the road from the gate to the track have all seen better days. I have seen first hand the deterioration of the facility over the years.

We need a new venue, or a total overhaul...And we are not going to get that as long as we have a place...so maybe RCMP going the way of the dodo might be a good thing long term for this city...

[CUG]

This is actually a legitimate concern from the OP. It's plausible that McIver can ride our votes into the mayor box. The thing is, it doesn't matter. When it comes to vote time, it's the alderpeople who make the decisions. McIver can still vote in favour of the track and it could still get bulldozed.

I agree with EK, that as long is it's there, there won't be anything else.

Even still, I don't think we'd see a new one in our lifetimes. Calgary property, and the property around it is grossly overpriced.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by EK 2.0


We need a new venue, or a total overhaul...And we are not going to get that as long as we have a place...so maybe RCMP going the way of the dodo might be a good thing long term for this city...

new venue? doubt it, people with money and business plans have tried and failed... you are NOT getting approval.

total overhaul? yes! it needs this oh so badly, but it will not be happening as long as the future of race city is uncertain. if there could be a guarantee of it's survival it would make sense to invest money in the track, as it stands currently? that is just bad business.

[albertm7]

Ric McIver IS TURNING RACE CITY INTO A LANDFILL ONCE THE LEASE IS OVER
:banghead:
http://www.ricmciver.ca/issues/
Ward 12 issues, 2nd one
I don't know what he said at RC, but it's on his website so I'm gonna take that as the most recent source of information

[EK 2.0]

Originally posted by ercchry

new venue? doubt it, people with money and business plans have tried and failed... you are NOT getting approval.

total overhaul? yes! it needs this oh so badly, but it will not be happening as long as the future of race city is uncertain. if there could be a guarantee of it's survival it would make sense to invest money in the track, as it stands currently? that is just bad business.


I've never looked into the logistics of getting approval for RCMP...so I cannot comment there...

But on the overhaul...maybe (and this is total speculation/playing the devil's advocate) the city is in favour of closing it out and making way for landfill because the place is on the proverbial deathbed in terms of the track surface, the oval infield...I don't know just thinking out loud I guess...It just might be a huge catch 22...But I can;t speak on it for certain as I am on the outside looking in...

[kvg]

+1 for a new venue:clap:

[sillysod]

Originally posted by albertm7
Ric McIver IS TURNING RACE CITY INTO A LANDFILL ONCE THE LEASE IS OVER
:banghead:
http://www.ricmciver.ca/issues/
Ward 12 issues, 2nd one
I don't know what he said at RC, but it's on his website so I'm gonna take that as the most recent source of information

That is nothing to do with the election. He still is the Alderman of Ward 12, so he has information for Ward 12 there. It doesn't say that he is closing it. :banghead: it says that there is a lease in place until 2011. thats all....

[Toma]

Fuck, will anyone get pissed if I NUKE this idiots post cause it a flagrant lie?

[Toma]

New Venue Comments.

Everyone pushing for a New Venue is failing to understand WHY Race City is the way it is.

Myself and a LOT of friends in the Industry would have bought Race City 3 times over if it had a future.

But with Bronconnier trying to get rid of it so "as rumour has it" he can have his property near there rezone increasing its value 10x!! ....

....WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would invest a cent when the future is Uncertain? It's all year to year. Would your throw a million $$$ just for renos if you didnt know if the place would be around next year?

The moment WE KNOW we have a secure 30 year lease, people, sponsors, investors will start thinking about a long term investment and improvements.

[Toma]

And really... with City mismanagement, and Sprawl.... where do you think you are gonna get land anywhere near the city at reasonable $ to build a facility of that size?

Only place we could think of is the Reserve.... after seeing their Casino, and how well it is run, fewer rules etc, they could run a track under their own rules, with less bureaucracy, and it would be a good one!!

Before you guys that have a hate on for the reservation living folk.... May I present... exhibit A... Firebird Raceway in Phoenix. Run sin the mid 80s, top Quality track.

BTW, Acton Montana NHRA track is for sale. Under $1 million, cost over $5mil to build ;)

[albertm7]

yeah cause timely access to the lands (referring to RC) for landfill expansion doesn't mean they are closing it, just replacing it with a landfill
:facepalm:

[Toma]

Originally posted by albertm7
yeah cause timely access to the lands (referring to RC) for landfill expansion doesn't mean they are closing it, just replacing it with a landfill
:facepalm:

MORON... learn to read.

Those are updates of what is going on, NOT his platform.

We are actually LUCKY we got a temp extension of 1 year. He is working hard to get us the 30 year lease we want!!!!

THis is his publicly stated platform, he's announced it, he has visited Race City and stood at the Starting line numerous times...

Jesus you dumb homo, you are pissing me off.

[Toma]

Originally posted by EK 2.0

But on the overhaul...maybe (and this is total speculation/playing the devil's advocate) the city is in favour of closing it out and making way for landfill because the place is on the proverbial deathbed in terms of the track surface, the oval infield...I don't know just thinking out loud I guess...It just might be a huge catch 22...But I can;t speak on it for certain as I am on the outside looking in...

What I "hear".....

The city has already sent out "feelers" to private waste management companies to see the feasibility of making waste a private business in Calgary. That land would then be rezoned to Industrial/Commercial.

Race City is in the way of this privatization plan.

And Bornconnier owns 16 acres right near there that once the city begins rezoning that area, would turn his "worthless" farm land, into "gold" Commercial/Industrial.

Just what I hear, have no idea if its true, but CERTAINLY seems plausible.

[EK 2.0]

Originally posted by Toma

What I "hear".....

And Bornconnier owns 16 acres right near there that once the city begins rezoning that area, would turn his "worthless" farm land, into "gold" Commercial/Industrial.

Just what I hear, have no idea if its true, but CERTAINLY seems plausible.


Haha...of course you would come in with the conspiracy angle good sir...haha...

But you are right it does seem plausible...

I don't know...I guess we will have to see what the future holds for our beloved road course/drag track/oval/mosquito farm...

[toastgremlin]

You should probably go around emailing aldermanic candidates as well, guys. Brent Mielke in Ward 6 got back to me almost immediately and personally wrote a pretty big letter about how he wants to look into protecting it and encouraging other motorsports in Calgary.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by albertm7
yeah cause timely access to the lands (referring to RC) for landfill expansion doesn't mean they are closing it, just replacing it with a landfill
:facepalm:

Fuck, you are a retard. Learn how to read first.

That "proof" that you show was the current status. And it is true that current contract ends in 2011, so we get one more season out of it which originally was suppose to end this year.


Your "proof" at best shows non-commitment.

But McIver did promise to keep it, verbally many times. But we also know he does not have the last word on the matter. And I won't be surprised that it'll be scraped by some backroom tactics.

[Zewind]

Thus the catch 22
Do we start working towards a new track? (http://forums.beyond.ca/st/316265/race-track-ideas/)
or
Do an overhaul on the exsisting track?

Its all resting with the City. Which I hate because how long will it be untill its gets tabled with the new council.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by Toma

The moment WE KNOW we have a secure 30 year lease, people, sponsors, investors will start thinking about a long term investment and improvements.

EXACTLY. No sane investor is going to sink money into a facility with a horribly uncertain future. Lock in the 30 year contract and suddenly it becomes a far more attractive investment and the changes can be made.

[Genjuro]

Close it down and another one will get built.

Once the city sees more street racing with no other solution they will jump on the idea.
I'm sure once it does get closed down, a lot of the richer old car enthusiasts will help out too.

They liked the idea of a skate park didn't they?

[962 kid]

Originally posted by Zewind
Thus the catch 22
Do we start working towards a new track? (http://forums.beyond.ca/st/316265/race-track-ideas/)
or
Do an overhaul on the exsisting track?

Its all resting with the City. Which I hate because how long will it be untill its gets tabled with the new council.

Overhaul for sure; all of the alternate track locations are shit. Part of the appeal of RC is that it's a 15 minute drive to go race, spectate, hang out, whatever. It opens the doors to a lot of casual enthusiasts and moving the track to Drumheller or wherever will greatly reduce the number of people that come out on a regular basis. Who would be willing to drive 2 hours on Friday night to go watch drag racing? I wouldn't lol

[m10-power]

Toma is exactly right in his posts, owner of RCMP has spoken at our CEAG xmas parties a few times and its always the same. No long term agreement means he only invests what is needed for the short term. Can't blame him.

He has more then enough money and is a huge enthusiast, once the current mayor is replaced and some one with common sense (hopefully Ric gets elected - can't vote as I don't live in the city) gets in and puts a long term deal on the table. (rumour is this is the case, short term deal was just to get this issue through the current mayor's term)

Show of hands who here has been to any other tracks (video games no included...)

RCMP is not a bad track at all, offers lots of motorsport activites for a large number of enthusiasts. Located so close by it's very rare for a track. If you've never been to any other facilites (which I would wager is the case with the vast majority RCMP haters) then STFU.

We are not going to get a replacement track, look at BC. Westwood was amazing, gone now. Replaced? nope.

If RCMP closes that's going to be it, all you people thinking your going to put a deal together gives me a good laugh. Two very well funded and organized groups have failed, after spending large sums trying. I was helping the kart group put in the electrical proposal as part of their pitch for funding as a non-profit organization. They had a great plan and it got flattened by one land owner.

Thinking once the city sees incidents of street racing they will come to their senses? seriously are you retarded, they will tighten down the laws and cars will get crushed and people jailed. Look at BC, 130km/h on most of their highways equals license gone and car gone for a week. Wait til it comes to Alberta...We are becoming Great Britian, someone save us from ourselves, better create a government ministry for that...

Oh forgot to say, the OP is an idiot.

[secretstreet]

Originally posted by albertm7


it's not a national election, it's not a provincial election...
it's a local mayoral election
the fact that McIver said he will close Race City by the end of the contract date strongly influences my decision who to vote for to the point of choosing not to vote for him
you say I'm retarded?
I say, if you take away one of my main forms of recreation, then I won't vote for you

and could you explain how race city is subsidized? and what you mean by your last sentence?

and whoever said I'm basing my vote on a race track alone? It is simply a deal breaker for me, I still have to choose between many candidates including Nenshi and Hawkesworth to name a few.

It is good that people are talking about this issue and we really hope you will get out and vote. By the way, we will be having a breakdown of those candidates who support Motorsports on our website @ motorsportcouncilofcalgary.com

However it is disturbing to us when people spread ficticous info as the truth.

Fact: The only reason we have had a track after 2009 is because Ric McIver and other council members fought for it for us. And beleive you me, it was a fight. This last two weeks we have gone to every aldermanic forum and talked to the alderman that were involved in Ric's fight for us. Also you need to know, Ric's motion was to extend the lease to 2015 which was passed, but the lease was only signed to 2012 for a reason which I won't go into. Ric had no control over that.

My first meeting with Ric, 3+years ago showed me that Ric and other council members didn't know how passionate the Motorsport fans/competitors are and about the unjust treatment we were receiving. Over that time Ric has learnt what we are about. As Darrin H eludes to, I have had the opportunity to get to know Ric and his wonderful wife Christine. They are real people like you and I and now understand our sport.
Please don't post untrue things about him.

There has been a mention about Nenshi and Hawksworth.
Hawkswoth is no friend of the Motorsport community. I have had a number of discussion about it with him. He is of the same mindset as Bronco, what do I want your stinky noisy cars in my City for.
Nenshi talked about the 3.1million dollar subsidy at the Mayorality forum. Another person that has beleived the lies that some council members (including Hawksworth) have been spewing. We had a meeting with Nenshi two days after that comment, and he thanked us for clearing some things up.

The Race City property is about money. That small parcel of land to the East of Race City. I will say no more.

Don't think that because he hasn't returned your call or replied to your e-mail, he doesn't support us. I met with him yesterday and he is living on Timmie's and 2 hours sleep a night. My message to you is, he does, pass it on so Ric can get 3 hours of sleep a night.

So as you might see, the Motorsport Council of Calgary has been very busy in the political arena. Please don't undermine our efforts to ensure we all have a place to go, by making untrue statements about those who have and will support us down the road. I you expect Ric's continued support, it starts with your support.

I always have the facts to back up everything I say.

Rick

[Zewind]

I forgot to mention in this thread. But I did in the other Calgary Mayor Thread. Ric personally called me to ensure he will be doing his very best to keep Racing in Calgary. Wether it be a new track or keeping the exsiting one.

[secretstreet]

Originally posted by Genjuro
Close it down and another one will get built.

Once the city sees more street racing with no other solution they will jump on the idea.
I'm sure once it does get closed down, a lot of the richer old car enthusiasts will help out too.

They liked the idea of a skate park didn't they?

And just like it did in Edmonton. Can you wait 10+ years, 3 bankruptcies and a location so far out you have to pack a lunch. The problem is location. It is perfect where it is. It just needs to be remodelled.

[InLoveWitRSX]

I work/volunteer for Ric, he's in favor of keeping Race city around.

/thread.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by albertm7
not really car discussion, but this topic has the most threads so...
DON'T VOTE FOR RIC MCIVER
he will shut down race city at the end of the contract date

"The executed agreement between The City of Calgary and Race City provides the city with timely access to the lands to prepare for landfill expansion and the 114 Ave. SE/Stoney Trail tie-in. Race City is granted permission to continue operating on the city-owned lands to the end of December, 2011."

KEEP OUR CAR COMMUNITY ALIVE!

not sure about anybody else tho...

Thanks OP. I've been on the fence for a while but the Nenshi supporters like you have driven me to give our two votes to McIver.

[ddduke]

Originally posted by InLoveWitRSX
he's in favor of keeping Race city around.

/thread.

Ric was at secret street last friday saying how he has all intentions of keeping it around.

/thread

[D. Dub]

Landfill > Poorly maintained and financially bereft race track.

How can Mciver be running on a platform of fiscal conservatism and still be in support of propping up badly run, non viable businesses at the same time?!?!

[gregh]

albertm7 is a great example of what is wrong with this city & it's politics. 90% of the people have no real clue about what they are spouting, they just have this urge to spout off, to hell with the truth!!

The news media is just as bad, they just go for the headlines, stuff like Race City getting a $3.1 subsidy from the city is complete crap but Bronco Billy said so so it must be fact.

If the general population knew 1/10 of the crap that is happening behind the scenes like all the land deals that have happened over the last decade to line the pockets of a certain politician, there would be a lynch mob at city hall 20 minutes later.

My opinion of this election is pretty straight forward.
We have basically 3 choices, Higgins, Nenshi Or McIver.

Higgins is someone who has spent most of her life reading a professionally written script, what experience does that show for making her own decisions? Slightly less than nothing in my opinion, she's just a figurehead & a puppet but the big question is who will be pulling her strings this time?

Nenshi is also someone with no political experience who seems to only know what he reads in the paper(ie, his comment at the U of C forum about the Race City "$3.1 Mill Subsidy"). He's a bleeding heart liberal from the academic world who has no real experience in the outside world.
His band of online trolls who seem to be filling up the comment section of every newspaper & online forum aren't helping him either in my opinion. It's like Obama all over again & we can see how well that's working for the US, LOL.

McIver seems to me , to be the only one of the group who has his shit together. He's backing the stuff like Race City, fiscal responsibility(ie. anti Peace Bridge) that just make sense. I've talked to the man at the track a few times & he's a real person who I think is trying to do the "right things".

We'll see what happens Monday but I hope like hell the average Joe Calgarian can see past all the BS & elect someone who will lead this city in the right direction.

[m10-power]

Originally posted by D. Dub
Landfill > Poorly maintained and financially bereft race track.

How can Mciver be running on a platform of fiscal conservatism and still be in support of propping up badly run, non viable businesses at the same time?!?!

Lol where do you come up with this shit?

Only consistantly the most utilized track in Canada, long term lease deal will mean the owner will invest the money needed to spruce up the facility. Pretty obvious, may want to try reading before posting retarded shit.

[D. Dub]

If they were truly financially viable -- they would have been prepared for the lease ending and been able to build a new facility.

[Shlade]

I think an awesome location would be a little west of spruce meadows :thumbsup:


I just hope they do some renos to the current location if we get a good long lease. Hell... Id be willing to put in my time to help build the place back up to specs!!

[gregh]

Originally posted by D. Dub
they would have been prepared for the lease ending and been able to build a new facility.

As usually, another person spouting without knowing 1/10 of the truth.

Race City's lease was valid till 2025 until Bronco Billy & some of his henchmen decided to cancel it without just cause.

Next you'll ask if the lease was valid, why didn't Race City sue?

The answer to that is, they did & the case was before the courts at the time this current extension was worked out. The case is still valid but I think the RC owner was trying to avoid a long & costly legal battle so he took a short term extension that would get him past the life of the current City council & hopefully into the next version of council(& a new mayor) that wouldn't be so tied up with Bronco's secret agendas.

[Thaco]

Originally posted by gregh


As usually, another person spouting without knowing 1/10 of the truth.

Race City's lease was valid till 2025 until Bronco Billy & some of his henchmen decided to cancel it without just cause.

Next you'll ask if the lease was valid, why didn't Race City sue?

The answer to that is, they did & the case was before the courts at the time this current extension was worked out. The case is still valid but I think the RC owner was trying to avoid a long & costly legal battle so he took a short term extension that would get him past the life of the current City council & hopefully into the next version of council(& a new mayor) that wouldn't be so tied up with Bronco's secret agendas.

actually, "Leagally" the lease is void due to a late payment on Mackenzie's part, shady for the city to terminate it on a technicality, but they have every right to do so.

[m10-power]

Ok how about some facts

Lease was for 2025 but required renewal every 5 years. Which is how it ran for many years. Still hard to spend millions fixing it when it could all be lost after 5 years. Also hard to get a long term sponser as well. City claimed they didnt renew, which is why the lease was terminated. The fact was it was, and the owner had the paperwork. Then they said oh ok but you new taxes are increased 3000%, why? Because we want you gone...was going to sue, but came to a deal until 2012. Which will hopefully be extended with a proper long term lease that will lead to much needed improvements.

Lol for the thread title update

[gregh]

Originally posted by Thaco


actually, "Leagally" the lease is void due to a late payment on Mackenzie's part, shady for the city to terminate it on a technicality, but they have every right to do so.

Legally, the late payment was 5+ years before any mention of the lease being canceled came up. It was forgiven by the city lease agent at the time & was never mentioned again until they started looking for an excuse to cancel the lease.

[secretstreet]

Originally posted by Thaco


actually, "Leagally" the lease is void due to a late payment on Mackenzie's part, shady for the city to terminate it on a technicality, but they have every right to do so.


Once again spreading rumors.

There was no late payments. Do you even know the payment schedules?

[Cos]

Personally if they let RCMP die and they are forced to move, maybe we can get a better track and attract some events again. Christ if we had MotoGP or Canadian Superbike, or Indy, or God Forbid an F1 race sometime I would spend my money there.

10 years ago when Race City HAD superbike I went once but I was fairly young so getting a ride there was difficult before I bought my car.

Point being I almost want to vote for the guy who supports closing race city but knows we need a new track elsewhere.







Just an FYI I have used the full track and mini track at race city for a few events. The only thing I havent used the full track for is a car.

[Thaco]

Originally posted by secretstreet



Once again spreading rumors.

There was no late payments. Do you even know the payment schedules?

hey mr secretstreet, since you're such good buddies with art, and clearly know everything, why dont you ask him about the late payment. it DID happen, there was a verbal agreement between him and the "then" city lease agent, but the verbal agreement was never documented. (and therefore could have never really happened, he said/she said, and the lease agent doesn't work for the city anymore, so nobody will ever know the other side of the story.)

i spent the better part of my life at the track, started working/volunteering there 20 years ago and just recently stopped going once everything became private functions.



personally, i would be sad to see the track go, as i said, i spent the better part of my life there and have a lot of positive memories of the place, but IMO right now, they dont even need to re-designate the place a landfill, it's already there... went from a world class establishment under the ownership of ben doktor, to rubble, under art. The banning of tabacco sponsorships was the first nail in the coffin for that place, took away a LOT of money. Art just does not have the money to support it, and it's not self sufficient anymore, it's a liability for him, and i am surprised he has let it go this long.

[962 kid]

Originally posted by Cos
Personally if they let RCMP die and they are forced to move, maybe we can get a better track and attract some events again. Christ if we had MotoGP or Canadian Superbike, or Indy, or God Forbid an F1 race sometime I would spend my money there.

10 years ago when Race City HAD superbike I went once but I was fairly young so getting a ride there was difficult before I bought my car.

Point being I almost want to vote for the guy who supports closing race city but knows we need a new track elsewhere.


Just an FYI I have used the full track and mini track at race city for a few events. The only thing I havent used the full track for is a car.

We don't need a new track elsewhere, we need a revamped track in the current location. Where exactly do you have in mind when you say elsewhere?

[Cos]

Originally posted by 962 kid


We don't need a new track elsewhere, we need a revamped track in the current location. Where exactly do you have in mind when you say elsewhere?

Honestly it COULD be re-done at the current location. To me it just needs a whole new re-fresh and fresh start. Re-paving and fixing the grandstands wont be enough and if it is extended for 10 or 20 years I dont see them tearing it down and building a great facility.

I mean look at Gilles Villeneuve or even the airport in Edmonton. Patchwork wont fix race city. It needs to be D9'd and started over.

I just think if they are FORCED to rebuild they have a better probability of rebuilding it right.



I dont have an exact location but ones I have seen through work that could be viable are:

- Calaway Park Area (I am working on a job that is hanger style garages now near there)
- On the reserve, dont hold your breath
- Cross Iron Area
- Anywhere in the MD of Bighorn as they seem really good
- Good luck with MD of Foothills

[Thaco]

Originally posted by Cos


Honestly it COULD be re-done at the current location. To me it just needs a whole new re-fresh and fresh start. Re-paving and fixing the grandstands wont be enough and if it is extended for 10 or 20 years I dont see them tearing it down and building a great facility.

I mean look at Gilles Villeneuve or even the airport in Edmonton. Patchwork wont fix race city. It needs to be D9'd and started over.

I just think if they are FORCED to rebuild they have a better probability of rebuilding it right.



I dont have an exact location but ones I have seen through work that could be viable are:

- Calaway Park Area (I am working on a job that is hanger style garages now near there)
- On the reserve, dont hold your breath
- Cross Iron Area
- Anywhere in the MD of Bighorn as they seem really good
- Good luck with MD of Foothills

it really cant be done at the current location, it's the reason that area has been developed AROUND but not INTO, nobody wants a residential area in there... mackenzie, douglasdale, shepherd, they're already too close, the noise is an issue, it needs to be relocated to a rural area. it's half the reason for the "urban sprawl" in the SE because we're developing AROUND it... and the same people who are in favor of keeping the track, are also the ones bitching about the sprawl.

[projekz]

Originally posted by Cos


Honestly it COULD be re-done at the current location. To me it just needs a whole new re-fresh and fresh start. Re-paving and fixing the grandstands wont be enough and if it is extended for 10 or 20 years I dont see them tearing it down and building a great facility.

I mean look at Gilles Villeneuve or even the airport in Edmonton. Patchwork wont fix race city. It needs to be D9'd and started over.

I just think if they are FORCED to rebuild they have a better probability of rebuilding it right.



I dont have an exact location but ones I have seen through work that could be viable are:

- Calaway Park Area (I am working on a job that is hanger style garages now near there)
- On the reserve, dont hold your breath
- Cross Iron Area
- Anywhere in the MD of Bighorn as they seem really good
- Good luck with MD of Foothills


I see your point but I'm scared that it would be years before something like that happens...Unless a big company like Shell steps up and pours money into a project like that, I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Probably looking at 5 to 10 millions for land and another 5 to 10 millions for a track and some facilities...

[Cos]

Originally posted by projekz



I see your point but I'm scared that it would be years before something like that happens...Unless a big company like Shell steps up and pours money into a project like that, I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Probably looking at 5 to 10 millions for land and another 5 to 10 millions for a track and some facilities...

I fear you are right but I also fear your numbers are no where close. Bahrain (land given by the government??) was a couple hundred million if not a billion (estimates are Bahrain is close to 3 billion USD). I dont disagree that the money is staggering. I just wish we could be less short sighted than our province appears to be (I am not talking just race track here, that is for another thread).

I am a born and raised Calgarian and would love nothing more to throw money at this city and its services. However I find that living in BC shows long range plans that Alberta has no idea for. Let alone the rest of the world that actually has 10 year plans. I doubt we even have decent 2 year plans.

[Rui M]

Alberta is starting to suck even more after reading this post. Growing up in southern ontario border to the usa there was probably 8 tracks in a 3 hour radius.

[gregh]

Originally posted by Cos





I dont have an exact location but ones I have seen through work that could be viable are:

- Calaway Park Area (I am working on a job that is hanger style garages now near there)
- On the reserve, dont hold your breath
- Cross Iron Area
- Anywhere in the MD of Bighorn as they seem really good
- Good luck with MD of Foothills

The idea has been tried & VETO'D by all the local MD's, nobody want's a race track in their district, plain & simple.

[Idratherbsidewayz]

Originally posted by Rui M
Alberta is starting to suck even more after reading this post. Growing up in southern ontario border to the usa there was probably 8 tracks in a 3 hour radius.

Yeaaaa, that was great wasn't it. Too bad you had to live in Southern Ontario...

[Tik-Tok]

Maybe we could shut down half of Memorial all summer and use that as a 1/4 mile track. for AutoX, Sunnyside would be decent.

Oh, and excellent new title for the thread.

[D. Dub]

Originally posted by gregh


As usually, another person spouting without knowing 1/10 of the truth.

Race City's lease was valid till 2025 until Bronco Billy & some of his henchmen decided to cancel it without just cause.

Next you'll ask if the lease was valid, why didn't Race City sue?

The answer to that is, they did & the case was before the courts at the time this current extension was worked out. The case is still valid but I think the RC owner was trying to avoid a long & costly legal battle so he took a short term extension that would get him past the life of the current City council & hopefully into the next version of council(& a new mayor) that wouldn't be so tied up with Bronco's secret agendas.

Again, if the business was truly viable and the ownership had been prudent they would have been pro-active and not reactive.

How could they not follow the terms of the lease and then expect a different result? Especially based on the "word" of some city peon.

How is building a landfill in a growing city a "secret agenda"

[Tomaz]

I say we (Albertains) build an epicawesomeness track out at Milo! :)

Only an hour away, lots of land, great elevation changes, and thousands of "Queen's Land" acres that can be used.

All we need is local MP's to hop on board.

[PulsePro]

:facepalm: Since the new title, I thought it was some idiot ranting about his lack of reading skills and voting for Mciver

[m10-power]

Originally posted by D. Dub
Again, if the business was truly viable and the ownership had been prudent they would have been pro-active and not reactive.

How could they not follow the terms of the lease and then expect a different result? Especially based on the "word" of some city peon.

How is building a landfill in a growing city a "secret agenda"

Again where do you come up with this shit? (starting to think the thread was retitled for you)

What is proactive when you have a lease agreement that gets cancelled through bs?

Land fill run off was required in 10+ years, and the track had a good plan to allow the requirement. The whole land fill thing is just more bs to push a long standing for profit business out of business.

The tax rate increase is the same level of bs, how would you react to you home taxes going up 3000%?

[D. Dub]

I can read fine thank you. What I read is that the initial lease was cancelled because it either wasn't renewed on time or a payment was missed. To me that's blatant mismanagement. The city simply doesn't go around cancelling leases when the lessee meets the most basic lease terms.

Besides, in the first place, what good is a 5 year renewal term for a business that needs to make substantial and costly land improvements? You can't just pick and move the improvements. Does not seem viable to me :dunno:

[ShawnB]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/columnists/Corbella+voting/3670216/story.html


Me and my family are voting for Ric .....

Shawn

[atgilchrist]

Corbella has been fawning over McIver since her Sun days, I wouldn't use her endorsment alone as a deciding factor.

The should indeed be a track in the Calgary area, but using is criteria alone to elect the next mayor seems extremely short-sighted and silly to me.

[beyond_ban]

I've been Rick form day 1 and i see no reason to switch over. I think Nenshi is overly zealous in his plans for the city, much like a new cop is overly zealous with regards to up holding the law. I think he will be overwhelmed and will not cope well under pressure. Give him a few years of experience and he would be a much more legitimate contender in my eyes.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by beyond_ban
I think he will be overwhelmed and will not cope well under pressure. Give him a few years of experience and he would be a much more legitimate contender in my eyes.

Yeah, but at the same time his inexperience could be an asset. No previously formed backroom deals to live up to, and no predispositions from alderman who are already in seat (it's pretty obvious some alderman have a hate for McIver)

I'm on the fence between the 2. Haven't paid much attention to anyone else, and I just can't vote for Higgins (or any other TV personality for that matter)

[Tomaz]

Originally posted by atgilchrist
Corbella has been fawning over McIver since her Sun days, I wouldn't use her endorsment alone as a deciding factor.

The should indeed be a track in the Calgary area, but using is criteria alone to elect the next mayor seems extremely short-sighted and silly to me.

It depends on what holds strong and true to your beliefs.

People in this city are voting on the basis of Chicken Coops in backyards. Just saying.

[Tram Common]

Wait.. wait.. wait...

... the Royal Canadian Mounted Police own Race City?! :bigpimp:

It doesn't matter who you vote for. This city's problems go beyond a new mayor... although it might be a good start.

[Sorath]

Lol, mciver just came into my work and i just shook his hand.

[beyond_ban]

^ Did he win your vote?

[Sorath]

I dont think im gonna vote tbh, if i were to, i`d probably vote nenshi

i just threw away the flyer he gave to me :rofl:

[veedubin69]

Originally posted by Sorath
I dont think im gonna vote tbh, if i were to, i`d probably vote nenshi

i just threw away the flyer he gave to me :rofl:

What a failed democratic system.

If you were to have a choice you'd vote somebody?
That sounds lame, you do have a choice, it's called an election. Let me guess, you want the voting booth to come to you.

If we loose our race track with our new mayor what do you with all your mods and monies spent on car related items? I know what you'll do then on a Friday night, you'll snuggle up with your homeboys and watch the Housewifes of Orange County marathon followed by countless hours of Sex and the City.

I guess there's always street racing, and then only traffic lawyers will benifit mostly.

[RecoilS14]

Lovin the thread title now.

[talonboi]

Originally posted by veedubin69


What a failed democratic system.

If you were to have a choice you'd vote somebody?
That sounds lame, you do have a choice, it's called an election. Let me guess, you want the voting booth to come to you.

If we loose our race track with our new mayor what do you with all your mods and monies spent on car related items? I know what you'll do then on a Friday night, you'll snuggle up with your homeboys and watch the Housewifes of Orange County marathon followed by countless hours of Sex and the City.

I guess there's always street racing, and then only traffic lawyers will benifit mostly.

who cares, race city is trash. they should just let it die and build another one

[D. Dub]

Mercy killing

[Sugarphreak]

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[Zewind]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Brent Mielke's (Ward 6 Candidate) Response to my question about Race City stance.




Fixed
:burnout:

[MGCM]

copy/pasted from cscc forum, please vote for these people, they will help ensure race city remains at it's current location and gets rebuilt into a quality facility that everybody will enjoy.


Dear Motorsport Enthusiasts

Over the past 3 years, the Calgary motorsport community has been threatened with the loss of Race City Motorsport Park. Somewhere along the way, city administration lost sight of the fact that Race City is an important venue to maintain for Calgarians, and they made other plans for the city-owned land that Race City occupies. By the time that these plans were communicated to Race City owner Art Mackenzie, the public, and city council, administration had progressed so far down this path that it seemed Race City was doomed.

The motorsports community has banded together through the Motorsports Council of Calgary to oppose the termination of the Race City lease with the City of Calgary. We have so far received support from about half of the aldermen, led by alderman and now candidate for mayor, Ric McIvor.
Council did not support a lease extension in Feb 2009, but Ric McIver tried again and on Sept 28 2009 city council directed city administration to work out a deal to extend the lease with Race City to 2015, which resulted in another two year deal (2010 - 2011).

It is important that we continue to support aldermanic candidates and a mayor that support Race City and/or motorsports in the City of Calgary.

This Monday October 18, we collectively have the opportunity to reach another milestone in the battle to maintain a motorsports venue in Calgary.
Our research shows that we have the opportunity to elect a motorsport friendly City Council. While we held a slim majority in the past, we were missing the most important part, a motorsports friendly mayor.

We urge you, and your family and friends to get out and Vote for Ric McIver for Mayor, and vote for the motorsport friendly Alderman that represents the ward you live in. Visit www.motorsportcouncilofcalgary.ca for further info.

The Aldermanic picks are as follows:
Ward 1: Dale Hodges
Ward 2: Joe Magliocca
Ward 3: Jim Stevenson
Ward 4: Brad Northcott
Ward 5: Ray Jones
Ward 6: Brent Mielke
Ward 7: Kevin Taylor
Ward 8: John Mar
Ward 9: Mike Pal
Ward 10: Andre Chabot
Ward 11: James Maxim
Ward 12: Shane Keating
Ward 13: Diane Colley-Urquhart
Ward 14: Richard Dur

Your vote is important, and the future of motorsports in Calgary depends on it.

Sincerely,
Motorsport Council of Calgary

[spikerS]

Originally posted by MGCM
copy/pasted from cscc forum, please vote for these people, they will help ensure race city remains at it's current location and gets rebuilt into a quality facility that everybody will enjoy.



I will be voting along these lines.

What is also fails to say is to make sure that Ric McIver gets voted in as mayor as well.

[MGCM]

Originally posted by spikers


I will be voting along these lines.

What is also fails to say is to make sure that Ric McIver gets voted in as mayor as well.

I have a feeling that Ric has a strong chance of winning but Nenshi has huge support from younger population in Calgary that usually does not vote, if a large portion of them voted for Nenshi he would have a huge leap forward, I consider that to be 100% plausible tomorrow, we shall see over the next 30 hours how that plays out.

[Kittens11]

Well lets hope that most of the people on beyond do vote Mciver and the alderman listed above. I know 10 people including myself that are all voting Mciver because of race city, and we just think he has the most experience for the job, and we are all under 20. A couple of us have even managed to sway are parents. I know my mom was on the Higgins train at first just because she was a women and she was on the news.... I don't think voting for someone because they want to keep something you enjoy "such as motorsports" alive in your city is stupid, but to vote for someone just because of their sex and you have seen them on the news...that is stupid. And really that seems to be all barb has going for her, from what i can tell she really does not seem to have many of her own issues.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Nissanaddict]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
I think Nenshi is all social media hype, it is only perhaps 500 people flooding all of the forums, comment sections of stories and doing polls creating an illusion that he is a lot more popular than he really is. I am pegging him at 23% support tops, although it wouldn't surprise me if he got a lot less than that once everything is said and done. Ultimately time will tell.

My biggest concern is the senior vote will screw us all... they go out in droves and vote for the most recognizable name, in this case it will be Barb Higgins.

That, and the conservative McIver vote as well. While I'll be voting Nenshi tomorrow, I'm not going to go say that everyone who voted for him simply weighed all the issues. He will get votes on hype. Out of my age group (mid 20s), almost everyone who's been vocal about it has been supporting Nenshi.

[spikerS]

well, on the eve of election day, i made a few observations.

I worked on the McIver campaign. nothing major, just putting up signs and such. But this is just what I noticed in the NE communities of Taradale, Martindale and Saddleridge.

Nenshi signs are almost non-existent. Only ones I noticed were some stickers on a couple Wayne Stewart signs stating that he now supports Nenshi, but they are so small, unless you stop and read it, you would not even notice them.


Barb Higgins signs are everywhere, but that is to be expected with CTV bank rolling her. She has more of the small signs than anyone, and almost as many 4'x4' signs. Who ever is putting out her campaign signs does not seem to care for local bylaws on sign placements.

McIver signs, about 2/3rds of what Higgins has, but more strategically placed, and in a more noticable way. about even on 4'x4' signs and 4'x8' signs, again more strategically placed. Apparently, McIver has had almost 9000 signs stolen, destroyed or mutilated, and apparently, those are not counting the ones that are damaged by wind and weather, at least that is what I was told last night at McIver campaign HQ.

So from this, and my own facebook and internet usage, I have these conclusions, which really are not news to anyone.

Nenshi has poured most of his war chest into advertising with social media outlets like twitter and facebook, google ads, and spreading this 30 min video on what needs to change and how he has experience.

Higgins is a puppet. Almost all her signs is just her face. Who ever controls the strings is banking on that recognition. We all know Higgins' only experience is looking pretty for the camera and reading a teleprompter, but to the masses, it is a recognizable face. I don't think I have seen an ad for her online outside of a CTV website.

McIver is playing on the Albertans love for Conservatives. Even his campaign colors are blue with red accents. Has spent considerable amount of cash on social media, but if it is less than 10% of what Nenshi spent, I would not be surprised. He seems to be playing more the chess match while the other 2 are just trying to throw enough paint to get it to stick to the walls so people will see them.

Who do I think will win? I don't think Nenshi will, for the simple reason of, he is geared to the younger crown, 18-25, who, just by their nature, will inevitably find something better to do.

Higgins has a chance due to her face and bankroll. The older people, 45+, all watch the news and see her, and in that role, trust her. They don't realize someone has her strings.

Mciver has a chance as well. Alberta, and especially Calgary, loves to vote conservative, and he has made it known he is a conservative.

I think it is a close race between Higgins and McIver. I don't think I want to publicly pick a winner, but I hope McIver does.