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CUG
10-08-2010, 12:49 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/fbi-tracking-device/
http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/dmh5s/does_this_mean_the_fbi_is_after_us/
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2010/10/GPS-Tracking-Device.jpg

Wow, I always thought those GPS's would be a little more discreet.


A California student got a visit from the FBI this week after he found a secret GPS tracking device on his car, and a friend posted photos of it online. The post prompted wide speculation about whether the device was real, whether the young Arab-American was being targeted in a terrorism investigation and what the authorities would do.

It took just 48 hours to find out: The device was real, the student was being secretly tracked and the FBI wanted their expensive device back, the student told Wired.com in an interview Wednesday.

The answer came when half-a-dozen FBI agents and police officers appeared at Yasir Afifi’s apartment complex in Santa Clara, California, on Tuesday demanding he return the device.

Afifi, a 20-year-old U.S.-born citizen, cooperated willingly and said he’d done nothing to merit attention from authorities. Comments the agents made during their visit suggested he’d been under FBI surveillance for three to six months.

An FBI spokesman wouldn’t acknowledge that the device belonged to the agency or that agents appeared at Afifi’s house.

“I can’t really tell you much about it, because it’s still an ongoing investigation,” said spokesman Pete Lee, who works in the agency’s San Francisco headquarters.

Afifi, the son of an Islamic-American community leader who died a year ago in Egypt, is one of only a few people known to have found a government-tracking device on their vehicle.

His discovery comes in the wake of a recent ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals saying it’s legal for law enforcement to secretly place a tracking device on a suspect’s car without getting a warrant, even if the car is parked in a private driveway.

Brian Alseth from the American Civil Liberties Union in Washington state contacted Afifi after seeing pictures of the tracking device posted online and told him the ACLU had been waiting for a case like this to challenge the ruling.

“This is the kind of thing we like to throw lawyers at,” Afifi said Alseth told him.

“It seems very frightening that the FBI have placed a surveillance-tracking device on the car of a 20-year-old American citizen who has done nothing more than being half-Egyptian,” Alseth told Wired.com

Afifi, a business marketing student at Mission College in Santa Clara, discovered the device last Sunday when he took his car to a local garage for an oil change. When a mechanic at Ali’s Auto Care raised his Ford Lincoln LS on hydraulic lifts, Afifi saw a wire sticking out near the right rear wheel and exhaust.

Garage owner Mazher Khan confirmed for Wired.com that he also saw it. A closer inspection showed it connected to a battery pack and transmitter, which were attached to the car with a magnet. Khan asked Afifi if he wanted the device removed and when Afifi said yes, Khan pulled it easily from the car’s chassis.

“I wouldn’t have noticed it if there wasn’t a wire sticking out,” Afifi said.

Later that day, a friend of Afifi’s named Khaled posted pictures of the device at Reddit asking if anyone knew what it was and if it mean the FBI “is after us.” (Reddit is owned by CondeNast Digital, which also owns Wired.com).

“My plan was to just put the device on another car or in a lake,” Khaled wrote, “but when you come home to 2 stoned off their asses people who are hearing things in the device and convinced its a bomb you just gotta be sure.”

A reader quickly identified it as an Orion Guardian ST820 tracking device made by an electronics company called Cobham, which sells the device only to law enforcement.

No one was available at Cobham to answer Wired.com’s questions, but a former FBI agent who looked at the pictures confirmed it was a tracking device.

The former agent, who asked not to be named, said the device was an older model of tracking equipment that had long ago been replaced by devices that don’t require batteries. Batteries die and need to be replaced if surveillance is ongoing so newer devices are placed in the engine compartment and hardwired to the car’s battery so they don’t run out of juice. He was surprised this one was so easily found.

“It has to be able to be removed but also stay in place and not be seen,” he said. “There’s always the possibility that the car will end up at a body shop or auto mechanic, so it has to be hidden well. It’s very rare when the guys find them.”

He said he was certain that agents who installed it would have obtained a 30-day warrant for its use.

Afifi considered selling the device on Craigslist before the FBI showed up. He was in his apartment Tuesday afternoon when a roommate told him “two sneaky-looking people” were near his car. Afifi, already heading out for an appointment, encountered a man and woman looking his vehicle outside. The man asked if Afifi knew his registration tag was expired. When Afifi asked if it bothered him, the man just smiled. Afifi got into his car and headed for the parking lot exit when two SUVs pulled up with flashing lights carrying four police officers in bullet-proof vests.

The agent who initially spoke with Afifi identified himself then as Vincent and told Afifi, “We’re here to recover the device you found on your vehicle. It’s federal property. It’s an expensive piece, and we need it right now.”

Afifi asked, “Are you the guys that put it there?” and the agent replied, “Yeah, I put it there.” He told Afifi, “We’re going to make this much more difficult for you if you don’t cooperate.”

Afifi retrieved the device from his apartment and handed it over, at which point the agents asked a series of questions – did he know anyone who traveled to Yemen or was affiliated with overseas training? One of the agents produced a printout of a blog post that Afifi’s friend Khaled allegedly wrote a couple of months ago. It had “something to do with a mall or a bomb,” Afifi said. He hadn’t seen it before and doesn’t know the details of what it said. He found it hard to believe Khaled meant anything threatening by the post.

“He’s a smart kid and is not affiliated with anything extreme and never says anything stupid like that,” Afifi said. “I’ve known that guy my whole life. “

The agents told Afifi they had other agents outside Khaled’s house.

“If you want us to call them off and not talk to him we can do that,” Afifi said they told him. “That was weird. [...] I didn’t really believe anything they were saying.”

When he later asked Khaled about the post, his friend recalled “writing something stupid,” but said he wasn’t involved in any wrongdoing. Khaled declined to discuss the issue with Wired.com.

The female agent, who handed Afifi a card, identified herself as Jennifer Kanaan and said she was Lebanese. She spoke some Arabic to Afifi and through the course of her comments indicated she knew what restaurants he and his girlfriend frequented. She also congratulated him on his new job. Afifi got laid off from his job a couple of days ago, but on the same day was hired as an international sales manager of laptops and computers for Cal Micro in San Jose.

The agents also knew he was planning a short business trip to Dubai in a few weeks. Afifi said he often travels for business and has two teenage brothers in Egypt whom he supports financially. They live with an aunt. His U.S.-born mother, who divorced his father five years ago, lives in Arizona.

Afifi’s father, Aladdin Afifi, was a U.S. citizen and former president of the Muslim Community Association here,
before his family moved to Egypt in 2003. Yasir Afifi returned to the U.S. alone in 2008, while his father and brothers stayed in Egypt, to further his education he said. He knows he’s on a federal watchlist and is regularly taken aside at airports for secondary screening.

Six months ago, a former roommate of his was visited by FBI agents who said they wanted to speak with Afifi. Afifi contacted one agent and was told the agency received an anonymous tip from someone saying he might be a threat to national security. Afifi told the agent he was willing to answer questions if his lawyer approved. But after Afifi’s lawyer contacted the agency, he never heard from the feds again until he found their tracking device.

“I don’t think they were surprised that I found it,” he told Threat Level. “I’m sure they knew when I found it. [...] One of the first questions they asked me was if I was at a mechanics shop last Sunday. I said yes, that’s where I found this stupid device under my car.”

Afifi’s attorney, who works for the civil liberties-focused Council on American Islamic Relations, said this kind of tracking is more egregious than the kind her office usually sees.

“The idea that it escalates to this level is unusual,” said Zahra Billoo. “We take about one new case each week relating to FBI or law enforcement visits [to clients]. Generally they come to the individual’s house or workplace, and there are issues that arise from that.”

However, she said that after learning about Afifi’s experience, other lawyers in her organization told her they knew of two people in Ohio who also recently discovered tracking devices on their vehicles.

Afifi’s encounter with the FBI ended with the agents telling him not to worry.

“We have all the information we needed,” they told him. “You don’t need to call your lawyer. Don’t worry, you’re boring. "

They shook his hand and left.

broken_legs
10-08-2010, 12:55 PM
There be no shelter here...

Phenix
10-08-2010, 01:31 PM
too bad he didn't sell that shit faster. that would have been funny

spike98
10-08-2010, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Phenix
too bad he didn't sell that shit faster. that would have been funny

Or toss it under a taxi cab ahah

BrknFngrs
10-08-2010, 01:42 PM
The best part of these stories is how the person always claims that there is no possible reason why they are being observed by law enforcement. Friends posting about bombs in a mall? Meh, minor detail.

adam c
10-08-2010, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by CUG
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/fbi-tracking-device/
http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/dmh5s/does_this_mean_the_fbi_is_after_us/
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2010/10/GPS-Tracking-Device.jpg

Wow, I always thought those GPS's would be a little more discreet.



seems normal, I'm sure the long tube is a battery pack since they can't tie the power into the car, the device is around the same size as the one's we use at the office for fleet tracking

Sugarphreak
10-08-2010, 01:46 PM
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Phenix
10-08-2010, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Or a long haul trucker, fuck that would be funny

"Oh shit, he driving directly to New York!!"

He's going to mexico. lol or on a rail car

JfuckinC
10-08-2010, 02:01 PM
Or throw it to the FBI off your balcony haha :rofl:

badatusrnames
10-08-2010, 02:03 PM
Fedex it to Yemen...

CUG
10-08-2010, 02:04 PM
Poor bastard. Now they know which fat chicks he dragged home from the bar.

badatusrnames
10-08-2010, 02:08 PM
Note, here's the post in question:

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ciiag/so_if_my_deodorant_could_be_a_bomb_why_are_you/c0sve5q


bombing a mall seems so easy to do. i mean all you really need is a bomb, a regular outfit so you arent the crazy guy in a trench coat trying to blow up a mall and a shopping bag. i mean if terrorism were actually a legitimate threat, think about how many fucking malls would have blown up already.. you can put a bag in a million different places, there would be no way to foresee the next target, and really no way to prevent it unless CTU gets some intel at the last minute in which case every city but LA is fucked...so...yea...now i'm surely bugged : /

I think the FBI needs some better things to do. It's a little alarming that this is all it takes to get yourself put under surveillance. I mean, some of the things people say on here while e-thugging, if taken out of context could bring some serious heat.

DayGlow
10-08-2010, 02:36 PM
If the States are like Canada they would have needed a warrant to do it, so they would have convinced a Judge that it was needed. Who knows what else they have other than an internet posting.

ryder_23
10-08-2010, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by DayGlow
If the States are like Canada they would have needed a warrant to do it, so they would have convinced a Judge that it was needed. Who knows what else they have other than an internet posting.



His discovery comes in the wake of a recent ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals saying it’s legal for law enforcement to secretly place a tracking device on a suspect’s car without getting a warrant, even if the car is parked in a private driveway.

Godfuader
10-08-2010, 03:05 PM
Oh lord. After all the postings I have made referencing the words Muslims/Terrorist on a variety of threads, including playing devil's advocate, makes me a potential e-terrorist.

Shit...brb...gonna check our Rav downstairs for loose wires. :nut:

DayGlow
10-08-2010, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by ryder_23
His discovery comes in the wake of a recent ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals saying it’s legal for law enforcement to secretly place a tracking device on a suspect’s car without getting a warrant, even if the car is parked in a private driveway.



Missed that. Wow, that's just a little over the top.

sillysod
10-08-2010, 03:23 PM
its the FBI too, i think they play by a different rule book then the regular LEO's do.

Canmorite
10-09-2010, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by sillysod
its the FBI too, i think they play by a different rule book then the regular LEO's do.

FBI? Rules? :rofl:

I would have kept the device, or put it under a cop car haha.

derpderp
10-09-2010, 11:45 AM
He should have really just attached it to a ship, that will show em' or extreme mode: attach it to a spaceship

This reminds me of a show called the wire, the police are watching some drug dealers with a pin-hole camera but they find it and take it, since they took the expensive camera from the lock-up without proper authority they are forced to get it back from the guy.

JustGo
10-09-2010, 03:16 PM
One of the agents produced a printout of a blog post that Afifi’s friend Khaled allegedly wrote a couple of months ago. It had “something to do with a mall or a bomb,” Afifi said. He hadn’t seen it before and doesn’t know the details of what it said. He found it hard to believe Khaled meant anything threatening by the post.


'something to do with a mall or a bomb'...???

Isn't that like saying September 11th was "something to do with a plane or a building"?

How ridiculous is this kid. Based on that statement alone he should be monitored.

'No big deal, it was just a note my life long friend wrote about BLOWING UP A FUCKIN' MALL. I had a quick glance at the blog post they produced. I don't think he's that bad of a guy.'

Something to do with a mall or a bomb. Yeah, seems like a smart kid.

Tik-Tok
10-09-2010, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by JustGo


blah blah blah

How about you read the thread? Especially the post by badatusernames that has the direct quote of the kids friend.

I wouldn't consider what his friend typed on a website worthy of monitoring everyone he knows.

JustGo
10-09-2010, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by Tik-Tok


How about you read the thread? Especially the post by badatusernames that has the direct quote of the kids friend.

I wouldn't consider what his friend typed on a website worthy of monitoring everyone he knows.
I did read the whole thread. So what if he doesn't directly indicate he's going to blow up a mall, you think what he said is an innocent statement?

Someone writes a blog saying "It would be so easy to kill (your name here). He goes to work at (this time) everyday, and comes home at (this time) every day. You could set up with a gun on (this building) and get him in the morning, or hide in the bush on the corner of (random intersection) and get him there in the afternoon."

But that blog is 'something about a gun and a bush...' I suppose, and completely irrelevant and harmless.

I never once said it's worthy of monitoring everyone he knows, apparently it's YOU that needs to 'read the whole thread'. But a kid with such an indifferent attitude to his friends blog post about how to blow up a mall 'easily'... yeah, the GPS is a little extreme, but if it prevents one terrorist attack, I'm all for it.

I know I'll never have a GPS slapped on me, cause I don't make such ridiculous statements, or associate with people who do.

googe
10-09-2010, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by JustGo

I did read the whole thread. So what if he doesn't directly indicate he's going to blow up a mall, you think what he said is an innocent statement?

Someone writes a blog saying "It would be so easy to kill (your name here). He goes to work at (this time) everyday, and comes home at (this time) every day. You could set up with a gun on (this building) and get him in the morning, or hide in the bush on the corner of (random intersection) and get him there in the afternoon."

But that blog is 'something about a gun and a bush...' I suppose, and completely irrelevant and harmless.

I never once said it's worthy of monitoring everyone he knows, apparently it's YOU that needs to 'read the whole thread'. But a kid with such an indifferent attitude to his friends blog post about how to blow up a mall 'easily'... yeah, the GPS is a little extreme, but if it prevents one terrorist attack, I'm all for it.

I know I'll never have a GPS slapped on me, cause I don't make such ridiculous statements, or associate with people who do.

:rolleyes:

Reading comprehension: it isn't for everyone.


Yeah, this is pretty ridiculous. Dude lives near me too. I'm glad my tax money funds these clowns that watched too many spy movies and never grew up. Thanks for saving us from the terrorists, feds!

JustGo
10-09-2010, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by googe


:rolleyes:

Reading comprehension: it isn't for everyone.


Yeah, this is pretty ridiculous. Dude lives near me too. I'm glad my tax money funds these clowns that watched too many spy movies and never grew up. Thanks for saving us from the terrorists, feds!
Whatever.

Anyone who's stupid enough to post 'something about a mall or a bomb' on the internet, and they live in the good old US of A, shouldn't be surprised, is all I'm saying.

And anyone who associates with said stupid person, who attempts to down play 'something about a mall or a bomb' shouldn't be surprised either.

Make up some 'reading comprehension' BS all you want, but that's just reality.

Tik-Tok
10-09-2010, 05:40 PM
I've discussed with co-workers numerous ways of bypassing security at the airport (where I work), and places that would be easy to hide anything, because of the lackluster security. So you're pretty much saying I should be tracked and assessed for something I discussed with no motivations other than to point out the flaws in the system?

JustGo
10-09-2010, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by Tik-Tok
I've discussed with co-workers numerous ways of bypassing security at the airport (where I work), and places that would be easy to hide anything, because of the lackluster security. So you're pretty much saying I should be tracked and assessed for something I discussed with no motivations other than to point out the flaws in the system?
No, you're saying that because you have a vested interest in the security of the airport, and are being constructive with ways to improve it to fellow employees.

Does this guy work at the mall? Is he bringing these points up to mall security so they can use his ideas in a constructive way to prevent terrorist actions? No, he's mouthing off about how it's easy to blow up a mall. On the internet. In the USA. Where that kind of thing (in case you haven't noticed) is kind of frowned upon for the last, oh, 10 years or so.

I know he probably didn't mean any real threat by it. You know he didn't mean any real threat by it. But if you're going to tell me that you didn't think the US would take something like this seriously, you must live in a bubble. They'll dig in your butthole for a bomb if you even say the word in an airport. They tend to not joke around about stuff like that. I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying it's true, and I'm not surprised.

xxviet
10-09-2010, 07:45 PM
you can tell the fbi needs something to do

Super_Geo
10-09-2010, 08:09 PM
JustGo... you still don't get it, do you? Re-read his statement and pay attention to the bold sentence:


bombing a mall seems so easy to do. i mean all you really need is a bomb, a regular outfit so you arent the crazy guy in a trench coat trying to blow up a mall and a shopping bag. i mean if terrorism were actually a legitimate threat, think about how many fucking malls would have blown up already.. you can put a bag in a million different places, there would be no way to foresee the next target, and really no way to prevent it unless CTU gets some intel at the last minute in which case every city but LA is fucked...so...yea...now i'm surely bugged : /

What he is saying makes perfect sense. If there were people really committed to carrying out terrorist acts on US soil it would be very easy to carry out at malls, almost impossible to stop. What he's saying in the post is that THE FACT THAT MALLS DON'T GET BOMBED ALL THE TIME SHOWS HOW OVERBLOWN THE TERRORIST THREAT REALLY IS.

Take your time, read it twice, think it over... I'm sure you'll get it eventually.

JustGo
10-10-2010, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by Super_Geo
JustGo... you still don't get it, do you? Re-read his statement and pay attention to the bold sentence:



What he is saying makes perfect sense. If there were people really committed to carrying out terrorist acts on US soil it would be very easy to carry out at malls, almost impossible to stop. What he's saying in the post is that THE FACT THAT MALLS DON'T GET BOMBED ALL THE TIME SHOWS HOW OVERBLOWN THE TERRORIST THREAT REALLY IS.

Take your time, read it twice, think it over... I'm sure you'll get it eventually.
I KNOW IT ISN'T A REAL THREAT. I KNOW IT'S NOT WORDED AS ANY THREAT WHAT SO EVER! I've said that. You're the third person to try and slag my reading comprehension, that still fails to realize MY point.

It's the United States. They are anal about that type of thing. I am not the United States, nor do I represent them. I am just smart enough to know that if the dude uses the words 'bomb' and 'terrorist' on a web page in the US, he's going to be looked at. What's hard to understand about what I'm saying? I never said he's going to blow up the world, I said he posted something stupid on the internet (which he did) and the United States is touchy about that stuff (which they are).

It doesn't matter what the dude wrote in his blog. It contained 'mall', it contained 'terrorist', and it contained 'bomb'. He's an idiot. Was it harmless? Hell yes, and we can all see that. But it's not a huge secret that the government takes it seriously.

Type_S1
10-10-2010, 08:03 AM
That is crazy. I wonder how much that thing would even be worth if they wanted it back so bad. Fedex to yemen would have been the ultimate payback :rofl:

ryder_23
10-10-2010, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by DayGlow


Missed that. Wow, that's just a little over the top.

Ya pretty effing ridiculous if you ask me.