90 mustang 5.0 vs 95 integra gsr

[mikey_p]

What's the pro's and cons to each? I'm looking for a fun summer car. I have a daily driver for winter. Both are good condition and exactly the same condition/mileage and price (within couple hundred $$)..

[D911]

well choose between if you want a mullet or spew vtak all over the roads.

[dirtsniffer]

imo mustang would make a better carm if your looking for speed anyways

[AE92_TreunoSC]

simple deal breaker

if the mustang has red interior, then you buy the integra

[M.alex]

5.0 - 5.000000000000000000! :burnout:


integra - gay

Good summary?

[theken]

Mustang. More fun better base, easier to mod, lots in junkyard for parts cheaper to maintain.

[mikey_p]

Originally posted by AE92_TreunoSC
simple deal breaker

if the mustang has red interior, then you buy the integra


Nope. Interior is in good condition and grey/black in color. It's a lx hatch 5.0

[StreetRacerX]

I would go Mustang, easy to make lots of power with a reasonably small budget.

I would also prefer RWD over FWD.

I can't really think of any other reasons I would choose the Mustang, the rest is up to you.

I'm not overly familiar with either cars so I would recommend researching them on their respective message boards before making a decision.

[Ekliptix]

I'm guessing your daily driver is closer to an Integra then the mustang (not a V8, not rwd).

Mustang ftw because torque is addicting. I owned an Integra, drove my friends 5.0 and have been in the V8 game since (with a brief STi experience).

It'll handle like shit if it's stock, but it's still fun.

[slinkie]

Originally posted by M.alex
5.0 - 5.000000000000000000! :burnout:


integra - gay

Good summary?

agree with this, but prepare for 90% of beyond to tell you to get the integra because of 'amazing handling' or vtec

[Awd-Tsi]

The mustang has thing thing called torque. The integra... Well it makes power at 5k

[Bizzareo]

RWD enough said

[slinkie]

Originally posted by Awd-Tsi
The mustang has thing thing called torque. The integra... Well it makes noise at 5k

[mikey_p]

Originally posted by Ekliptix
I'm guessing your daily driver is closer to an Integra then the mustang (not a V8, not rwd).

Mustang ftw because torque is addicting. I owned an Integra, drove my friends 5.0 and have been in the V8 game since (with a brief STi experience).

It'll handle like shit if it's stock, but it's still fun.

Well kinda. My daily driver is a pathfinder now. I sold my cts to get the wifey a new vehicle. So with that said I need a fun summer car to make me smile.

[BigBadVlad]

Power is a subjective term...

[Kloubek]

Chances are you'd be happier with the Mustang. It is rare you would truly use the better handling of the Acura, but as stated, you can use torque anywhere you want.

Torque=fun.

[Shlade]

Mustang all the way. The 5.0 is a very solid motor.

Easy easy to make power on, parts are rather inexpensive, and for $2800 you can toss a paxton on there and be more than happy with a street warrior.

Full exhaust, Chip, Paxton and some new gears and that thing will be a monster.

Im not bias at all I swear...

[Ukyo8]

mustang :thumbsup:

http://www.majumdar.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/fwd-sucks-300x150.jpg

[streethondas]

Let me be the first to suggest the gsr

Cheap on gas, fun to mod and great in all season!

[Vr4Whore]

Mustang..... gsr is slow...

there are many rhd cars that are much better than both of your choices for similar price if you don't mind rhd

[Sentry]

Originally posted by Kloubek
Chances are you'd be happier with the Mustang. It is rare you would truly use the better handling of the Acura, but as stated, you can use torque anywhere you want.

Torque=fun.
I agree.

Turbo the Integra and have both. ;)

[jacky4566]

Why has now one talked about budget. you can get a fast integra for 4~5k where a mustang will cost 10k at least. Also I4 is much easier to work on, v8= twice the parts to break.

[texasnick]

Originally posted by jacky4566
Why has now one talked about budget. you can get a fast integra for 4~5k where a mustang will cost 10k at least. Also I4 is much easier to work on, v8= twice the parts to break.

Please point me in the direction of a fast DC2 for 4-5k.

OP, what are the prices of both cars? Are you dead set on either of these?

I'm not a mustang guy, I've always been into the Honduh's. That said, I'm sure the integra will be more fun at low speed, windy driving (especially with a decent suspension set up), and the mustang will be fun to just punch the throttle on the road, at any speed, in any gear, and have it push you back in the seat.

I know hondas' are easy to work on. They're like legos. Not sure about ease of modification / maintenance for the mustang.

[Shlade]

Mods for the Foxbody mustang are honestly fairly easy to do.

Infact Im almost sure you wont break as much bank for suspension parts on a mustang as you would on an honda.

Easy to work on, the quick as is and you can find yourself a good project 5.0 in decent shape from 3500-5000$$

I wouldnt pay for more honestly than that tho. Anything under 3500 Ive noticed is garbage and anything over $5000 is just stupidly overpriced for the thing. Unless its got a built block, suspension work.. the works basically.

In the end, OP its a matter of what you like. Go try out both cars and make the decision for yourself.

[inline6turbo]

Originally posted by jacky4566
Why has now one talked about budget. you can get a fast integra for 4~5k where a mustang will cost 10k at least. Also I4 is much easier to work on, v8= twice the parts to break.


least knowledgable post of the thread





I'd say Mustang all the way. I have had several 5.0s now. All of them were hella fun to bomb around in. You can get a huge single turbo kit, with all supporting mods, for $2400 and run 11s, 10s with nitrous and still be easily daily driven. I'd suggest spending a little more on suspension upgrades, just to be safe. Cheapest car for parts I've had, although the EG civics came close.

Gas mileage is great for a v8 but all the civic guys might laugh at the numbers. On a full tank I usually averaged 475kms in the city. Tank was about 45$ to fill with regular.

If you buy a bone stock, unmolested 5.0, no intake or exhaust, you're looking at roughly 190hp/250torque to the wheels. So even in stock form, super fun.

And the good thing, the value or unmolested 5.0s is going up, so you don't have to worry about losing money even if you drive the snot out of it for 2 years.

[texasnick]

Originally posted by inline6turbo

You can get a huge single turbo kit, with all supporting mods, for $2400 and run 11s, 10s with nitrous and still be easily daily driven.

:drool: I've been dicking around with the wrong engines.

[taemo]

after having owned an integra.. the only other integra I would bother driving is a type-R

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by Sentry

I agree.

Turbo the Integra and have both. ;)

If he only has money to buy a Foxbody or an Integra, I doubt he has the money to drop in a turbo. And even WITH a turbo, the torque still isn't great with the Acura.

A turbo would, at least, make the Acura more competitive in the feeling of speed though.

[soccernut]

I have had experience owning similar cars (97 Mustang GT, 2006 Civic Coupe)

I personally loved having both vehicles. The mustang was just raw power. You put your foot down and that rear end goes loose (I know sounds bad). Its a great feeling. But you MUST get a manual. Driving an auto Mustang is like wining that $1000/week lottery. you can only get a little bit at a time.

The civic was fun too. The handling is crazy in comparison. Everything seems more refined and clean with Honda's. Not as powerful as the Stang but I never wished I had more power.

Not sure about the after-market for Honda's but I lowered the mustang and installed a "Cat-Less" H-Pipe for less than $500 (This was back in 2002)

Its really a personal preference. Try and think about what you like and dislike about either car and things should get a lot clearer for you.

[94boosted]

Mustang for sure. Like has been said much easier to make power out of a 5.0 then out of the little Honda motor. Handling is nothing to write home about but that's nothing some basic suspension work + good tires can't fix/alleviate. And there is no lying a Mustang sounds much better with an exhaust than a GSR which sounds like a pop corn maker powered by a lawnmower engine :rofl:

[JRSC00LUDE]

Mustang.

[sillysod]

Originally posted by soccernut
Driving an auto Mustang is like wining that $1000/week lottery. you can only get a little bit at a time.
:rofl:

[Cos]

Originally posted by theken
Mustang. More fun better base, easier to mod, lots in junkyard for parts cheaper to maintain.

that is all

[Toma]

Yeah, really... stick or auto Stang?

If it's an auto, FOR SURE buy the GSR, its a faster car stock for stock lol.

Mustangs are ok. The brakes REALLY suck, the Handling REALLY sucks, the mileage sucks.

Aside from using nitrous, I bet it would be easier/cheaper to make 300 hp from the Integra over the Mustang....

[beyond_ban]

Integra. Looks better, reliable as fuck, cheap on gas and you won't get into as much trouble going 2x the speed limit.

[Shlade]

Originally posted by beyond_ban
Integra. Looks better, reliable as fuck, cheap on gas and you won't get into as much trouble going 2x the speed limit.

Thats because it has no power to go 2x over the speed limit :rofl:

[davesparky6]

If it was your only car... Integra.
But its not, so go with the Mustang. It'll be way more fun and the Forest Lawn mullet-mobiles that used to be everywhere are starting to disappear.

[n1zm0]

fun summer car for what did you have in mind mostly?

off the bat, the 2 cars offer 2 different characteristics right from stock, one would be great for cruising the QE2 the other has the potential for 'nimble' driving if you like the twisties.

dump a couple grand into either into the right places... there's only one that will be great for both straight line and curves..

[beyond_ban]

Originally posted by Shlade


Thats because it has no power to go 2x over the speed limit :rofl:

I see you caught my point haha.

[mikey_p]

The mustang is a Manual..

Both cars are priced almost exact and similar mods..

The exhaust and cam are done on the Mustang with an engine rebuild but no known recipet (as always)

The Integra is a GSR swap but with wheels and suspension..

Price for both is around $3000 - $3500

However i must say the integra is neat and looks nicer than a stock LX 5.0 mustang..

I have a dialy driver so this car is mainly just for fun and summer driving. I have had a turbo integra before with other integra's.. Im a integra fan. Never had a Mustang 5.0 and kinda interested in that way..

[Revhard]

The hatches are ok, but the coupe or notchback is far nicer looking IMO.
The 5.0L was a real dog back then, you will be very dissappointed with it if it's stock.
That is kinda cheap for a v8 stang, hopefully it's in decent shape. I'd likely still say buy the stang if you want a "toy" car. The GSR is a fun little car, but you have to drive it at 90% to have any fun. The stang will at least pull from go. If you ever want to winter drive it though, the gsr will be a way better choice.
It's a very strange pair of cars you are hung up on...
If you never plan to modify, I would lean towards the GSR again, but if you will, you can mod a mustang for 1/3 the cost. The parts made for them are mostly medium quality, but they do the job. There are a ton of cheap headers, exhaust, intakes,etc. 250whp would not be very hard to get without going crazy. Stock would for sure be under 200whp, likely 180. So that much more power will feel like a new car.
Either way, hope you have fun with whatever you choose.

[inline6turbo]

I think the main thing here, considering you have a daily, is what are you planning to do?

Also, have you driven an old 5.0 before? Have you taken this one for a test drive? It's the polar opposite of an integra. It handles sloppy, brakes sloppy, and doesn't look as nice (to some people). But the sound. Oh my. Slap long tube headers, x pipes and a big ol' MAC exhaust and it'll rumble and purr and bring a big smile to you face like nothing else.

But it's a tough choice.

You want something to build cheap and run fast, try the 5.0. If you want something polite and well kept, a good handler that's easily tamed, perhaps that'll require more dough to go fast, go for the integra.

[mikey_p]

I know I know... there 2 totally different cars and I'm confusing myself with needless info. I have never driven a 5.0 mustang and am leaning towards it because its already modified. Its gonna take some wheels and a good scrub to get it clean but its got headers, exhaust, msd ignition, and a cam already... should sound great.. the sketchy thing is why so cheap?? i've done a car proof and everything is ok.. I'm leaning towards the stang..

[inline6turbo]

Well, if it's a hatchback and is around $3000 and is and 89-93 then the price is about right.

If it's a notchback (trunk) same price and year range, then it's priced low, depending on the condition.

Link? Pm?

[Shlade]

http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1990-Ford-Mustang-LX-Hatchback-new-lower-Price-W0QQAdIdZ237292023

Sounds like this.

Looks like a steal. The body could use some work but the engine seems good.

[mikey_p]

Originally posted by inline6turbo
Well, if it's a hatchback and is around $3000 and is and 89-93 then the price is about right.

If it's a notchback (trunk) same price and year range, then it's priced low, depending on the condition.

Link? Pm?

pm'd & thanks for your help...

[Darell_n]

Originally posted by Awd-Tsi
The mustang has thing thing called torque. The integra... Well it makes power at 5k

Kinda funny cause all other V8 owners know the 5.0 don't make torque either. But compared to a 4 cylinder, I get your point.

[tictactoe2004]

The Integra is like a nice cute chick that you're ok with dating and you'd be perfectly ok to introduce her to your parents.

The Mustang is like a porn star that lives in a trailor park, the only thing she wants to do when she sees you is have a few drinks and fuck like a race horse.

They can both look good when they get all done up, either one can perform... one is a little more refined, the other is hang on and enjoy the ride. Both have pros and cons.. Pick the one you want.

[mikey_p]

Drove all the way to Calgary. Mustang was not good. Rust. Missing trim. Has been repainted. Didn't even start it.

[mikey_p]

Mustang was not good and integra gsr is sold. My search continues!!

[Kloubek]

Shouldn't be THAT hard to find more of both. Once a car starts getting that old, they tend to shuffle owners a fair amount.

There's a Blue Mustang GT and a 94 GSR on Kijiji for about 2 and a half each.

[mikey_p]

Got links??

[Kloubek]

No.

Doesn't take a lot to do a search...

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by Revhard
The hatches are ok, but the coupe or notchback is far nicer looking IMO.
The 5.0L was a real dog back then, you will be very dissappointed with it if it's stock.
That is kinda cheap for a v8 stang, hopefully it's in decent shape. I'd likely still say buy the stang if you want a "toy" car. The GSR is a fun little car, but you have to drive it at 90% to have any fun. The stang will at least pull from go. If you ever want to winter drive it though, the gsr will be a way better choice.
It's a very strange pair of cars you are hung up on...
If you never plan to modify, I would lean towards the GSR again, but if you will, you can mod a mustang for 1/3 the cost. The parts made for them are mostly medium quality, but they do the job. There are a ton of cheap headers, exhaust, intakes,etc. 250whp would not be very hard to get without going crazy. Stock would for sure be under 200whp, likely 180. So that much more power will feel like a new car.
Either way, hope you have fun with whatever you choose.

I do believe Toma dynoed a stock one at 180 whp hahahha. Pretty pathetic for the displacement if you ask me, mind you, at this point japan was wayyy ahead of the game. I know i may be beating a dead horse here, but have you considered a rwd japanese car with a real engine? Maybe a supra turbo, 240sx sr20det,rx7 (rotary, i know) something like that? Im a bit biased...just a bit....

I used to slap modded 5.0L around with my rx7 turbo II, minimal mods, they got very angry with me......nowadays im busy picking on a bit faster cars....:D

[inline6turbo]

^funniest post of thread lol

[Graham_A_M]

Originally posted by Revhard
The hatches are ok, but the coupe or notchback is far nicer looking IMO.
The 5.0L was a real dog back then, you will be very dissappointed with it if it's stock.
That is kinda cheap for a v8 stang, hopefully it's in decent shape. I'd likely still say buy the stang if you want a "toy" car. The GSR is a fun little car, but you have to drive it at 90% to have any fun. The stang will at least pull from go. If you ever want to winter drive it though, the gsr will be a way better choice.
It's a very strange pair of cars you are hung up on...
If you never plan to modify, I would lean towards the GSR again, but if you will, you can mod a mustang for 1/3 the cost. The parts made for them are mostly medium quality, but they do the job. There are a ton of cheap headers, exhaust, intakes,etc. 250whp would not be very hard to get without going crazy. Stock would for sure be under 200whp, likely 180. So that much more power will feel like a new car.
Either way, hope you have fun with whatever you choose.

Have you been for a rip in Steveo_27's (Steve's) 5.0 '87?
Fucking Christ that car is incredible. high 11 second car at Rat City... wow..... SO jealous... stock bottom end, stock T-5 Tranny & rear end too.. Not too shabby for being able to handle a 600hp build, PLUS a 200 shot of nitrous.
:thumbsup:
He could very well give me a run for my money at the strip with my Triumph sportbike..... which would be fine but I've spanked numerous Ferrari F430 Spyders & Muchi's with it. :nut: Sure its a low 10 second bike at sea level, but up here I can get mid 11 seconds with it.

I've seen my share of FAST fox-bodies... stock they may be lame but they can be made silly fast with just bolt ons & some know-how.

[adam c]

please....you can not compare a 06 civic to an integra I hate driving the new civics even the civic si is garbage to drive compared to an integra

[epp01]

This is a stupid comparison, one car was ment to get great fuel economy and drive to the grocery store in a "sporty" (sporty in a HONDA sorta way.) kind of way. That's it! It's not a race car, it's not a sports car, it's just a FWD grocery getter, and yes you can make them fast. BUT you can make ANYTHING fast. Even a Geo Metro can be made fast.

The mustang was designed to be a Pony car, 5L rwd made for taking to the track on weekends and going for some 1/4 runs. Not great fuel economy, and didn't handle well. They came with VERY restrictive parts from factory and it was made so that the customer could up the hp levels very easy. You do a full exhaust, (1000 bucks) intake, (200 bucks) and used Edelbrock heads (1000 bucks) and you have 250-300rwhp simple.

/rant.

[Ymerej472008]

please....you can not compare a 06 civic to an integra I hate driving the new civics even the civic si is garbage to drive compared to an integra

:werd: I have both...and by far my Integra would murder my Si...the Si feels just wayyy to heavy in comparison. Although they both have relatively comparable numbers stock for stock. The Integra (TypeR) has been noted by many reputable people to be THE BEST handling FWD car ever produced. The 5L's are super fun with bolt ons...but the Integra can be also...Drive em both imo

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by inline6turbo
^funniest post of thread lol

In a good way or a bad way.... :poosie: :rofl:

[Anomaly]

Originally posted by sr20s14zenki


I do believe Toma dynoed a stock one at 180 whp hahahha. Pretty pathetic for the displacement if you ask me, mind you, at this point japan was wayyy ahead of the game.


It was the 80's... nobody was putting out huge amounts of power for cheap. An 87' Mustang GT was 12,106.00 USD new and ran mid to high 14's. Doesn't sound so bad to me.

[epp01]

Originally posted by sr20s14zenki

but have you considered a rwd japanese car with a real engine? Maybe a supra turbo, 240sx sr20det,rx7 (rotary, i know) something like that? Im a bit biased...just a bit....

I used to slap modded 5.0L around with my rx7 turbo II, minimal mods, they got very angry with me......nowadays im busy picking on a bit faster cars....:D

That's funny because I have an Rx7 that I took the "real" engine out and put a 600hp motor in, and it's a small block ford. A stroked 5.8L with nitrous all for under 4,000. Can you show me any "real" import motor that can make 600hp at the crankshaft for 4,000 including the cost of the engine and mods and be reliable like my SBF is?

[slinkie]

Originally posted by epp01


That's funny because I have an Rx7 that I took the "real" engine out and put a 600hp motor in, and it's a small block ford. A stroked 5.8L with nitrous all for under 4,000. Can you show me any "real" import motor that can make 600hp at the crankshaft for 4,000 including the cost of the engine and mods and be reliable like my SBF is?

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

[Graham_A_M]

Originally posted by epp01


That's funny because I have an Rx7 that I took the "real" engine out and put a 600hp motor in, and it's a small block ford. A stroked 5.8L with nitrous all for under 4,000. Can you show me any "real" import motor that can make 600hp at the crankshaft for 4,000 including the cost of the engine and mods and be reliable like my SBF is?
Sounds wicked, although I'm surprised you didn't go with a SBC.

[Anomaly]

Originally posted by Graham_A_M

Sounds wicked, although I'm surprised you didn't go with a SBC.

Or lsX :drool:

[gretz]

Originally posted by epp01


That's funny because I have an Rx7 that I took the "real" engine out and put a 600hp motor in, and it's a small block ford. A stroked 5.8L with nitrous all for under 4,000. Can you show me any "real" import motor that can make 600hp at the crankshaft for 4,000 including the cost of the engine and mods and be reliable like my SBF is?

A reliable 600hp on nitrous small block stroker, swapped into an RX7, with supporting mods for $4000? Wow

A stock 2j with a tune can make around 500hp at the crank:dunno: Throw the extra $1500 on that motor and...

[blackpeople]

Originally posted by epp01


That's funny because I have an Rx7 that I took the "real" engine out and put a 600hp motor in, and it's a small block ford. A stroked 5.8L with nitrous all for under 4,000. Can you show me any "real" import motor that can make 600hp at the crankshaft for 4,000 including the cost of the engine and mods and be reliable like my SBF is?
So many variables to this statement and i can find a couple imports that made that kind of power for under 4g not including car. Its been done on rb26,2jz,4g63evo, and i wouldnt dought being able to do it on a toyota 5.7L v8.

[Shlade]

Originally posted by gretz
A stock 2j with a tune can make around 500hp at the crank:dunno: Throw the extra $1500 on that motor and...

Lol... A stock 2j with a tune make 500hp at the crank? I kind of doubt that.. Id love to see proof of somebody doing that on just a tune..

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by gretz


A reliable 600hp on nitrous small block stroker, swapped into an RX7, with supporting mods for $4000? Wow

A stock 2j with a tune can make around 500hp at the crank:dunno: Throw the extra $1500 on that motor and...

Pretty much, show me the receipts, thats pretty cheap. But regardless, i wasnt trying to say v8s and what have you arent "real" engines, i was just saying that integras, as said before, can hardly be called a real sports car, and are NOT fast. They can be made fast, but what cant. Yep, a 2jz can support 1000 horsepower on a stock bottom end, 800 reliably from what i hear, it may not cost 4000$, but it isnt a huge cost over, it just depends how picky you are about what turbo you run, and what you use for management :D

I guess its true, mustangs are cheap, fun, and reasonably fast....throw a few turbos on there, and the game changes completely, but really, on what platform do turbos not change the game ;)

edit: Schlade: the stock turbos on a supra TT 2jz will make 480 whp from what i understand, with just more boost and a bit of tuning magic....the Aristo 2jz wont make AS much, probably around 400 wheel, due to its crappier turbos and smaller injectors.

[gretz]

Originally posted by Shlade


Lol... A stock 2j with a tune make 500hp at the crank? I kind of doubt that.. Id love to see proof of somebody doing that on just a tune..

I know one of the supras at RCTS put down 380whp with an exhaust and a tune... I believe he's making more power as he had a lazy coil, not sure on the exact numbers now...

[A3GTiVR6SC]

:hijack:

5.0

[epp01]

Originally posted by sr20s14zenki


Pretty much, show me the receipts, thats pretty cheap. But regardless, i wasnt trying to say v8s and what have you arent "real" engines, i was just saying that integras, as said before, can hardly be called a real sports car, and are NOT fast. They can be made fast, but what cant. Yep, a 2jz can support 1000 horsepower on a stock bottom end, 800 reliably from what i hear, it may not cost 4000$, but it isnt a huge cost over, it just depends how picky you are about what turbo you run, and what you use for management :D

I guess its true, mustangs are cheap, fun, and reasonably fast....throw a few turbos on there, and the game changes completely, but really, on what platform do turbos not change the game ;)

edit: Schlade: the stock turbos on a supra TT 2jz will make 480 whp from what i understand, with just more boost and a bit of tuning magic....the Aristo 2jz wont make AS much, probably around 400 wheel, due to its crappier turbos and smaller injectors.

Check the prices yourself, here's what I paid. :)

408 Stroker kit 1250.00
AFR heads 2000.00
150 Nitrous shot 450.00
Intake, headers 400.00
Cam 120.00

Total: 4220.00

But there was / is a lot of money spent on things like gaskets, head bolts ect. But not 1000 worth of stuff. Plus everytime I fill the bottle it's another hundred bucks out of the pocket lol.

[Shlade]

Originally posted by gretz


I know one of the supras at RCTS put down 380whp with an exhaust and a tune... I believe he's making more power as he had a lazy coil, not sure on the exact numbers now...

Ok but adding a exhaust isnt exactly stock on the car. Those cars are stupid restrictive with the stock exhaust.

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by epp01


Check the prices yourself, here's what I paid. :)

408 Stroker kit 1250.00
AFR heads 2000.00
150 Nitrous shot 450.00
Intake, headers 400.00
Cam 120.00

Total: 4220.00

But there was / is a lot of money spent on things like gaskets, head bolts ect. But not 1000 worth of stuff. Plus everytime I fill the bottle it's another hundred bucks out of the pocket lol.

Yah, nitrous aint cheap, thats for sure. Thats why i pretty much threw that out the window as a power adder. Strictly boost on this beeatch (=


Yah, i sppose v8 shit is SUPER cheap upon looking around, but what did the swap cost? Mounts, custom driveshaft? Any work on the transmission?

:D

[epp01]

Originally posted by sr20s14zenki


Yah, nitrous aint cheap, thats for sure. Thats why i pretty much threw that out the window as a power adder. Strictly boost on this beeatch (=


Yah, i sppose v8 shit is SUPER cheap upon looking around, but what did the swap cost? Mounts, custom driveshaft? Any work on the transmission?

:D

I bought the entire swap kit, mounts, driveshaft, tranny mount all from a guy in Calgary for 500 bucks lol. Such a sweet deal. Only things I had to weld up were rad brackets, throttle brackets and a few other things, got a turbo 2 diff from pick N pull and the transmission is garbage after a few months of abuse. lol After doing rims, five bolt hub swap, motor, everything looking 8-10g's for everything including the car.

Gotta pay to play.

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by epp01


I bought the entire swap kit, mounts, driveshaft, tranny mount all from a guy in Calgary for 500 bucks lol. Such a sweet deal. Only things I had to weld up were rad brackets, throttle brackets and a few other things, got a turbo 2 diff from pick N pull and the transmission is garbage after a few months of abuse. lol After doing rims, five bolt hub swap, motor, everything looking 8-10g's for everything including the car.

Gotta pay to play.

Yep, OP remember this, speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?

[Shlade]

Originally posted by sr20s14zenki
Yah, i sppose v8 shit is SUPER cheap upon looking around

LOL... NO... Its actually not lol!

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by Shlade


LOL... NO... Its actually not lol! For internals it sure is haha, on ebay, cp pistons and eagle rods are 850$ for 4, the same thing for a smallblock is less, or the same, but you get 4 more hahaha. Gay.

[epp01]

For my Eagle stroker kit I paid 1250 at the mustang shop for my kit.

[Ymerej472008]

I know one of the supras at RCTS put down 380whp with an exhaust and a tune... I believe he's making more power as he had a lazy coil, not sure on the exact numbers now...

Yea thats JZS_147 (Jimmy) Supra if anybody knows Toyota's its these guys hands down...after spending so much time @ RCTS

and hearing about all the magic everyones getting from the 2J + V-PRO Combo even a 1J + V-Pro is enuff!

It was a fairly easy choice on what my next project is going to be.

OP have you ever looked into a 1JZ or MK3 Supra? Even the 7M-GTE is a fairly potent powerplant

[mikey_p]

Originally posted by Ymerej472008


Yea thats JZS_147 (Jimmy) Supra if anybody knows Toyota's its these guys hands down...after spending so much time @ RCTS

and hearing about all the magic everyones getting from the 2J + V-PRO Combo even a 1J + V-Pro is enuff!

It was a fairly easy choice on what my next project is going to be.

OP have you ever looked into a 1JZ or MK3 Supra? Even the 7M-GTE is a fairly potent powerplant

Yes actually looking at a 7M mk3 supra unless it sells before I get there. Only thing I'm sketchy about is the BGH (blown head gasket) issue..

[Sentry]

Originally posted by sr20s14zenki
For internals it sure is haha, on ebay, cp pistons and eagle rods are 850$ for 4, the same thing for a smallblock is less, or the same, but you get 4 more hahaha. Gay.
Vitara pistons and FJ forged I beam rods with ARP rod bolts for a D series... $425 (http://fjdistributors.com/product_info.php?cPath=58&products_id=285)

[mikey_p]

Anyone give any advise on the MK3 supra with a 7M? From what i've read on them they can be great fun cars but money pits.. Anyone have one or share previous relations with one? :burnout:

It's down to the Supra or a H22 hatch that i can grab for $3000...

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by mikey_p
Anyone give any advise on the MK3 supra with a 7M? From what i've read on them they can be great fun cars but money pits.. Anyone have one or share previous relations with one? :burnout:

It's down to the Supra or a H22 hatch that i can grab for $3000... the tranny is super strong on the supra, i believe they are the r154 on the turbo model. If you are worried about BHG, remove head, deck head, metal or oem headgasket, head studs..done (=

i personally would just drop a 2j or a 1j in there. They are actually pretty cheap.

[Ymerej472008]

Iirc, the 7M only has headgasket issues because of a design flaw on the cooling jackets inside the block? head?
Ive also heard that Toyota had a fault in the torque specs on the headstuds and re-torquing them to 75 ft. lbs solves this issue.

Id say go the Supra route, do as stated above AND upgrade cooling system OR swap a 1JZ...lots of guys can help with it.

True, R154's came in the turbo model and are about as bulletproof as the JZ engine family. Incredibly robust and overbuilt.

[Sentry]

Originally posted by sr20s14zenki
the tranny is super strong on the supra, i believe they are the r154 on the turbo model. If you are worried about BHG, remove head, deck head, metal or oem headgasket, head studs..done (=

i personally would just drop a 2j or a 1j in there. They are actually pretty cheap.
And speaking of which, I saw a 1jzgtte soarer with some damage (pretty obviously from a drift fail) for like 1000 bucks on kijiji.

[Toma]

Originally posted by epp01


Check the prices yourself, here's what I paid. :)

408 Stroker kit 1250.00
AFR heads 2000.00
150 Nitrous shot 450.00
Intake, headers 400.00
Cam 120.00

Total: 4220.00

But there was / is a lot of money spent on things like gaskets, head bolts ect. But not 1000 worth of stuff. Plus everytime I fill the bottle it's another hundred bucks out of the pocket lol.
You forgot... $1000 in machine work+
Who assembled it? was it free?
You did not make 600hp with $200 headers and $200 intake
$120 cam? What was it used off of Kijiji?? Doubt it for the Windsor. What about lifters?
Where's the rockers? You didn't use stock ones.
Was it EFI? Then what about the $300 throttle body?
Was it Carb? What about the $600 carb?
Pushrods?
Head studs?
Windage tray?
Oil pump?
Water Pump?
Timing Chain?

You did NOT make 600 hp with the parts list above for $4000.

You probably had close to $7000 in it....

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by Toma

You forgot... $1000 in machine work+
Who assembled it? was it free?
You did not make 600hp with $200 headers and $200 intake
$120 cam? What was it used off of Kijiji?? Doubt it for the Windsor. What about lifters?
Where's the rockers? You didn't use stock ones.
Was it EFI? Then what about the $300 throttle body?
Was it Carb? What about the $600 carb?
Pushrods?
Head studs?
Windage tray?
Oil pump?
Water Pump?
Timing Chain?

You did NOT make 600 hp with the parts list above for $4000.

You probably had close to $7000 in it....



Oh............SNAP!!!!!!!!!

[Toma]

Ok, not that I am Anti Mustang.... anyone that knows me, knows my love affair for the Mustang started in in 1988....

Now a poke at the Supra junk....

Everyone likes to toss around that 500whp number like it "easy" with a 2Jz....

BULLSHIT.

I've dynod a ton of these, and although they are all quick to say "it should make.... 500, 600...400" lol... etc etc... Realistically, they don't. It takes some work ;)

Guys in town with supra's are often good at talking big game, but since the mid 90's, I have YET to see a fast one at Race City.

Back in the day, there was one tuner shop braggin how their car made gross hp, and ran 9's etc... but it never did. And when I ran into him on the street with a '89 fox with stock motor, ported heads, and a small blower.... I made his turbo lagged Stupra look like a slug ;)

I love BOTH motors. I'm building a 2Jz this winter that should finally run a decent number at race City.... and Im also building a 302 based motor to compete in PSCA's Limited Street Class (where as fait would have it, currently the guy that dominates the class runs a 2JZ lol)

But making either motor sound like some sort of "magic", or "childs play"making 600 hp.... well.... I still get a chuckle out of that.

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by Toma
Ok, not that I am Anti Mustang.... anyone that knows me, knows my love affair for the Mustang started in in 1988....

Now a poke at the Supra junk....

Everyone likes to toss around that 500whp number like it "easy" with a 2Jz....

BULLSHIT.

I've dynod a ton of these, and although they are all quick to say "it should make.... 500, 600...400" lol... etc etc... Realistically, they don't. It takes some work ;)

Guys in town with supra's are often good at talking big game, but since the mid 90's, I have YET to see a fast one at Race City.

Back in the day, there was one tuner shop braggin how their car made gross hp, and ran 9's etc... but it never did. And when I ran into him on the street with a '89 fox with stock motor, ported heads, and a small blower.... I made his turbo lagged Stupra look like a slug ;)

I love BOTH motors. I'm building a 2Jz this winter that should finally run a decent number at race City.... and Im also building a 302 based motor to compete in PSCA's Limited Street Class (where as fait would have it, currently the guy that dominates the class runs a 2JZ lol)

But making either motor sound like some sort of "magic", or "childs play"making 600 hp.... well.... I still get a chuckle out of that.


yep, its all about selecting the right group of parts to work with your particular engine. Far too many people get a big laggy piece of shit turbo that doesnt work properly for their setup, and then deal with a peaky useless powerband, or cheap out on the management systems to run all their nice parts. You proved that you can make 400 horsepower, with EBAY parts, provided that you know what you are doing and assemble a good grouping of parts that work together to make a potent package, and on a tempermental rotary to boot...

:thumbsup:

Looks like battle of the 2jz next summer ;) if i can afford it, man...kids cost too much :D

[Ymerej472008]

But making either motor sound like some sort of "magic", or "childs play"making 600 hp.... well.... I still get a chuckle out of that.

By magic, I was referring to how simple and proven the 2J + V-Pro combo is.
(Although many other factors contribute to a "proven car/setup), from stock to a full on build.

Ive yet to see a fast Supra @ Race City also, although I've seen/witnessed
some very fast supras on the street/dyno.

[Toma]

Originally posted by Ymerej472008


By magic, I was referring to how simple and proven the 2J + V-Pro combo is.
(Although many other factors contribute to a "proven car/setup), from stock to a full on build.

Ive yet to see a fast Supra @ Race City also, although I've seen/witnessed
some very fast supras on the street/dyno.

a) 2JZ and any management that allows some tuning... There is no magic in the management system. Hatlech, Vipec, AEM, PowerFC... whatever....

b) How does that make sense? A mid 11 second car looks FAST on the street.... but it's really not. We dont race dyno's either, we race cars....

[Ymerej472008]

Response to a) All management systems have pro's//con's. In my opinion the V-Pro is the only way Id go
(because it has more advanced/better functions than many others). Ive got my own reasons as to why its "magical."

Response to b) Its actually really simple to understand. Watch video of the car//see timeslip of "fast" car.
Than witness it strapped on the dyno and than go for a ride in it?

Im in no way trying to redirect this thread, Im just stating my opinion; like many other people do.

[Toma]

Originally posted by Ymerej472008
Response to a) All management systems have pro's//con's. In my opinion the V-Pro is the only way Id go
(because it has more advanced/better functions than many others). Ive got my own reasons as to why its "magical."

Response to b) Its actually really simple to understand. Watch video of the car//see timeslip of "fast" car.
Than witness it strapped on the dyno and than go for a ride in it?

Im in no way trying to redirect this thread, Im just stating my opinion; like many other people do.
An opinion can be informed, or uninformed...

Yours for part a is uninformed, and you obviously lack first hand experience. The reasons you are keeping "secret" for why its better must be damn important lol....

B... What am I supposed to say to that? You are talking about magical cars again. I see it SOOOO often..." it's fast as hell on the street, but for some reason, cant get out of the 11;s at the track"...lol


Or they claim It makes 800 hp... the I dyno it and it make 580 lol..

Cars are not magic. They are parts, and software.

[Ymerej472008]

An opinion can be informed, or uninformed...

Yours for part a is uninformed, and you obviously lack first hand experience.

B... What am I supposed to say to that? You are talking about magical cars again. I see it SOOOO often..." it's fast as hell on the street, but for some reason, cant get out of the 11;s at the track"...lol


It makes 600 hp... the I dyno it and it make 400 lol..

Cars are not magic. They are parts, and software.


I am slightly educated but also uneducated when it comes to tuning, I'll admit it. Humans keep learning from birth to death.

"Works like magic" is an idiom...meaning it is effective and successful. Like you said before the
2J + ANY management system that allows for tuning can "work like magic."
Maybe I was just posting which EMS I would use because Ive been "informed/experienced" what they (in this case just the v-pro) can do.


PS. Lets take it to PM instead of smashin this guys thread to pieces. Maybe you could educate me further on the subject?

[JZS_147]

Originally posted by Ymerej472008


Yea thats JZS_147 (Jimmy) Supra if anybody knows Toyota's its these guys hands down...after spending so much time @ RCTS

and hearing about all the magic everyones getting from the 2J + V-PRO Combo even a 1J + V-Pro is enuff!

It was a fairly easy choice on what my next project is going to be.

OP have you ever looked into a 1JZ or MK3 Supra? Even the 7M-GTE is a fairly potent powerplant

Yes my car put down 380whp. Here was the modlist:

-Full exhaust
-HKS drop in filter (stock airbox)

I raced a few cars that were in the mid 12 second range and ran neck and neck with them.
I did put down better numbers after i tossed a Vpro in and optimized the tune.



The JDM supra's can't make much over 400 with the stock injectors (440cc) and the tiny CT20A's.

Also, it is total myth that you can run 480whp on stock USDM turbos. Even the USDM steel turbo's are weak. If you don't believe me, ask one of our rally drivers that drive our red Targa Rally Supra, Richard Kimber or Andrew Comrie Picard. They've toasted couple sets over the years, especially when they get greedy and try to run 1.2bar all race.

2JZ's are great engines. They're well capable of big power, and they're awesome in terms of reliability....if you modify them right.

[uptown.]

just get a 240sx and swap SR20DET
it pretty much solves all your issues

[Sentry]

^LOL

[TorqueDog]

Mustang 5.0L. Easiest decision ever.

[cjay^]

Originally posted by Sentry

Vitara pistons and FJ forged I beam rods with ARP rod bolts for a D series... $425 (http://fjdistributors.com/product_info.php?cPath=58&products_id=285)

I don't think he was referring to how much pistons for a D series cost. Pretty sure building up a SOHC 1.6L 4 banger isn't nearly as common as some of the alternatives (B18?).

Never heard of those brands either lol

http://cgi.ebay.ca/CP-Pistons-Eagle-Rods-Acura-Integra-B16-B18-B20-B18c-/140479122980?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20b5354e24

http://cgi.ebay.ca/CP-Pistons-Eagle-Rods-Silvia-SR20-SR20DET-240sx-S13-S14-/290460597865?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43a0ccfe69

$800+ shipped.