Car and Drivers new Lightning Lap

[94boosted]

This year there was some cars that were quite impressive (Ford V6 Mustang, New Lexus ISF, Audi TTS, Audi S4) and also a couple that were disappointing (New Mazdaspeed 3, New STi Sedan).

1 2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S LL3 11/08
2 2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR LL3 11/08
3 2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON LL5 2/11
4 2:49.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 LL3 2/10
5 2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA LL5 2/11
6 2:52.3 KTM X-BOW LLU 2/10
7 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (Z07) LL3 2/11
8 2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV LL5 2/10
9 2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA LL5 11/08
10 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08
11 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11
12 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07
13 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11
14 2:57.6 ARIEL ATOM 3 LLU 2/10
15 2:58.0 MERCEDES-BENZ SLS AMG LL4 2/11
16 2:58.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 8/07
17 2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT LL2 2/10
18 2:59.0 NISSAN GT-R (all-season tires) LL3 11/08
19 2:59.5 AUDI R8 5.2 FSI LL4 2/10
20 3:00.7 FORD GT LL4 11/06
21 3:01.1 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 11/06
22 3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/08
23 3:01.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 11/06
24 3:01.8 PORSCHE 911 GT3 LL3 8/07
25 3:03.6 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 8/07
26 3:03.8 PORSCHE BOXSTER SPYDER LL3 2/11
27 3:04.0 CADILLAC CTS-V SEDAN LL2 11/08
28 3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/11
29 3:04.2 CADILLAC CTS-V COUPE LL3 2/11
30 3:04.5 LOTUS EXIGE S LL3 8/07
31 3:05.4 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 2/10
32 3:05.4 LEXUS IS F LL2 2/11
33 3:05.6 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 11/08
34 3:05.6 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA S LL3 2/10
35 3:05.8 PORSCHE CAYMAN S LL3 2/10
36 3:05.8 PORSCHE 911 TURBO LL4 8/07
37 3:05.9 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 8/07
38 3:06.4 JAGUAR XKR LL3 2/10
39 3:06.5 MERCEDES-BENZ C63 AMG LL2 11/08
40 3:06.5 MERCEDES-BENZ E63 AMG LL3 2/11
41 3:07.4 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/10
42 3:08.3 LOTUS EVORA LL3 2/11
43 3:08.4 AUDI TTS LL2 2/10
44 3:08.6 FORD MUSTANG GT 5.0 LL2 2/11
45 3:08.9 JAGUAR XFR LL2 2/11
46 3:09.2 LOTUS ELISE LL2 11/06
47 3:09.3 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/06
48 3:09.5 PORSCHE CAYMAN S LL2 11/06
49 3:09.5 CHEVROLET CAMARO SS LL2 2/10
50 3:10.0 BMW M6 LL3 11/06
51 3:10.5 BMW 335i COUPE LL2 8/07
52 3:10.6 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION SE LL2 2/11
53 3:10.8 AUDI S4 LL2 2/10
54 3:11.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 11/06
55 3:11.0 AUDI RS4 LL3 8/07
56 3:11.7 BMW Z4 M COUPE LL2 8/07
57 3:12.0 NISSAN NISMO 370Z LL2 2/10
58 3:12.5 NISSAN 350Z TRACK LL1 11/06
59 3:12.5 FORD MUSTANG V-6 LL1 2/11
60 3:13.0 CHEVROLET COBALT SS LL1 11/08
61 3:13.3 FORD MUSTANG GT LL1 2/10
62 3:13.3 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION MR LL2 11/08
63 3:13.5 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION IX MR LL1 11/06
64 3:13.7 BMW 135i COUPE LL2 11/08
65 3:13.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 R-SPEC LL1 2/11
66 3:13.8 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI SEDAN LL2 2/11
67 3:14.0 LEXUS IS F LL2 11/08
68 3:14.6 AUDI S5 LL2 11/08
69 3:14.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 LL1 2/10
70 3:15.0 HONDA S2000 CR LL2 11/08
71 3:15.7 PONTIAC SOLSTICE GXP LL1 8/07
72 3:16.0 MAZDASPEED 3 LL1 8/07
73 3:16.2 MAZDASPEED 3 LL1 2/10
74 3:16.3 DODGE CHALLENGER SRT8 LL2 11/08
75 3:16.5 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX SEDAN LL1 2/11
76 3:16.6 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX HATCHBACK LL1 2/10
77 3:16.6 LOTUS ELISE SC LL2 11/08
78 3:16.7 MAZDA RX-8 R3 LL2 2/11
79 3:17.1 MINI JOHN COOPER WORKS LL1 2/10
80 3:17.5 INFINITI G37 COUPE SPORT LL2 11/08
81 3:18.2 DODGE CHARGER SRT8 LL2 11/06
82 3:19.0 MAZDA RX-8 LL1 11/06
83 3:19.0 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI HATCHBACK LL2 11/08
84 3:19.3 VOLKSWAGEN GTI MkVI LL2 2/10
85 3:20.6 CHEVROLET COBALT SS SUPERCHARGED LL1 11/06
86 3:20.8 DODGE CALIBER SRT4 LL1 11/08
87 3:20.9 FORD MUSTANG GT LL1 11/06
88 3:21.8 VOLKSWAGEN R32 LL2 11/08
89 3:22.9 MINI COOPER S LL1 8/07
90 3:24.8 HONDA CIVIC Si MUGEN LL2 11/08
91 3:25.1 VOLKSWAGEN GTI MkV LL1 11/06
92 3:26.5 HONDA CIVIC Si COUPE LL1 11/06
93 3:26.6 VOLVO C30 VERSION 2.0 LL1 11/08
94 3:29.3 MAZDA MX-5 MIATA LL1 11/06

Full feature is here (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/10q4/lightning_lap_2011-feature) with results on page 8.

[dirtsniffer]

Do you know if the magazine is on newstands yet? I have all the previous years and need to add this one.

[94boosted]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
Do you know if the magazine is on newstands yet? I have all the previous years and need to add this one.

Not sure, I'm a Motor Trend guy myself lol.

[revelations]

Originally posted by 94boosted


Not sure, I'm a Motor Trend guy myself lol.

:werd: I stopped reading C&D years ago.

[kevie88]

Throwing all cars numbers up on different days (and YEARS!!) and calling it a test is silly. Just the wind direction and speed can throw + or - 2 seconds into any comparison.. and if it's raining or wet, forget about it.

[89s1]

How is the mustang gt 8 seconds slower than the v6?

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by 89s1
How is the mustang gt 8 seconds slower than the v6?

I would assume the V6 is the new 300HP unit. And the GT is not the new 5.0 (which is @ 3:08) but the older 315HP V8.

[TorqueDog]

Originally posted by 89s1
How is the mustang gt 8 seconds slower than the v6? I think you mean 8/10ths of a second slower. lol

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by TorqueDog
I think you mean 8/10ths of a second slower. lol

There was a previous test, where it was 8 sec. slower, must have been a shitty day/driver, since the same model did it faster on the next test. (the HP difference between those GT years was only a increase of 15, so I can't see that being the deciding factor)

59 3:12.5 FORD MUSTANG V-6 LL1 2/11

61 3:13.3 FORD MUSTANG GT LL1 2/10

87 3:20.9 FORD MUSTANG GT LL1 11/06

[94boosted]

Originally posted by kevie88
Throwing all cars numbers up on different days (and YEARS!!) and calling it a test is silly. Just the wind direction and speed can throw + or - 2 seconds into any comparison.. and if it's raining or wet, forget about it.

I think they made it as fair as possible I know they lap each car for two days and take it's best lap time so I think the results are actually fairly representative of the cars performance.

[89s1]

Originally posted by TorqueDog
I think you mean 8/10ths of a second slower. lol

No, 8 full seconds. 8.4 in fact.

I didn't notice the difference in the dates though, and yeah it was probably one rain test and one dry test.

[01RedDX]

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[heavyD]

Can't beat the Mustangs for bang for the buck. A good showing for the 2010 EVO X SE. All the hype over the 2011 STI being the fastest STI ever and it's over three seconds slower than the EVO X SE.:facepalm:

[Mibz]

Originally posted by heavyD
All the hype over the 2011 STI being the fastest STI ever and it's over three seconds slower than the EVO X SE.:facepalm: I had totally forgotten about that bit of marketing, ha.

[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by heavyD
Can't beat the Mustangs for bang for the buck. A good showing for the 2010 EVO X SE. All the hype over the 2011 STI being the fastest STI ever and it's over three seconds slower than the EVO X SE.:facepalm:

Thats cuz tommi mak aint driving it lol.

[94boosted]

Originally posted by heavyD
Can't beat the Mustangs for bang for the buck. A good showing for the 2010 EVO X SE. All the hype over the 2011 STI being the fastest STI ever and it's over three seconds slower than the EVO X SE.:facepalm:

The SE is the one that takes the go fast bits from the MR (Bilsteins, two piece rotors, twin clutch) and puts it on the GSR right?

[heavyD]

Originally posted by 94boosted


The SE is the one that takes the go fast bits from the MR (Bilsteins, two piece rotors, twin clutch) and puts it on the GSR right?

Yeah it's basically a GSR with the TC-SST, MR two piece rotors, and MR Bilstein shocks/Eibach springs and no rear spoiler. They were only sold in the US as late 2010 models. Not sure why they didn't make them a permanent addition as it was priced between the MR and GSR so buyers that wanted the TC-SST but didn't want to ante up for the MR could still get the transmission.

[TorqueDog]

Originally posted by 89s1
No, 8 full seconds. 8.4 in fact.

I didn't notice the difference in the dates though, and yeah it was probably one rain test and one dry test. I didn't notice there was one at the bottom of the list. lol

[94boosted]

Originally posted by heavyD


Yeah it's basically a GSR with the TC-SST, MR two piece rotors, and MR Bilstein shocks/Eibach springs and no rear spoiler. They were only sold in the US as late 2010 models. Not sure why they didn't make them a permanent addition as it was priced between the MR and GSR so buyers that wanted the TC-SST but didn't want to ante up for the MR could still get the transmission.

Lighter BBS wheels too vs. Enkei right? So are we going to get the SE here?

[heavyD]

Originally posted by 94boosted


Lighter BBS wheels too vs. Enkei right? So are we going to get the SE here?

Nope. The SE gets the Enkei wheels. Don't think we are getting them here.

[CUG]

Originally posted by 01RedDX
Whoa the R32 is way down there. That's because it's not fast..

[01RedDX]

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[CUG]

Originally posted by 01RedDX
Its rivals on paper, like the WRX and Mazdaspeed6, are all well ahead. BUT PUT K04 AND FAST BRO.

[01RedDX]

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[95teetee]

Originally posted by 89s1
How is the mustang gt 8 seconds slower than the v6? there's a 5.0 @ #44...

[kornsined]

The Cobalt @ #60 takes the fastest FWD award. Not that I care but impressive.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by kornsined
The Cobalt @ #60 takes the fastest FWD award. Not that I care but impressive. Damn impressive considering the list of cars it beat that, I assume, ran on the same day.


62 3:13.3 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION MR LL2 11/08
64 3:13.7 BMW 135i COUPE LL2 11/08
67 3:14.0 LEXUS IS F LL2 11/08
68 3:14.6 AUDI S5 LL2 11/08
70 3:15.0 HONDA S2000 CR LL2 11/08
74 3:16.3 DODGE CHALLENGER SRT8 LL2 11/08
77 3:16.6 LOTUS ELISE SC LL2 11/08
80 3:17.5 INFINITI G37 COUPE SPORT LL2 11/08
83 3:19.0 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI HATCHBACK LL2 11/08
86 3:20.8 DODGE CALIBER SRT4 LL1 11/08
88 3:21.8 VOLKSWAGEN R32 LL2 11/08
90 3:24.8 HONDA CIVIC Si MUGEN LL2 11/08
93 3:26.6 VOLVO C30 VERSION 2.0 LL1 11/08

[89s1]

The cobalt SS has been the fastest FWD car for a while now, I thought this was fairly common knowledge.

[CUG]

Originally posted by 01RedDX
K04 = best buy bro bro, you don't even know bro.


Odd how BMW didn't make the list until 31st place.

[94boosted]

Originally posted by kornsined
The Cobalt @ #60 takes the fastest FWD award. Not that I care but impressive.

:D Yes it is. Fastest on the Nurburgring as well.


Originally posted by Mibz
I assume, ran on the same day.



Yah same day back in the 2008 Lightning Lap (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/08q4/the_lightning_lap_2008-feature)

[kornsined]

Originally posted by 89s1
The cobalt SS has been the fastest FWD car for a while now, I thought this was fairly common knowledge.

Stock yes. Not sure how they've taken to mods or what the max power the stock block can handle.

I'm fairly confident the Neon srt4's A853 engine is still the easiest to gain power and be able to handle it. On a FWD car BTW.

I did think the Cobalt SS sedans were pretty slick. Although no more FWD for this guy.

[89s1]

I meant stock vs. stock yes.

This thread is about stock cars is it not?

[kornsined]

Of course. It's always better to start with a good base for modding. The handling and braking really set it apart from the rest.

[94boosted]

Originally posted by kornsined


Stock yes. Not sure how they've taken to mods or what the max power the stock block can handle.

I'm fairly confident the Neon srt4's A853 engine is still the easiest to gain power and be able to handle it. On a FWD car BTW.

I did think the Cobalt SS sedans were pretty slick. Although no more FWD for this guy.

I'd have to agree that the SRT-4 is probably a better base if you want balls out power, hell doesn't the Mopar Stage 3 kit take these things to 400ish Crank HP. There are a few options for the Cobalt SS Turbo:

Factory Installed GMS1 Kit 280WHP/300WTQ
Bolt Ons + Mild Aftermarket Tune 300-325WHP/330-360WTQ
Full Bolt Ons (Stock Turbo) + Agressive Tune 350-390WHP/350-400WTQ
Aftermarket Turbo Stock Engine/Tranny 400-450WHP/420+WTQ

Atleast those seem to be the numbers most guys are getting at different levels of mods on CSS.net and other sites.

But I'm not trying to get side tracked here.

[Ymerej472008]

I admire how Chevy has kept the Corvette among the best of the best.

Especially with the "big bad ass V8" attitude, If I was looking for B for B, Id 110% buy a Z06.

^iirc...Cobalt SS blocks//internals are fairly weak around the 325whp range?

[kornsined]

My personal favorite on that list is the Cadillac CTS-V.:love:

[94boosted]

Originally posted by Ymerej472008

^iirc...Cobalt SS blocks//internals are fairly weak around the 325whp range?

The old Supercharged motors weren't as strong, these new ones have no problems running that sort of power and more as reliable DD's. Ask me how I know ;)


Originally posted by kornsined
My personal favorite on that list is the Cadillac CTS-V.:love:

Yah and what's weird is the sedan is faster than the coupe :nut: