2012 CR-Z Turbo to be fast-tracked

[treg50]

Honda CR-Z Turbo Could Arrive This Year

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201012/2012-honda-cr-z-turbo_460x0w.jpg

Honda is planning to fast-track production of its turbocharged CR-Z, sources in Japan have revealed.

"Due to overwhelming demand, not to mention lackluster sales for the original hybrid version, Honda will bring to market its CR-Z turbo model, possibly as early as this year."

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2011/01/honda-cr-z-turbo-could-arrive-this-year.html

[Redlyne_mr2]

YES

[rawsensation]

Nice , very nice

[Kloubek]

...how it should have been built in the first place, imo.

0-60 in around 10 seconds is not acceptable for a "sporty" vehicle these days - hybrid or otherwise. Hell, even the Sunfire GT did it in two seconds less.

[psycoticclown]

I'll take one of the 200hp ones, thank you very much.

[italianstylez]

KmOffqwWrJU

[Tik-Tok]

That'll be a fun little grocery getter.

[italianstylez]

PAqGYP2AXjQ


umm ill take the krz

[NoMoreG35]

Can't wait

[v2kai]

Gotta say the more I see the CRZ and the versions with minor mods the more the aesthetic design is growing on me. New 200hp version will be pretty sweet.


Some 3 wheelin action
9hQ-VzIAogA

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Do want.

[Sentry]

GREAT SUCCESS

[Chandler_Racing]

Originally posted by psycoticclown
I'll take one of the 200hp ones, thank you very much.

200hp will still be dog slow.

[corsvette]

I had to laugh while reading the test of this car in the Motor trend car of the year competition...They said the editor's opinion of the car was not fit for print in the magazine, i dont think i've ever read such a negative review of a new car. i wonder if more horsepower will fix it.

[KRyn]

Needs moar power, looks good though.

[Sentry]

Originally posted by Chandler_Racing


200hp will still be dog slow.
Should run mid 14s or so.

Not a rocket, but HARDLY "dog slow".

On top of that, it's a turbocharged engine, making more power will come easy.

[heavyD]

Due to overwhelming demand, not to mention lackluster sales for the original hybrid version, Honda will bring to market its CR-Z turbo model, possibly as early as this year.

Their hand was obviously forced seeing that nobody is going to buy this car if it can't even outrun your mom's minivan. I would suspect that this is a must to recoup money put into developing the car as without a performance model it will die a quick death in the marketplace.

[89s1]

Originally posted by Sentry

Not a rocket, but HARDLY "dog slow".

On top of that, it's a turbocharged engine, making more power will come easy.

:werd: tuned with intake/turbo back exhaust and maybe 4 psi more from the stock turbo then have some really good fun

[Muji]

Originally posted by corsvette
I had to laugh while reading the test of this car in the Motor trend car of the year competition...They said the editor's opinion of the car was not fit for print in the magazine, i dont think i've ever read such a negative review of a new car. i wonder if more horsepower will fix it.

Worth noting but really the press has been positive on this vehicle.

Honda advert inches must be down. Ever follow MT Car of the Year? A trail of tears.

For the record:

2011 Chevrolet Volt[10]
2010 Ford Fusion[11]
2009 Nissan GT-R
2008 Cadillac CTS
2007 Toyota Camry
2006 Honda Civic
2005 Chrysler 300
2004 Toyota Prius
2003 Infiniti G35
2002 Ford Thunderbird
2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser
2000 Lincoln LS
1999 Chrysler 300M
1998 Chevrolet Corvette
1997 Chevrolet Malibu
1996 Dodge Caravan
1995 Chrysler Cirrus
1994 Ford Mustang
1993 Ford Probe GT
1992 Cadillac Seville Touring Sedan
1991 Chevrolet Caprice Classic LTZ
1990 Lincoln Town Car
1989 Ford Thunderbird SC
1988 Pontiac Grand Prix
1987 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe
1986 Ford Taurus LX
1985 Volkswagen GTI (eligible due to it being built in VW's now-defunct Pennsylvania plant)
1984 Chevrolet Corvette
1983 AMC / Renault Alliance
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
1981 Chrysler K Cars, Dodge Aries and Plymouth Reliant
1980 Chevrolet Citation
1979 Buick Riviera S
1978 Chrysler, Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon
1977 Chevrolet Caprice
1976 Chrysler, Dodge Aspen and Plymouth Volare
1975 Chevrolet Monza 2+2
1974 Ford Mustang II
1973 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
1972 Citro‘n SM (an imported vehicle that was selected overall "Car of the Year")
1971 Chevrolet Vega
1970 Ford Torino

[Sorath]

YES!!!!!

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by heavyD


Their hand was obviously forced seeing that nobody is going to buy this car if it can't even outrun your mom's minivan. I would suspect that this is a must to recoup money put into developing the car as without a performance model it will die a quick death in the marketplace.

Nailed it.

[Muji]

Originally posted by Xtrema


Nailed it.

And so what? Kinda missing your point, the CRZ is a two seater which is going to have very low sales anyway. I have driven one and it was very good at what it was designed to do. Unless you have experienced the car, you really have a limited opinion. Take one for a test drive and we can talk.

From Edmunds:

For our test car, which came equipped with the quick-shifting six-speed manual transmission, this was good for a 0-60-mph sprint of 8.8 seconds. Warp-speed acceleration it's not, but the CR-Z's pace is more than half-a-second quicker than a Fit's and about equal to that of a Mini Cooper.

Track Test Results
Acceleration, 0-30 mph (sec.) 3.1
0-45 mph (sec.) 5.6
0-60 mph (sec.) 8.8
0-75 mph (sec.) 13.2
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 16.5 @ 84.1
0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 8.5
Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 31
60-0 mph (ft.) 126
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 61.4
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.83
Sound level @ idle (dB) 40.0
@ Full throttle (dB) 78.2
@ 70 mph cruise (dB) 68.6

[Disoblige]

Title is so mis-leading.

"If Honda is able to move ahead on the project as fast as it’s believed they want to, we could see a debut of the car before the end of the year at the Tokyo Auto Show."

:rofl:

Question is.. When will be be available to actually drive off the lot.. Not this year.

[mboldt]

The day I can put money down on one(if it ever comes to north america), I am sold. Saw this car at SEMA and it looks awesome. Hopefully this works out..

[benyl]

Originally posted by Muji


And so what? Kinda missing your point, the CRZ is a two seater which is going to have very low sales anyway.

I don't think that it being a 2-seater has anything to do with it. The new 4-door insight is a total failure as well. Honda is dropping the ball. The CR-Z is just more proof of that.

[A790]

Originally posted by Muji


And so what? Kinda missing your point, the CRZ is a two seater which is going to have very low sales anyway.
Last I checked, Nissan hasn't had a problem unloading 350z's or 370z's...

[Sorath]

Originally posted by A790

Last I checked, Nissan hasn't had a problem unloading 350z's or 370z's...

what are you talking about, 370 sales are terrible lol

[K3RMiTdot]

want even moarrrrrrrrr

[Nissan_Fanboy]

Will probably be ridiculously overpriced,
and still, nobody will buy them.

Does look nice though.

[Muji]

Originally posted by A790

Last I checked, Nissan hasn't had a problem unloading 350z's or 370z's...

Hardly the same market, vehicle type (hybrid) or price point.

[Muji]

Originally posted by benyl


I don't think that it being a 2-seater has anything to do with it. The new 4-door insight is a total failure as well. Honda is dropping the ball. The CR-Z is just more proof of that.

I had an Insight for 36 hours, was not impressed at all for various reasons. Most of you who are underwhelmed by the direction of the automotive industry simply need to understand fuel prices at double and triple where they are currently. Spend a year in Europe, pay the piper. Fuel prices are going nowhere but up, environmental concerns are nothing but getting more strict and the worldwide (NA is asleep in this aspect) consumer is demanding this type of vehicle in the near future. Vehicles take years to get on the road from design, they cannot turn around like the cupcake industry and start baking a new flavour every Thursday morning.

All modern Honda vehicles (quote from Honda CEO) are designed with a hybrid, electric, etc as an easy factory swap should gas prices and the market dictate a heavier need for non gasoline vehicles. This is the modern world, one in which NA just does not get, your days of powerful vehicles are numbered, much like the 1970's when gas prices spiked and NA was caught with big ass vehicles getting 12 mpg.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Muji


And so what? Kinda missing your point, the CRZ is a two seater which is going to have very low sales anyway. I have driven one and it was very good at what it was designed to do. Unless you have experienced the car, you really have a limited opinion. Take one for a test drive and we can talk.

From Edmunds:

For our test car, which came equipped with the quick-shifting six-speed manual transmission, this was good for a 0-60-mph sprint of 8.8 seconds. Warp-speed acceleration it's not, but the CR-Z's pace is more than half-a-second quicker than a Fit's and about equal to that of a Mini Cooper.

Track Test Results
Acceleration, 0-30 mph (sec.) 3.1
0-45 mph (sec.) 5.6
0-60 mph (sec.) 8.8
0-75 mph (sec.) 13.2
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 16.5 @ 84.1
0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 8.5
Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 31
60-0 mph (ft.) 126
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 61.4
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.83
Sound level @ idle (dB) 40.0
@ Full throttle (dB) 78.2
@ 70 mph cruise (dB) 68.6

Performance numbers that happen to be worse than the 1991 CRX Si. You could live with that if the CRZ was getting phenomenal fuel economy but really it's not much more efficient than it's 20 year old cousin. To me that equals massive failure. There's no positive spin you can put on this abomination. There's a reason the turbo model is being fast-tracked and that's because Honda needs it out before the CRZ dies a quick death in the marketplace.

[Aleks]

CRZ was one of 10 worst handling cars of 2010 in a MT article :rofl:

[Power_Of_Rotary]

Originally posted by heavyD


Performance numbers that happen to be worse than the 1991 CRX Si. You could live with that if the CRZ was getting phenomenal fuel economy but really it's not much more efficient than it's 20 year old cousin. To me that equals massive failure. There's no positive spin you can put on this abomination. There's a reason the turbo model is being fast-tracked and that's because Honda needs it out before the CRZ dies a quick death in the marketplace.

its sad how honda was never really a HP company, and now its only growing slower...

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by heavyD


Performance numbers that happen to be worse than the 1991 CRX Si. You could live with that if the CRZ was getting phenomenal fuel economy but really it's not much more efficient than it's 20 year old cousin. To me that equals massive failure. There's no positive spin you can put on this abomination. There's a reason the turbo model is being fast-tracked and that's because Honda needs it out before the CRZ dies a quick death in the marketplace.

And the fact that Veloster is coming to the market and FT86 will soon follow.

CR-Z in current form will not be able to compete.

While sales of CR-Z isn't as stellar in NA vs Japan. It's been ok and within expectation as a niche car.

With that said, a turbo version will definitely have the enthusiast crowd on their side and maintain some market share. CR-Z as of now just doesn't cut it.

[italianstylez]

they need to put a k20 in a crz . my honest opinion will be that they will sell so many of them. forget bizimotos boosted crap. keep the honda original quality! :clap:

[01RedDX]

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[Power_Of_Rotary]

Originally posted by 01RedDX



You need to consider the amount of features in a CR-Z compared to a CRX before making this argument. Safety regulations, technology and consumer demands have all changed greatly in the last 20 years. If you think fuel economy and performance being similar to the original CRX is a massive failure, then I guess selling 10X Honda's original target is a complete disaster too.

Yes demands have changed... but honda is not catching on..
for christ sake it still uses key start? its really not that expensive to start introducing the intelligent key start system... its been out for a long ass time already

[heavyD]

Originally posted by 01RedDX

You need to consider the amount of features in a CR-Z compared to a CRX before making this argument. Safety regulations, technology and consumer demands have all changed greatly in the last 20 years. If you think fuel economy and performance being similar to the original CRX is a massive failure, then I guess selling 10X Honda's original target is a complete disaster too.

Every automaker has to deal with the same regulations and you can say that for ever car built these days compared to the 90's so you really don't have an argument there as it's still slow compared to other cars that get similar or better mileage. Personally I couldn't care less if the car is selling in Japan. I live in North America and people aren't lining up for them here.

[01RedDX]

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[benyl]

Originally posted by 01RedDX
It fills two unique niches, that of a CRX successor and that of a sporty Prius alternative, neither of which calls for serious performance. Although IMO it fails in both styling and performance, NA sales are on target, so I wouldn't call it a total failure in sales and production figures, at least not yet.

You sure about that?


Although it hasn't been on the market that long, early sales for Honda's new CR-Z hybrid coupe aren't any more encouraging. Automotive News reports that Honda had conservatively intended to sell around 15,000 of the two-seat hybrids per year, but so far, only 4,373 have made their way off of dealer lots and another 3,000 are currently sitting in inventory.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/12/06/cr-z-crosstour-insight-sales-hurting-odyssey-lone-bright-spo/

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by benyl


You sure about that?


http://www.autoblog.com/2010/12/06/cr-z-crosstour-insight-sales-hurting-odyssey-lone-bright-spo/

They sold just over 5000 in the first 3.5 months by end of Dec. So I would say they hit target so far and will if this holds out for the rest of the year.

Monthly sales are on a downward trend tho and the inventory level is high means that unless spring thaw bring in some sales, they will probably miss the target.

[speedog]

Originally posted by Power_Of_Rotary
Yes demands have changed... but honda is not catching on..
for christ sake it still uses key start? its really not that expensive to start introducing the intelligent key start system... its been out for a long ass time already Economics - it's probably still far cheaper for manufacturers to put in key start mechanisms.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by speedog
Economics - it's probably still far cheaper for manufacturers to put in key start mechanisms.

If Dodge can afford to put it in as standard equipment on their cars that cost $20K, I'm sure Honda can too. But Honda's never really been that high on content in their cars, always lagging the competition. It's probably why they are reliable (nothing to break when there is no new tech in their cars).

[treg50]

Originally posted by Aleks
If Dodge can afford to put it in as standard equipment on their cars that cost $20K, I'm sure Honda can too. But Honda's never really been that high on content in their cars, always lagging the competition. It's probably why they are reliable (nothing to break when there is no new tech in their cars).
Honda's smart. Let companies like Chrysler work out the kinks in this "new tech". On top of that, Honda will still crush Chrysler in quality and sales. Chrysler needs a gimick like 'keyless', anything to get ppl to consider one of their cars. I'm not one to defend any car manufacturer, but this was weird: "lagging behind the competition?" Last I heard Honda is still one of the best selling makes and has had recent category successes as well such as: "Honda Civic retained its spot as Canada’s top-selling passenger car in 2010 -- 13 years in a row." (article) (http://www.autonet.ca/autos/news/2011/01/05/16770011-autonet.html) If you really want even more content and tech go to Acura.

On top of that who cares THAT much about keyless?? LMAO, is it that crucial? No. Will i pick Chrysler over Honda because Chyrsler has keyless? HELL no. It's cute, wow look at me I'm so futuristic! Also, have you heard KEYLESS got hacked (link) (http://forums.beyond.ca/st/325344/keyless-start-hacked-/), hehe, work out that kink.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by treg50

Honda's smart. Let companies like Chrysler work out the kinks in this "new tech". On top of that, Honda will still crush Chrysler in quality and sales. Chrysler needs a gimick like 'keyless', anything to get ppl to consider one of their cars. I'm not one to defend any car manufacturer, but this was weird: "lagging behind the competition?" Last I heard Honda is still one of the best selling makes and has had recent category successes as well such as: "Honda Civic retained its spot as Canada’s top-selling passenger car in 2010 -- 13 years in a row." (article) (http://www.autonet.ca/autos/news/2011/01/05/16770011-autonet.html) If you really want even more content and tech go to Acura.

On top of that who cares THAT much about keyless?? LMAO, is it that crucial? No. Will i pick Chrysler over Honda because Chyrsler has keyless? HELL no. It's cute, wow look at me I'm so futuristic! Also, have you heard KEYLESS got hacked (link) (http://forums.beyond.ca/st/325344/keyless-start-hacked-/), hehe, work out that kink.

Honda sales for 2010: 124,000
Chrysler sales for 2010: 204,000

I know that probably includes Jeep/Dodge in there but I don't think Chrysler is getting crushed by Honda in sales.

And yes Honda does lag the competition in content that's a fact. It's not just keyless, it's things like stability control, navigation, up and down auto on all windows, bluetooth, heated seats etc etc on their entry level models.

I never said anything about quality, reliability, fun to drive, fuel economy or anything else. Also since most manufacturers are now caught up or catching up to Honda in quality what will help sell cars is more bang for your buck in the future not just the name.

[benyl]

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/20/opinion-has-honda-lost-its-footing/

[joseph]

^^^:werd:

Theres really nothing in their line-up currently or that I see coming out that I'm the least bit interested in.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by treg50

Honda's smart. Let companies like Chrysler work out the kinks in this "new tech". On top of that, Honda will still crush Chrysler in quality and sales. Chrysler needs a gimick like 'keyless', anything to get ppl to consider one of their cars. I'm not one to defend any car manufacturer, but this was weird: "lagging behind the competition?" Last I heard Honda is still one of the best selling makes and has had recent category successes as well such as: "Honda Civic retained its spot as Canada’s top-selling passenger car in 2010 -- 13 years in a row." (article) (http://www.autonet.ca/autos/news/2011/01/05/16770011-autonet.html) If you really want even more content and tech go to Acura.

On top of that who cares THAT much about keyless?? LMAO, is it that crucial? No. Will i pick Chrysler over Honda because Chyrsler has keyless? HELL no. It's cute, wow look at me I'm so futuristic! Also, have you heard KEYLESS got hacked (link) (http://forums.beyond.ca/st/325344/keyless-start-hacked-/), hehe, work out that kink.

We know you won't pick a Chrysler over a Honda because you are a Honda fanboy. Lots of people care about kelyess heck even Toyota has that avaliable in Corollas. Honda's are relatively low tech vehicles compared to much of the competition today. From the decade old engine/transmission designs to the lack of convienience features that Ford, Hyundai, and others have as standard. It seems like Honda is now living off their reputation of reliability rather than past decades where they were an innovator.

[benyl]

Originally posted by heavyD


We know you won't pick a Chrysler over a Honda because you are a Honda fanboy.

I thought he was an Acura Fanboy?? :rofl:

[Sugarphreak]

...

[treg50]

Originally posted by heavyD
We know you won't pick a Chrysler over a Honda because you are a Honda fanboy. Lots of people care about kelyess heck even Toyota has that avaliable in Corollas. Honda's are relatively low tech vehicles compared to much of the competition today. From the decade old engine/transmission designs to the lack of convienience features that Ford, Hyundai, and others have as standard. It seems like Honda is now living off their reputation of reliability rather than past decades where they were an innovator.
heavyD, we know you won't pick a Honda because you're a Honda hateboy. All you ever do is shit in every Honda thread (am I wrong?) you even shit on Honda in NON-Honda threads, it's interesting/kinda pathetic. You might have problem maybe OCD or something. Could really be OCD because despite you quoting me saying "I'm not one to defend any car manufacturer..." I am still a "fanboy" to you, haha, weird! Stop labelling ppl you don't know.

Honda had it's decades of innovation. I think they are cruising from those decades of research and excellent quality. If anything they were smart. The spent money innovating in good economic times. Now it's not doing as much. So what? It makes sense. Everyone is spending less in general, I'm spending less most ppl and businesses are. Honda's spending less, it's smart business.

Ford was doing shit all, and now it's picking up it's game. Good for them, honestly, it's about time. I like what they are doing. But too bad for Ford and the others, times (the economy & spending) are down HUGE. Ford's spending on innovation at the wrong time, but they have no choice. They need to coming off the bailouts. I think Honda's not spending on innovation because times are tough (which is smart), and they don't need too, and because they already did. I'm sure they will again when it's financial wise to do so. I think until then they will keep producing reliable, high selling vehicles, that are worth the money.

My Acura has 220,000+ on it :clap:

[heavyD]

Originally posted by treg50

heavyD, we know you won't pick a Honda because you're a Honda hateboy. All you ever do is shit in every Honda thread (am I wrong?) you even shit on Honda in NON-Honda threads, it's interesting/kinda pathetic. You might have problem maybe OCD or something. Could really be OCD because despite you quoting me saying "I'm not one to defend any car manufacturer..." I am still a "fanboy" to you, haha, weird! Stop labelling ppl you don't know.

Honda had it's decades of innovation. I think they are cruising from those decades of research and excellent quality. If anything they were smart. The spent money innovating in good economic times. Now it's not doing as much. So what? It makes sense. Everyone is spending less in general, I'm spending less most ppl and businesses are. Honda's spending less, it's smart business.

Ford was doing shit all, and now it's picking up it's game. Good for them, honestly, it's about time. I like what they are doing. But too bad for Ford and the others, times (the economy & spending) are down HUGE. Ford's spending on innovation at the wrong time, but they have no choice. They need to coming off the bailouts. I think Honda's not spending on innovation because times are tough (which is smart), and they don't need too, and because they already did. I'm sure they will again when it's financial wise to do so. I think until then they will keep producing reliable, high selling vehicles, that are worth the money.

My Acura has 220,000+ on it :clap:

Sure I'm a Honda hate boy. Between my wife and I we've owned four Hondas over the last couple of decades, how many have you owned? You really can see who the fanboys are when the insults come out and I'm not the one calling you pathetic or OCD. I was driving Honda's before you could reach a gas pedal. I've owned cars from nearly almost every domestic and japanese manufacturer. I know what each manufacturer brings to the table, the strengths and weaknesses. I've always said Honda builds a reliable car but they aren't the same company they were in the late 80's and 90's much like Toyota. Let's face it your only comeback now is reliability. You can't say performance, excitement, or looks are a reason to buy a Honda just reliability. Basically the generic insert 'Toyota' or 'Honda' reliability defense to the fact that their products lag behind the competition in most other areas.

[benyl]

The best time to spend money on innovation is when times are tough. That way you are ready for the next boom instead of lagging and trying to catch up.

Ford didn't take a bailout.

To say that Honda is not innovative is wrong. They are. The problem is that they answer questions that nobody is asking...

Crosstour, ZDX, CR-Z, RL, etc...

The element was somewhat of a success, but not with the intended audience.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by benyl
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/20/opinion-has-honda-lost-its-footing/

Just read that and agreed. Nice that upper management finally acknowledge the god awful Acura grill.

[reno97637]

Originally posted by heavyD

You can't say performance, excitement, or looks are a reason to buy a Honda just reliability.

LOL, that is so true.

EDIT: When I think about it, I know someone who works for Honda for X amount of years and he said the only new car from Honda that is guaranteed to be reliable is the Fit. The guy can get a major discount off Hondas but he actually bought a Toyota Sienna. Tells you how much loyalty and customer retention Honda is doing.

[psycoticclown]

Originally posted by benyl
The best time to spend money on innovation is when times are tough. That way you are ready for the next boom instead of lagging and trying to catch up.

Ford didn't take a bailout.

To say that Honda is not innovative is wrong. They are. The problem is that they answer questions that nobody is asking...

Crosstour, ZDX, CR-Z, RL, etc...

The element was somewhat of a success, but not with the intended audience.

That's true. Especially the ZDX. My friend picked up one, I drove it, terrible. Interior is mediocre, especially compared to it's competition (FX35, Q5, GLK, etc), it drove mediocre, the FX35 drove better and the backseats are completely useless. The backseats are on par headroom wise as his old 08 Honda Accord Coupe. In fact, the whole car just seemed like a lifted version of the Accord Coupe with 4 doors. Fucking useless. I'm a tiny guy and I was running into headroom issues. Why buy an SUV if 3 seats are completely useless. Even the X6, which I can't stand, has a more useable backseat. And the thing is, that car isn't cheap. $60k for a car that serves no purpose is ridiculous. Why buy a ZDX when you can buy a Q5 that looks better, has better AWD, interior and more utility for the same price. If you wanted a sporty car that has AWD, why don't you buy an Audi S4 for the same price or cheaper. It probably has more utility too. :dunno:

And that's the thing with the RL and the CR-Z too. Why buy the CR-Z when you can buy more powerful cars with similar gas mileage for the same price? Until the CR-Z turbo comes out, the CR-Z is just going to sit on the lots.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by psycoticclown
And the thing is, that car isn't cheap. $60k for a car that serves no purpose is ridiculous. Why buy a ZDX when you can buy a Q5 that looks better, has better AWD, interior and more utility for the same price. If you wanted a sporty car that has AWD, why don't you buy an Audi S4 for the same price or cheaper. It probably has more utility too. :dunno:

Other than pretty shitty to drive, you can apply all those qualities to the X6 as well. And it did kinda well for BMW as a niche vehicle.

The only difference is, unlike BMW, Acura's brand image is too shitty to pull it off.

Really, if you want utility, MDX is a way better deal.

[heavyD]

Let's face it. Honda's best vehicle is the Odyssey Minivan. It's the only reason I would even walk near a Honda dealership. IMO SUV's don't cut it when you have young kids. Minivan is the way to go and the Odyssey is the best on the market. Unfortunately it's extremely expensive in top level trim ($47K :eek: )

[treg50]

Originally posted by benyl
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/20/opinion-has-honda-lost-its-footing/
Really good article -- satisfies the angry, little hateboys and fair enough for fans. (Except I don't mind the Acura grille :))

[psycoticclown]

Originally posted by Xtrema


Other than pretty shitty to drive, you can apply all those qualities to the X6 as well. And it did kinda well for BMW as a niche vehicle.

The only difference is, unlike BMW, Acura's brand image is too shitty to pull it off.

Really, if you want utility, MDX is a way better deal.

Oh yeah, I think the X6 is a retarded vehicle too. But at least it's a BMW, so you'll look "ballin" in it lol. Acura... not so much haha.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by treg50

Really good article -- satisfies the angry, little hateboys and fair enough for fans. (Except I don't mind the Acura grille :))

So you are satisfied I take it. LOL.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[flipstah]

No definite showroom arrival?

I'm waiting. :)

[treg50]

Originally posted by heavyD
So you are satisfied I take it. LOL.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Pesky, Hondaboy!! Leave me and Lancer alone! :whipped:

[pgmatt]

Honda died along time ago. It is just a corporate operation now ran by bean counters. There safe for a while though there reputation will carry them for at least close to a decade. Acura needs the axe stat though they are one hurtin unit. Do they have one decent model anymore? The CRZ is awesome you get a hybrid that is really slow, has no room inside, looks ugly and gets no better mileage then any other non hybrid economy car :thumbsup:

[streethondas]

Originally posted by Aleks

Honda sales for 2010: 124,000
Chrysler sales for 2010: 204,000


Wow are you serious? You can't compare a Chrysler with a Honda.. Really good work by Chrysler for selling their shitmobile to 204,000 idiots! Just after couple of years 204,000 people will be crying, while the 124,000 people will be enjoying there reliable Honda.. Yes I'm a Honda fanboy and yes I hate American cars with a passion!

[A790]

Originally posted by streethondas
Yes I'm a Honda fanboy and yes I hate American cars with a passion!
This gives you about as much credibility as an overweight personal trainer. Well done :)

[heavyD]

Originally posted by A790

This gives you about as much credibility as an overweight personal trainer. Well done :)

What's sad is that I've seen personal trainers that look like they should be adhering to the routines they preach lol.

[LOLzilla]

Hey neat!

A car that is nearly as good as a Cobalt SS!

TTYL

[whiskas]

Originally posted by streethondas


Wow are you serious? You can't compare a Chrysler with a Honda.. Really good work by Chrysler for selling their shitmobile to 204,000 idiots! Just after couple of years 204,000 people will be crying, while the 124,000 people will be enjoying there reliable Honda.. Yes I'm a Honda fanboy and yes I hate American cars with a passion!

People like you make me feel ashamed of being a Honda owner.

[slinkie]

Originally posted by LOLzilla
Hey neat!

A car that is nearly as good as a Cobalt SS!

TTYL

lol

[Toma]

Originally posted by heavyD


What's sad is that I've seen personal trainers that look like they should be adhering to the routines they preach lol.
One of the best trainers I ever met was en ex Bulgarian ski team trainer (or some shit, can't remember for sure), then later gymnastics.

He was chubby, but fuck me, was he was a god at training, knowledge, rehab, nutrition etc.

[Toma]

Back on topic.... that car looks friggin hot. 200h p is a little light, I woulda aimed for 260....

but not bad at all.

[zieg]

It looks like a factory ricer. :(

[sr20s14zenki]

Looks like a mean sonovabitch. I like it, GO HONDA its about time they started bringing turbos back into their cars. I remember reading about a few turbo cars they did back in the day, and even a turbo motorcycle, with one of the worlds smallest turbos at the time. They used to do some neat stuff, bring it back guys!!! I love seeing how the markets are going towards turbocharging in a BIG way these days....couldnt be happier, being a turbo junkie.

:thumbsup:

Gonna be fun watching this car beat up on all of the overweight domestic crap (yes dodge, im talking to you)

[Sentry]

Originally posted by ZiG-87
It looks like a factory ricer. :(
That was the SEMA car.

ALL SEMA cars are rice.

The production model will look like a normal CR-Z, with maybe some minor styling changes.

[johnboy27]

Originally posted by Aleks


Honda sales for 2010: 124,000
Chrysler sales for 2010: 204,000

I know that probably includes Jeep/Dodge in there but I don't think Chrysler is getting crushed by Honda in sales.

And yes Honda does lag the competition in content that's a fact. It's not just keyless, it's things like stability control, navigation, up and down auto on all windows, bluetooth, heated seats etc etc on their entry level models.

I never said anything about quality, reliability, fun to drive, fuel economy or anything else. Also since most manufacturers are now caught up or catching up to Honda in quality what will help sell cars is more bang for your buck in the future not just the name.
Keep in mind that every single rental car company in North America is stocked with chryslers, I am pretty sure there are no major rental companies that carry Honda's.

[cjay^]

Originally posted by streethondas


Wow are you serious? You can't compare a Chrysler with a Honda.. Really good work by Chrysler for selling their shitmobile to 204,000 idiots! Just after couple of years 204,000 people will be crying, while the 124,000 people will be enjoying there reliable Honda.. Yes I'm a Honda fanboy and yes I hate American cars with a passion!

Enjoy your 135fwhp brah

[heavyD]

Originally posted by johnboy27

Keep in mind that every single rental car company in North America is stocked with chryslers, I am pretty sure there are no major rental companies that carry Honda's.

Sure there are Japanese cars in rental fleets. I've had RAV4 and Accord rental cars in the US just to name a couple.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by johnboy27

Keep in mind that every single rental car company in North America is stocked with chryslers, I am pretty sure there are no major rental companies that carry Honda's.

It's true that Honda is a very small player in fleet market. Toyota is huge in fleet sales. So is Hyundai and Nissan (even Kia to some degree)

But not to the scale of the domestics.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by streethondas


Wow are you serious? You can't compare a Chrysler with a Honda.. Really good work by Chrysler for selling their shitmobile to 204,000 idiots! Just after couple of years 204,000 people will be crying, while the 124,000 people will be enjoying there reliable Honda.. Yes I'm a Honda fanboy and yes I hate American cars with a passion!

I normally ignore ridiculous statements such as this but after spending some time in my Sister's new Edge and thoroughly looking over a 2011 Mustang GT I have to say that their materials and build quality are superior to any late model non-Luxury Japanese car. The paint alone is 100x better. I was so impressed with the Mustang that I've entertained thoughts of getting a GT.

[n1zm0]

The Turbo CR-Z just became a $6000 HPD S/C kit for a Hybrid :/ ... that comes with suspension, rims and brakes. Still manages to pass as a SULEV too lol



It’s hard to know what sporty nerds dress like, but you’ll be going right out and buying a new wardrobe from a yard sale if that’s what it takes to get your hands on a 2014 Honda CR-Z with the full kit of HPD speed parts.We’re humming down the road in what has always been a great-looking car, only now it looks alive and feels alive. The secret lies in a simple pocket-size, belt-drive centrifugal supercharger. It takes a while for a centrifugal supercharger to spool up, but the power delivery higher in the rpm band feels natural in a Honda, especially when you have such a quick-shifting, short-throw, six-speed manual transmission to keep up. And while the belt-type drive might seem low tech compared to a gear-type drive, there’s a lot less noise.The supercharger kit includes the Rotrex supercharger, drive system, air-to-air intercooler, high-flow fuel injectors and a new ECU calibration. It meets LEV II SULEV air emissions regulations and even CARB standards in California, so you can put this car on the street in any state you want. HPD offers a limited-slip differential and a high-capacity clutch if you want them, not to mention a sport exhaust system. The bottom line from the combination of 9.5 psi of boost from the supercharger and CR-Z’s 1.8-liter engine is 187 hp @ 6,300 rpm and 171 lb-ft of torque @ 5150 rpm.

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Fortunately there’s more to the HPD package of hardware than just the supercharger, so you can get a little help in the driving department. To begin with, this car rides on HPD sport dampers (they’re red!), plus springs that deliver a lower ride height. The grooved, 11.8-inch, front brake rotors carry four-piston aluminum calipers (they’re red!) with high-performance pads. Finally the 18 x 7.5-inch wheels carry 215/40R-18 Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires.

Read more: http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1311_2014_honda_cr_z_hpd_supercharged_sema/#ixzz2jyougZMj
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[flipstah]

Originally posted by n1zm0
The Turbo CR-Z just became a $6000 HPD S/C kit for a Hybrid :/ ... that comes with suspension, rims and brakes. Still manages to pass as a SULEV too lol



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DOES NOT LOOK LIKE FIRST POST. DISLIKE.

Also, $6k for that? Needs more power!

[MalibuStacy]

See this car is interesting

[kvg]

I think it already looks dated and I haven't even seen many:dunno:

[Ca_Silvia13]

Originally posted by flipstah


DOES NOT LOOK LIKE FIRST POST. DISLIKE.

Also, $6k for that? Needs more power!

S/C, brakes, suspension - seems pretty decently priced considering you are getting this through a dealership. Could always use more power...

Like other S/C can you not just change the belts and pulleys and run more boost?

[Redlined_8000]

I expect nothing less from Honda lol. Additional 4hp to the Civic Si and now this....

[flipstah]

Originally posted by Ca_Silvia13


S/C, brakes, suspension - seems pretty decently priced considering you are getting this through a dealership. Could always use more power...

Like other S/C can you not just change the belts and pulleys and run more boost?

I actually take it back. There's no other S/C kit that can match 187hp so this + suspension + brakes, it's a good deal.

If there was a S/C kit that can top that for $4-5k, you can get a decent brake kit for ~$1k and sport springs for ~$1k.

You'll be slightly over but faster.

[heavyD]

Why don't they just drop in the Civic SI engine, sell it at a decent price and call it a day? That powerplant would be enough to turn this car into a modern day CRX. This $6000 hybrid business simply isn't going to sell. Heck the car doesn't sell anyway so you have to question why it even exists. Stunning how a company like Honda could botch such a simple concept.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by heavyD
Why don't they just drop in the Civic SI engine, sell it at a decent price and call it a day? That powerplant would be enough to turn this car into a modern day CRX. This $6000 hybrid business simply isn't going to sell. Heck the car doesn't sell anyway so you have to question why it even exists. Stunning how a company like Honda could botch such a simple concept.

Because then no one will buy a Civic SI. They don't want to ruin their bread and butter.

At least that's my take on it.

[XylathaneGTR]

Originally posted by flipstah


Because then no one will buy a Civic SI. They don't want to ruin their bread and butter.

At least that's my take on it.
Two seater isn't practical for everyone...
Might cut into the Si sales a little bit, but I doubt it would make a substantial impact. How many CRZs has Calgary Honda sold...7?

[88CRX]

They should have released this supercharger kit when the CRZ was released 3 years ago... little late to add it now as the model is 3 years old already.

However $6k for the factory warrantee supercharger kit (and other HPD stuff) is a steal IMO.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by XylathaneGTR

Two seater isn't practical for everyone...
Might cut into the Si sales a little bit, but I doubt it would make a substantial impact. How many CRZs has Calgary Honda sold...7?

I think people buy the Civic SI because it's the cheapest fast car on the market. If the CR-Z SI existed, then they'd have to axe the Civic SI.

If you wanted >2 seats, they'd push you for a base Accord.

[jsn]

Originally posted by flipstah


I think people buy the Civic SI because it's the cheapest fast car on the market. If the CR-Z SI existed, then they'd have to axe the Civic SI.

If you wanted >2 seats, they'd push you for a base Accord.

I don't know about that. I think a lot of people would chose a civic SI over a CR-Z SI simply because of the fact that it's a 4 seater so you get the best of both worlds. I doubt a CR-Z SI would cut into civic sales much, if at all. The accord is quite a bit larger than the civic and cr-z. It's in a different category of car all together.

I agree though, that this came out way too late. The initial hype over the CR-Z is long over. This should have been an option right from the get go.

[Mibz]

These are humans we're talking about. I'd say the Civic is likely to sell far more because the kind of person that's choosing between a Civic and CRZ probably values exterior appearance a lot more than anything on the spec sheet.