Joe Rogan - The American War Machine

[Zephyr]

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[kevie88]

Thanks for the post.

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[spikerS]

I could never take anything Joe Rogan says seriously.

[Cos]

50 bucks Joe Rogan goes to jail in the next 24 months on some bullshit charge. Like Tommy Chong

[spikerS]

Originally posted by Cos
50 bucks Joe Rogan goes to jail in the next 24 months on some bullshit charge. Like Tommy Chong

I say he goes to jail in the next 12, but it won't be for a bullshit charge. I swear that guy is on a permanent IV line to some high grade heroin.

Every time I see him, mostly on UFC PPV, the guy looks like he is absolutely fucking sky high!

[95teetee]

Originally posted by spikers
I could never take anything Joe Rogan says seriously. he gets a bad rap because of...well, he's Joe Rogan:D


but he generally knows what the fuck he's talking about. Especially if it's about Carlos Menstealia lol.

[Graham_A_M]

Originally posted by 95teetee
he gets a bad rap because of...well, he's Joe Rogan:D


but he generally knows what the fuck he's talking about. Especially if it's about Carlos Menstealia lol.

I find these "American War machine" conspiracy talks very foolish. The US spends half of its GDP (A measly 1 trillion per year) on military spending. Its remarkable how fast the US is bringing itself to financial ruin, to keep its thumb on the world? how much are they seriously making on their "war machine" efforts to justify the mass spending and abysmal debt crisis their knowingly allowing themselves to get into?

The amount of enemies they have, and the amount they have to spend to keep them in the shadows doesn't make sense in relation to the money they may make on their bullshit wars. They piss away $300 billion a year (let that number sink in for a bit) on just INTEREST on their debt.

To me it seems very illogical. Its like stealing $5 from the school bully, and paying him $50 a week to keep him from beating the shit out of you because of your actions. Only to do that to a vast multitude of people, and do it over, and over, and OVER again.
Am I missing something here?


:confused: :dunno:

[ChappedLips]

^^ He is saying the corporations don't give a shit about America, they could care less if the United States goes into more debt.

I don't necessarily agree with Joe but he brings up some good points. I do think the American political system is corrupt with all the lobbyists and the dollars they contribute to political campaigns. If anyone wants to get elected they have no choice but to cave into some corporations demands.

[CUG]

Wicked video. Thanks Zephyr. So true.

Edit: Save for the tower 7 discussion. The rest of it was spot on.

[LollerBrader]

Originally posted by Graham_A_M


I find these "American War machine" conspiracy talks very foolish. The US spends half of its GDP (A measly 1 trillion per year) on military spending. Its remarkable how fast the US is bringing itself to financial ruin, to keep its thumb on the world? how much are they seriously making on their "war machine" efforts to justify the mass spending and abysmal debt crisis their knowingly allowing themselves to get into?


While this may not be a good national strategy, it's making the oligarchs rich. These oligarchs, who run the nation, are not acting in the national interest - They're acting in their own interest.

The American people, who have been such starry-eyed enablers, will be the ultimate bagholders.

[Freeskier]

Originally posted by spikers
I could never take anything Joe Rogan says seriously.

I definitely take it with a grain of salt, but it's not like he's making wild claims. Most of what he says is just common sense. I like what he's got to say for the most part, and was pleasantly surprised that who I thought was some idiot UFC commentator actually has a brain lol.

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by Graham_A_M


I find these "American War machine" conspiracy talks very foolish. The US spends half of its GDP (A measly 1 trillion per year) on military spending. Its remarkable how fast the US is bringing itself to financial ruin, to keep its thumb on the world? how much are they seriously making on their "war machine" efforts to justify the mass spending and abysmal debt crisis their knowingly allowing themselves to get into?

The amount of enemies they have, and the amount they have to spend to keep them in the shadows doesn't make sense in relation to the money they may make on their bullshit wars. They piss away $300 billion a year (let that number sink in for a bit) on just INTEREST on their debt.

To me it seems very illogical. Its like stealing $5 from the school bully, and paying him $50 a week to keep him from beating the shit out of you because of your actions. Only to do that to a vast multitude of people, and do it over, and over, and OVER again.
Am I missing something here?


:confused: :dunno:

We don't go into debt because we want to, it's because us regular American citizens don't have any true power or voice. Yes I have the power to vote, but when someone has a ton of cash to buy several votes, suddenly my one vote seems less significant. Then we are forced to do things in certain ways guided by laws and enforced by fear. Fear of being taken away, and fear of being punished financially. However we get told that fear is justified for our own safety. Getting our balls touched before we get to go on a vacation. Our representatives dont do much, most of them get their pockets lined with cash and continue to create new laws to fence us in. Look at net neutrality being challenged, it's truly a control of knowledge. The Internet is the greatest tool of education of knowledge, but now they are trying to censor it. Why? Because knowledge is power, and if you control that, then the sheep won't get rowdy. This country has been sold to corporations, and it seems like it's getting worse. And now it's trying influence other nations.

[Graham_A_M]

^ I can see that from an American perspective. Excluding the California & New York state people; Im amazed at just how simple and easy it is to shape peoples perception.
Clever advertising is all you need to gain votes, as sad as it is in its very core, I have a difficult time swallowing the idea that a few ruthless corporations are allowed to create the havoc that has been plaguing the states for the last 50 years. A few corporations making a buck on their fellow citizens is one thing, but still allowing these bribing corps to navigate the US's external affairs all for their own bottom line seems a bit over the top, considering it happened in too many examples in the last half century.

Yes you can shape peoples vote and rally interest with almost mathematical certainty, (Even the average Canadian would switch parties if offered $500) but I think most people understand just how viciously in debt their country is.
For these said corps to be allowed free reign on the governments resources, spending & international affairs almost seems surreal.

Im sure you're very right as per your knowledge to which I dont have access to, but I have a tough time believing its almost a given esoteric cult thats deciding the future for a measly 300 million people.

It would be interesting if the US mirrored Germany/Japan after WWII, and just stepped down from being the international "Big Brother". If they could cut their spending down to $300 billion, it would be interesting to see the possible outcomes.
But thanks to the decisions of past leaders thats not possible for many more years.

[Modelexis]

Originally posted by Graham_A_M
(A measly 1 trillion per year) on military spending.

This is the problem.
What planet do you live on that you think a trillion dollars is no big deal. (10 trillion since the US has been in war for the last 10 yrs or so.

In a few years you might be correct in saying a trillion is no big deal, because the currency will be so fucked from inflation that it will be true.

A trillion dollars is 3000$ for every man woman and child living in the USA right now, PER YEAR.

the state is placing children too young to speak 3k$ in debt per year.
If a child is born in 2001 and the war goes on for 15 years until he or she is old enough to get a job and make money, they are already 50k in debt for the war that was started before they were born before they are legally allowed to work a day in their life, only to have a third of it taken off the top for the following periods of war.

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by Modelexis
What planet do you live on that you think a trillion dollars is no big deal.

The same planet where sarcasm exists, I'm guessing...

[Sugarphreak]

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[BigMass]

Rogan is knowledgeable in a diverse range of topics. He’d be far more entertaining to engage in conversation than a specialist that can only talk about one subject. If you listen to his podcast and the general range of conversations he has you can clearly see his intelligence. He’s been vocal on a wide range of topics since the 90s and he has well formed opinions. Don’t hate unless you can stand in front of the man and engage in a face to face debate.

[BigMass]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Funny, he makes his point and then counters it in nearly the same breath;

"There is a lot of stuff that affects us, people would like to vote, but they don't get to vote"

"The problem is really dumb people, they get a say in everything too"

the video is a cut n paste of many audio clips that have no context. That’s why you can have contrarian statements. That’s why I generally hate complied monologues that really mean nothing. If you want to debate Rogan on a specific topic post on his forum, email him or call him up during his podcast.

[Graham_A_M]

Originally posted by Modelexis

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Dude, are you serious? Yes I was being very sarcastic with that "measly" comment, as to show the grave significance.
Yes I wholly agree that 1 trillion is a LOT of money.

WOW I can't believe that went over your head.

(Find me a guy that doesn't understand how much money that is)
:confused:

[ZenOps]

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Its only $127,000 per taxpayer. Which is actually very manageable compared to Ireland. The US can and has the ability to put away 5-digits every year if there was a will, which means its definitely doable within one generation. Heck if they really wanted to, they could pay it off in ten years.

I say the US takes one more QEIII and takes the international downgrade one notch to buy bullwhips. And then start cracking them whips, take $10K from every paycheque of everyone and make them eat oatmeal for breakfast and rice with human genes for dinner.

I want them to pay it off now, because like all things - As a Canadian I'm on the receiving end of the money. I don't want them to delay it 30 years (because heck, I can't use it then, and so far I don't have any kids who will benefit from it later.) Pay Now! Pay Now!

That Baby Doc landed in Haiti and was not immediately assasinated - shows that the world is still receptive to despotic dictators. Get out that whip Obama, whip the US back into shape!

[BigMass]

Originally posted by ZenOps
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Its only $127,000 per taxpayer. Which is actually very manageable compared to Ireland. The US can and has the ability to put away 5-digits every year if there was a will, which means its definitely doable within one generation. Heck if they really wanted to, they could pay it off in ten years.

I say the US takes one more QEIII and takes the international downgrade one notch to buy bullwhips. And then start cracking them whips, take $10K from every paycheque of everyone and make them eat oatmeal for breakfast and rice with human genes for dinner.

Woah there cowboy. The 14 trillion doesn’t include any unfunded liabilities like social security and Fannie and Freddie debt and obligations which are off the books. The entire debt picture is looking closer to an estimated 80-110 trillion. There is no way that the US can ever pay this and will default one way or another. Obviously this will happen through monetization by the Fed. The public won’t ever have to suffer tax increases. That’s political suicide for those trying to stay in power. They’ll just have all their money taken away through inflation and be oblivious to how it happened.

[Modelexis]

Whoops, I read the intro and stopped reading thinking it was just more of the same. :angel:

[LollerBrader]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Funny, he makes his point and then counters it in nearly the same breath;

"There is a lot of stuff that affects us, people would like to vote, but they don't get to vote"

"The problem is really dumb people, they get a say in everything too"

Oh, you're so clever.

[Sugarphreak]

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[elesdee]

Originally posted by BigMass
They’ll just have all their money taken away through inflation and be oblivious to how it happened.

Perhaps we will see the end of the world in 2012 after all.

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by Graham_A_M


Im sure you're very right as per your knowledge to which I dont have access to, but I have a tough time believing its almost a given esoteric cult thats deciding the future for a measly 300 million people.

It would be interesting if the US mirrored Germany/Japan after WWII, and just stepped down from being the international "Big Brother". If they could cut their spending down to $300 billion, it would be interesting to see the possible outcomes.
But thanks to the decisions of past leaders thats not possible for many more years.

I read a lot of news sources online, ones that seem neutral to me (or so I hope) and then I see the news on the television (CNN, fox, msnbc, etc) it's so sad how they able to brain wash my countrymen with bullshit. From calling Assange a traitor when he isn't a US citizen, and how celebrity gossip takes priority over the BP oil spill, the several wars we are in, etc. I truly believe since America is so integrated and dependent on popular media, Americans are so blind to what is going on. For example the damage done by the BP oil spill is still there and still needs to be addressed, but who cares because Kat Von D is getting married to Jesse James! Or the TSA is still giving happy endings to grandmas, but who cares because the Jersey Shore is on! (ok I'll admit I sometimes watch that show)

It's so sad how our ADD is so bad, and how us Americans forget, or even how ignorant we can be. And with this we are brainwashed by media, controlled by a growing police state (my friend recently had to pay registration on his bicycle, yes the one you power with your legs, so he can ride it outside without facing a $400 fine) and these big corporations buy out our "representatives" or implant their own. But what happens when we start to question things? Give them a Verizon iPhone, they will forget right after. War in where? Medical insurance reform what? Katrina, you mean that stripper? Weakening dollar what now?

Add one part corrupt bankers + another part corrupt politicians + two parts fear + liberally sprinkle brainwashing media. Stir with a police baton till mixed throughly. Tah-dah you have a nice dish of Amerrricaaa, fuck yea!

[ZenOps]

Originally posted by BigMass


Woah there cowboy. The 14 trillion doesn’t include any unfunded liabilities like social security and Fannie and Freddie debt and obligations which are off the books. The entire debt picture is looking closer to an estimated 80-110 trillion. There is no way that the US can ever pay this and will default one way or another. Obviously this will happen through monetization by the Fed. The public won’t ever have to suffer tax increases. That’s political suicide for those trying to stay in power. They’ll just have all their money taken away through inflation and be oblivious to how it happened.

I don't think the US as a country will default. Cities will default, and the rest of the US will carve them up and eat their own cities like cannibals. It probably won't even be that violent either, everyone will probably be to depressed to care.

Value will not be lost - unless someone does something stupid like sets their house on fire. Like London, you can have multi million dollar mansions abandoned - but it does go to the squatters (so technically, the tangible value of the house is not lost, its just you aren't getting taxes off it anymore)

The US is having problems paying the interest sure. Just like regular individuals are having problems paying the minimum payments, nevermind the suggested, or the full amount on their credit cards.

But I think they need a wake up call. Set the bar where it should be - pay the suggested or full amount or do it the good old fashioned Roman British way, you lose your house and/or are decimated (corporate or otherwise) Put the fear back into borrowing money and owing debts, threaten to break a few thumbs or bring in Charles III to take over the country.

Bring in Rob Anders, he likes cutting noses off.

[sexualbanana]

His points about leading dumb sheep is actually pretty interesting and relevant.

But I find it a little funny that Rogan uses the movie JFK as his muse when saying that Governments may or may not be willing to engage in war for corporate profit. A movie that, while a still a good movie, was also infamous for taking a lot of liberties with the real event. I think he could have used a better reference.