did u just buy a 98 green durango

[mrlucky1313]

so hears a story for who ever bought a 98 durango from country auto about 2 weeks ago.

i sold my durango to them for $2,100 with 280,000km

2 days later they sold it for $5,000
but what they dont know is that the kms were changed to 190,000km

who ever bought this durango got ripped off and i would let the owner know he got takin for a run and should take a stand and take the durango back and get something with lower kms

durango had flow master exhaust


i hate when people change the clunster and fuck with the kms on a car to make a quick buck

[revelations]

Originally posted by mrlucky1313
so hears a story for who ever bought a 98 durango from country auto about 2 weeks ago.

i sold my durango to them for $2,100 with 280,000km

2 days later they sold it for $5,000
but what they dont know is that the kms were changed to 190,000km

who ever bought this durango got ripped off and i would let the owner know he got takin for a run and should take a stand and take the durango back and get something with lower kms

durango had flow master exhaust


i hate when people change the clunster and fuck with the kms on a car to make a quick buck

How do you know the mileage was tampered with?

[mrlucky1313]

it was on kijiji with 190,000 for 4900 the next week

[Zero102]

That isn't enough to say it was misrepresented to the buyer as having 190,000km. If you had viewed the vehicle and had seen the odometer maybe that would be enough, but a simple typo on Kijiji a fraud does not make.

[A790]

Originally posted by Zero102
That isn't enough to say it was misrepresented to the buyer as having 190,000km. If you had viewed the vehicle and had seen the odometer maybe that would be enough, but a simple typo on Kijiji a fraud does not make.
While I agree with you, we ARE talking about Chinook Auto Sales here...

[davesparky6]

Used car lots always pull that crap, a few years back I went to look at a ford escape ltd, 2005 with 80, 000 km, when I got there it was a rat-bagged piece of junk with 250,000 on the clock.
"Well can I show you something else?" says the salesman.
Maybe they just hadn't gotten around to rolling the odo back.

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by Zero102
a simple typo on Kijiji a fraud does not make.

Ok Yoda.

He's right though - perhaps the ad was incorrect. Easy to figure out if you do manage to find the new owner though.

I find it hard to believe a dealership would be this blatant though - even questionable ones. Way too easy to get caught.

[Zero102]

Originally posted by Kloubek

I find it hard to believe a dealership would be this blatant though - even questionable ones. Way too easy to get caught.

Exactly this, odometer fraud is one of the oldest tricks in the book. I report mine every time I buy or sell a car to help prevent anybody in the future from getting screwed this way.

Generally dealerships will mis-report the mileage when they are posting ads online to try and draw people in to view the vehicles so they can start the high pressure in-person sales tactics.

I would bet the odometer still read 280k if they sold it. Most likely they sent it to auction or took significantly less than the $4900 they were asking if it went that quick.

[corsvette]

I remember selling my old GMC truck a few yrs ago to some guy off Kijiji, it had 350,000kms when i sold it to him.
A few weeks later i see it back on Kijiji (it was a VERY distinctive truck) with 150,000 kms along with this bs decription that he inherited it from his father in law etc... triple the price i sold it to him for. A month or so later a AMVIC guy showed up at my place asking ME if i had rolled the odo back, he got busted anyhow as this weas not the first time he did that.
It's not allways the seedy used lots that turn back odometers. It's also a criminal offence with huge fines or jail tim. just not worth the extra $$ imo

[mrlucky1313]

ya thats the problem with digital cars, easy to swap out the old one for a lower km one

[Zero102]

Originally posted by mrlucky1313
ya thats the problem with digital cars, easy to swap out the old one for a lower km one


Actually, cars with digital odometers have made it more difficult. With a mechanical one you could sometimes roll them back, or just swap the whole cluster. Newer cars have cluster IDs embedded into other devices in the body, such as transmission computers, ECU's and body control modules which will all refuse to work should any component's ID change.

[Moe Man]

the big dealerships do it too, just in a different way. its a door crasher, they will have 3 or 4 simalar cars on canadatrader, one will have super low km and the others will be higher and the price is the same for all. In reality there is no low km car there (they say its been sold) just to get you calling. and then they try and sucker you into the higher km ones.

[J-hop]

Originally posted by Zero102



Actually, cars with digital odometers have made it more difficult. With a mechanical one you could sometimes roll them back, or just swap the whole cluster. Newer cars have cluster IDs embedded into other devices in the body, such as transmission computers, ECU's and body control modules which will all refuse to work should any component's ID change.

was going to say, I know with newer VAG cars it is not a simple task to swap clusters.

[mrlucky1313]

i know in dodge trucks its as easy as acouple screws and just swap the old for the new one, i know a guy that did it to his dakoda along time ago. just went to pick n pull and got a low km cluster and popped it in.

but who knows till we track down that durango

[01RedDX]

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[spike98]

Originally posted by J-hop


was going to say, I know with newer VAG cars it is not a simple task to swap clusters.

But with the proper software/hardware its VERY easy to change the odo without a cluster swap.

[Zero102]

Yes, on VAG cars it is remarkably easy with the correct software ;)

That said, it is highly illegal to tamper with the odometer on any vehicle, not to mention unethical. It should never be done under any circumstances except when "rolling forward" an odometer to match your vehicle's true mileage.

Also on VAG cars it is the cluster that refuses to play nice with everything else instead of the other way around.

[CMW403]

never thought there could be so much VAG in a car thread.

[Guillermo]

the mileage inconsistency would show up in the carfax/carproof, but I guess it's the unsuspecting consumer who doesn't do the proper background checking who gets screwed.

[J-hop]

Originally posted by Zero102
Yes, on VAG cars it is remarkably easy with the correct software ;)

That said, it is highly illegal to tamper with the odometer on any vehicle, not to mention unethical. It should never be done under any circumstances except when "rolling forward" an odometer to match your vehicle's true mileage.

Also on VAG cars it is the cluster that refuses to play nice with everything else instead of the other way around.

if I am correct (i'll have to check with my buddy who was a VW tech) you can only roll the odometer forward with dealer software.

unless there is some software I don't know of.

Edit: looks like with the ross-tech with a NEW cluster you can change it once, but it specifically notes you can never change this again, so you'd have to buy a new cluster for the vehicle.

[ddduke]

Wouldn't something pop up when the preson registered the car?

If I bought a car with 200000, sold it at 300000, the new buyer rolled it back to 150000 and got it registered. Wouldn't the people at the registries immediately say something? Or do they overlook this? Does it pop up in their system?

[Mar]

Registries have no idea how many kilometers are on the car when you register the vehicle.

[Zero102]

Originally posted by J-hop


if I am correct (i'll have to check with my buddy who was a VW tech) you can only roll the odometer forward with dealer software.

unless there is some software I don't know of.

Edit: looks like with the ross-tech with a NEW cluster you can change it once, but it specifically notes you can never change this again, so you'd have to buy a new cluster for the vehicle.

I don't think anybody was talking about DEALER software:devil:

[J-hop]

Originally posted by Zero102


I don't think anybody was talking about DEALER software:devil:

well are you talking ross-tech or ebay's equivalent then? LOL. You can do way more with the software the techs at the VW dealerships have at their disposal than you can with any "underground" software hands down. Some claim that ebay "VAG tacho" can rollback but that shit is garbage and not that anyone would admit it but I have yet to hear of someone actually successfully doing so. Post pics??

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by ddduke
Wouldn't the people at the registries immediately say something? Or do they overlook this? Does it pop up in their system?

Only if the original owner had been including his mileage on the annual registration, that's an optional thing, not mandatory.

[ddduke]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


Only if the original owner had been including his mileage on the annual registration, that's an optional thing, not mandatory.

What I meant is when you initially buy it and on the bill of sale/back of registration you mark the mileage. Do they not record this?

Wouldn't they see that when it was registered in 2000 it had 300000km then when someone else registered it in 2009 it had 175000km?

[Zero102]

Originally posted by J-hop


well are you talking ross-tech or ebay's equivalent then? LOL. You can do way more with the software the techs at the VW dealerships have at their disposal than you can with any "underground" software hands down. Some claim that ebay "VAG tacho" can rollback but that shit is garbage and not that anyone would admit it but I have yet to hear of someone actually successfully doing so. Post pics??

You are asking me to post pics for proof of something that is highly illegal to do. VAG odometers can be rolled back with software and hardware that is not obtained from or used by the dealerships. That is all I can and will say.

The point of my initial argument was that the OP was complaining that with digital odometers you can simply swap them making fraud simple, I was just pointing out that issue also existed (or should I say started) with mechanical odometers.

[Zero102]

Originally posted by ddduke


What I meant is when you initially buy it and on the bill of sale/back of registration you mark the mileage. Do they not record this?

Wouldn't they see that when it was registered in 2000 it had 300000km then when someone else registered it in 2009 it had 175000km?

Almost nobody reports the odometer readings to the registry. If you fill that section out when buying/selling cars you are part of a small minority. That said, I think everybody should fill this out and I fill it out every time I buy or sell a car.

[freshprince1]

Originally posted by Zero102


Almost nobody reports the odometer readings to the registry. If you fill that section out when buying/selling cars you are part of a small minority. That said, I think everybody should fill this out and I fill it out every time I buy or sell a car.

Is there a section for it on the Bill of Sale? If there is, and you fill it out, does the Registry then input that data? If so then this is an easy way to make people's life a little easier and I'll make sure to do this in the future. (can't remember if I'd done it in the past).

[2BLUE]

Originally posted by Zero102


You are asking me to post pics for proof of something that is highly illegal to do. VAG odometers can be rolled back with software and hardware that is not obtained from or used by the dealerships. That is all I can and will say.

The point of my initial argument was that the OP was complaining that with digital odometers you can simply swap them making fraud simple, I was just pointing out that issue also existed (or should I say started) with mechanical odometers.

You can change odometers all you want, its not illegal.

Not declaring it is illegal.

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by Zero102


Almost nobody reports the odometer readings to the registry. If you fill that section out when buying/selling cars you are part of a small minority. That said, I think everybody should fill this out and I fill it out every time I buy or sell a car.

I have to disagree with you there. Most people use a bill of sale as opposed to simply signing over their registration, and it is part of the mandatory fields. I do not, however, have proof that the information is actually recorded somewhere...

[turbotrip]

Originally posted by Zero102


Almost nobody reports the odometer readings to the registry. If you fill that section out when buying/selling cars you are part of a small minority. That said, I think everybody should fill this out and I fill it out every time I buy or sell a car.

actually almost everybody records the km's when making a bill of sale or signing over the back of the registration.

and the registries keep photocopies of them now so they should have them on file

[G-ZUS]

On my old Prelude, it had 197,3xx KM. I recorded the mileage as 197 000 when I went to register it. 1 month later or so I got a letter saying my odometer might have been tampered with.

[zipdoa]

Considering Carproof's and MFI's are mandatory with pre-owned vehicle sales, odometer tampering seems unlikely. The Carproof must be reviewed as part of the paperwork.