Where your morals at?

[derpderp]

I've always enjoyed asking this question to people, it can say lots about the kind of person you are.

If you could own a huge tobacco corporation making you a multi-millionaire and very powerful, but the obvious cost being you command an industry that is pretty much on the level of smut producers in societies eyes and your company would obviously be peddler of an addictive and deadly addiction, would you do it?

[msommers]

I liked Thank you for Smoking. Good movie.

[derpderp]

Originally posted by msommers
I liked Thank you for Smoking. Good movie.

I forgot about that movie, I'll have to watch it again.

[FraserB]

Someone is going to do it and people will still willingly stuff their bodies with poisons. Might as well use some of the money for some good if I could direct where it went.

[AE92_TreunoSC]

Morals are your own perception. Anything can seem morally acceptable.

I'd sell cigarettes, its a commodity that people want so I'd happily profit off of it. As long as it wasn't influenced towards the youth I see nothing wrong with it.

That is my perception.

[derpderp]

Originally posted by AE92_TreunoSC
Morals are your own perception. Anything can seem morally acceptable.

I'd sell cigarettes, its a commodity that people want so I'd happily profit off of it. As long as it wasn't influenced towards the youth I see nothing wrong with it.

That is my perception.

Despite what people want to try and say, I really doubt these days tobacco companies try and influence youth to smoke, I just can't see it, its already ingrained into our culture enough they have to do nothing much more but sit back and profit.

That is how I think most people look at it too, its like a type of smokers perception that leads people to have no problem with owning a tobacco producer, it isn't going to pose a immediate danger to people who use it and they want it. But I bet the perception would be different if packaged and sold hard drugs to addicts and could watch them shed away before your eyes.

[swak]

From some random guy i was talking to at the Stampede poker room. "On the poker dont be sympathetic for anyone here"
.. as i was taking it easy on a couple new kids at the NL table.

Same goes for business. Selling a crappy used car, or whatnot....

So yeah. I'd open the business.

[CMW403]

In a second, and I hate smoking.

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by CMW403
In a second, and I hate smoking.

I tend to agree with this. Its why in reality, I SORT of agree with legalizing all drugs (but dropping all social support programs for them). I come back to choice: is it morally reprehensible to allow somebody to do something bad to themselves if they WANT to?

Some would say the owners of McDonalds are as bad as the tobacco owners...

[CMW403]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


I tend to agree with this. Its why in reality, I SORT of agree with legalizing all drugs (but dropping all social support programs for them). I come back to choice: is it morally reprehensible to allow somebody to do something bad to themselves if they WANT to?

Some would say the owners of McDonalds are as bad as the tobacco owners...

:thumbsup:

Somebody has to capitalize on bad habits too.

[msommers]

I see it no differently than owning a bar, a liquor store, a beer company etc.

Once 18 in Alberta, you're deemed smart enough to make decisions for yourself. If that includes smoking, getting wasted on a tuesday morning, stuffing yourself with Wendy's and then getting high, so be it.

The issue I would have is lacing your McDicks with something known to be addictive.

[GTS4tw]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


I tend to agree with this. Its why in reality, I SORT of agree with legalizing all drugs (but dropping all social support programs for them). I come back to choice: is it morally reprehensible to allow somebody to do something bad to themselves if they WANT to?

Some would say the owners of McDonalds are as bad as the tobacco owners...

Exactly, legalize all drugs, bring back the death penalty, and chop off a hand if you're caught stealing. We could cut our prison population in half. People should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect other people. Some people will say that it will cost us more in health care, but in reality we spend the most on people when they are old. You sure don't see a lot of elderly drug addicts, so the drug addicts are actually saving us money by killing themselves off.

I would like to see all laws changed to reflect the golden rule, we should be able to make our own choices about what is right and wrong. There is too much reliance on the government telling us what to do, and when to do it. We are becoming a weaker species because of this reliance on other people. A small example is red lights, if you can see for a mile in every direction and its totally safe to do so, then why can't you run a red light? Because someone told you that you are too stupid to look both ways before crossing, absurd.

We need to take back some control over our lives. Hopefully the younger generation is a bit more open minded and will make some changes once the current regime dies off, but I doubt it.

[sputnik]

Yes.

I am firm believer that anyone should be able to do whatever they want to themselves. So if that means smoking. Might as well provide them what they want.

That said. I am all for restrictive advertising and not selling to minors. Even though at the end of the day I also believe that most smokers smoke because their family and friends smoke. Not because they saw a commercial or ad with "cool people" smoking.

[JRSC00LUDE]

I haven't understood why, at this point, someone hasn't brought an "organic" (so to speak) tobacco to market....you know, clean of all the added processing chemicals and such.

Am I out to lunch here or would there not be a big market for a "less unhealthy/cancerous than the norm" cigarette?

:dunno:

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by derpderp
pretty much on the level of smut producers

Hey now, leave smut producers out of this.

To answer the question, yes, and then I would sell nicotine patches and private health care as well.

[derpderp]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
I haven't understood why, at this point, someone hasn't brought an "organic" (so to speak) tobacco to market....you know, clean of all the added processing chemicals and such.

Am I out to lunch here or would there not be a big market for a "less unhealthy/cancerous than the norm" cigarette?

:dunno:

https://www.nascigs.com/Login/tabid/157/Default.aspx?returnurl=%2fdefault.aspx

I'm a pretty "do whatever you want" type of person myself too, I don't see much need to control the population, but what people do and want to do or what the government stops you from doing are all different from you yourself providing something harmful to others.

Also, I have mixed opinions on relaxing drug laws, although I understand that some people are going to smoke meth and take enough ecstasy until their brain rots away it would seem dangerous to me to openly allow its use.

30% of the population smokes, I doubt it would be even near 1% if it was illegal. Same would go with dangerous drug use if you legitimized them.

[lilmira]

I don't know of any other products with better warning labeling than cigarettes. I mean it shows a picture of what happened to another person using the product, if you still feel like using it, really what more can I do?

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by derpderp


https://www.nascigs.com/Login/tabid/157/Default.aspx?returnurl=%2fdefault.aspx



Well shit son, there you go! I guess if I smoked more, or even looked for it, I would have found it.

At least someone's making money off my idea!!! :rofl:

[Tomaz]

No worse than owning the McDonalds Corp.

No worse than owning a gun manufacturing plant.

No much worse than being head of The Christian Children Fund.

So yes, I would

*Steps outside for a smoke*

[A790]

I wouldn't. There are too many ways to make money that don't come with the moral compromise. You guys can justify it in whatever way you want, but at the end of the day you're a contributing factor to the problem.

[syeve]

I would. Morals don't play a part for me. Over population is the elephant in the room, I would sleep just fine.

[dandia89]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
I haven't understood why, at this point, someone hasn't brought an "organic" (so to speak) tobacco to market....you know, clean of all the added processing chemicals and such.

Am I out to lunch here or would there not be a big market for a "less unhealthy/cancerous than the norm" cigarette?

:dunno:

isn't that just cigars? alot of the additives in cigarettes are made so the tobacco doesn't go bad from not humidifying

[JBreaks]

Alcohol is more addictive and equally as damaging (liver cirrhosis, mouth and throat cancers, stomach bleeding & ulcerations, thinning of blood/vessels, swelling of pancreas, ect.) and its a well accepted and coveted part of society... you dont consider a old Scottish malt distiller, brewer or Winery owner a bastard for practicing their art. Ultimately its the users choice to try, continuing using and die from the use of any given product.

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by JBreaks
liver cirrhosis, mouth and throat cancers, stomach bleeding & ulcerations, thinning of blood/vessels, swelling of pancreas, ect.

That is a little disingenuous, people who drank a couple of fingers of scotch a day (for instance) or a beer or two each day do NOT get these things. Smoking a cigarette (one everyday) will give you cancer (or at least an extremely good chance).

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I would.

[DonJuan]

I would. No worse than being associated with PETA. Instead of costly F1 advertizing donate to a cancer society. If a cure is found and it becomes an easily treatable like the chicken pox then smoking is back to being kool.

[almerick]

I voted yes.

You can also ask, would you own a casino?

[CUG]

Originally posted by A790
I wouldn't. There are too many ways to make money that don't come with the moral compromise. You guys can justify it in whatever way you want, but at the end of the day you're a contributing factor to the problem. I was going to say something similar. The way things are trending, it will be more profitable to own a smoking cessation producing company.

This is no different, really, than owning a KFC or a McDonalds, if you think about it.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by sputnik
Yes.

I am firm believer that anyone should be able to do whatever they want to themselves. So if that means smoking. Might as well provide them what they want.

That said. I am all for restrictive advertising and not selling to minors. Even though at the end of the day I also believe that most smokers smoke because their family and friends smoke. Not because they saw a commercial or ad with "cool people" smoking.

:werd: