Wheeling March 6 Waiparous

[FraserB]

Getting something together for the 6th of March (Sunday). Going out to the Falls or do the winter trails depending on the weather.

Usual requirements;

- 31" tires in good conditions and a full sized spare
- Vehicle mechanically sound
- CB or FRS is a plus
- Tow points front and rear
- Recovery strap
- Be prepared to air down to 15psi or so
- Spare fluids for your rig
- Basic hand tools
- Shovel
- All of the lights on your rig must work
- Plenty of food and water for everyone in the vehicle
- Clothing appropriate to the wearther (boots, gloves, hats), and a change of clothes and shoes for everyone in the vehicle

Plan on meeting at the Smitties in Cochran 9:00 and leave for the trails 9:30.

[Unknown303]

:bigpimp:
Oh yeah. This should work for me.

[ercchry]

yeah, should be free that day

[topher91]

This sounds cool.

Is there a map of the trail?? About how long is the trail ride?

[Unknown303]

Map here;
http://www.srd.alberta.ca/RecreationPublicUse/RecreationOnPublicLand/ForestLandUseZones/documents/GhostFLUZ-LargeMap-Mar2010.pdf

[ercchry]

here is an easier to read map

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2870/waimap.jpg

[stealth131]

are 31' stock on many vehicles? I think my blazer had 29's or 31's

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by stealth131
are 31' stock on many vehicles? I think my blazer had 29's or 31's

Yeah but now we are enforcing a strict AT/MT/WT tire type. Can't handle having people rolling all seasons out there. Doesn't make for a quick moving day.

[stealth131]

Originally posted by Unknown303


Yeah but now we are enforcing a strict AT/MT/WT tire type. Can't handle having people rolling all seasons out there. Doesn't make for a quick moving day. Could you explain the tire types? All I did with mine was went to pick n pull and grabbed 4 tires with good tread :D

[ercchry]

Originally posted by stealth131
Could you explain the tire types? All I did with mine was went to pick n pull and grabbed 4 tires with good tread :D

its simple... does the tire have a m/t or a/t stamped on it or no?

[stealth131]

Originally posted by ercchry


its simple... does the tire have a m/t or a/t stamped on it or no? I have no idea I sold it last year. I'll make sure the next one does though

[manny18]

I think im down. my truck should be ready by then ( i hope ) new mt's should be goin on next week

[CelicaST-162]

Just a heads up.
The snow is deep in many sections, so be prepared.
Bring enough food for yourself and your passengers for up to two days. You never know what the day has in store.
Bring sleeping bags, again enough for everyone in your vehicle.
Bring a shovel, it should be mandatory IMHO. If you're stuck, be ready for digging out there.

[Lucky97]

Originally posted by CelicaST-162
Just a heads up.
The snow is deep in many sections, so be prepared.
Bring enough food for yourself and your passengers for up to two days. You never know what the day has in store.
Bring sleeping bags, again enough for everyone in your vehicle.
Bring a shovel, it should be mandatory IMHO. If you're stuck, be ready for digging out there.

oh yeahhh. the snow is very deep. i would love to go again but after what happen last run i might take it easy this time.
this is kenny btw vic

[Sugarphreak]

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[CelicaST-162]

Originally posted by Lucky97


oh yeahhh. the snow is very deep. i would love to go again but after what happen last run i might take it easy this time.
this is kenny btw vic

You'll be out again in no time:thumbsup: You now have an idea of what to expect, and you seen that in these conditions the AT's prevail!

[FraserB]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
You are not planning on taking the winter trail are you Fraser?

:rofl:

I have your cell number so it's all good.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by FraserB


I have your cell number so it's all good.

those work well out there :rofl:

[Sugarphreak]

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[Alak]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


haha, you beat me to it!

I am thinking about joining you guys out there for this one

Good, we need someone who can test how thick the ice is... :rofl:

[FraserB]

Originally posted by Alak


Good, we need someone who can test how thick the ice is... :rofl:

Too bad we have no one who can pull him out:rofl:

I'm going to keep a tally of who is showing up so we have a rough idea.

[soccernut]

I hope I can make this one if I can get my 4runner going this weekend.

[topher91]

Boo, if the snow is deep, and I'm a noob at this = bad combo. Guess I'll pass :(

I'll wait till some summer runs I guess.

Have fun!!!

[stealth131]

How would a stock gc do on this run?

[FraserB]

I would not bring a stock GC on this run, there is a list of requirements on the first page.


On that note, bring a shovel. We're gonna do the winter trails.

[stealth131]

Originally posted by FraserB
I would not bring a stock GC on this run, there is a list of requirements on the first page.


On that note, bring a shovel. We're gonna do the winter trails. I wanna come! I have the tow spots on it and a/t tires. It's a v8 grand Cherokee so it has better clearance than my blazer did and better tires.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by stealth131
I wanna come! I have the tow spots on it and a/t tires. It's a v8 grand Cherokee so it has better clearance than my blazer did and better tires.

These are winter trails. Most of our rigs have a difficult time on these trails. Stock is a very bad thing for winter trails. Unless it's a Rubicon of course.

[stealth131]

Yea, with a/t and the rest of the list would it be okay ?

[Sugarphreak]

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[stealth131]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Better if you guys cross first, then I will break all the ice behind you ;)

I am still pretty tentative if I can go or not, my work might spill over into my weekend.



You bought a GC? Pics? yeah I did, I'll try and get one up, it's really dirty though it should be green.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak

I am still pretty tentative if I can go or not, my work might spill over into my weekend.

If you go I'll go.

[stealth131]

Here's the gc i got

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll144/stealthy13/655.jpg

[Sugarphreak]

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[Unknown303]

Sweet jesus.

[Sugarphreak]

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[stealth131]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Yeah.... that hill kinda sucked, and you can't go back either.



Looks not too bad, congrats.

What tire size do you have on it? I'll check tomorrow, I know it's bone stock with A/T tires. What size comes stock?

[FraserB]

^ Most likely 225/75r15, thats what was on mine stock.

The only reason we have a set list of requirements that will be enforced is that the winter trails are harder and this is technically a CJA sanctioned open run so there are certain guidelines I follow.

[FraserB]

Originally posted by Unknown303

Unless it's a Rubicon of course.

I seem to remember seeing pictures of a certain Rubicon buried in snow and going nowhere fast.;)

[stealth131]

Originally posted by FraserB
^ Most likely 225/75r15, thats what was on mine stock.

The only reason we have a set list of requirements that will be enforced is that the winter trails are harder and this is technically a CJA sanctioned open run so there are certain guidelines I follow. are they 31's ? I can't check till later today.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by stealth131
are they 31's ? I can't check till later today.

Nope, 28". Most ZJs run a 2" BB (coil spacer) lift to clear 31's.

[stealth131]

So I can't come with a/t 28 inch tires ?

[CelicaST-162]

Originally posted by stealth131
So I can't come with a/t 28 inch tires ?

Do you have all of the aforementioned requirements on page 1? It's not that hard to understand really, if you don't have those items... You will be "the guy" that holds everyone up with getting stuck and all. Sorry if I come across as an A hole, but on these winter trails you can't fuck around. The snow is deep, and it gets cold. So you need to be sure that you are on par with the requirements! You would be fine in the summer time, but with these winter loops... You'll be screwed on the first hillclimb on the winter loops and let me tell you there are MANY steep and loong hill climbs.

[stealth131]

Originally posted by CelicaST-162


Do you have all of the aforementioned requirements on page 1? It's not that hard to understand really, if you don't have those items... You will be "the guy" that holds everyone up with getting stuck and all. Sorry if I come across as an A hole, but on these winter trails you can't fuck around. The snow is deep, and it gets cold. So you need to be sure that you are on par with the requirements! You would be fine in the summer time, but with these winter loops... You'll be screwed on the first hillclimb on the winter loops and let me tell you there are MANY steep and loong hill climbs. Looks like the only thing i'm missing is a few inches of tire :(

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by FraserB


I seem to remember seeing pictures of a certain Rubicon buried in snow and going nowhere fast.;)

And that was on 35's too. :cry:

[Sugarphreak]

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[Unknown303]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


You are not the only one, I seem to get high centered on everything despite being on 35's.

I am starting to wonder if maybe a huge smooth skid plate would help me slide off over things more easily!

On trail it was no problem.. But driving through a clearing I dropped off some shelf and it was just way way to deep.

[Sugarphreak]

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[manny18]

i think im ready...

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac75/manuelmolina18/190431_10150145515157938_506497937_8116031_3677683_n.jpg?t=1299127773

butttttt...... i cant come this sunday any more

[TacoMexicano]

Stock vehicles are a no-no on this one hey? Too bad :(

[FraserB]

^You meet the req's, your Islander has 32's and tow points.

[TacoMexicano]

It does, however judging by what the posts look like, it might not be something easy to do in a stock vehicle? I dunno I had fun last time we went... even made it up that redonk hill to the falls.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by TacoMexicano
It does, however judging by what the posts look like, it might not be something easy to do in a stock vehicle? I dunno I had fun last time we went... even made it up that redonk hill to the falls.

I'd say your Jeep would have a good change making it. It definitely meets the requirements set.

[FraserB]

This is going ahead, the high on Sunday is supposed to be around -8*C so the right clothes are a good idea.

We are doing the winter loop, so I can't make a firm guarantee on the time we will be off the trail but every effort will be made.

Req's are on the front page. Tow points are NOT OPTIONAL, same with warm clothing and food.

We are meeting at Smitties in Cochrane at 9AM, leaving for the trails at 9:30 sharp. If you want to eat first, show up early. a full tank of gas in needed before leaving.

Any questions, concerns, etc... PM me.

[chrispl]

how are the hills on the winter loop? i despise hills

[Lucky97]

i hate to say it but i had tires like those on my truck and didnt do very well out there a few weekends ago

[Sugarphreak]

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[Unknown303]

So did anyone make it out alive?

[Sugarphreak]

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[FraserB]

Just got back at 8:30, no more 4x4 for me:eek:

Snapped the front driveshaft.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/fraserbrown1986/IMAG0162.jpg

Got stuck, twice.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/fraserbrown1986/IMAG0155.jpg

I couldn't go over 80kph on the way home since all 4 tires are packed with ice.


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/fraserbrown1986/IMAG0163.jpg


But before all that, this happened.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/fraserbrown1986/IMAG0150.jpg

Locked D35c with 33's and chains puked a shaft. Got him off the trails like this.

Tons of fun:thumbsup:

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Man, of all the bad times to break a shaft. Good work getting him off the trail!

I always wondered though, will the caliper on a rear semi-float with disc brakes keep the axle retained if it breaks? It'd probably stress the caliper and the pad would be dragging the whole way, but would it be enough to get a guy off the trail without the external retaining rig?

[Unknown303]

Wow am I glad that I didn't go this time. Trying to save my rig for warmer weather.