Setting Up My Radar Detector

[Feruk]

So I finally took the leap a few weeks ago and bought a radar detector. I got tired of cops "hatin' and tryin' to catch me riding dirty" (speeding tickets). For those with experience; what frequencies should I ensure I have it detect to pick up (a) highway cops, and (b) city cops?

[Agent_Oorange]

City uses laser so it won't be of much use.

[Feruk]

It detects laser as well; granted by that point it's typically too late.

[Idratherbsidewayz]

Most radar guns are on Ka, but I've seen K in certain areas of the states. Usually X is communications between truckers or door frequencies.

[Mibz]

I'd disable Ku, K and X in the city and, maybe this has changed in the last 2 years but, re-enable K on the highway.

Ku is used by some traffic signals. I'm not sure what for, but I'd often pick it up at the intersection of 162nd and Shawville Blvd. I think you can safely disable it though, I read that it's only used for radar guns in Europe.

[Xtrema]

Ka is the only band I picked up cops @.

[J@Tuner]

Originally posted by Mibz
I'd disable Ku, K and X in the city and, maybe this has changed in the last 2 years but, re-enable K on the highway.

Ku is used by some traffic signals. I'm not sure what for, but I'd often pick it up at the intersection of 162nd and Shawville Blvd. I think you can safely disable it though, I read that it's only used for radar guns in Europe.

Bang on, you got it down, just make sure you put K on for the highway as RCMP does still use it (hit 4 times last summer on Hwy 2). Ku is used outside of North American, not required for our highways & citys.

We carry Beltronics & Escort radar detectors in stock. Laser detection will be useless in preventing you a ticket, you need a laser jammer for that. We have Blinder laser jammers in stock and I have one Laser Interceptor dual head in stock as well. If you are interested in any of the products, shoot me a PM with your phone number or email or send an email to [email protected] and we will definitely help you out! You can also stop by anytime and view our displays and see what we have in stock for your needs.

[luxor]

Just curious what detector did you buy?

Also ditto to the above: K, Ka, and laser for highway and Ka and laser only for city.

[bspot]

They aren't useless in the city, I pick up ghost cars and photo all the time with Ka.

[frizzlefry]

Agreed with everyone. Ka and laser in the city, add K when on the highway. I have only seen a marked cop car use Ka once, 99% of the Ka hits I get are photo vans or ghost trucks. I have even seen ghost trucks with old tool boxes installed to make them appear to be work trucks....sneaky sneaky. Those ghost trucks are pretty much to only mobile traffic enforcment I see these days. I get laser hits all the time from lidar traps, my V1 usually picks it up seconds before my jammer goes off. I do get false laser alerts when Infiniti SUVs drive by, some have a laser based cruise control system that triggers a lidar warning I guess.

[Feruk]

Thanks for the help guys. J@Tuner, what's the deal with laser jammers? I was under the impression they were illegal in Alberta?


Originally posted by luxor
Just curious what detector did you buy?


Whistler XTR-540

[Kloubek]

They are not illegal - no.

Just expensive. :)

[frizzlefry]

Originally posted by Feruk
Thanks for the help guys. J@Tuner, what's the deal with laser jammers? I was under the impression they were illegal in Alberta?


Jammers are legal in BC, AB and Sask. Illegal in all other provinces. Be careful in Ontario, even if its disconnected its illegal to even have a jammer or radar detector in your car. Even in your trunk. Only way to have a radar detector/jammer in your vehicle in Ontario is if you are a UPS truck and have a waybill for delivery outside the province.

[Traffic_Cop]

Jammers are completely illegal. You can be charged criminally.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
Jammers are completely illegal. You can be charged criminally. Can you cite the law? As far as I can tell there's nothing illegal about jamming laser. Jamming radar is illegal everywhere, but laser is fine.

[J@Tuner]

^^ Correct. Although there is some fighting going on in the east for the laser jammers as they are simply a light emitting device, they do not actually jam any signals like a radar jammer or cause any interference. The same devices also are parking sensors and garage door openers. The problem is the way the Ontario law is written and that it has nothing to do with the devices themselves (jammers, not radar detectors) but that the law is written in a way that anything interfering with the police reading your speed, is illegal, simply put.

[J@Tuner]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
Jammers are completely illegal. You can be charged criminally.

Proof required... we have had judges throw out traffic section charges without a single problem.

[Traffic_Cop]

Errrmmm...... U guys ever heard of obstruction??

[AzNxHyDrA]

I think you're confusing radar jammers vs laser jammers

[Sentry]

I'm having trouble with the radar, sir.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by Feruk
It detects laser as well; granted by that point it's typically too late.

Not "typically" haha. It is, every single time, 100% of the time, too late if your detector picks up laser. It also means the cop is a bad shot with the gun if hes hitting your window and not your headlights (laser beam is only a few inches wide at 500ft or so).

Also radar jammers are highly illegal, laser jammers are not. Laser jammers do not interfere with medical equipment, etc. Also if you're using a laser jammer properly you'll never get caught. You turn it off and slow down the second you get hit with laser so the second reading shows up as normal. If you did get caught, I'm sure you'd get some sort of ticket for it though.

[luxor]

Obstruction of justice? How can the cop prove that? There are so many factors in not being able to get a reading from your car, even an error code displayed from the gun alone can't prove you jammed the gun. Most jammers simple JTG and they can't get a reading right away so the stupid traffic pig won't even realize you are running a jammer. It is not illegal to have laser jammers installed. Laser jammers are also legal parking sensors, like laser cruise control, it just so happens these parking sensors affect lidar guns.

As stated above, as long as you aren't flying down the road at 200km/h or you know to slow down and shut off your jammer as soon as you get hit you are pretty much immune to lidar traps. Laser jammers don't don't allow you to drive like an idiot and not get pulled over, just saves you a couple hundred bucks a year from lidar traps for those who speed a little.

[frizzlefry]

I jammed a lidar trap on Bow trail once (set up after speed was reduced but before construction started, no surprise there). He hit me, I jammed. I started to ease off the throttle, he tried to get me again, jammed again. After slowing down about 8km/h to the exact reduced speed limit I turned off my blinder. He then hit me 3 more times (V1 alerted me) and as I passed he looked at me and held up three fingers and glared as if saying "I got you 3 times buddy, your jammer does not work"....you got me 3 times because I turned it off genius. Anyways, he knew I jammed him yet I was not pulled over or charged. I'm sure if he could have he would have. He looked pretty annoyed.

[frizzlefry]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt


haha. It is, every single time, 100% of the time, too late if your detector picks up laser. It also means the cop is a bad shot with the gun if hes hitting your window and not your headlights (laser beam is only a few inches wide at 500ft or so).


My V1 mounted high picks up laser scatter from cars targeted in front of me all the time. At 1000 feet (common distance that cops will start shooting at) most lidar beams are around 3 feet wide, easily possible to go through the windshield of a car in front of you. Usually if your radar detector goes off you are getting hit but picking up scatter is quite possible if there are cars in front of you.

[Mibz]

Obstruction as per the Criminal Code, I've cut out the only section that really applies:

(1) Every one who wilfully attempts in any manner to obstruct, pervert or defeat the course of justice in a judicial proceeding,

(a) by indemnifying or agreeing to indemnify a surety, in any way and either in whole or in part, or

(b) where he is a surety, by accepting or agreeing to accept a fee or any form of indemnity whether in whole or in part from or in respect of a person who is released or is to be released from custody,

is guilty of

(c) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or

(d) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

(2) Every one who wilfully attempts in any manner other than a manner described in subsection (1) to obstruct, pervert or defeat the course of justice is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years.

Idem

(3) Without restricting the generality of subsection (2), every one shall be deemed wilfully to attempt to obstruct, pervert or defeat the course of justice who in a judicial proceeding, existing or proposed,

(a) dissuades or attempts to dissuade a person by threats, bribes or other corrupt means from giving evidence;

(b) influences or attempts to influence by threats, bribes or other corrupt means a person in his conduct as a juror; or

(c) accepts or obtains, agrees to accept or attempts to obtain a bribe or other corrupt consideration to abstain from giving evidence, or to do or to refrain from doing anything as a juror.,

R.S., c. C-34, s. 127; R.S., c. 2(2nd Supp.), s. 3; 1972, c. 13, s. 8. Well point 2 is so broad that I imagine that's what they'd try to get you on. Points 1 and 3 are too specific and don't apply to the situation.

Could they get you on it? They could probably try. They'd have to prove that you intentionally bought and installed the laser jammer for the sole purpose of preventing police from catching you speeding, and I imagine they'd have a hell of time doing that. I dunno, I just don't see a Cop wasting his time pursuing that.

That said, and I need to emphasize this, laser jammers are not illegal. Using them to obstruct justice is.

[Sentry]

Yeah laser is hard to detect and if you want a REAL defense against it you may as well shell out the big bucks for a jammer.

That said, I've had TWO saves from laser so far with my cheapo whistler. Not just detections, but SAVES. I was ripping it a little both times and I got a KA band alert a couple seconds before I got a laser alert. I guess the officers operating the laser had the dash radar turned on in their patrol cars, that gave me enough warning to react in time and avoid a ticket.

Never had a ticket for any sort of moving violation in 7 years of dicking around.

[msommers]

I bought a radar detector a few months ago and still have yet to see a cop since. The irony...ha.

[frizzlefry]

Originally posted by Mibz
Could they get you on it? They could probably try. They'd have to prove that you intentionally bought and installed the laser jammer for the sole purpose of preventing police from catching you speeding, and I imagine they'd have a hell of time doing that. I dunno, I just don't see a Cop wasting his time pursuing that.


I read about a trial in a jammer friendly US state where a guy JTG’ed a cop (never turned jammer off, cop could not get a reading at all), cop got pissed and pulled him over and charged him with obstruction of a peace officer. The guy fought it and was found not guilty. His argument, and I love this, was that all police officers are supposedly trained to visually assess your speed with the naked eye. Cops hand out tickets all the time for apparently knowing your speed by watching you. He was not preventing the officer from being able to see him and therefore he was not obstructing the officer’s ability to ascertain his speed. Judge agreed, let him go.

[Traffic_Cop]

It would be obstruct a Peace Officer, not obstruct justice. You are preventing me from carrying out my duties (ie jamming my Laser unit). I have had this happen twice. The LTI 20/20 Laser will produce a beam width of approx 30 cm and a distance of 1km. Ie its very accurate. If the unit reads a "jam", simply waive that vehicle in and arrest the driver. I have been a cop for 14years, 9 in traffic. I have over 4500 hours operational experience on Laser. Furthermore have hundreds of hours testyfying in court. So yeah, ill be cocky here, if you think you are gonna come past me with a Jammer and get away with it, you have another thing coming. You will be arrested, vehicle towed and Jammer seized. And for the disbelivers...... Ill see you on the streets.

[Wannago]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
It would be obstruct a Peace Officer, not obstruct justice. You are preventing me from carrying out my duties (ie jamming my Laser unit). I have had this happen twice. The LTI 20/20 Laser will produce a beam width of approx 30 cm and a distance of 1km. Ie its very accurate. If the unit reads a "jam", simply waive that vehicle in and arrest the driver. I have been a cop for 14years, 9 in traffic. I have over 4500 hours operational experience on Laser. Furthermore have hundreds of hours testyfying in court. So yeah, ill be cocky here, if you think you are gonna come past me with a Jammer and get away with it, you have another thing coming. You will be arrested, vehicle towed and Jammer seized. And for the disbelivers...... Ill see you on the streets.

Hahaha.....good try!

A beam width of 30 cm (~12 inches) at a distance of 1 KM (3280 feet)?? Really? REALLY??

Sure, ok...shows how truly qualifed and experienced you really are!

Jam codes? Vehicle towed?? Jammer seized??? C'mon, this only further undermines your purported expertise.

As obstructing a police officer is a criminal charge, and criminal court records are public, would you care to provide proof of the 2 drivers you charged with obstruction? A CanLII link would be perfect..should be no problem for someone with your experience.

You may see me on the streets...but you sure won't tag me with your POS LTI.

Peace...

[luxor]

I'm just going to go ahead and copy and paste this from the LTI user's manual:


The JAM Indicator

If your instrument is configured for it, the JAM indicator on the back panel screen may blink during a measurement accompanied by the JAM tone. It indicates that the instrument is being flooded by light and has had difficulty detecting its own signal.

It means one of two things. Either you are targeting a strong light source such as headlights or a targeted vehicle is employing a LASER-Jamming device.

Regardless of the level of interference you will never get an erroneous speed-reading. At a low level of interference you will get a good speed reading even though the JAM tone sounds and the indicator blinks. At a high level of interference you will get an E07 error condition."
Source:http://www.blinder.dk/pdf_downloads/ultralyte_100_manual.pdf

If I was to point a lidar gun at the sun it would get jammed. If it so happened that the sun was reflecting a strong ray of light from my headlight or windshield to the lidar gun, it would also jam the lidar gun. If somebody was beside me with a laser jammer turned on and their jammer detected the laser light from the lidar, it will jam it for me.

Like I said earlier, the "JAM" indicator can't definitively prove I jammed the gun. Sure cops can accuse you of obstruction but seeing as the cops themselves need to prove that you had your jammer on at the time he/she got the jam code, and it wasn't other factors that caused the jam(faulty lidar gun), and there was no other motorists around me that could have caused the jam (i.e. any Infinitis W/ laser cruise control), and it wasn't the sun or other strong source of light (your headlight). The LTI can shoot a beam of light at me very accurately no doubt about that, but the LTI also has a photoreceptor that receives light back from a convex lens and the LTI isn't dead accurate anymore in that sense. What to stop the gun from receiving rogue light from around my car?

A "JAM" doesn't mean you can't get a reading as stated here:

"At a low level of interference you will get a good speed reading even though the JAM tone sounds and the indicator blinks."

So even though the cop sees "JAM" he/she still got "a good speed reading."


I'm not lawyer and I could come up with that. You can bet your ass a good lawyer will laugh at this obstruction charge.

[xxviet]

i tested a valentine1 radar detector for a whole day...for some reason it only goes off every time i am near a tim hortans :facepalm:

[EG_Civic]

Originally posted by Sentry
Yeah laser is hard to detect and if you want a REAL defense against it you may as well shell out the big bucks for a jammer.

That said, I've had TWO saves from laser so far with my cheapo whistler. Not just detections, but SAVES. I was ripping it a little both times and I got a KA band alert a couple seconds before I got a laser alert. I guess the officers operating the laser had the dash radar turned on in their patrol cars, that gave me enough warning to react in time and avoid a ticket.

Never had a ticket for any sort of moving violation in 7 years of dicking around.

+1 for whistler

[Wannago]

Originally posted by EG_Civic


+1 for whistler

Guys, don't be misled, a radar / laser DETECTOR won't prevent you fro getting a ticket if hit with Lidar. The beam is quite precise (although nowhere near what traffic_cop stated), and by the time your detector alerts, it is too late and the cop already has your speed.

Your best defense is a good laser jammer installed and operated properly.

[Sentry]

Which is exactly what my entire post was about.

[bart]

Originally posted by frizzlefry


My V1 mounted high picks up laser scatter from cars targeted in front of me all the time. At 1000 feet (common distance that cops will start shooting at) most lidar beams are around 3 feet wide, easily possible to go through the windshield of a car in front of you. Usually if your radar detector goes off you are getting hit but picking up scatter is quite possible if there are cars in front of you.

you mean its beeping cause some cars in front of you have LED tail lights that set it off ;)

[Wannago]

Originally posted by Sentry
Which is exactly what my entire post was about.

Sorry OP...back on topic.

Are you talking about band segmentation and which bands to turn off and on?

I know most guys in the 'States, with their STi-R Plus units, are only running bands 2,5 and 8, however I have not seen any definitive answer on what frequencies are used here.

I know most local STi-R Plus users are leaving all bands on, with thier units in tech mode, so that after awhile they can get an idead of the acutal frequencies in use. Eventually, they should be able to exclude certain bands.

I came across this site, but it appears to be far from conclusive:

Radar Bands by Town (http://www.patzcatz.com/radarbands.html)

[Cos]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
It would be obstruct a Peace Officer, not obstruct justice. You are preventing me from carrying out my duties (ie jamming my Laser unit). I have had this happen twice. The LTI 20/20 Laser will produce a beam width of approx 30 cm and a distance of 1km. Ie its very accurate. If the unit reads a "jam", simply waive that vehicle in and arrest the driver. I have been a cop for 14years, 9 in traffic. I have over 4500 hours operational experience on Laser. Furthermore have hundreds of hours testyfying in court. So yeah, ill be cocky here, if you think you are gonna come past me with a Jammer and get away with it, you have another thing coming. You will be arrested, vehicle towed and Jammer seized. And for the disbelivers...... Ill see you on the streets.



Originally posted by luxor
I'm just going to go ahead and copy and paste this from the LTI user's manual:


Source:http://www.blinder.dk/pdf_downloads/ultralyte_100_manual.pdf

If I was to point a lidar gun at the sun it would get jammed. If it so happened that the sun was reflecting a strong ray of light from my headlight or windshield to the lidar gun, it would also jam the lidar gun. If somebody was beside me with a laser jammer turned on and their jammer detected the laser light from the lidar, it will jam it for me.

Like I said earlier, the "JAM" indicator can't definitively prove I jammed the gun. Sure cops can accuse you of obstruction but seeing as the cops themselves need to prove that you had your jammer on at the time he/she got the jam code, and it wasn't other factors that caused the jam(faulty lidar gun), and there was no other motorists around me that could have caused the jam (i.e. any Infinitis W/ laser cruise control), and it wasn't the sun or other strong source of light (your headlight). The LTI can shoot a beam of light at me very accurately no doubt about that, but the LTI also has a photoreceptor that receives light back from a convex lens and the LTI isn't dead accurate anymore in that sense. What to stop the gun from receiving rogue light from around my car?

A "JAM" doesn't mean you can't get a reading as stated here:

"At a low level of interference you will get a good speed reading even though the JAM tone sounds and the indicator blinks."

So even though the cop sees "JAM" he/she still got "a good speed reading."


I'm not lawyer and I could come up with that. You can bet your ass a good lawyer will laugh at this obstruction charge.


Lol traffic cop. Lets see you try and arrest one of us when the sun is strong out in the summer. You being the cocky ass because your gun read 'Jam' and trying to arrest me.

Btw I dont have a radar detector or jammer.

[frizzlefry]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
It would be obstruct a Peace Officer, not obstruct justice. You are preventing me from carrying out my duties (ie jamming my Laser unit). I have had this happen twice. The LTI 20/20 Laser will produce a beam width of approx 30 cm and a distance of 1km. Ie its very accurate. If the unit reads a "jam", simply waive that vehicle in and arrest the driver. I have been a cop for 14years, 9 in traffic. I have over 4500 hours operational experience on Laser. Furthermore have hundreds of hours testyfying in court. So yeah, ill be cocky here, if you think you are gonna come past me with a Jammer and get away with it, you have another thing coming. You will be arrested, vehicle towed and Jammer seized. And for the disbelivers...... Ill see you on the streets.

Just to help you understand the device you are an expert at, here are the specs for the LTI 20/20
Dimensions: 3.5 in x 5 in x 8 in
Weight: 4.5 lbs
Speed Measurement
Distance: 30 ft to 3500 ft
Speed Maximum: +200 mph to -200 mph (accurate zero reading)
Accuracy: +/- 1 mph
Acquisition Time: 0.3 seconds
Range Measurement
Distance: 30 ft to 3500 ft
Accuracy: +/- 6 inches
Acquisition Time: 0.3 seconds
Targeting
Pin-point beam (3 milliradian divergence, 3 ft wide at 1000 ft)
Adjustable illuminated red dot slight
AutoCapture triggering
Optional SpeedScope with in-scope data display

So its not 30cm beam width at 1km. At 1/3 that distance the beam is already 3 feet wide. Thats why my V1 picks up scatter all the time from guys getting targeted in front of me.

[interlude]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
It would be obstruct a Peace Officer, not obstruct justice. You are preventing me from carrying out my duties (ie jamming my Laser unit). I have had this happen twice. The LTI 20/20 Laser will produce a beam width of approx 30 cm and a distance of 1km. Ie its very accurate. If the unit reads a "jam", simply waive that vehicle in and arrest the driver. I have been a cop for 14years, 9 in traffic. I have over 4500 hours operational experience on Laser. Furthermore have hundreds of hours testyfying in court. So yeah, ill be cocky here, if you think you are gonna come past me with a Jammer and get away with it, you have another thing coming. You will be arrested, vehicle towed and Jammer seized. And for the disbelivers...... Ill see you on the streets.

Thanks for showing us that there are, and will always be assholes on the force.

Keep flashing that badge to compensate

[msommers]

Well this just got hilarious.

[dimi]

I still don't understand why I would want to have one of these "jammer" devices.

If you have an officer with an attitude (look at above posts), he will give you a ticket or arrest you anyway. Then you're out money. Taking a day off work or hiring a lawyer isn't cheap.

So it's all down to the officer that is radaring and whether he feels like pulling you over. In fact some cops might get pissed off and give you an even bigger ticket cause of the jammer, hence more headaches.

[frizzlefry]

Originally posted by dimi
I still don't understand why I would want to have one of these "jammer" devices.

If you have an officer with an attitude (look at above posts), he will give you a ticket or arrest you anyway. Then you're out money. Taking a day off work or hiring a lawyer isn't cheap.

So it's all down to the officer that is radaring and whether he feels like pulling you over. In fact some cops might get pissed off and give you an even bigger ticket cause of the jammer, hence more headaches.

The officer that posted previously is BSing. I have a jammer and have jammed about 10 traps. Not a single one resulted in me getting waved over. All but one did not even give me a second look when I passed them as I turn my jammer off once I have slowed down allowing them to get a reading. Being that, as mentioned in the LTI manual, jams will happen naturally due to the sun's reflection etc they never even thought twice about the jam signals they got.

[Idratherbsidewayz]

LOL @ Traffic Cop.

You should leave the thinking to the big boys... Don't hurt your brain with numbers that are beyond your tiny traffic cop comprehension.

Keep pointing your toy gun at cars, reading the number, and writing it on a piece of paper. It seems that's all you useless twats are good for.

[AllGoNoShow]

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dimi, there is no concern when they can't do anything. They will hassle you and make it a tough time for you but the device will still end up saving you big money as the judge will throw out his measly ticket and let you continue on your way. If your doing 20km+ and he doesn't eyeball you at the same time then you are saving money no matter how it works out as the judge will not carry through.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
It would be obstruct a Peace Officer, not obstruct justice. You are preventing me from carrying out my duties (ie jamming my Laser unit). I have had this happen twice. The LTI 20/20 Laser will produce a beam width of approx 30 cm and a distance of 1km. Ie its very accurate. If the unit reads a "jam", simply waive that vehicle in and arrest the driver. I have been a cop for 14years, 9 in traffic. I have over 4500 hours operational experience on Laser. Furthermore have hundreds of hours testyfying in court. So yeah, ill be cocky here, if you think you are gonna come past me with a Jammer and get away with it, you have another thing coming. You will be arrested, vehicle towed and Jammer seized. And for the disbelivers...... Ill see you on the streets.

You are so full of shit it's not even funny. I have multiple friends on the force, and from what they have all told me separately, this is absolutely not the case.

A JTG doesn't automatically mean a jammer was used, somehow you don't know that after "4500 hours of operational experience". You haven't even bothered to read the manual of the device you work with every day.

If that is actually how you conduct yourself while on the job, you are giving all cops a bad name.

Care to provide proof of that as per Wannago's post? I doubt you can.

[Traffic_Cop]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt


You are so full of shit it's not even funny. I have multiple friends on the force, and from what they have all told me separately, this is absolutely not the case.

A JTG doesn't automatically mean a jammer was used, somehow you don't know that after "4500 hours of operational experience". You haven't even bothered to read the manual of the device you work with every day.

If that is actually how you conduct yourself while on the job, you are giving all cops a bad name.

Care to provide proof of that as per Wannago's post? I doubt you can.

See you in court ;)

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop


See you in court ;)

I didn't think you could actually provide proof of the people you charged.

[interlude]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop


See you in court ;)

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[bituerbo]

9 years in traffic division? The only thing more jammed up than your LTI 20/20... is your career.

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[BrknFngrs]

Originally posted by bituerbo
9 years in traffic division? The only thing more jammed up than your LTI 20/20... is your career.

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:rofl:

On a side note, if you are given a ticket that is completely baseless, is there any recourse during your hearing to have the officer penalized for not understanding or missapplying the law?

[gretz]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
. The LTI 20/20 Laser will produce a beam width of approx 30 cm and a distance of 1km. Ie its very accurate. If the unit reads a "jam", simply waive that vehicle in and arrest the driver. I have been a cop for 14years, 9 in traffic. I have over 4500 hours operational experience on Laser. Furthermore have hundreds of hours testyfying in court. So yeah, ill be cocky here, if you think you are gonna come past me with a Jammer and get away with it, you have another thing coming. You will be arrested, vehicle towed and Jammer seized. And for the disbelivers...... Ill see you on the streets.

lol... really?

"Sir, you were using a jammer I think. Please turn around and let me cuff you, let's tow this clearly obstructing car and i'll have to confiscate the device as well... That'll keep the streets safer"

4500hours on a radar gun and 9 years in the traffic division and you still don't know f'k all about the device?

Good to know how educated the operators (of close to a decade for that matter) on the equipment they are "up-holding the law" with...

[Mitsu3000gt]

I just think it's amusing that simply printing out the manual for the lidar gun used would likely be enough to get any ticket thrown out.

Good to know CPS doesn't even require it's officers to read the manual of the devices they use daily to issue people tickets.

[Wannago]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop


See you in court ;)

Wow. I REALLY hope you aren't an actual cop...I wonder what Professional Standards would think of your conduct here?

Anyway, lest we forget that all cops can do is lay the charge, and as evidenced, that decision is left to the discretion (or lack thereof) of the officer. They have no say whether the charge ends up in court or not.

The next step lies with the Crown. I am willing to bet that IF a Crown prosecutor saw something like this cross his desk, it would be thrown out in a matter of minutes. Prosecutors absolutely hate trying to polish all the turds the cops (especially 9 year traffic cops) put before them. Remember that it is the prosecutor that would be arguing this in front of the judge, and the last thing he or she wants is to lose a case or even worse, be lambasted by the judge for pursuing a ridiculous charge.

No traffic_cop, you WON'T be seeing us in court.

[Wannago]

Originally posted by BrknFngrs


:rofl:

On a side note, if you are given a ticket that is completely baseless, is there any recourse during your hearing to have the officer penalized for not understanding or missapplying the law?

Yes, its called Professional Standards. Much like the "Internal Affairs" dept. referenced on all the TV shows. Abuse of power / authority comes to mind.

[Zewind]

I really cant believe how fast this degraded.

[AllGoNoShow]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop


See you in court ;)

http://jeffkatz.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a721c2d7970b0133f17599dd970b-pi

And you wonder why you get ZERO respect when you pull people over? Your attitude is the #1 reason. See you in court!

[evs]

I have been using an old bell laser jammer (904 i think) in Vancouver and it has saved me at least 10 times. I have planned to upgrade my equipment when I get my first ticket but it has yet to let me down. I hit the brakes and turn it off as soon as i get hit and have never been pulled over. I have searched CANLII for the obstruction case and there is NO record of it ever going to trial.
I haven't made these shirts in a while, but "traffic cop" makes me think it's time for another run.
"I'd rather have a sister in a whorehouse,
than a brother whose a traffic cop"

[Traffic_Cop]

Hate the police? Next time your in trouble phone a crack head!

[Wannago]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
Hate the police? Next time your in trouble phone a crack head!

your = you're (they don't teach spelling at the Academy?)

I don't think anyone is saying they hate (all) police, just police like you!

[Cos]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
Hate the police? Next time your in trouble phone a crack head!

Considering I have 3 family members in CPS I dont hate any of them. I hate the ones who decide that they can take the extent of their power to the n'th degree because of probable cause. You have the attitude to go along with it.

I have gone on ride alongs where we pulled over people who were driving around with their lights off, freaked out when we flashed them, and were let off with a warning. You are willing to arrest and impound people without even knowing the limitations of the device you are basing your assumption off of.

[calgary403]

Originally posted by bituerbo
9 years in traffic division? The only thing more jammed up than your LTI 20/20... is your career.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1817/yeaaaaah.gif

You just made me spit juice on my monitor.

Thank you sir

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Canmorite]

Originally posted by bituerbo
9 years in traffic division? The only thing more jammed up than your LTI 20/20... is your career.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1817/yeaaaaah.gif

:rofl: :rofl:

[msommers]

Andrew you clever son of a bitch

[Traffic_Cop]

Your an idiot!!. You do realise that the traffic section in any large/major police service is a well sought out and speciality position. The traffic officers investigate all fatal/serious injury collisions, they are investigated very similar to a homicide. Traffic officers are trained in forensics, collision reconstruction etc. We deal with all the aftermath, mayhem and hell, including knocking on a door at 3am, to tell Mrs Smith shes not going to see her son again because he wanted that last beer, and wearing a seatbelt wasnt cool.

Not to mention, us "useless traffic cops with no brains" undergo months of training in specialised reconstruction ie pedestrian, vehicle, hit and run and heavy truck.....and yes us stupid dumb traffic guys are present when we have to pry dead children out of vehicles, and not let emotions get the best of you because we have to carefully document every piece of evidence and photograph it, so we can get a successful prosecution and give a family some closure. But dont worry, we will do our best to get it cleared up before rush hour, wouldnt want a grieving family and dead bodies to make you late home for supper.

[Maxt]

" Your" a traffic cop.:banghead:

[Wannago]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
Your an idiot!!. You do realise that the traffic section in any large/major police service is a well sought out and speciality position. The traffic officers investigate all fatal/serious injury collisions, they are investigated very similar to a homicide. Traffic officers are trained in forensics, collision reconstruction etc. We deal with all the aftermath, mayhem and hell, including knocking on a door at 3am, to tell Mrs Smith shes not going to see her son again because he wanted that last beer, and wearing a seatbelt wasnt cool.

Not to mention, us "useless traffic cops with no brains" undergo months of training in specialised reconstruction ie pedestrian, vehicle, hit and run and heavy truck.....and yes us stupid dumb traffic guys are present when we have to pry dead children out of vehicles, and not let emotions get the best of you because we have to carefully document every piece of evidence and photograph it, so we can get a successful prosecution and give a family some closure. But dont worry, we will do our best to get it cleared up before rush hour, wouldnt want a grieving family and dead bodies to make you late home for supper.

Looks like we hit hit a nerve!

Oh...by the way: specialised = specialized

And...speciality = specialty

Muhahahaha

http://www.ozzy.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/605074-cartman_super.jpg

[interlude]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
Your an idiot!!. You do realise that the traffic section in any large/major police service is a well sought out and speciality position. The traffic officers investigate all fatal/serious injury collisions, they are investigated very similar to a homicide. Traffic officers are trained in forensics, collision reconstruction etc. We deal with all the aftermath, mayhem and hell, including knocking on a door at 3am, to tell Mrs Smith shes not going to see her son again because he wanted that last beer, and wearing a seatbelt wasnt cool.

Not to mention, us "useless traffic cops with no brains" undergo months of training in specialised reconstruction ie pedestrian, vehicle, hit and run and heavy truck.....and yes us stupid dumb traffic guys are present when we have to pry dead children out of vehicles, and not let emotions get the best of you because we have to carefully document every piece of evidence and photograph it, so we can get a successful prosecution and give a family some closure. But dont worry, we will do our best to get it cleared up before rush hour, wouldnt want a grieving family and dead bodies to make you late home for supper.


Just stop.. please...... The more you post.. the more we question your IQ level.

[Idratherbsidewayz]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
Your an idiot!!.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
Not to mention, us "useless traffic cops with no brains" undergo months of training in specialised reconstruction

MONTHS!?!?!? Oh my goodness, what commitment!!! It must be a very hard topic to grasp if it takes MONTHS to learn.

[oupzwrongthread]

Originally posted by interlude



Just stop.. please...... The more you post.. the more your IQ level becomes apparent.

Fixed

[Traffic_Cop]

Originally posted by Wannago


Looks like we hit hit a nerve!

Oh...by the way: specialised = specialized

And...speciality = specialty

Muhahahaha

http://www.ozzy.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/605074-cartman_super.jpg

Spelling for specialised is acceptable with both an "s" and "z" there hot shot.

[interlude]

Originally posted by oupzwrongthread


Fixed

FANKS!

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
Your an idiot!!. You do realise that the traffic section in any large/major police service is a well sought out and speciality position. The traffic officers investigate all fatal/serious injury collisions, they are investigated very similar to a homicide. Traffic officers are trained in forensics, collision reconstruction etc. We deal with all the aftermath, mayhem and hell, including knocking on a door at 3am, to tell Mrs Smith shes not going to see her son again because he wanted that last beer, and wearing a seatbelt wasnt cool.

Not to mention, us "useless traffic cops with no brains" undergo months of training in specialised reconstruction ie pedestrian, vehicle, hit and run and heavy truck.....and yes us stupid dumb traffic guys are present when we have to pry dead children out of vehicles, and not let emotions get the best of you because we have to carefully document every piece of evidence and photograph it, so we can get a successful prosecution and give a family some closure. But dont worry, we will do our best to get it cleared up before rush hour, wouldnt want a grieving family and dead bodies to make you late home for supper.


Why after all that training do you still not know how your LTI 20/20 works?

P.S. I have multiple friends working for CPS, I showed them your posts and they all think you are a giant tool who doesn't know how to do his job :thumbsup:

Instantly arresting any cars that jam your gun even though they may not have a jammer :rofl:. You wonder why you get no respect from this community. Every time you talk you either make yourself sound like a retard or you tell us we'll "see you in court".

[Traffic_Cop]

I bet your "friends" are very proud of the way you come on here and police bash. They must be so proud to have such a wonderful "friend" like you.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
I bet your "friends" are very proud of the way you come on here and police bash. They must be so proud to have such a wonderful "friend" like you.

I have an incredible amount of respect for members of CPS who know how to do their job. I think everyone in this thread does.

You just don't get it, do you?

When I hear of someone on CPS giving all my friends a bad name (not to mention all cops), it's unfortunate.

You openly admitted you arrest people based on a hunch at best, even when the manual of the LTI 20/20 clearly states a jam does not necessarily indicate a jammer is being used. How do you expect people to react to something like that? Even your peers think that is ridiculous.

All your replies so far have been unrelated statements about your "months" of training or telling us you'll "see us in court".

[Traffic_Cop]

Buddy. Unless you have used the LTI you have not got a clue what you are talking about. Have one of your so called friends show you the instrument being used operationally, then you will have a greater understanding of what I am saying. And no, you have zero respect for police, and furthermore you have no respect for the law or you wouldnt be on a forum openly being an advocate for LASER jammers.

[interlude]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
Buddy. Unless you have used the LTI you have not got a clue what you are talking about. Have one of your so called friends show you the instrument being used operationally, then you will have a greater understanding of what I am saying. And no, you have zero respect for police, and furthermore you have no respect for the law or you wouldnt be on a forum openly being an advocate for LASER jammers.

http://jeffersoniowanews.com/News/To_Stupid_Cop.jpg

[Traffic_Cop]

Originally posted by interlude


http://jeffersoniowanews.com/News/To_Stupid_Cop.jpg

Given the picture above, I presume you are the one behind the wheel?.

[evs]

but still let him play with the laser

[Cos]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop


Given the picture above, I presume you are the one behind the wheel?.


Ok I want an honest answer out of you. Do you really place someone under arrest as soon as your gun reads jam? What do you charge them with? What is your proof of a violation? How does your duty sergeant react? Have you ever had one stick? Have you ever mistakenly arrested someone for a jammer when in fact they didn’t have one? How did that go?

By the way, I should clarify. My family is not in traffic. One is CLO, one is a beat team officer, the other is a uniform in District. Didn’t want you to think I knew people in Traffic.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
Buddy. Unless you have used the LTI you have not got a clue what you are talking about. Have one of your so called friends show you the instrument being used operationally, then you will have a greater understanding of what I am saying. And no, you have zero respect for police, and furthermore you have no respect for the law or you wouldnt be on a forum openly being an advocate for LASER jammers.

I have used it a couple times believe it or not but that isn't the point. The friends I have with CPS use them every day and they think cops like you give them all a bad name.

You are also a giant hypocrite. You tell us we have no respect for CPS, yet you yourself admit the willingness to wrongfully arrest members of the public because you don't understand how your LTI 20/20 works :rofl:. I think you will find most people have a TREMENDOUS amount of respect for CPS members who know how to do their job, and much less respect for those who do not.

By the way, we're all still waiting for you to post proof of the two obstruction of a peace officer charges you apparently laid on people using jammers.

[frizzlefry]

I have no problem with police enforcing the law. But I have an issue with police milking artificially lowered speed limits. Lowered limits before construction starts or keeping them low after its finished are the big ones I see all the time. I saw a van nailing people merging onto Glenmore when construction was finished but the limit was still lowered. The traffic flow was 80, as that was the speed that matched the road conditions, and people had to slam on their brakes while merging in order to avoid a ticket. I almost saw an accident result from it. And a couple hours later the speed limit was rasied to 80. The speed camera caused a safety issue, but the van was there all the same....getting as much revenue as possible before the 80 signs were uncovered. I don't blame the police...its just the inevitable result of making enforcement of certain laws part of the police budget.

[Cos]

Police dont set speed limits AIT or the citys road department does. In the case of AIT (the one i work with) they have standard speeds and distances

[Traffic_Cop]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt


I have used it a couple times believe it or not but that isn't the point. The friends I have with CPS use them every day and they think cops like you give them all a bad name.

You are also a giant hypocrite. You tell us we have no respect for CPS, yet you yourself admit the willingness to wrongfully arrest members of the public because you don't understand how your LTI 20/20 works :rofl:. I think you will find most people have a TREMENDOUS amount of respect for CPS members who know how to do their job, and much less respect for those who do not.

By the way, we're all still waiting for you to post proof of the two obstruction of a peace officer charges you apparently laid on people using jammers.

A couple of times?, then I dof my hat to you sir. You are obviously an expert, and qualified operator. What was I thinking??

[Disoblige]

Hey Traffic Cop, you are a true class act. I wonder what other police officers have to say about your tone and how you represent yourself on here :thumbsup:

Good work. "See you in court."

:rolleyes:

Initially, I'm sure we all respected you. I'm also sure most of us respect the majority of cops.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop


A couple of times?, then I dof my hat to you sir. You are obviously an expert, and qualified operator. What was I thinking??

I honestly don't know if you even know how to read. It doesn't matter how many times I've used the device. The user manual and at least 5 other CPS officers who use them daily disagree with you.

Oh, and I expected you to once again dodge our request for proof of those charges. Do you ever plan on providing those? Or did they simply not occur?

[Idratherbsidewayz]

Hilarious how you're getting into a shit-flinging contest with people on the internet. Aren't you a professional? You should know better than to drag your name through the mud, and make yourself (and other traffic cops by association) appear completely moronic.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
........

I highly doubt you can find any comment(s) from me here over the years that promotes disrespect for the police (unless taken out of context by an idiont...) but, I have to say, you are acting and speaking like a complete moron.

I'm sure I too could forward this thread to a couple personal friends who work for our municipal force here (Saskatoon) and the RCMP respectively and I can GUARANTEE their opinion of you would be less than glowing based on the incredibly poor manner in which you represent the members of your department.

Take a look at yourself and get over your attitude.

.02

[bituerbo]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
I bet your "friends" are very proud of the way you come on here and police bash. They must be so proud to have such a wonderful "friend" like you.

We're not bashing you for being a cop, we're bashing you for being an idiot. You just happen to be an idiot cop.

[interlude]

For someone whos suppose to be a traffic cop, you sure are wasting alot of time posting on beyond.

On a side note, my dad used to go for dim sum (not sure if he does now) with the old Chief of Police, Jack Beaton (when he was still Chief of Police). Too bad I can't show him a thread like this, so he can see how you conduct yourself and represent the CPS online.

Alot of companies have polices in place on how employees should conduct themselves online. This is no different, you are obviously giving CPS a bad name, based on the comments in this thread (and possibly others)

Notice how your fellow CPS members on beyond is not coming to your defense. Soooooooo.. maybe you should seriously think about shutting the fuck up.... just saying..

[Traffic_Cop]

Who said i worked for cps?

[Mitsu3000gt]

So you are with the RCMP then? It doesn't change anything. You are giving law enforcement in general a bad name when you come on an internet forum, act like a child, and openly admit to be willing to arrest someone without cause.

His point was that there are several known cops on this forum who are knowledgeable, and valued contributors. I guarantee they have read this thread and none of them are supporting you, probably because you make them look bad.

Oh and we're still waiting for proof or links to those obstructing a peace officer charges that you probably made up, or were thrown out.

[Disoblige]

It's funny too, because he's the only one of the forum who is letting the online community publicly know he is part of law enforcement (Name, what he drives, signature), yet conducts himself in this manner.

Bravo.

[msommers]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
Your an idiot!!

:rofl: :rofl: Make it stop!

[FraserB]

Alberta Sheriff?

[Zewind]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
Who said i worked for cps?

Oh wow - he got all of us. HAHAH :rofl:


Who said he even works for a law enforcement agency?

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop
Who said i worked for cps?

You do realize that which agency your disgracing with you're conduct isnt really the point, its that your doing it at all.

Get off you're high horse and stop being such a blatantly ignorant and pompous asshat.

[Disoblige]

I like how when someone calls Traffic_Cop on something totally legit, he just blatantly ignores it and quotes something else that he can make a snarly comment on.

[calgary403]

Originally posted by Disoblige
I like how when someone calls Traffic_Cop on something totally legit, he just blatantly ignores it and quotes something else that he can make a snarly comment on.

:werd:

Just because we don't like stupid cops doesn't mean we don't like cops period.

[USED1]

Let's be real here, this goof is probably one of the "rent a cops" with sheriff on the side of their car. Their whole mandate is to write tickets, not police.