Subaru Mechanic

[Zewind]

My friend apperently needs headgaskets for his impreza (2000 model) dont know excalty. He's looking for a good mechanic, apperently this a hefty price tag on this work.


Anyone have any suggestions? Recommendation?

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

Vex in Red Deer? Those would be my first choice... and if he can wait, they're moving to Calgary in ~ 3 weeks.

[msommers]

Allmakes Auto Repair is advertised as a Subaru specialist. When I was calling about the cost of a headgasket replacement, he was the only place that willing to full explain the entire procedure and why it is so costly (~2000). Prices he was average but he sounded very honest and upfront. No personal experience there, so take from that what you will.

[~Touge/Wangan-]

dont DARE take it to all makes, they screwed my car up twice and stiffed me with a $3400 bill. that being said i had to take it else where and pay another $1400 to correct their initial list of problems.

absolute garbage shop.

[~Touge/Wangan-]

http://jdmsource.ca/products.php?jdm-subaru-ej25-dohc-outback-legacy-forester&cPath=10&osCsid=69qucn63f4lr72gen0n3gfumb4

grab this motor and take a weekend to throw it in, far cheaper.

[RickDaTuner]

Yeah i would recommend a motor swap, as they can be removed and installed in 5-6hrs... its just not worth it to replace the head gaskets

[crapstixs]

ohh, thats one of my all time favorite jobs. you dont have to pull the engine to do them. you just have to finness the head bolts back and forth when putting the heads back in. its very commen on older subies, GM bought them and changed there gasket suppliers. they had leaking problems from about 1999 to 2007 or so. you dont need to replace the engine. if your intrested pm me and all tell you were I work. Ive lost count on how many of these ive done. i think we are around $2500 to $3000. but thats with the head gasket set, head bolts, plugs,wires, timing kit, and a water pump.

[msommers]

Thankfully Touge chimmed in.

Chopstixs, do you guys get the heads sent out to be resurfaced?

[crapstixs]

Originally posted by msommers
Thankfully Touge chimmed in.

Chopstixs, do you guys get the heads sent out to be resurfaced? If it needs it, we do. most dont though.

[gretz]

Originally posted by crapstixs
ohh, thats one of my all time favorite jobs. you dont have to pull the engine to do them. you just have to finness the head bolts back and forth when putting the heads back in. its very commen on older subies, GM bought them and changed there gasket suppliers. they had leaking problems from about 1999 to 2007 or so. you dont need to replace the engine. if your intrested pm me and all tell you were I work. Ive lost count on how many of these ive done. i think we are around $2500 to $3000. but thats with the head gasket set, head bolts, plugs,wires, timing kit, and a water pump.

Pay you (your shop) $3000 to do to headgasket?? When you could buy the motor for $850 and have it swapped in for around $1000 (and have a spare parts motor)...

You sound like the typical mechanic lol...

"You could have a new motor for less, but we could charge you $3000 to fix your potentially damaged engine... Oh yeah, if the head(s) are fucked, they have to be machined... and if there is other damage, you may end up needing a new motor, but we won't know until we take a look into it"

[crapstixs]

Originally posted by gretz


Pay you (your shop) $3000 to do to headgasket?? When you could buy the motor for $850 and have it swapped in for around $1000 (and have a spare parts motor)...

You sound like the typical mechanic lol...

"You could have a new motor for less, but we could charge you $3000 to fix your potentially damaged engine... Oh yeah, if the head(s) are fucked, they have to be machined... and if there is other damage, you may end up needing a new motor, but we won't know until we take a look into it"

not everbody is 20 years old and wants a half torn apart engine sitting in there parents garage. ok, so you need your car because you have a family. it needs head gaskets. would it be better to find a engine, pick it up and drop it off at the shop. and pay $2000. or just pay $3000 and get the gaskets replaced and have your car back in a day or two with zero hassel.
its fairly commen knowledge if the head is warped more than .05mm it need to be decked. and most of time you will know if the engine is fucked befor you pull it apart.

[Zewind]

Thanks guys - got a few pm's I forwarded to my friend. Apperently he is just selling it as is.

here is is - http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2005-Subaru-Impreza-2-5-RS-Low-Milage-Head-Gasket-Air-Leakage-W0QQAdIdZ271274897

[crapstixs]

and btw, the posted engine is dohc, the stock engine is a sohc. the engine from jdm land looks like it has a cut wiring harness. now now you need a pcm, get the pcm coded. and find a wiring harness. so really what one is the better deal?

[gretz]

Originally posted by crapstixs


not everbody is 20 years old and wants a half torn apart engine sitting in there parents garage. ok, so you need your car because you have a family. it needs head gaskets. would it be better to find a engine, pick it up and drop it off at the shop. and pay $2000. or just pay $3000 and get the gaskets replaced and have your car back in a day or two with zero hassel.
its fairly commen knowledge if the head is warped more than .05mm it need to be decked. and most of time you will know if the engine is fucked befor you pull it apart.

lol... Half torn apart engine in the garage? WTF are you going on about? Why can't it be back on the road in a day or 2 pulling the motor?

How do you know the head is out more than 0.05mm without pulling them? What if it's out more than spec and the car ends up needing a new motor anyhow?



Originally posted by crapstixs
and btw, the posted engine is dohc, the stock engine is a sohc. the engine from jdm land looks like it has a cut wiring harness. now now you need a pcm, get the pcm coded. and find a wiring harness. so really what one is the better deal?

Obviously your $3000 hg job is the best deal out there ... lol

[crapstixs]

Originally posted by gretz


Pay you (your shop) $3000 to do to headgasket?? When you could buy the motor for $850 and have it swapped in for around $1000 (and have a spare parts motor)...


spare motor for parts? let me refraze. not everybody wants a spare engine in there garage.
all because the heads are warped dose not mean the engine is garbage. it means there will be a extra $200 on the bill for machining. im not exactually sure what type of world you live in. but most people i know would just replace the head gaskets. and if your going to try to say head gaskets shouldnt be replace, you have to replace the whole engine. you honist to God have not a clue what you are talking about.

[crapstixs]

Originally posted by gretz





Obviously your $3000 hg job is the best deal out there ... lol
i didnt say it was the best deal out there. im dont make the prices at my shop. all that im saying is you dont need to replace the engine, and replacing the headgaskest is going to be cheaper.

[gretz]

Originally posted by crapstixs

spare motor for parts?

--Don't take the spare motor then... or take what is compatible between the two motors...

let me refraze. not everybody wants a spare engine in there garage.
all because the heads are warped dose not mean the engine is garbage.

--All the time / machining / etc... required to find out if both heads are warped is likely a third the bill... What if the heads are f'kd beyond repair, then what?

it means there will be a extra $200 on the bill for machining. im not exactually sure what type of world you live in. but most people i know would just replace the head gaskets.

--You live in a world of people that drive this specific Subaru? In most vehicles, ya replace the gasket if its worth it...

and if your going to try to say head gaskets shouldnt be replace, you have to replace the whole engine. you honist to God have not a clue what you are talking about.

Yep, you got me... not a clue




Originally posted by crapstixs

i didnt say it was the best deal out there. im dont make the prices at my shop. all that im saying is you dont need to replace the engine, and replacing the headgaskest is going to be cheaper.

lol... yep, the $3000+ hg job at crapstixs shop (judging it goes perfectly) is cheaper than swapping in a motor for less money

:thumbsup:

[crapstixs]

holy shit, you actualy are retarted. your saying pulling out a engine, replacing it with a totaly different engine, finding a pcm and wiring harness, getting the pcm flashed. replacing the plugs, wires, t-belt, water pump because the engine is out and it will need it. is easyer and cheaper that just replacing head gaskets in the existing engine in the car. thank god your not a mechanic.

you sound like a real expert in this. have you done heads on a subaru befor? you pull off the head get a striaght edge and a feeler gauge and check to see how warped the head is. takes like 5 min. if its warped you send the head to the machine shop and they will deck it for $100 a head. and you even get the heads back in a day. you are retared and have no idea what your talking about.

[gretz]

Originally posted by crapstixs
holy shit, you actualy are retarted. your saying pulling out a engine, replacing it with a totaly different engine, finding a pcm and wiring harness, getting the pcm flashed. replacing the plugs, wires, t-belt, water pump because the engine is out and it will need it. is easyer and cheaper that just replacing head gaskets in the existing engine in the car. thank god your not a mechanic.

you sound like a real expert in this. have you done heads on a subaru befor? its not very commen to have heads that are warped past repair on a car that come in just for a leaking head gasket.

All insults lol... Why are you asking me anything? You have all the answers / seem to have me figured out...

What shop do you work for? You guys seem honest and well educated...

[crapstixs]

for parts and labour the head job is $2200. hey, you arent being very nice also. im not here representing my shop so it dosent matter were i work. now keep in mind most people on this forum are young, and like to fix there cars them selfs, so the attitude here is a little bit different. if you show up at a shop with this master plan it might not go as smoothly as you think. I have a bit of experiance with subarus, and i shared my two cents on what i think would be best. if the owner of the car wants to put a engine in it, thats rad. i just think its a waste.

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

That's expensive labour man..

I remember someone getting a quote of ~$1000 for an HG job on an 03 RS.

[crapstixs]

thats parts and labour. 11.9 hours is book time. at $120 an hour thats $1428.

[Rat Fink]

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[LilDrunkenSmurf]

Originally posted by crapstixs
thats parts and labour. 11.9 hours is book time. at $120 an hour thats $1428.

Guess Im glad I go to vex and not a dealer where the shop rate isnt my first born child

[crapstixs]

its not just a used engine, its a totaly different engine all together. if you got the same exact engine it wouldnt be that bad, but then again its a commen failer so the heads on the used engine might start leaking also.

[.norco.]

If you another car to drive in the meantime, best thing todo is learn how todo it yourself.. takes time, but its worth it in the end. Unless you are actually clueless as fuck when it comes to cars.. :dunno:

[crapstixs]

Originally posted by LilDrunkenSmurf


Guess Im glad I go to vex and not a dealer where the shop rate isnt my first born child
welcome to calgary, the avarage is $120 an hour.

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

Vex is moving to Calgary in 3 weeks, and will be charging less than that.. -shrug-

[crapstixs]

Originally posted by LilDrunkenSmurf
Vex is moving to Calgary in 3 weeks, and will be charging less than that.. -shrug- cool story bro!

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

I still find it funny you haven't posted what shop you work for.

[crapstixs]

what the fuck dose it matter where i work?
ive run into a few people on this fourm that think they walk into a shop and drop there pants and they will get there dick sucked. its not like that. alot of shops pick and choose what jobs they do, especialy when it comes to jobs like this. do you really think a shop is going to let a car sit on a hoist for about a week to get $1000 of labor. if you have a good tech with one hoist will put out over $1000 a day. most shops will turn you away for this engine swap because it is not in there best intrest. now every one is going to say it dosent take a week to do a engine swap, the customer drops the car off, it will always take him forever to source and drop off parts. and getting pcm's flashed and this and that, and generally doing a swap takes allot of time so dont feed me all this bullshit that it takes 6 hours. ive spent a lot of years in this trade, and I know how things work.

[gretz]

Originally posted by crapstixs
what the fuck dose it matter where i work?

-Because you come off as a "real pro", coupled with the insults and grade 7 punctuation... we need to know where this super shop is

ive run into a few people on this fourm that think they walk into a shop and drop there pants and they will get there dick sucked. its not like that. alot of shops pick and choose what jobs they do, especialy when it comes to jobs like this.

-Thats why you go to a shop that is more familiar with this swap, not "the shop you work for", as you have never done it...


do you really think a shop is going to let a car sit on a hoist for about a week to get $1000 of labor.

-You can do most of this swap (if not all) without the use of a hoist...

if you have a good tech with one hoist will put out over $1000 a day. most shops will turn you away for this engine swap because it is not in there best intrest.

-you mean not in "your" shops best interest


now every one is going to say it dosent take a week to do a engine swap, the customer drops the car off, it will always take him forever to source and drop off parts.

-Since when does a shop require the customer to bring in his own parts?

and getting pcm's flashed and this and that, and generally doing a swap takes allot of time so dont feed me all this bullshit that it takes 6 hours.

lol... how long does it take then?

ive spent a lot of years in this trade, and I know how things work.

Just because you've been at minute lube for "a lot" of years and would charge $3000 (with no other feasible option) for the hg job on this particular swap, doesn't mean a competent shop can do a better job than you for less...

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by gretz


Just because you've been at minute lube for "a lot" of years and would charge $3000 (with no other feasible option) for the hg job on this particular swap, doesn't mean a competent shop can do a better job than you for less...

Man i cant wait to open our shop and help some people out. Some of the labour rates in this city are rediculous. We'll charge just over half and make a great living.

[Rat Fink]

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[crapstixs]

Originally posted by gretz


Just because you've been at minute lube for "a lot" of years and would charge $3000 (with no other feasible option) for the hg job on this particular swap, doesn't mean a competent shop can do a better job than you for less...
dude, whats your fucking problem? I never ever said that my shop was the cheapest in town or the ownly option. if you have this personal mandate to hate mechanics thats awsome. but you go around and talk about how mechanic shops assfuck people. well the latter part of the population isnt going to buy $20 000 of tools, a $10 000 scanner, and a good few thousand dollers in shop equipment, and go to school for 4 years. just so they can properly work on there two personal cars. get over your self. there is reason why some jobs are expensive, they are hard to do and they take alot of hours. and the general dick head with a mastercraft tool set cant do it. there is a reason why labour is $120 a hour at some shops and $60 at others. go to the $60 an shop and get some un-licenced fucktard to do a engine in your subaru and see how that turns out for you. good techs make around $30 to $40 an hour. so I would love to see how you can run a good shop with good technology, good staff, good location. at $60 an hour.

edit:
after re-reading your post gretz. you really dont know too much about how shops work. I may be arrogant, but im not stupid and make a good living in this trade. I really dont think you can talk like a expert in this area seeing you havent gotten your head around some basic principals. you have a bad tast in your mouth because your one of these people that walk into a shop and make every ones life hard so shops brush you off and are rude to you.
im done arguing with you.

[gretz]

Originally posted by crapstixs

dude, whats your fucking problem?

Stop being a little whiner...

I never ever said that my shop was the cheapest in town or the ownly option.

No, but an engine swap couldn't possibly be an option...

if you have this personal mandate to hate mechanics thats awsome. but you go around and talk about how mechanic shops assfuck people.

What are you whining about... Hate on mechanics? I'm sorry you are so sensitive, but I never said anywhere that "shops rip people off, fix it yourself etc.." I said there are other shops (other that yours) that can do better for less... lots of hate for mechanics there...

well the latter part of the population isnt going to buy $20 000 of tools, a $10 000 scanner, and a good few thousand dollers in shop equipment, and go to school for 4 years. just so they can properly work on there two personal cars.

I'm starting to think you have a comprehension issue... When did I say anything about buying tools / working on the car themselves?

get over your self. there is reason why some jobs are expensive, they are hard to do and they take alot of hours. and the general dick head with a mastercraft tool set cant do it.

Still complaining?

there is a reason why labour is $120 a hour at some shops and $60 at others. go to the $60 an shop and get some un-licenced fucktard to do a engine in your subaru and see how that turns out for you. good techs make around $30 to $40 an hour. so I would love to see how you can run a good shop with good technology, good staff, good location. at $60 an hour.

Soo.... It can't be done better for cheaper again? I thought you said... nevermind lol

edit:
after re-reading your post gretz. you really dont know too much about how shops work. I may be arrogant, but im not stupid and make a good living in this trade. I really dont think you can talk like a expert in this area seeing you havent gotten your head around some basic principals. you have a bad tast in your mouth because your one of these people that walk into a shop and make every ones life hard so shops brush you off and are rude to you.
im done arguing with you.

lol... Arguing? I thought we were discussing different solutions for OPs Subaru...

Anywho, you are like arguing with a child, which paints a pretty picture of you lol...

Sorry for upsetting you, you seem to take things to heart...

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

Originally posted by crapstixs
what the fuck dose it matter where i work?
ive run into a few people on this fourm that think they walk into a shop and drop there pants and they will get there dick sucked. its not like that. alot of shops pick and choose what jobs they do, especialy when it comes to jobs like this. do you really think a shop is going to let a car sit on a hoist for about a week to get $1000 of labor. if you have a good tech with one hoist will put out over $1000 a day. most shops will turn you away for this engine swap because it is not in there best intrest. now every one is going to say it dosent take a week to do a engine swap, the customer drops the car off, it will always take him forever to source and drop off parts. and getting pcm's flashed and this and that, and generally doing a swap takes allot of time so dont feed me all this bullshit that it takes 6 hours. ive spent a lot of years in this trade, and I know how things work.

I've researched and bled into nothing but Subaru's for the last few years. I've seen people swap STi motors into RS', WRX's, etc.. and I still don't know what the hell a "pcm" in a Subaru is.

In fact one of my friends is currently swapping an 05 STi motor into an 02 Foresters, and I still don't know what a "pcm" in a Subaru is. Are you referring to the ECU?

When I googled "Subaru PCM" all I got was Subaru powertrain control module for automatics. Why are you flashing a PCM? How do you even know it's an automatic?

[Cos]

Originally posted by LilDrunkenSmurf


I've researched and bled into nothing but Subaru's for the last few years. I've seen people swap STi motors into RS', WRX's, etc.. and I still don't know what the hell a "pcm" in a Subaru is.

In fact one of my friends is currently swapping an 05 STi motor into an 02 Foresters, and I still don't know what a "pcm" in a Subaru is. Are you referring to the ECU?

When I googled "Subaru PCM" all I got was Subaru powertrain control module for automatics. Why are you flashing a PCM? How do you even know it's an automatic?

PCM = Powertrain Control Module.... I.E. ECU or computer. It controls the powertrain. Subaru may not use the nomenclature of PCM but it is a bit of an industry standard like ECU/PCM/CEL etc.

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

Well then, why would it take 6 hours to flash? I can flash mine in 20 mins, unless your tuning it..?

And my scanner cost... $300 for my subaru. ODBII cable that connects to a PC. I can scan engine codes, pull the flash, modify it, and reflash the ecu with it.

[Rat Fink]

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[Cos]

Originally posted by LilDrunkenSmurf
Well then, why would it take 6 hours to flash? I can flash mine in 20 mins, unless your tuning it..?

And my scanner cost... $300 for my subaru. ODBII cable that connects to a PC. I can scan engine codes, pull the flash, modify it, and reflash the ecu with it.

A flash is quick. I would be willing to bet the inputs and ECU itself are different. I would think the ECU itself would have to be swapped or at least the inputs wired up differently.

Also crapstix was saying that an entire SWAP would not take 6 hours.

[sr20s14zenki]

Are subarus that hard. We can nail off an sr20det swap including wiring in less than 10 hours....

:bigpimp:

[Cos]

Originally posted by sr20s14zenki
Are subarus that hard. We can nail off an sr20det swap including wiring in less than 10 hours....

:bigpimp:

boxer would be harder but i bet experienced guys could do it in around 10. book value is always an average

[crapstixs]

If you buy a new pcm (ecu) it comes blank with no rom in it. if you buy a used one you will have to get the vin programmed into it. each modual on the network has to have a name and a vin in it that is how the modual is recognized. this is for OBDII. for the scanner thing, to run a shop you need allot more than a code reader. scan tools like the tech 2, the drb, modis, are like $10 000 and you just plain and simple cannot get into anything past simple diagnostics with out one. on top of that it will be very, very benifical to get a scop thats like another 5-10 000 and thats just scratching the surface when getting in to shop tools.

[crapstixs]

hey gretz, theres a thread in the tech section called the mechanic and the customer. it applies so much to you its not even funny.

[gretz]

Originally posted by crapstixs
hey gretz, theres a thread in the tech section called the mechanic and the customer. it applies so much to you its not even funny.

Are you still thinking about me?

Wow... why do you keep saying I have something against shops? Because I called you out on a suggested $3000 hg job being a f'kn ripoff, which you then kept dropping the price and making it seem "less expensive" and "better" than any other option?

Keep those tech manuals close, as well as your vast knowledge of head gaskets, OBD2 scanners, and custom motor swaps... coupled with your awesome discussion and comprehension skills, you seem like you'll go a long way...

[crapstixs]

Originally posted by gretz


Are you still thinking about me?

Wow... why do you keep saying I have something against shops? Because I called you out on a suggested $3000 hg job being a f'kn ripoff, which you then kept dropping the price and making it seem "less expensive" and "better" than any other option?

Keep those tech manuals close, as well as your vast knowledge of head gaskets, OBD2 scanners, and custom motor swaps... coupled with your awesome discussion and comprehension skills, you seem like you'll go a long way...
after tax and shop supplies the heads will be $2500-$3000 I never changed the price.
"typical mechanic" "shops always over charge" "the labour rate is way too high" its a business not a charity organization. every single type of company and business is like this.
by no means am I the smartest or the best. but this is not my hobbie. I make my living from this. I went to school for four years and every year i spend many hours in training corses to keep up to date. you have a very strong opinion about somthing you know little about.
the op asked for some advise, so I gave mine. seeing I have done this job many times. I dont think a used engine is the best road to take. but what ever, to each there own.

[gretz]

Originally posted by crapstixs
for parts and labour the head job is $2200.


Originally posted by crapstixs
after tax and shop supplies the heads will be $2500-$3000 I never changed the price.

really? lol

You keep implying that I dislike mechanics... I said nothing about labor rates but I did mention the "typical mechanic" ie > the mechanic ("business not a charity organization") that is out to make money > as you put it...

Non typical (ie not you) may have better and more cost efficient ways to help out customers...

Just because you have a hard time fathoming it, doesn't make me "retarded" or "have a bad taste in my mouth" or "walk around talking about shops assfucking people lol" or "stupid"...

Sounds like all that schooling is going to your head and when you are challenged, you shoot to insults instead of reading and maybe learning to think outside the box...

Sorry if you are misunderstood, I just thought I'd help clear things up...

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

Not that it's a likely question, but maybe next time send him over to a Subie forum like WSC?

[crapstixs]

Originally posted by gretz




really? lol

You keep implying that I dislike mechanics... I said nothing about labor rates but I did mention the "typical mechanic" ie > the mechanic ("business not a charity organization") that is out to make money > as you put it...

Non typical (ie not you) may have better and more cost efficient ways to help out customers...

Just because you have a hard time fathoming it, doesn't make me "retarded" or "have a bad taste in my mouth" or "walk around talking about shops assfucking people lol" or "stupid"...

Sounds like all that schooling is going to your head and when you are challenged, you shoot to insults instead of reading and maybe learning to think outside the box...

Sorry if you are misunderstood, I just thought I'd help clear things up...
ok, ok my bad. i called you names. im sorry, i wont do it again.

we are debating like ten things at once here.
for the engine, i never said replacing the head gaskets are the ONLY way to go. I just think doing the gaskest is better and cheaper than replacing the engine. ive been down that road befor. concidering most subarus will leak oil from the gaskets and not have over heating problems, the heads rarely need to be decked.

yes you never said you dont like mechanics, you dont have to, im not forcing you to. its your right to not like some one. but thats just how you come off.

I have a hard time fathoming other repairs apparently. I told you why doing the gaskest will be cheaper. and how some shops wont want to get involved in engine swaps. and yes my shop is not the only shop on the plant. I also said my shop wasnt the cheapest in town. but ide say iff you call around you will get allot of the same prices.

and apparently to you a new engine is somthing you get from jdm source. a new engine to me comes in a plastic or wood box.

you say, swaping in a entirly different engine will go more smoothly that replacing head gaskets.

all that you have done is sit here and twist my words around to make me look like a hack.

so yes, I still hold to my opinion that your retarted.

and i would love to know what you do for a living?

[gretz]

Originally posted by crapstixs

ok, ok my bad. i called you names. im sorry, i wont do it again.

we are debating like ten things at once here.
for the engine, i never said replacing the head gaskets are the ONLY way to go. I just think doing the gaskest is better and cheaper than replacing the engine. ive been down that road befor. concidering most subarus will leak oil from the gaskets and not have over heating problems, the heads rarely need to be decked.

>>not disputing that at all, I thought swapping in a replacement motor (ie new motor, as in, not your "old" motor) would be another route... you can make some extra hp and it's not out of this world to perform...

yes you never said you dont like mechanics, you dont have to, im not forcing you to. its your right to not like some one. but thats just how you come off.

>>??

I have a hard time fathoming other repairs apparently. I told you why doing the gaskest will be cheaper. and how some shops wont want to get involved in engine swaps.

>>Some shops will get involved... I don't see why you keep bringing this up...

and yes my shop is not the only shop on the plant. I also said my shop wasnt the cheapest in town. but ide say iff you call around you will get allot of the same prices.

>>It may be the only one on the plant... On this planet however, yes, I'm aware that your shop isn't the cheapest (or the only one)



and apparently to you a new engine is somthing you get from jdm source. a new engine to me comes in a plastic or wood box.

>>Thanks... A replacement motor that you get from JDM source is obviously not brand new lol... it's "new" to the purchaser....

you say, swaping in a entirly different engine will go more smoothly that replacing head gaskets.

>>Never said that once...

all that you have done is sit here and twist my words around to make me look like a hack.

>>I never said anything to make you look like a hack... you seem to know a lot about cars, but you can't take an alternative opinion positively - hence the your insults...

so yes, I still hold to my opinion that your retarted.

>>Really? Why? On a side note, tarts are good


and i would love to know what you do for a living?

You would love to know? You had me all figured out...

[crapstixs]

wait, i thought you had me all figgered out?
but yes i would love to know.

[sr20s14zenki]

Is this pissing match done yet?
:bigpimp:

In the end, you have an engine that isnt like all other engines...kinda like a rotary...only a bit more common and a bit less...explosive. Take it to somebody that specializes in that engine and you will do well, and most likely skip out on a 2000$+ bill. The specialists know them inside and out, and that tends to cut the time to complete the job down. Its like when people bring me an sr20, i can diagnose it in about 10 minutes...show me a honda engine and im not clueless...but it would take me awhile longer to figure it out, and its because i dont specialize in the engine.

Find somebody who does subaru boxers.

[gretz]

Originally posted by sr20s14zenki
Is this pissing match done yet?
:bigpimp:



Ah, was fun while it lasted lol

[crapstixs]

it was, i do agree.

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

Originally posted by sr20s14zenki
Is this pissing match done yet?
:bigpimp:

In the end, you have an engine that isnt like all other engines...kinda like a rotary...only a bit more common and a bit less...explosive. Take it to somebody that specializes in that engine and you will do well, and most likely skip out on a 2000$+ bill. The specialists know them inside and out, and that tends to cut the time to complete the job down. Its like when people bring me an sr20, i can diagnose it in about 10 minutes...show me a honda engine and im not clueless...but it would take me awhile longer to figure it out, and its because i dont specialize in the engine.

Find somebody who does subaru boxers.

It's not really a specialty engine. It's still a 4 cylinder combustion engine, just the layout is a little different. Its like a V4 that was flatened out.

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by LilDrunkenSmurf


It's not really a specialty engine. It's still a 4 cylinder combustion engine, just the layout is a little different. Its like a V4 that was flatened out. I know. I meant it's away from the norm. Usually it's straight 6 or straight 4 or v6 etc....... Different layout
Which some people just understand better. :thumbsup: