WEIRDEST experience at a car dealership ever....

[Canucks3322]

I was just whining. :banghead:

[shakalaka]

As far as I know the trade-in's at dealer ships have ALWAYS been pretty shitty. For example, a buddy went in to trade is 02 E46 M3 and they offered him $12K as a trade in value for it. While on kijiji you see them going over 20K easily.

[Canucks3322]

In the past five years, I've traded in an Explorer for a brand new Mazda 3, got the BBV (high end)...Mazda 3 for a used Murano, got the BBV (high end), Murano for an IS250, BBV (low end cuz it needed repairs), and the Lexus for the 350Z (got BBV, low end cuz of high mileage)....:dunno:

Just weird cuz they basically told me they don't want my car?!?

[[Yu]]

Like you said, its a US car. Just having that title, a lot of people automatically devalue the price on the car.

[Canucks3322]

^ Interesting....well I plan to move to the US in the next few years, I'll just wait till then lol...

[Zewind]

its the MPH - no one likes to do the conversion :thumbsdow

[Canucks3322]

^ HAHA...no it has both on the speedometer!...the temp is always in Farenheit though, that pisses me off!

[AE92_TreunoSC]

Why should a chrysler dealership pay you full buck for your 7 year old nissan?

Sell it privately. I know one that just sold for 21, from the us low mileage same year.

[M.alex]

Sounds about right - it's an 04 350z .... 350z are absolutely worthless. You'll never get 21k for it, let alone from a dealer.

[Canucks3322]

Yea but I don't really want 21, I was prepared to trade it in for 18 300, the BBV...

[jsn]

I'm not really surprised. Dealers are there to make a profit so they usually try to lowball you and offer below black book value for trade-ins. When we brought in trade-ins in the past, they always offered slightly less than black book value. They offered you quite abit less, but they're known as stealerships for a reason.

[Canucks3322]

^ oh well, I love my Z and I really just wanted a Jeep cuz I wanted something more practical for the summer, roadtrips, transporting my gf's dog, etc...but I really wouldn't have been happy, its fate.

PS...the salesman was a Canucks fan too, maybe his boss wasn't?:dunno:

[J-hop]

well for reference, at a dealership I will not name, a friend bought a used car. A year later he went to that same dealership and wanted to trade it in towards a truck on their lot. They offered him half of what he paid for the car a year earlier...

moral of the story, dealerships have to make money, if they traded it in for 21k do you think they could sell the thing for 25+ and make a profit?? highly doubt that, no matter how good a shape its in.

12k seems perfectly fair to me, they could probably resell the car for 18 and make 6k on the car assuming they don't have to put any money into it.

[Gabe182]

I tried to sell my 3 month old Camaro SS to a chevy dealer in Calgary. Bought it for 52K and they offered me 29K. With 5000 KM

[Canucks3322]

I get what you guys are all saying...but I'm telling you, even the last car I got that I traded in to get the Z, the 2007 IS250, I bought from an Acura dealership for 22800, they (the Nissan dealership) gave me 21000 for it to trade in for the Z (BBV was 22500 for the high end, mine had 114 clicks so it was fair)....they've been trying to sell it for 24,500 last time I checked on their Nissan lot....that's why I'm so shocked.

[rob the knob]

WEIRDEST

FAROUT MAN



Originally posted by Canucks3322
I just got back from a Jeep dealer cuz I wanted to trade in my 2004 Nissan 350Z Roadster for a brand new Jeep Wrangler....the black book value for my car is $18,300 so I told them I wanted around 21 for it and they appraised and came back and told me $12,000?!?! The salesman even agreed with me that the car was clean and mint condition...the only explanation he gave was that the used car manager didn't like that it's a US car?!?!...has anyone experienced this before? The manager basically told me he didn't want my car and they'd rather lose my sale on a brand new Jeep?!??!?! WHAT THE FUCK? I was so shocked I didn't know what to say, I've probably traded in at least 5 different cars now in my lifetime and every time, no matter buying used or new, they've given me at or close to black book value....can anyone explain this? are Jeep's really sellling that great that they don't even take trade-ins cuz they dont wanna bother with it??? :dunno:

[kaput]

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[Xtrema]

It's a US car. You are lucky to get $18.3 private. Let alone dealer trade in.

$12 is a bit low ball tho.

[Redlyne_mr2]

$18K is still high for a US 350z as Extrema noted. A US car will generally go for rough black book. A dealer can pretty much show you any number you want to see for your car. At the end of the day it's the difference between your trade and your new car that comes out of your pocket so maybe negotiate a little harder on the new car :)

The dealer is basically is assuming all of the risk and buying your car with little to no hassles. On a sports car the risks are even higher because generally it's the sports cars that need work done to them in order to be able to resell them. I'm not saying your car needs work but it's all based on risk. Also keep in mind that asking price and selling price are 2 very different things. Just because people are asking $22K for the car online doesn't mean they're selling it for 22k.

Good luck man.

[Tik-Tok]

Similar experience with my allroad. BBV was around 18g, there were a couple on Audi lots, same year, higher mileage, listed for $25g+, and when I expressed interest in trading mine in for a A4, they offered me $10g :nut:

[jdmXSI]

From experiance dealerships go about 20% below rough book for American cars. Which does seem about right considering if you have brembos (which are expensive to replace) may need to be done, perhaps a cracked windshield has to be replaced. So maybe $2000 in reconditioning, so they would own it for $14k and list it for $17995. Someone may put an offer in for $16k and may take $16500? IMO that is a fair trade value, you may not like it but it is fair. I would push for another $1000 if I were you though just to make sure nothing is left on the table.

[Canucks3322]

^ good to know about U.S. cars...

Another case, my gf traded in her 2006 Pontiac Pursuit for a 2011 Accent and the Hyundai dealership gave her $8,000!!! The black book value was only $6,500??? Explain that...:dunno: See I always thought both from experience and logic that especially a new car dealership makes most of it's profit from the new car sale and would give black book value no matter what in order to get you into that new car?

I honestly think sales are good right now and they just can't be bothered with my taking in my car....I'll probably try again in December...

[JVR1]

i think if you brought your z to the dealership in december they'd offer you even less since the interest in the vehicle would be even lower considering the season. i don't even think black book values hold much weight these days since people/dealerships bring cars up fro the US - its more like what price can they get your vehicle at in an auction.

sell it privately.

[Canucks3322]

True...that would explain why the lower price for a US vehicle...I think I'll just keep it, I'm not really wanting to sell it that bad, just would be nice to have a more practical vehicle...

[C4S]

Sell if yourself then, will get more.

Not all US cars are bad, but it is the fact that you will get less. (not talking some specialty car)

Sound about right if you go to US blue book:

2004 Nissan 350Z Touring Roadster 2D:

Condition Value

Excellent $12,850
Good $12,100
Fair $10,850

$12K is already top blue book value. (US)


From Canadian Black Book:

2004 Nissan 350Z Base 2D Roadster

Low ?: $12,927

High ?: $15,517


Usually, the TOP book value from US, is about the same the ROUGH book value in Canada.

Of course, depends on mile and condition too, hard to say on a 7 yr old car without warranty.

(Dont know where you $18300 book value from)

[M.alex]

Originally posted by Canucks3322
^ good to know about U.S. cars...

Another case, my gf traded in her 2006 Pontiac Pursuit for a 2011 Accent and the Hyundai dealership gave her $8,000!!! The black book value was only $6,500??? Explain that...:dunno: See I always thought both from experience and logic that especially a new car dealership makes most of it's profit from the new car sale and would give black book value no matter what in order to get you into that new car?

I honestly think sales are good right now and they just can't be bothered with my taking in my car....I'll probably try again in December...

You can't just go on book value - also have to consider how easy the car will be to move at given price points. With 350z you almost can't give them away.

[chkolny541]

agreed with C4S, dont know how you got 18k for a 2004 350Z, 12k seems about right, its certainly a bit of a low ball, but it shouldnt be surprising, dealerships are in it to make $$money$$

[Disoblige]

I would agree with selling it privately.

Post a detailed ad for the summer. Maybe you'll get lucky :)

[Sugarphreak]

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[Anton]

Originally posted by Canucks3322
^ good to know about U.S. cars...

Another case, my gf traded in her 2006 Pontiac Pursuit for a 2011 Accent and the Hyundai dealership gave her $8,000!!! The black book value was only $6,500??? Explain that...:dunno: See I always thought both from experience and logic that especially a new car dealership makes most of it's profit from the new car sale and would give black book value no matter what in order to get you into that new car?

I honestly think sales are good right now and they just can't be bothered with my taking in my car....I'll probably try again in December...

You also have to consider how much she got the 2011 Accent for. Was it discounted or at full price? At the end of the day, all that matters is the difference between the new car and your car.

Say they give you 18k for your Z and sell you the Jeep at 30k, difference is 12k.

Alternatively, they give you 12k for your Z and sell you the Jeep for 24k, difference is still 12k.

I know it's pretty obvious but just saying that people often get caught up on trade value. This is why when people tell you how to buy a car, they tell you to negotiate the price on the car you're buying first and not even mention the trade. Once you're happy with the price, bring out the trade.

[kvg]

It's a business and they want to make money when they sell the car. A US car is always cheaper because they can buy a US car from auction for way less than a Canadian car.
Kijiji California
2004 350z
Silver ext./black leather, 65K miles, must sell! - $12,500

http://orangecounty.ebayclassifieds.com/other/rancho-santa-margarita/silver-ext-black-leather-65k-miles-must-sell/?ad=11277541&msg=OUT_OF_AREA

[benyl]

I think it is weird that the OP thinks his US car is worth the same as a Canadian car.

[dimi]

$21K for a 2004 350Z :rofl:

Maybe try to be a bit more realistic on your offer and they won't joke around with you.

[kvg]

look up the American book value not Canadian.:thumbsup:

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by benyl
I think it is weird that the OP thinks his US car is worth the same as a Canadian car.

I don't see why it shouldn't be worth the same; the only difference being the speedo shouldn't dictate a significant value drop imo.

With that said, I think US cars sell for less primarily because the potential buyer knows that the owner likely got a good deal, and wants the savings passed onto them...

[Aleks]

Originally posted by Canucks3322
^ good to know about U.S. cars...

Another case, my gf traded in her 2006 Pontiac Pursuit for a 2011 Accent and the Hyundai dealership gave her $8,000!!! The black book value was only $6,500??? Explain that...:dunno: See I always thought both from experience and logic that especially a new car dealership makes most of it's profit from the new car sale and would give black book value no matter what in order to get you into that new car?

I honestly think sales are good right now and they just can't be bothered with my taking in my car....I'll probably try again in December...

Margins on most new cars under 30 grand are couple grand at most. And you're right the Wranglers have always been Jeeps hottest model with limited incentives.

[benyl]

Originally posted by Kloubek

With that said, I think US cars sell for less primarily because the potential buyer knows that the owner likely got a good deal, and wants the savings passed onto them...

ding ding ding ding ding ding

[euro_racer]

i think they are offering you about the right price, if not too generous!... i see 350z's on kijiji all the time and most of them are for sale for a while because it is not desirable for some reason and a really tough car to sell. ive seen a few being offered for 11,000 12,000 13,000 k all the time privately

[kvg]

plus add at least $1000-2000 to run it through the shop/detail/sales commision

[manny18]

Originally posted by kvg
It's a business and they want to make money when they sell the car. A US car is always cheaper because they can buy a US car from auction for way less than a Canadian car.
Kijiji California
2004 350z
Silver ext./black leather, 65K miles, must sell! - $12,500

http://orangecounty.ebayclassifieds.com/other/rancho-santa-margarita/silver-ext-black-leather-65k-miles-must-sell/?ad=11277541&msg=OUT_OF_AREA


exactly, the dealer needs to make money to pay for everything including the lot. having a car in the lot costs money. Realistically you can probably sell the car for 15k maybe 16k privately if you're lucky. why would the dealer pay black book value? THEY NEED TO MAKE MONEY. instead of wasting time complaining.. sell your car locally and then show up there with the cash

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Canucks3322
Another case, my gf traded in her 2006 Pontiac Pursuit for a 2011 Accent and the Hyundai dealership gave her $8,000!!! The black book value was only $6,500??? Explain that...:dunno: See I always thought both from experience and logic that especially a new car dealership makes most of it's profit from the new car sale and would give black book value no matter what in order to get you into that new car?

I honestly think sales are good right now and they just can't be bothered with my taking in my car....I'll probably try again in December...

Not surprising if your GF pay list for the car or has some discount she doesn't know about.

Depends on what kind of car, new cars actually has less margin than used because MSRP is set by manufacturer and not the market.

[winson2001]

sounds like most people agree on US car should be valued lower then Canadian car, may I ask why? other then a few had mentioned mph, temp? is there something else physically wrong with US cars?

[kvg]

US cars have lower option packages available, mainly a price thing honestly. I wouldn't buy a US car in Canada for more than I could import it myself for.

[Canucks3322]

Ok ok, I get it now...US cars are valued way less than BBV...I got the 18300 number from the Black Book at work, it's dated May 1, 2011.

Anyways, like one guy said, I should look at the low end value to value my US car and in that case, I guess 12,000 isn't that ridiculous....

I love my Z and am going to keep it, but now I kind of feel ripped off cuz I bought it for 18,000 a couple months ago haha...it DID come with brand new Dunlop SP Wintersports mounted on though, and those are 300 each according to 1010tires....

[M.alex]

Originally posted by Canucks3322
Ok ok, I get it now...US cars are valued way less than BBV...I got the 18300 number from the Black Book at work, it's dated May 1, 2011.

Anyways, like one guy said, I should look at the low end value to value my US car and in that case, I guess 12,000 isn't that ridiculous....

I love my Z and am going to keep it, but now I kind of feel ripped off cuz I bought it for 18,000 a couple months ago haha...it DID come with brand new Dunlop SP Wintersports mounted on though, and those are 300 each according to 1010tires....

You bought it for 18k and expected to get 21k which is well above what 350zs go for ...... am I the only one :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: at OP's stupidity? :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

[Canucks3322]

^ I look on kijiji everyday when I'm bored at work and see tons of 03 and 04 roadsters going for around that...another poster even said his friend sold his for 21....I really wanted just what I looked up to be the BBV of 18,300 so of course I'm gonna open with 21...:rolleyes:

But yes, stupid on my part for not knowing that US cars are worth less....lesson learned.

[C4S]

My Cousin sold her 04 350Z Track (not convertible) with 40,000 km last yr or 09 for $18K or so ...

So I guess if your car has low km .. then you can get more ..

Still dont know where you can $18K book value ... :dunno: I guess you must put the wrong year, or you looked up the "retail" value from whatever site other then the wholesale Canadian Black Book site.

If you think it is a good car, and not worth to sell for $12K .. then keep it.

Unless it has low km, such as ~ 50-80K km (30-50K mile) otherwise .. $20K for a grey import 7 yr old 350 (or 8, as 2012 model is on the way) is a lots of money.

From your user name, I guess you are from Vancouver? may be 35Z0 worths more in Vancouver? :dunno:

[M.alex]

Originally posted by Canucks3322
^ I look on kijiji everyday when I'm bored at work and see tons of 03 and 04 roadsters going for around that...another poster even said his friend sold his for 21....I really wanted just what I looked up to be the BBV of 18,300 so of course I'm gonna open with 21...:rolleyes:

But yes, stupid on my part for not knowing that US cars are worth less....lesson learned.

And I can't people on kijiji listing 03/04 cobras for 36k. Doesn't mean they'll get it.

I wanted 21k for my 03 g35 coupe w/ 50k kms+mods but ended up at 16k.

[bastardchild]

Dealers will buy @ wholesale pricing not BBV. Wholesale on a 03-04 350Z is like $10,000. :nut:

[Canucks3322]

Hey M.Alex...so did you end up selling it to a buyer off kijiji?

[95teetee]

Originally posted by AE92_TreunoSC
Why should a chrysler dealership pay you full buck for your 7 year old nissan?

he wasn't asking for full buck. He wanted $3000 more than that.

Maybe you can find a dealership that has a problem with making too much profit and needs to lose some money:dunno:

[Canucks3322]

^ 95teetee, I DID NOT really want and expect 21, that's just what I initially told them I wanted because why would I tell them I want 18 when 18 is what I really wanted (as I posted already)? they're just gonna turn around and offer me something lower because that's what salesmen do...

[Rat Fink]

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[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by Canucks3322
^ 95teetee, I DID NOT really want and expect 21, that's just what I initially told them I wanted because why would I tell them I want 18 when 18 is what I really wanted (as I posted already)? they're just gonna turn around and offer me something lower because that's what salesmen do...

Why do you find it necessary to play games? I've been in the business for 14 years and just a tip when buying a car. Secrets and games do nothing but sabotage a deal. Be up front with what you're after and it saves yourself, time, money and aggrevation.

[jaysas_63]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2


Why do you find it necessary to play games? I've been in the business for 14 years and just a tip when buying a car. Secrets and games do nothing but sabotage a deal. Be up front with what you're after and it saves yourself, time, money and aggrevation.

i play games with salesman...it works:rofl:

[googe]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2


Why do you find it necessary to play games? I've been in the business for 14 years and just a tip when buying a car. Secrets and games do nothing but sabotage a deal. Be up front with what you're after and it saves yourself, time, money and aggrevation.

:rofl: are you kidding?

and you are a car salesman?

:facepalm:

[J-hop]

Originally posted by googe


:rofl: are you kidding?

and you are a car salesman?

:facepalm:

mr2 has a point, OP walks in knowing (or thinking) his car is worth in the 18k range and knows that it is ludicrous for a dealership to give you what its worth on a trade in (because they need to make money on the car and you can't magically increase the worth of the car, assuming that it is in perfect working order), so he knows to expect less than what the car is worth so he goes in loaded with the premise that he will ask more than what the car is worth so that he can get what he thinks the car is worth out of them after haggling which doesn't even make sense in the first place because the dealership needs to make money on the car (see first point)

i'd shake my head if I were a salesperson too....

[Canucks3322]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2


Why do you find it necessary to play games? I've been in the business for 14 years and just a tip when buying a car. Secrets and games do nothing but sabotage a deal. Be up front with what you're after and it saves yourself, time, money and aggrevation.

A car salesman trying to teach me about ethics....you're one step above lawyers and real estate agents, buddy. :rolleyes:

To end this thread I started...I admit I was mistaken because I did not realize the BBV I was looking was for a Canadian car so the 12,000 that they offered was not that ridiculous afterall...there's not much else to say, now I know why Brasso sold me it for 18,000 with brand new winter tires on them, I thought at that the time I was getting such a great deal and now I know it was just an okay price.

[wrcftw]

I had a 2006 sti that I sold privately for 30grand....it was a US car. The subaru dealership in edmonton offered me 13grand.

:facepalm:


They sold us models all the time for 30+ grand a few years ago

[googe]

Originally posted by J-hop


mr2 has a point, OP walks in knowing (or thinking) his car is worth in the 18k range and knows that it is ludicrous for a dealership to give you what its worth on a trade in (because they need to make money on the car and you can't magically increase the worth of the car, assuming that it is in perfect working order), so he knows to expect less than what the car is worth so he goes in loaded with the premise that he will ask more than what the car is worth so that he can get what he thinks the car is worth out of them after haggling which doesn't even make sense in the first place because the dealership needs to make money on the car (see first point)

i'd shake my head if I were a salesperson too....

you've obviously never bought a car from a dealership.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by Canucks3322


A car salesman trying to teach me about ethics....you're one step above lawyers and real estate agents, buddy. :rolleyes:

To end this thread I started...I admit I was mistaken because I did not realize the BBV I was looking was for a Canadian car so the 12,000 that they offered was not that ridiculous afterall...there's not much else to say, now I know why Brasso sold me it for 18,000 with brand new winter tires on them, I thought at that the time I was getting such a great deal and now I know it was just an okay price.

Do you find it satisfying to insult me? I'm trying to honestly help you work the system and make the process easier on yourself so that you don't need to come out on a car forum and rant about how you feel that you got ripped off. I get clients like you that come in trying to play games and more often than not I walk them because I'm not into playing games. I can tell anyone reading this that full disclosure will always get you a better deal. You walk into a dealership, tell them you want the car, the price you're willing to pay and I can confidently tell you for sure that a professional and willing sales person will bend over backwards to accomodate you. It's the people who play the games who end up getting ripped off.

QUOTE]Originally posted by googe


you've obviously never bought a car from a dealership. [/QUOTE]

No idea what dealers you've dealt with but that's a shame.

[Canucks3322]

Redlyne_mr2....I appreciate your advice but please don't bullshit us, you know damn well that the MAJORITY of salesmen are gonna try to squeeze every last penny out of you...you might be different and for that I commend you for being that one out of a million sales people, but please, stop bullshitting us...."bend over backwards to accomodate", for fucks sake, you really are a salesman eh...

[Jeremiah]

Shut the fuck up you whiney little bastard

[shakalaka]

lol

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by Canucks3322
Redlyne_mr2....I appreciate your advice but please don't bullshit us, you know damn well that the MAJORITY of salesmen are gonna try to squeeze every last penny out of you...you might be different and for that I commend you for being that one out of a million sales people, but please, stop bullshitting us...."bend over backwards to accomodate", for fucks sake, you really are a salesman eh...

That's why I put the word professional in front of that phrase. There are slimeballs in every industry,you are the one who's ultimately in control. I don't choose to deal with a slimeball doctor or mortgage broker, why would you choose to work with a slimeball cars sales person. If something isn't right then get up and walk awak. We all have choices, blaming someone elses actions when you chose to deal with them isn't fair. You're more than welcome to shadow me for a day so give me a call if you'd like to set something up :)

[bastardchild]

Originally posted by Canucks3322


To end this thread I started...I admit I was mistaken because I did not realize the BBV I was looking was for a Canadian car so the 12,000 that they offered was not that ridiculous afterall...there's not much else to say, now I know why Brasso sold me it for 18,000 with brand new winter tires on them, I thought at that the time I was getting such a great deal and now I know it was just an okay price.

Even if your car was a Canadian car, they would have offered you the same amount of money. The whole "its a US car" was just a bougs excuse to make you feel better. Don't feel bad though, if I brought my M3 to a dealer as a trade in, they would probably offer me the same if not less. :rofl:

[kvg]

This shit is why people talk so much shit about cars sales people. Joe Blow goes in to a dealer, treats the sales person like shit, lies, and/or then tries to pull a fast one. Then gets all pissed off when they don't get what they want, or they get called on their bull shit. I'm with Redline on this for sure. I have never had a problem getting a deal by just being straight forward on what I want in order for me to buy a car.

[Canucks3322]

Originally posted by Jeremiah
Shut the fuck up you whiney little bastard

:D ...ya I know, you're right, it is what it is.

[freshprince1]

I'll trade you my '05 Envoy. just sayin.

[Sugarphreak]

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[AcuraNSX]

The best advice is to sell your car privately and bring cash to the dealer.

CASH TALKS BULLSHIT WALKS

[Shlade]

go riot in the dealership

[viff3r]

Originally posted by Shlade
go riot in the dealership
:rofl: :rofl: