Here we go again.... C63 vs M3

[Sorath]

After watching Fast Five, I realised that I really really really want a V8. And the fact that im a car whore. People who had to make this decision in past, which is the way to go?

looking at either an e92 m3 or C63.
I know M cars CPO are 5.9% :eek:
C class CPO are currently 1.9% :drool:

I've never owned an auto, will i get bored with the c63?

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Sorath


I've never owned an auto, will i get bored with the c63?

I can't comment on the car itself, but unless you drive in rush hour downtown traffic, you WILL get bored with an automatic. If you do drive lots of stop and go, you probably won't mind it.

[benyl]

Haha, isn't it obvious?

by the way C63 tunes just dropped to $500.

An extra 50whp for $500! I don't think you can get that elsewhere.

[A790]

Originally posted by Sorath
After watching Fast Five, I realised that I really really really want a V8. And the fact that im a car whore. People who had to make this decision in past, which is the way to go?

looking at either an e92 m3 or C63.
I know M cars CPO are 5.9% :eek:
C class CPO are currently 1.9% :drool:

I've never owned an auto, will i get bored with the c63?
If you're going to drop 80k on a car, why not get a Porsche or something? It's not like you don't have a DD... ;)

[Sorath]

i really like the c63 too, but its so hard to find one, not much selection. ahhhh decisions

[blackpeople]

Which one of your cars are you planning on replacing?

[Sorath]

e92. guy coming to look at it today

[blackpeople]

i say option 3 shelby gt500 :) ......but out of your 2 choices i would say try out the 2door M3

[Phenix]

I read in the latest road and track that there is a new C63 AMG coming in 2012. there will be a two door coupe version as well. and for getting bored with the automatic. just step on the gas and that will make everything better!

[Sorath]

having an auto isnt really a problem, i know when i drove the evo, i loved it. gonna drive both back to back tomorrow, since im off tomorrow :D

[Sugarphreak]

..

[Idratherbsidewayz]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
If you want to buy a sports car that is fun to drive... get one with a manual. Being that the C63 does not come with one, it is little more than a glorified couch good for doing 10km/hr in rush hour traffic.

A loud V8 drifty couch...

Every magazine I've read points to the M3 being absolutely brilliant. I still think that I would pick the Merc for the muscle fun factor and lack of BMW douchebaggery.

[max_boost]

C63!

I was at LoneStar test driving the GLK with my dad and thought just for fun I go look at the C63. Such a nice car haha :burnout:

I don't know but BMW's don't really do it for me anymore. I use to love them but I love Ben-See now. LOL

[redline]

Depands on what you want...

M3 is the better track car, some people complain about a lack of TQ out of the 4.0L but i believe that it is just fine. M-DCT is the only tranny to get in this car. EDC is worth every penny. great DD IMO. 2 or 4 door options

C63 is a TQ monster, great if you need to pull tree stumps. exhaust note cannot be beat:drool:. The car is hard on tires and limited tire sizes is :banghead: Understeer is a problem. C63 wins the drag race. limited to 4 doors in the used market.

Styling is personal choice i find the C63 ugly but that is me. Both are terrible on gas be prepared to pay at the pump.

[Orbie]

You coming from an E92 I think the jump to an M3 would probably make sense since the overall feel/quality would be the same. I like the M3 Coupes but when it comes to the sedan I think the C63 just looks a lot classier. I also don't see as many of them, M3's are just everywhere in the city. The other thing that would irk me are the guys running around in relatively lightly modded 335's that could just mop a stock M3. Good luck doing that to a C63 with a C350. It makes the performance version a lot more special when the extra money you paid actually means something more than just a badge (similar story with the WRX and STi) IMHO.

[Phenix]

I would wait for the 2012. there will be a coupe and 30hp extra.

[heavyD]

Mustang GT is almost on par with M3 performance-wise for a fraction of the price and if you want better than M3 performance Boss 302 will give you that for less than $50k.:)

If you can get over the mental hurdle that it's a Ford and a Mustang you will be pleasantly surprised as the V8 engine alone is on par with the M3 with better torque and you save a boatload of money to spend on other things.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustang_gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comparison/index.html

As far as the original choices I prefer M3 over C63 but really it's a personal preference decision after spending ample time in each.

[Kg810]

So since both cars fully loaded in Canada is roughly $80k each, I'd say get a E90/E92 M3 from the states and with the money saved, get a supercharger kit for it.

IE - http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=516571

$47.5K USD = $46K CAD

+

$8,500 - $16,000 USD for ESS supercharger kits

=

Approx $54,200 - $61,000 CAD



You can find 2009+ for low 50's to mid 50's.

[Sorath]

Theres a couple in western canada for 50-60, not interested in going down to the states to pick one up

[max_boost]

Buy the C63 and if it's not what you want, sell it and buy the M3. Done. :werd:

[Kg810]

Originally posted by Sorath
Theres a couple in western canada for 50-60, not interested in going down to the states to pick one up

I still say go for the E9X M3 and turn it into a supercharged beast. :drool:

[Aleks]

http://forums.beyond.ca/st/333375/fs-2009-mercedes-benz-c63-amg/

Think of it as STI=C63, M3=EVO X

Which do you prefer? :D

[rage2]

Originally posted by Sorath
will i get bored with the c63?

Originally posted by Sorath
i really like the c63 too, but its so hard to find one, not much selection. ahhhh decisions
The reason why there are so few C63's for sale is because owners are reluctant to sell them. You never get bored of the car. In fact, I'm already preparing to replace my C63 with.... a C63. I've helped friends look for used ones, and the selection is so thin.

If you are going new, wait for the 2012 model. The new interior, reworked suspension, and the M-DCT transmission is well worth it for the small jump in price.


Originally posted by Tik-Tok
I can't comment on the car itself, but unless you drive in rush hour downtown traffic, you WILL get bored with an automatic.

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
If you want to buy a sports car that is fun to drive... get one with a manual. Being that the C63 does not come with one, it is little more than a glorified couch good for doing 10km/hr in rush hour traffic.
These 2 have definately never driven the car. :D


Originally posted by redline
M3 is the better track car, some people complain about a lack of TQ out of the 4.0L but i believe that it is just fine. M-DCT is the only tranny to get in this car. EDC is worth every penny. great DD IMO. 2 or 4 door options

C63 is a TQ monster, great if you need to pull tree stumps. exhaust note cannot be beat:drool:. The car is hard on tires and limited tire sizes is :banghead: Understeer is a problem. C63 wins the drag race. limited to 4 doors in the used market.

Styling is personal choice i find the C63 ugly but that is me. Both are terrible on gas be prepared to pay at the pump.
Exactly what I'm going to say.

If you're looking for a street car, get the C63. If you want to track your car at least 2-3x a year, get the M3.

[max_boost]

raj2, M-DCT=Dual clutch transmission from Mercedes?

If so, :drool: :burnout:

Launch control too?

:hitit:

[Phenix]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/impressions/2012-mercedes-benz-c63-amg


shoehorn a large engine into a small car and you’re guaranteed to end up with something either wickedly right or downright ludicrous. Or sometimes it’s both, as is the case with the 2012 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG.
One of our favorite compact Uber-sedans of the modern age returns with a fresh, yet still thoroughly irascible demeanor based off the updated 2012 C-Class. More significantly, though, is that it’ll be offered in both “practical” 4-door form or what will certainly be the highly desirable coupe. My personal prayers to get the Europe-only Estate (wagon) version remain unanswered at this point.

2012 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Sedan
As if 457 bhp wasn’t shredding the C63’s 255-mm tires quick enough, AMG thought it would be appropriate to offer a Development Package upgrade for the naturally aspirated 6.2-liter V-8. Utilizing technology borrowed from the SLS AMG, the factory drops in special forged pistons and connecting rods along with a lightweight crankshaft. This drops the total internal engine mass by a whopping 6.6 pounds, freeing an additional 30 ponies to prance their way up to an electronically governed top speed of 174 mph. Additional AMG Development Pack goodies include a titanium gray-colored variable intake manifold, red brake calipers to complement the 2-piece front brake rotors, a trunk-mounted carbon-fiber lip spoiler and a flat-bottomed 3-spoke steering wheel lifted from the CLS63 AMG finished in nappa leather and Alcantara. Fortunately, you won’t have to spring for this package to be ensconced in the sublimely bolstered Recaro buckets.

2012 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Sedan Interior
Dipping into another parts bin, this one belonging to the SL63, engineers fitted this baby AMG car with the laudable 7-speed multiclutch automatic transmission (AMG Speedshift MCT). A rotary dial on the center console provides four different transmission drive modes (C, S, S+, M) along with a Race Start mode (RS) that allows you to leave the line at full throttle without leaving lines of tread in your wake.
Rounding out the AMG treatment on the C is a fully revised suspension. Stiffer bushings and a reinforced multilink rear setup fortify the chassis’ ability to handle higher dynamic loads resulting from the stickier tires, wider tracks, larger anti-roll bars, increased negative camber and uprated springs and dampers. Three levels of stability control/intervention are also selectable (ESP on, ESP Sport, ESP off) depending on your level of comfort or self-restraint in wielding such a weapon.
You won’t have to wait long, for the first C63s are expected to hit showrooms in September of this year. Pricing has yet to be announced but expect to see a tag in the neighborhood of $60K.

2012 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Coupe
Mercedes-Benz CLS-class »
» Overview
» Photos & 360° View
» Specs
» Prices w/Options

[max_boost]

Anyone ran their C63 here at the track yet?

I think the fastest 0-60 time was 3.9 in the States.

With all these goodies, the time should be even quicker.

Great buy for $70k.

:D:burnout:

[Kg810]

This may help if you are only considering the coupe variants.

Recent Autocar Magazine comparison of the E92 M3 vs C63 Coupe

Page 1
http://i.imgur.com/BHhdJ.jpg

Page 2
http://i.imgur.com/iAvOa.jpg

Page 3
http://i.imgur.com/qpClA.jpg

Page4
http://i.imgur.com/FVIYd.jpg

Page 5
http://i.imgur.com/qQtLG.jpg

[KandabashiDevil]

For the sake of variety, I'd buy the C63! You said you already have an E92? Might as well mix it up.


Originally posted by heavyD
Mustang GT is almost on par with M3 performance-wise for a fraction of the price and if you want better than M3 performance Boss 302 will give you that for less than $50k.:)

Ban-worthy suggestion. :rolleyes:

[Kg810]

^
I believe he said he is selling the E92 335 in favor of M3 or C63

[leftwing]

Originally posted by KandabashiDevil
For the sake of variety, I'd buy the C63! You said you already have an E92? Might as well mix it up.



Ban-worthy suggestion. :rolleyes:

What about the 2012 gt500 Super Snake? 800HP and around 80G I believe. Based on the suggestions though I feel like the OP wants a luxury vehicle though.

[Commanderwiggin]

Originally posted by Kg810
So since both cars fully loaded in Canada is roughly $80k each, I'd say get a E90/E92 M3 from the states and with the money saved, get a supercharger kit for it.

IE - http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=516571

$47.5K USD = $46K CAD

+

$8,500 - $16,000 USD for ESS supercharger kits

=

Approx $54,200 - $61,000 CAD



You can find 2009+ for low 50's to mid 50's.

^ this is what I'd do...the DCT mated with an ess sc system is faaast.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by KandabashiDevil

Ban-worthy suggestion. :rolleyes:

The OP said he wanted V8 so I tossed it in seeing how performance is on par for considerably less money. However I do realize that many here are very brand conscious and actually surprised it took so long for a post such as yours.:)

[benyl]

Originally posted by heavyD


The OP said he wanted V8 so I tossed it in seeing how performance is on par for considerably less money. However I do realize that many here are very brand conscious and actually surprised it took so long for a post such as yours.:)

Haters will Hate.

I would get a new Boss Stang over an M3.

[Tuner1]

Originally posted by Kg810


I still say go for the E9X M3 and turn it into a supercharged beast. :drool:

That is exactly what I did :D

Now I have the best of both worlds.


Rob

http://crleech.smugmug.com/Other/Misc-car-pics/P103084101/1205899999_yLhcP-X2.jpg

[93mr2gt]

i thought u wanna go test drive both tomorrow and see which one you like better...

[redline]

Originally posted by max_boost
raj2, M-DCT=Dual clutch transmission from Mercedes?



not a true DCT but close enough, not sure on LC. But WTF is it with you and LC :rofl:

Not really needed in this class of cars unless you want eat tires.

[redline]

My friend is talking about selling his C63, it is white, 2009, i think, and loaded. Very nice low KM car, i will check with him

[E46..sTyLez]

Originally posted by heavyD


The OP said he wanted V8 so I tossed it in seeing how performance is on par for considerably less money. However I do realize that many here are very brand conscious and actually surprised it took so long for a post such as yours.:)

That's like saying "why get an S4 when you could just get an STi or an EVO". He is obviously looking for high end german craftsmanship, and I just don't think a Mustang would suffice in the quality/luxury department. Performance wise sure, but nothing else.
If I had the extra cash for an S4, I would get an S4...not my STi with mods or something of that nature. I don't think it is being brand conscious either, more of quality conscious.

[Onassis]

M3 = Jailbait
C63 = Milfs & Cougars

M3 FTW.

[Phenix]

Originally posted by E46..sTyLez


That's like saying "why get an S4 when you could just get an STi or an EVO". He is obviously looking for high end german craftsmanship, and I just don't think a Mustang would suffice in the quality/luxury department. Performance wise sure, but nothing else.
If I had the extra cash for an S4, I would get an S4...not my STi with mods or something of that nature. I don't think it is being brand conscious either, more of quality conscious.

Performance-wise there is always someone better and faster.

quality wise. both cars are quality for what they are.

It's just a different car with some sweet features. To each their own!

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Onassis
M3 = Jailbait
C63 = Milfs & Cougars

M3 FTW.


:rofl:

[Redlyne_mr2]

335is is soo underated and is worth checking out

[redline]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
335is is soo underated and is worth checking out

I love that car but M3 and C63 are in a different league.

What about ISF?

[rage2]

I must be on vacation mode. M-DCT == BMW. The 2012 C63 comes with AMG Speedshift MCT. It's an automatic transmission with a clutch replacing the tq converter, so it feels a lot like a DSG/M-DCT transmission.

It comes with adaptive LC (the more runs you do the faster it gets) called F1 Race Start.

[bastardchild]

Originally posted by heavyD


The OP said he wanted V8 so I tossed it in seeing how performance is on par for considerably less money. However I do realize that many here are very brand conscious and actually surprised it took so long for a post such as yours.:)

In the end its still a mustang, which cannot be compared to either the M3 or C63. Not all people are looking for "best bang for buck".

[Sugarphreak]

...

[Phenix]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNuSCi0WYOM&feature=player_embedded

[heavyD]

Originally posted by bastardchild
In the end its still a mustang, which cannot be compared to either the M3 or C63. Not all people are looking for "best bang for buck".

Sure it can be compared. GTR gets compared to 911's all the time. I get that the Mustang doesn't carry the status of the M3 or C63 but it does everything those cars can do and in the case of the Boss more but yes I get that the German cars carry a higher level of refinement but you are paying an awful lot more for a badge and better leather but if you can afford it why not? In the end though it's a different means to the same end as they all perform similarly.

[M.alex]

One of these is the M3 driver; the other is the C63 driver. I think you can figure out which is which.

http://i54.tinypic.com/vh6yw8.jpg

[Aleks]

How about something a bit different. 100 more hp than either of those?

http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2010-Cadillac-CTS-leather-Sedan-W0QQAdIdZ284256029#

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Aleks
How about something a bit different. 100 more hp than either of those?

http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2010-Cadillac-CTS-leather-Sedan-W0QQAdIdZ284256029#

Very nice car but that steering wheel has a lot of scratches on it. Woman's car?

[Wannago]

CTS-V Coupe....apples to apples.

[Shlade]

Originally posted by Onassis
M3 = Jailbait
C63 = Milfs & Cougars

M3 FTW.

I like milfs and cougars...

[Ymerej472008]

Like said before...the exhaust note on the C63 :drool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7AedCGrnjk

[Cos]

So how was your impression driving them?

[Darkane]

@HeavyD,

I wish the Boss was 50k :(

I was in the market for one, and got close but the dealers now are firm on 10k ABOVE MSRP.

Puts them at 60k, then add in freight/GST.

Mind you the Recaro seats in the Boss are to DIE for.

As well as the 416whp dyno, launch control - red key.

[rage2]

Originally posted by Ymerej472008
Like said before...the exhaust note on the C63 :drool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7AedCGrnjk
That widebody on the C63 looks pretty cool, even tho it's unfinished.

The nice thing about the C63 is that it's detuned from the factory. MB rolls the throttle back to 50% past 4500rpm to limit it to 451hp. The ECU upgrade undoes that, which is why $500 gets you 60hp on a NA motor. Throw in headers and exhaust, and you've got yourself a 560hp beast.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Darkane
@HeavyD,

I wish the Boss was 50k :(

I was in the market for one, and got close but the dealers now are firm on 10k ABOVE MSRP.

Puts them at 60k, then add in freight/GST.

Mind you the Recaro seats in the Boss are to DIE for.

As well as the 416whp dyno, launch control - red key.

$60k is too much for a Mustang. Once you get near $60k to me there's no point going Japanese or domestic. I've heard the same sort of thing in the US and it's a shame dealers are taking advantage of the low production run to gouge customers. I do wish the Recaro seats were an option in regular Mustangs as the stock seats are not supportive enough for a car of this capability.

[Sorath]

so i drove the m3 today, and i can definately say that i am not impressed. Not sure why but my 335 felt faster than the m3. It definately felt stiffer than my 335 however i dont know if there was a big difference in handling.

Looks like C63 is the way to go, havent driven it yet though, stood in the showroom of lonestar for half an hour and wasnt helped so i left. The seats in the c63 sure are comfy though.

[Phenix]

Originally posted by Sorath

Looks like C63 is the way to go, havent driven it yet though, stood in the showroom of Clownstar for half an hour and wasnt helped so i left. The seats in the c63 sure are comfy though.

there you go. fixed

[redline]

Originally posted by Sorath
so i drove the m3 today, and i can definately say that i am not impressed. Not sure why but my 335 felt faster than the m3. It definately felt stiffer than my 335 however i dont know if there was a big difference in handling.

Looks like C63 is the way to go, havent driven it yet though, stood in the showroom of lonestar for half an hour and wasnt helped so i left. The seats in the c63 sure are comfy though.

the M3 is best higher in the RPM band, it really comes alive, on the stiffness, i use comfort mode on the EDC 90% of the time so mine is better then a 335. There is huge difference in handling hard to compare the two.

But there is really no wrong choice out of the two.

I still say that you should look at a ISF also. The 2012 is really improved

[benyl]

The M3 always felt weak to me (E9X). It is simply a powerband problem. Unless you are at the track, torque at 1800 rpm "feels" faster. The M3 is an awesome car for the track.

I always felt my chipped 335 felt as fast off the line as my C63.

If I was in the market for a new car right now, I would be looking at getting the 335is or a 1M. The 2012 C63 P31 is also pretty compelling.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by benyl
The M3 always felt weak to me (E9X). It is simply a powerband problem. Unless you are at the track, torque at 1800 rpm "feels" faster. The M3 is an awesome car for the track.

I always felt my chipped 335 felt as fast off the line as my C63.

If I was in the market for a new car right now, I would be looking at getting the 335is or a 1M. The 2012 C63 P31 is also pretty compelling.

If you want a 1M better get one now as I believe it's just a one year production run and that's it.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Yep 1m is only happening this year then that's it. That actually might be it for the 1 series all together other than x1 of course.

I agree with Sorath, the M3 is an awesome car for the track, it looks great, it handles great, its an M, but in every day street driving for traffic light racing the 335is with the dual clutch is amazing, it also sounds fantastic. Im not sure what they did to the exhaust but it sounds nuts between shifts as it crackles.

[Tuner1]

It is probably a bit unfair of me to post a brief comment and then run away but I am pressed for time at the moment...

Anyway, as the former owner of an E90 335i and an E90 M3 (both bought new from Calgary BMW and then modified to my liking) I have to say that the M3 is a far superior sports sedan - full stop.

The 335 is a great value proposition and is a fantastic street car for 'sporty' driving but the M3 has far greater depth of talent and character.

Leave the inline-six BMWs out of this discussion as the M3 and the C63 are the true rivals to consider. The C63 is an amazing car and I can understand why many Calgarians prefer it over the M3 (think lots of straight roads), although I have yet to see a magazine comparison test that does... :drama:


Rob

[dirtsniffer]

What's the manual like in the Mercedes? Or the dual clutch?

[Kg810]

Originally posted by heavyD


If you want a 1M better get one now as I believe it's just a one year production run and that's it.

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
Yep 1m is only happening this year then that's it. That actually might be it for the 1 series all together other than x1 of course.


Just want to make a few corrections and I apologize if it's off-topic, but I do want to say that the 1M is getting fantastic reviews and it would be a worthy choice.


This information is from "SCOTT26" who works for BMW and provides teasers/information on BMW projects and future direction.

With that being said, the 1-series is definitely here to stay and the next generation (F20) is already in the process of wrapping up testing and making the official reveal in a couple weeks. This only applies to the hatch release, NA only gets the coupe and cabrio so we have to wait a year.

Here is an render based off a real image of the car:
http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=503371&stc=1&d=1301531646

Nurburgring Testing with M-Sport (which is similar to the way the current 1M front end looks):

http://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=525217&d=1305565207

As of yesterday, SCOTT26 made a post (http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9690682#post9690682)(click) about the expansion of the 1er (IE - 1-series GT, F.A.S.T, etc) and briefly made a few insider statements on "BMW M-One - Compact Programme." This program is to support individualism and personalization of next entry level Ms (Z2 and 1M) that will be based on the F20 platform.

Here are some snip-its of some of his posts in regards to the 1er M:

"Let's just say that we are not finished with the 1M as yet.
And we have some options on the negotiating table.

Of course there will be a second generation"

"So we have to think about the longetivity of the car in terms of the customer and to increase the car's appeal for future enthusiasts which some younger M entry enthusiasts are more adapt in "personalisation?" . The current car might have an extremely short lifespan but that car will still be around in the future."

SCOTT26 never fails at providing valuable and accurate insider information, so this current E82 1er M is of course ending soon since the next generation 1er (F2X) is being officially released in a week or so. I'd say the F2X 1er M won't be seen until 2014 at the earliest, but with their plan to personalize M cars, they will be offering aftermarket parts so maybe you could potentially make the current 1er M into a 1M "CSL" :drool:.

[Khalil.e]

Originally posted by Tuner1
It is probably a bit unfair of me to post a brief comment and then run away but I am pressed for time at the moment...

Anyway, as the former owner of an E90 335i and an E90 M3 (both bought new from Calgary BMW and then modified to my liking) I have to say that the M3 is a far superior sports sedan - full stop.

The 335 is a great value proposition and is a fantastic street car for 'sporty' driving but the M3 has far greater depth of talent and character.

Leave the inline-six BMWs out of this discussion as the M3 and the C63 are the true rivals to consider. The C63 is an amazing car and I can understand why many Calgarians prefer it over the M3 (think lots of straight roads), although I have yet to see a magazine comparison test that does... :drama:


Rob

Does the supercharger do much to increase torque down low?

[redline]

Originally posted by Khalil.e


Does the supercharger do much to increase torque down low?

not really, the ESS kit that most people are running is a vortec style supercharger and the 625hp kits still only puts out about 400lbs of torque. still not as much the the c63... no replacement for displacement.

[Tuner1]

Originally posted by Khalil.e


Does the supercharger do much to increase torque down low?

It does increase the torque output starting @ ~1500rpm, but it still doesn't feel like an 8.4L Viper, however an ESS'd M3 will roast the tires in 1st and 2nd gear without effort so how much low-end torque can really been ultilized?

Another reason I chose the M3 was because you can fit proper size tires under the stock fenders. Hell, an M3 will accept larger FRONT tires than you can fit on the REAR of a C63 :nut: For those of us looking to maximize the performance envelope of a given car, max tire size is a very important factor. AMG knows this too, hence the big fender flares on the Black Series cars.

[Sugarphreak]

...

[rage2]

Originally posted by Tuner1
Another reason I chose the M3 was because you can fit proper size tires under the stock fenders. Hell, an M3 will accept larger FRONT tires than you can fit on the REAR of a C63 :nut:
That's probably my biggest complaint with the C63, is the lack of tire. It's enough for a drag race, but severly lacking for any serious cornering work. Fun on the streets, but turns into a drift car pretty quickly at the track.


Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Please... for my own sanity, don't call it a manual

THe correct term is "AMG SPEEDSHIFT 7G-TRONIC"
For 2012 it's the AMG Speedshift MCT. It's a wicked transmission that's somewhere inbetween DSG and SMG.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Neil4Speed]

A bit of a background on the MCT speedshift - Narrated by someone who may or may not be Satan.

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[Tuner1]

Originally posted by rage2
For 2012 it's the AMG Speedshift MCT. It's a wicked transmission that's somewhere inbetween DSG and SMG.

Very cool - I can't wait to try it!

[rage2]

Originally posted by Tuner1
Very cool - I can't wait to try it!
It's already available in last year's SL63 and E63. A few have popped up next door already.

[SilverStreak]

Hmm, lots of moving parts in that tranny, wonder how long it can last. That would be an expensive bill....