Fast cars with cargo space

[b_t]

My lease on my truck is just about up, time to find something new. Unfortunately my criteria seem to be mutually exclusive. I'm looking for something that
- is fast and fun to drive
- has a lot of cargo space. doesn't have to be enclosed.

my third criteria, which disqualifies some of the obvious choices that fit options 1 and 2 is

- can't be ugly as sin (hence, no STi 5 door or Magnum SRT-8)

is there something I'm missing? Really the best option I can think of would be if GM made a new El Camino, except they never will. I'm not opposed to 5 doors per se, because I actually like how the Audi A3 looks, but I don't know much about how it drives.

[Redlyne_mr2]

328 wagons or bmw x1? X3 35i is really quick if you're looking to spend $50K +

[chkolny541]

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[RC-Cola]

Audi S4 Avant - 'nuf said...

S4 Avant Overview (http://www.netcarshow.com/audi/2009-s4_avant/)

[JustinMCS]

Originally posted by RC-Cola
Audi S4 Avant - 'nuf said...

S4 Avant Overview (http://www.netcarshow.com/audi/2009-s4_avant/)

We don't get the B8 Audi S4 Avant here, but you can pick up a used B7 Audi S4 Avant.

340hp, 6 speed manual, wagon. It was my thought as well!

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

M5 wagon.

[b_t]

Originally posted by chkolny541
your seriously going to have to give more requirements, this is the most vague thread ever.



What car should i buy!!?!?!?, must be fast and have trunk. Budget apparently irrelevant !!!

Buy a ferrari with a cargo trailer

budget is about $2.40 plus a tim hortons gift card

don't see how I could make it any more clear. depending on if I can buy the car new or not changes the price. used I won't spend as much, putting the Jeep SRT8 out of my price range. new.. I can afford quite a bit

the X1 is about as ugly as most new small BMWs imo, can't stand that thing. the X3 is nice though, its still on the list.. not a fan of BMW's 328 wagon.

the Audis are nice but I'm not quite sure if my taste is discerning enough to justify the price difference between a S4 and, say, a hopped up Golf

[95EG6P]

LOL made my day

Buy a ferrari with a cargo trailer [/B][/QUOTE]

[gojetsgo]

What is your definition of fast?

[b_t]

Originally posted by gojetsgo
What is your definition of fast?

zero to 60 in less than 12 seconds

not crazy fast. like a V6 Genesis coupe that could haul shit in the back. easy modability is a plus, so I have a preference for turbo cars or north american V8s

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by b_t


budget is about $2.40 plus a tim hortons gift card

don't see how I could make it any more clear. depending on if I can buy the car new or not changes the price. used I won't spend as much, putting the Jeep SRT8 out of my price range. new.. I can afford quite a bit

the X1 is about as ugly as most new small BMWs imo, can't stand that thing. the X3 is nice though, its still on the list.. not a fan of BMW's 328 wagon.

the Audis are nice but I'm not quite sure if my taste is discerning enough to justify the price difference between a S4 and, say, a hopped up Golf

The a4 wagon s line is really nice. Just not the quickest car in the world.

[gojetsgo]

Turbo or non turbo?

[chkolny541]

:love: :love:

[Xtrema]

Ford F150 SVT Raptor?

BMW X5?

2012 MB ML350?

Audi Q7?

MB B200 Turbo?

[b_t]

Originally posted by Xtrema
Ford F150 SVT Raptor?

BMW X5?

2012 MB ML350?

Audi Q7?

don't like the benz or the audi, the BMW X5 is too much and I'd prefer something lower to the ground.

that said though, the Raptor is super tempting, been trying to line up a test drive on one.. the cost of gas for it and past bad experiences with Fords are working against it. but if I can't find a car that fits, it'd be what I'd go with

[KandabashiDevil]

Originally posted by b_t
Really the best option I can think of would be if GM made a new El Camino, except they never will.

Wow :rofl:

You seem like a classy guy .... The Pontiac Aztek sounds like the perfect car for you.
Definitely "fast" enough for you, and lots of cargo space. :thumbsup:

[b_t]

Originally posted by KandabashiDevil


Wow :rofl:

You seem like a classy guy .... The Pontiac Aztek sounds like the perfect car for you.
Definitely "fast" enough for you, and lots of cargo space. :thumbsup:

yeah buddy
get fucked

to each their own

[gojetsgo]

Originally posted by b_t


don't like the benz or the audi, the BMW X5 is too much and I'd prefer something lower to the ground.

that said though, the Raptor is super tempting, been trying to line up a test drive on one.. the cost of gas for it and past bad experiences with Fords are working against it. but if I can't find a car that fits, it'd be what I'd go with

What color Raptor would you get?

[gojetsgo]

What about buying an old El Camino and restoring it?

[b_t]

Originally posted by gojetsgo


What color Raptor would you get?
I like the orange and the blue both, with no decals.

really tho its one of those trucks that looks good in any color. imo Ford knocked it out of the park with that one

as far as getting an old car gets, I thought about that too. an old El Camino with a LS1 swap would get the job done but you have sacrifice a lot of modern conveniences to do it.

plus I just used the term El Camino because people would recognize it. when I think modern Caminos, I think the Pontiac G8 ute concept they showed a few years back but never built

http://m.jalopnik.com/5340711/report-the-pontiac-g8-el-camino-gxp-live-as-holdens

dear god I would love to have one. awesome motor, awesome transmission, RWD, somewhat lightweight, and it looked as good as a car-truck-thing can look

[gojetsgo]

Ever thought about getting a natural gas car?

[rage2]

I'm looking for the exact same vehicle criteria right now. Here's what I have 'er narrowed down to.

New Caddilac CTS-V Wagon - Won't be available till Sept or Oct, 2011's all sold out (they only made 10 or something stupid).

New BMW 550i xDrive Gran Turismo - Haven't driven one or seen one in person yet.

Used ML63 - Surprisingly, these things go for 40-50k. Gotta love SUV depreciation.

Used E55 Wagon - I drove one of these years ago and absolutely love it. Maintenance on that 5.4L Supercharged V8 can get a little pricey tho. Cheap entry price.

Used R63 "Minivan" - There's apparently only 5 of these in Canada and 30 in the US, they never sold well at all. I guess there's almost no market for a 500hp minivan haha. Some guy in the US with one absolutely loves it.

[zipdoa]

B6 Audi 1.8T Avant 6MT + chip = 230HP/265ft/lbs
Audi Allroad 2.7T 6MT + chip = 300HP/360ft/lbs

[Darell_n]

Originally posted by b_t
My lease on my truck is just about up, time to find something new. Unfortunately my criteria seem to be mutually exclusive. I'm looking for something that
- is fast and fun to drive
- has a lot of cargo space. doesn't have to be enclosed.

my third criteria, which disqualifies some of the obvious choices that fit options 1 and 2 is

- can't be ugly as sin (hence, no STi 5 door or Magnum SRT-8)

is there something I'm missing? Really the best option I can think of would be if GM made a new El Camino, except they never will. I'm not opposed to 5 doors per se, because I actually like how the Audi A3 looks, but I don't know much about how it drives.

Why not stay with a truck? Buy a 4 yr old Chev with a 6.0L and a $4k turbo kit and enjoy 700 hp and better than stock mileage. And spend half of what a so called 'fast' new car will cost. Domestic V8s will always be the best performance dollar for dollar.

[b_t]

Originally posted by rage2
I'm looking for the exact same vehicle criteria right now. Here's what I have 'er narrowed down to.

New Caddilac CTS-V Wagon - Won't be available till Sept or Oct, 2011's all sold out (they only made 10 or something stupid).

New BMW 550i xDrive Gran Turismo - Haven't driven one or seen one in person yet.

Used ML63 - Surprisingly, these things go for 40-50k. Gotta love SUV depreciation.

Used E55 Wagon - I drove one of these years ago and absolutely love it. Maintenance on that 5.4L Supercharged V8 can get a little pricey tho. Cheap entry price.

Used R63 "Minivan" - There's apparently only 5 of these in Canada and 50 in the US, they never sold well at all. I guess there's almost no market for a 500hp minivan haha. Some guy in the US with one absolutely loves it.

all above my price range unfortunately although some of those are super nice.. I would sacrifice a lot to get a ML63. even one of those R63s would be sweet! hilarious concept, it'd be like having a real life version of that formula one van from Gran Turismo 2 (renault espace F1?)

I can do 50-60k on a new car so iirc that limits me to 3 series level stuff.

the new Audi route seems like the best bet right now
like, holy shit
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/brungold/Things/IMG_5884.jpg
that is one sexy wagon
very solid engine for mods too

[pheoxs]

I'd say go test drive a new F-150 Ecoboost. Its definitely got the power you're looking for, plus lots of room and pretty its not ugly by any means.

Plus I'd imagine theres going to be a fair bit of aftermarket support for the new turbo V6's once more people get their hands on them

[Shlade]

Originally posted by rage2
.

The car you have as a daily beater isnt cutting it anymore? God damn

[Cos]

I was gonna say raptor but how about an srt8 jeep? Didn't see that mentioned.

How much room do you need? What about an s4 non avant? Guy at work has one, new start low 50k which surprised me.

[Tik-Tok]

2004-2006 4.2L Allroad w/manual transmission :thumbsup: (just stay the fuck away from 2.7T tiptronics)

[badatusrnames]

Originally posted by b_t


zero to 60 in less than 12 seconds

not crazy fast. like a V6 Genesis coupe that could haul shit in the back. easy modability is a plus, so I have a preference for turbo cars or north american V8s

That's slow as shit. Can't tell if serious.

[b_t]

Originally posted by badatusrnames


That's slow as shit. Can't tell if serious.

lol whoops i mixed up the genesis and g37 numbers from the road test I was reading. make that as fast as G37S 0-60 mid 5s


Originally posted by Cos
I was gonna say raptor but how about an srt8 jeep? Didn't see that mentioned.

How much room do you need? What about an s4 non avant? Guy at work has one, new start low 50k which surprised me.
the SRT8 Jeep is the most obvious choice but they are out of my price range.. plus as much as I usually don't care about mileage because I don't drive that much, less than 10mpg is just retarded

I thought about sedans too but the stuff I usually haul won't fit through most trunk openings, its gotta have a bed or a hatchback.

[benyl]

Originally posted by rage2

Used R63 "Minivan" - There's apparently only 5 of these in Canada and 30 in the US, they never sold well at all. I guess there's almost no market for a 500hp minivan haha. Some guy in the US with one absolutely loves it.

There is an Asian guy in Calgary with a white one.

CTS-V wagon would my choice unless they bring in the E63 wagon.

[Stealth22]

I'd say either the Audi Avant, or an Outback 3.6R

[dirtsniffer]

volvo v70R? audi A-3?

[Rat Fink]

.

[taemo]

since you don't like 5-dr WRX, in your position I would look into a E55 AMG Wagon first then S4 Avant second.

[Masked Bandit]

Used SUV that hasn't been mentioned...Chev Trailblazer SS (over 400 hp and most were AWD).

For a sedan there is also the Pontiac G8 GT or GXP if you can find one.

A couple of years ago Shaganappi took the G8 GT (6.0 L), gave it to Davenport for a little supercharger and it ended up over 500 hp (claimed).

[Troll-ol]

Originally posted by Masked Bandit
Used SUV that hasn't been mentioned...Chev Trailblazer SS (over 400 hp and most were AWD).

For a sedan there is also the Pontiac G8 GT or GXP if you can find one.

A couple of years ago Shaganappi took the G8 GT (6.0 L), gave it to Davenport for a little supercharger and it ended up over 500 hp (claimed). Those trail blazer ss are sick, especially lowered a bit they look awesome.

[Wannago]

There's always the new Taurus SHO. While it doesn't necessarily exude sexiness, it has lots of bells 'n whistles and the trunk is absoultely HUGE.

Not all that fast (0-060 5.2) out of the 365 HP Ecoboost, but respectable for such a big car.

[Xtrema]

Too bad TSX Wagon doesn't come with V6. But still a pretty good size wagon for its price. Especially if you are considering A3 already.

B8 A4 Avant can be another option. Although there are not many used ones on the market.

[Onassis]

Ford Taurus SHO
ford Raptor
Ferrari ff

[flipstah]

Why not the A6 Avant? Looks sleeker than the A4 Avant. :thumbsup:

[ExtraSlow]

Ford Flex ecoboost? Some people hate the styling, but it's massive, and kinda quick. 0-60 in seven seconds.

Myself, I think it's a pretty compelling vehicle, and I think the styling is a lot better than the SUV-style vehciles that it's commonly compared against.

[adamc]

M5 Estate

[yipb]

porsche panamera?

[lint]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
Ford Flex ecoboost? Some people hate the styling, but it's massive, and kinda quick. 0-60 in seven seconds.

Myself, I think it's a pretty compelling vehicle, and I think the styling is a lot better than the SUV-style vehciles that it's commonly compared against.

they're horrible. just ask j-hop

[gojetsgo]

I would opt for the Ferrari 612 Scaglietti.

[Kloubek]

Nobody suggested a Cayenne yet?

I'm (somewhat) looking into these - so I can reduce my fleet down to just my car and the wife's car. The turbos are really very quick, and there is one on Kijiji right now for under 25g.

FX45 would be another option I think.

[rizfarmer]

Originally posted by n1zm0
We just took.a buddies mazdaspeed 6 to houseboating. So much space! Hugs the road too, more than enough go to overtake a semi in short notice. Its one of those oddities too right, 4 dr sedan with a hatchback door.

When did Mazda start making the speed6 in hatchback configuration?

[b_t]

yeah my dad has a FX45, not that big in the back but it would get the job done. the biggest piece I haul is about 15 x 30 x 34 inches and weighs 120 pounds

yo what the fuck ppl are posting messages 7 hours in the future, thread is all out of order.

[sputnik]

http://bringatrailer.com/2011/04/18/belgian-brake-1981-dp-porsche-924-cargo/

[CapnCrunch]

Originally posted by b_t



the SRT8 Jeep is the most obvious choice but they are out of my price range..

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Originally posted by b_t

I can do 50-60k on a new car




:confused:

[b_t]

Originally posted by CapnCrunch


+






:confused:

new & used work differently for me, my bank isn't competitive with car companies when it comes to financing rates

[rage2]

Originally posted by b_t
new & used work differently for me, my bank isn't competitive with car companies when it comes to financing rates
Well then, MB has a special on used vehicle finance right now for their 125th Anniversary.


*1.25% financing only available through Mercedes-Benz Financial Services on approved credit for a limited time. Only available on a 36, 48, 60 and 72 month finance term and only applicable to MY 2007-2010 models (less than 140,000 km). Finance example: $20,000 at 1.25%per annum equals $344.03 per month for 60 months. Cost of borrowing is $641.92 for a total of $20,641.92.

[94_S14]

RS6 avante, nuf said.

[Cos]

Originally posted by rage2

Well then, MB has a special on used vehicle finance right now for their 125th Anniversary.



Holy ass Im going to look for an MB. You guys talk to anyone specifically at the dealers?

[R-Audi]

Originally posted by 94_S14
RS6 avante, nuf said.

Because they are available in Canada Im assuming...:banghead:

[CapnCrunch]

Originally posted by b_t


new & used work differently for me, my bank isn't competitive with car companies when it comes to financing rates

I see.

Well then, I'd just buy a beater for a few grand to haul, and then get whatever the hell I wanted with the rest of the money. I'm crazy like that though.

[YamahaV8]

Dodge Ram SRT-10 :D

[Redlined_8000]

How about a Mazda Speed 3?? Decently quick hatchback, fold down the back seats and lotta cargo space.

EDIT: Why is my post down here lol

[jonnycat]

Originally posted by Troll-ol
Those trail blazer ss are sick, especially lowered a bit they look awesome.

But their interiors look like such ass.

[ExtraSlow]

Mazda3 does NOT have much cargo space. I own one, and that's the reason I've been trolling this forum with talk of the Flex.
Hell, it doesn't even have much people space, that back seat is very small. Can't fit an adult behind an adult driver.

[psycoticclown]

Subaru LGT wagon? Won't be as luxurious as some cars but it'll haul. And mods on them are cheap. Could get one used and then throw on a turbo kit that'll make it have more power then an STi for 3 or 4k

[n1zm0]

We just took.a buddies mazdaspeed 6 to houseboating. So much space! Hugs the road too, more than enough go to overtake a semi in short notice. Its one of those oddities too right, 4 dr sedan with a hatchback door.

[Cos]

Originally posted by psycoticclown
Subaru LGT wagon? Won't be as luxurious as some cars but it'll haul. And mods on them are cheap. Could get one used and then throw on a turbo kit that'll make it have more power then an STi for 3 or 4k

Actually that is a good suggestion.

[redline]

Originally posted by Kloubek


FX45 would be another option I think.

Not a lot of room in these for a suv. Cargo space is next to nothing.

[Kloubek]

For an SUV, no - I agree. Cayenne is limited too. But considering he was originally talking about cars, I would venture to guess they would be pretty decent in comparison.

[lint]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
Mazda3 does NOT have much cargo space. I own one, and that's the reason I've been trolling this forum with talk of the Flex.
Hell, it doesn't even have much people space, that back seat is very small. Can't fit an adult behind an adult driver.

we have a Mazda3 and the flex. the difference in space is not comparable, even though our flex is a 6 seater config.
the flex is not as fun to drive, but that's not it's niche. it is a roomy, comfy people and stuff mover and has plenty of power on tap if you want to punch it. it doesnt maximize space like a minivan, but provides more than your typical suv, and with handling more like a 4900 lb station wagon.

[max_boost]

What about the Subaru lineup? Forester 2.5XT or WRX hatch? :dunno: :burnout:

[Stealth22]

Originally posted by max_boost
What about the Subaru lineup? Forester 2.5XT or WRX hatch? :dunno: :burnout: Or the Outback 3.6R, like I said above. OP stated he doesn't want an Impreza hatchback, and that was going to be my first suggestion! :rofl:

LGT wagon is a good idea too.

[jonnycat]

Infiniti EX35? I keep comIng back to them. Acceleration is good for 6.6sec to 60

[Guillermo]

what about an '04-'07 malibu maxx? mid-sized v6 hatch, sunroof over the rear seat for when you drive the kids to soccer. get the LTZ package with all the bells and whistles for around $15k certified used, and spend the extra $45k on upgrading the kitchen and bathrooms in your house. :dunno:

[yipb]

Originally posted by b_t
yeah my dad has a FX45, not that big in the back but it would get the job done. the biggest piece I haul is about 15 x 30 x 34 inches and weighs 120 pounds

yo what the fuck ppl are posting messages 7 hours in the future, thread is all out of order.

huh? whos posting hours ahead

[Tomaz]

As previously mentioned, Ecoboost F-150. :thumbsup: Not a car, but why not?

[HiSpec]

Originally posted by n1zm0
We just took.a buddies mazdaspeed 6 to houseboating. So much space! Hugs the road too, more than enough go to overtake a semi in short notice. Its one of those oddities too right, 4 dr sedan with a hatchback door.

Alternative is Forester with STi swap. If you don't mind the work.

[soccernut]

has this been mentioned? I think it's ugly as hell but OP might think otherwise:


http://www.jamb.ca/gallery/albums/Newcars/chevySSR.jpg

EDIT: too bad for you they dont make this here:
http://www.tuningnews.net/news/070822b/holden-ve-ute.jpg

ayy15WfQP1s

[962 kid]

Originally posted by Kloubek
Nobody suggested a Cayenne yet?

I'm (somewhat) looking into these - so I can reduce my fleet down to just my car and the wife's car. The turbos are really very quick, and there is one on Kijiji right now for under 25g.

FX45 would be another option I think.

I'd be very, very scared of a 25k dollar cayenne turbo

[Vr4Whore]

lol JDM legacy GT/GTB 4-9k one of my favorite cars

[Maybelater]

Originally posted by b_t
it'd be like having a real life version of that formula one van from Gran Turismo 2 (renault espace F1?)

Shit just got real.

OpdDDsavOPI

[rage2]

The Espace F1 has no cargo space. :rofl:

[CUG]

E55 AMG Wagon

[ExtraSlow]

I don't think they sell the AMG E Wagon in North America, do they? That's a bitchin car.

[davesparky6]

Do they make the Lancer Ralliart in the sportback? Cool car if so.

[dirtsniffer]

^^ ya they do, my neighbor has one

[rage2]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
I don't think they sell the AMG E Wagon in North America, do they? That's a bitchin car.
They do. I drove an E55 Wagon a few years ago, the supercharged V8 one, and it was damn fun. So unsuspecting.


Originally posted by davesparky6
Do they make the Lancer Ralliart in the sportback? Cool car if so.
Yea, I looked at one at Platinum Mitsu a week or 2 ago. Really cool car. Only worth it if you're paying for it cash.

[b_t]

Originally posted by soccernut
has this been mentioned? I think it's ugly as hell but OP might think otherwise:


http://www.jamb.ca/gallery/albums/Newcars/chevySSR.jpg

EDIT: too bad for you they dont make this here:
http://www.tuningnews.net/news/070822b/holden-ve-ute.jpg

ayy15WfQP1s

if I could get that Holden here I would have bought it probably three years ago :rofl: they almost did bring it over as a Pontiac.

The SSR though.. that thing is ugly as fuck. I could not drive something that hideous.

[Masked Bandit]

Originally posted by b_t


if I could get that Holden here I would have bought it probably three years ago :rofl: they almost did bring it over as a Pontiac.

The SSR though.. that thing is ugly as fuck. I could not drive something that hideous.

Pontiac did something close to that Holden, the G8 GXP. There weren't very many of them but they came with a 6.2 L

[tenth]

I am in a similar boat, although less in definite need of sizable cargo space and AWD is mandatory. I don't haul things every day, but I'm fed up with the WRX sedan not being able to fit anything in it.

My budget is in the $40-50k range. If I decide I want more room, it seems the X3 and Infiniti EX35 fit best. I'm not against an Outback or Forrester, but they're low on power and I'm annoyed at an expensive emissions-related CEL I'm dealing with on the WRX. For mid-size cars, will give the S4, G37x, is350 AWD, TL AWD, and maybe Taurus SHO a go as well.

Oddly I think this is one area where there is a gap in the North American market, as I can't find one vehicle that really fits all of my needs. Although an Audi S4 avant would be perfect. I don't mind going a year or 2 old, but it seems cars don't really drop in price until 3 or 4 years out when the lease returns come in, and at that point they're not much newer than my existing 2006.

[b_t]

Originally posted by Masked Bandit


Pontiac did something close to that Holden, the G8 GXP. There weren't very many of them but they came with a 6.2 L
I looked into the GXPs, but all the G8s seem to be collectables now. They are really holding their value.. even still I don't think their trunk opening would be big enough to accomodate what I want to haul.


Originally posted by tenth
I am in a similar boat, although less in definite need of sizable cargo space and AWD is mandatory. I don't haul things every day, but I'm fed up with the WRX sedan not being able to fit anything in it.

My budget is in the $40-50k range. If I decide I want more room, it seems the X3 and Infiniti EX35 fit best. I'm not against an Outback or Forrester, but they're low on power and I'm annoyed at an expensive emissions-related CEL I'm dealing with on the WRX. For mid-size cars, will give the S4, G37x, is350 AWD, TL AWD, and maybe Taurus SHO a go as well.

Oddly I think this is one area where there is a gap in the North American market, as I can't find one vehicle that really fits all of my needs. Although an Audi S4 avant would be perfect. I don't mind going a year or 2 old, but it seems cars don't really drop in price until 3 or 4 years out when the lease returns come in, and at that point they're not much newer than my existing 2006.
There are a lot of big gaps in the market right now imo.

When it comes down to it the STi would be exactly what I'm looking for, but Subaru has an absolutely awful track record when it comes to making cars that look good. The STi hatch is incredibly ugly... unless you get it in black with a bright set of rims so your eye is drawn away from how lumpy and fucked up looking the body is. I've been seeing the sedans around lately too, and they aren't any better. They cost $45k but look like those Kia knockoffs that you can get for $15.

[WhippWhapp]

CTS-V wagon?

[b_t]

I'd love to have one but they are $80k plus. well out of my price range.

[Guillermo]

LOL, it seems like you have the budget to buy a car and a truck. why not just have 2 vehicles instead of trying to go all mullet headed on us? :rofl:

[soccernut]

Originally posted by tenth
I am in a similar boat, although less in definite need of sizable cargo space and AWD is mandatory. I don't haul things every day, but I'm fed up with the WRX sedan not being able to fit anything in it.

My budget is in the $40-50k range. If I decide I want more room, it seems the X3 and Infiniti EX35 fit best. I'm not against an Outback or Forrester, but they're low on power and I'm annoyed at an expensive emissions-related CEL I'm dealing with on the WRX. For mid-size cars, will give the S4, G37x, is350 AWD, TL AWD, and maybe Taurus SHO a go as well.

Oddly I think this is one area where there is a gap in the North American market, as I can't find one vehicle that really fits all of my needs. Although an Audi S4 avant would be perfect. I don't mind going a year or 2 old, but it seems cars don't really drop in price until 3 or 4 years out when the lease returns come in, and at that point they're not much newer than my existing 2006.

Subaru Baja maybe?

[b_t]

Originally posted by Guillermo
LOL, it seems like you have the budget to buy a car and a truck. why not just have 2 vehicles instead of trying to go all mullet headed on us? :rofl:

I was just coming to post "fuck it"

I give up, no point in finding a vehicle that does both because you make too many compromises. so I'm gettin a genesis coupe, loved em ever since I first saw one, and then I'll mooch off people with trucks for the times I need to haul stuff

[ExtraSlow]

Yeah, pretty cheap to rent trucks for a couple weekends a year if you are moving building materials.