US: Planting vegetables illegal (93 days jailable offense)

[ZenOps]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/julie-bass-may-face-jail-time-for-planting-vegetables/2011/07/08/gIQAZZOv3H_blog.html

Knew it was coming. This is an extension of house bill S510 which makes it illegal to raise or grow food in municipal areas (yes it includes chickens AND vegetables)

The local authorities are willing to bend if she moves the garden into the backyard "out of view" which is just plain silly as plants need to be in the sunlight to grow.

Yeah, of course it damages property value a little bit (in the US maintaining the illusion of opulence and prosperity includes not planting food on your municipal lot)

But I still side with the lady growing a Victory survival garden.

[effingidiot]

What does Alex Jones have to say about this?

[lilmira]

I wouldn't mind it at all if it's well maintained.

I've seen sodded front/backyard that looks like shit most likely because the owner doesn't care.

Too bad the season is so short here. I'd love to grow my own.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by lilmira
I wouldn't mind it at all if it's well maintained.

I've seen sodded front/backyard that looks like shit most likely because the owner doesn't care.

Too bad the season is so short here. I'd love to grow my own.

We grow veggies in summer. They do just fine here.

[RickDaTuner]

wish they could pass a law like this for Calgary, instead of vegetables, it would be for all the people who love to park their car on lawns

[kvg]

Originally posted by RickDaTuner
wish they could pass a law like this for Calgary, instead of vegetables, it would be for all the people who love to park their car on lawns

The people in the NE would have no car instead of an old broken one;)

[Maybelater]

Originally posted by effingidiot
What does Alex Jones have to say about this?

:rofl: :rofl:

[ZenOps]

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Found a vid for the lazy readers. Lawyers get paid overtime, everyone else loses. No wonder every family in the US is $670,000 in debt.

Already got a ticket, escalated to a misdemeanor. Two trials pending, with more possible.

BTW: I find Rob Anders actions "unsuitable", throw him in jail!

[Xtrema]

#1 this has nothing to do with S510. S510 only say that product from your garden must be registered and traceable if you are selling or trading to someone else. Nobody cares if you grow for personal consumption.

#2 If my neighbor has front lawn as fugly as that garden, property value will drop and make my house undesirable. Send it to the back or dress it up better.

[PremiumRSX]

My neighbour had a really nice garden in his backyard before he moved.

Always planed every year and was well maintained and would sometimes give us fresh vegetables. His vegetable garden was much better maintained and much more pleasing to the eye than my front yard. When he sold his house and moved to an old folks home it definitely did not affect the value of his house.

I wouldn't think there's anything wrong with trying to plant your own vegetables in your backyard, but I've never seen vegetables in anybody's front yard before.

[ZenOps]

Thats one of the things this lady forgot to do.

She did not apply for a permit to have a garden at her house. S510 requires registration which means she will probably be required to remove the garden (and not just leave bare earth either, as it must be "suitable" material, meaning lawn)

Legally she has already lost. I doubt they would actually throw her in jail though.

It is illegal to grow food in the much of the US without a permit.

Although if that is the mayor speaking, I'm 100% sure he would have denied all front area gardens even if you asked for the permit.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by PremiumRSX
I wouldn't think there's anything wrong with trying to plant your own vegetables in your backyard, but I've never seen vegetables in anybody's front yard before.

I have never seen it in front yard either. But I have seen plenty backyard gardens. I would say only 1 in 10 I see are tastefully done and well maintained. And at least 5 out 10 are down right disgusting to look at, especially after harvest.


Originally posted by ZenOps
Thats one of the things this lady forgot to do.

She did not apply for a permit to have a garden at her house. S510 requires registration which means she will probably be required to remove the garden (and not just leave bare earth either, as it must be "suitable" material, meaning lawn)

Legally she has already lost. I doubt they would actually throw her in jail though.

It is illegal to grow food in the much of the US without a permit.

#1. She has no intention to sell or distribute

#2. This isn't a fed case. It's city ordinance enforcement with the term "suitable" definition soon to be contested and defined in court.

[calgary403]

Originally posted by ZenOps

Found a vid for the lazy readers. Lawyers get paid overtime, everyone else loses. No wonder every family in the US is $670,000 in debt.



Where did you get this figure from?

[ZenOps]

Yeesh, you guys should see Nevada in a drought year.

They used to have mandated lawns, until water shortages forced people to pay hundreds of dollars a month to keep the grass green. Then people gave up and put rocks in, and then they just gave up and defaulted.

[ZenOps]

Originally posted by calgary403


Where did you get this figure from?

$14.2 trillion in debt.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The more damaging figure is debt to gdp of almost 98%, which means everything but 2% goes to debt (it is possible to survive above 100%, but it starts to require selling existing assets in addition to everything being produced) You would also figure that with 45 million food stamp recipients in the US - they would be cheering people growing gardens.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by calgary403


Where did you get this figure from?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

I guess the number are from here. And ZenOps isn't that far off on that one if add per citizen (nat debt + state debt + personal debt) * 4 (typical family size).


Originally posted by ZenOps
Yeesh, you guys should see Nevada in a drought year.

They used to have mandated lawns, until water shortages forced people to pay hundreds of dollars a month to keep the grass green. Then people gave up and put rocks in, and then they just gave up and defaulted.

I have no problem with rock gardens. There are many around here decided to go that route and some are actually pretty nice (but probably cost a lot more than lawn).