BC Racers busted

[oupzwrongthread]

Haiya Guys

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/09/01/bc-cars-impounded.html

[max_boost]

haha wow in broad day light too.

[Tomaz]

Sounds like a group of young ballers! 18 with a Lambo. My jealousy is high.

[ercchry]

who wants to put money on them being students and mommy and daddy are based in hong kong?

[Team_Mclaren]

that tunnel is awesome. i bomb around there from time to time. And i dont drive a lambo.. lol

My bet is they are chinese. Ferraris and Lambos with N plate, typical richmond ;) I doubt its organized "racing". Probably watched too much top gear.

[Super_Geo]

I thought they crushed cars going over 50?

[Joe-G]

Originally posted by Super_Geo
I thought they crushed cars going over 50?

Only in Ontario?

[Team_Mclaren]

Originally posted by Super_Geo
I thought they crushed cars going over 50?

not in BC iirc, but you get them impounded for 40over.

[A790]

Originally posted by Super_Geo
I thought they crushed cars going over 50?
Only if you're middle class or poor.

[phubu]

wow bunch of spoiled punks

[lophilip]

A $200 fine? BC is obviously street racer friendly.

[GQBalla]

guaranteed chinese.

Rich off parents in China or Hong Kong


Good for them though
ahahah

[94boosted]

WTF. What makes this case different from the case a few months back were some guy was racing his Scuderia, got busted, they impounded his car and auctioned it off?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/11/23/bc-ferrari-seized.html

[AllGoNoShow]

Originally posted by 94boosted
WTF. What makes this case different from the case a few months back were some guy was racing his Scuderia, got busted, they impounded his car and auctioned it off?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/11/23/bc-ferrari-seized.html

My hope is they got their pants sued off and now can no longer auction off vehicles. Soon enough they will get sued for taking personal property and they will no longer be able to seize your vehicle off the side of the highway for bullshit laws.

[Maybelater]

I think it is a bit much that the government can seize your property, a license suspension would be just fine.

But I would really like to see a fine system like Sweden.

[nickyh]

So hold on..... they only get a $196 fine for street racing yet Joe Schmoe speeding on the TransCanada get's dinged with a higher fine under their new anti-speeding legistlation??
How does that make any sense?


They should have their cars crushed - that "should" teach them a lesson

[max_boost]

If you want to teach them a lesson, take away their license or have their parents stop sending money or do community service in East Hastings or whatever lol Otherwise giving fines is just part of the cost of driving.

[Machi]

It'd be nice if they lost their licenses for awhile seeing as they're still in the GDL thing or whatever.
IF they get charged with dangerous driving, only then the cars will get seized I believe..

Sick cars though.. :burnout:

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[Team_Mclaren]

LOL many jellly people here.

They were "reported" racing from what i can understand. They only got pulled over by RCMP afterwards. Any decent lawyer should be able to fight those charges off.

edit: i think i might have seem that gold GTR.. but it wasnt gold then?! is there one in calgary with the same plate?

[slinkie]

The infamous MM design hahaha:rofl:

[94boosted]

Originally posted by 94boosted
WTF. What makes this case different from the case a few months back were some guy was racing his Scuderia, got busted, they impounded his car and auctioned it off?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/11/23/bc-ferrari-seized.html

NVM I guess because they weren't actually caught red handed the cops can't do much

http://surreybeacon.com/2011/09/no-...public-shaming/




Originally posted by AllGoNoShow


My hope is they got their pants sued off and now can no longer auction off vehicles. Soon enough they will get sued for taking personal property and they will no longer be able to seize your vehicle off the side of the highway for bullshit laws.

:werd: I really do hope some rich guy that has his car impounded and auctioned off sues the province and teaches them that they can't just take peoples property. But these punks definetly deserve a much stiffer punishment.

[muse017]

DEFINITELY DRIVEN BY CHINESE BOYS LOL 777,888,999 :rofl:

[Sentry]

"The majority of them had personalized plates as well and were souped-up, so they're fairly distinguished and the witnesses had no problem in providing us with the descriptors that were tracked back to the vehicles."
This is why I like building sleepers.

[J-hop]

Originally posted by Maybelater
I think it is a bit much that the government can seize your property, a license suspension would be just fine.

But I would really like to see a fine system like Sweden.

you have a point, but when you were little if you hit your brother over the head with your favorite toy, what happened? your mom/dad took it away because you used it inappropriately. "Adults" acting like children should be treated in the same manner IMO.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by Team_Mclaren
LOL many jellly people here.

They were "reported" racing from what i can understand. They only got pulled over by RCMP afterwards. Any decent lawyer should be able to fight those chances off.

edit: i think i might have seem that gold GTR.. but it wasnt gold then?! is there one in calgary with the same plate?

It makes my getting caught doing 140 in Banff look like nothing. Yea OMGDANGEROUS50KMSOVERFACEPALM. jk

[sevewone]

Oh wow even spotted 2 N (http://forums.blueline.ca/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=14018) stickers :rofl:

[Chantastic]

The only part that really bugs me, according to the other link in the thread that got closed was the whole part about them blocking off traffic by going 50kph and then the guys up ahead racing. That's probably the most dangerous part, if indeed true.

[googe]

Originally posted by 94boosted


NVM I guess because they weren't actually caught red handed the cops can't do much

http://surreybeacon.com/2011/09/no-...public-shaming/


:werd: I really do hope some rich guy that has his car impounded and auctioned off sues the province and teaches them that they can't just take peoples property. But these punks definetly deserve a much stiffer punishment.

aw man you quoted Markham's site


but yeah, seizing property is epic bullshit.

[Heru-Farukon]

Originally posted by Machi


http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8296/5340652.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4087/5340653.jpg

LOOOK. I see Chinese Teenagers. They could be the drivers ! lol

[Sentry]

Originally posted by googe
aw man you quoted Markham's site


but yeah, seizing property is epic bullshit.
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/630/socksincrocs.jpg

[dirtsniffer]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Team_Mclaren]

Originally posted by Chantastic
The only part that really bugs me, according to the other link in the thread that got closed was the whole part about them blocking off traffic by going 50kph and then the guys up ahead racing. That's probably the most dangerous part, if indeed true.


if you and all your friends had cars like that, you would've done the same in the tunnel. Seriously, so its cool when top gear does it but not some idiots in Van? IIRC the tunnel speed limit is 60k, How's that even remotely "dargerous"?

Im not defending them by any means, ya its fucking stupid. But fuck, if we had a tunnel and all the beyond ballars with their ferraris and lambos did the same, you guys wouldve been cheering and drooling.

[Heru-Farukon]

Originally posted by Team_Mclaren

Im not defending them by any means, ya its fucking stupid. But fuck, if we had a tunnel and all the beyond ballars with their ferraris and lambos did the same, you guys wouldve been cheering and drooling.
:werd:
I know I would and attempt to chase them

[K3RMiTdot]

I'm jelly

[94boosted]

Originally posted by googe


aw man you quoted Markham's site



Ooops, my bad lol

[Chantastic]

Originally posted by Team_Mclaren



if you and all your friends had cars like that, you would've done the same in the tunnel. Seriously, so its cool when top gear does it but not some idiots in Van? IIRC the tunnel speed limit is 60k, How's that even remotely "dargerous"?

Im not defending them by any means, ya its fucking stupid. But fuck, if we had a tunnel and all the beyond ballars with their ferraris and lambos did the same, you guys wouldve been cheering and drooling.

Yea I'm saying it really didn't sound that bad except for the blocking of traffic part, only because that one website said it was highway and they slowed things down to 50. If this isn't the case and it is indeed a 60 limit, well, then it sounds like a typical beyond cruise. Lots of people called cops on the big cruise last year as soon as we left Deerfoot mall. No one was racing or exceptionally speeding right there, but when you get alot of enthusiast cars together, exotic or not, people get scared. People think it's some kind of gang.

edit: and then you throw fancy cars, teenagers, and 'N' licenses in the mix, and it's even worse.

[J-hop]

Lmao just realized the gtr has a k&n sticker on the back, what a fool. Who advertises that, especially on a gtr. He probably even thinks a CAI is a respectable mod :facepalm: :facepalm:

[civic_stylez]

Originally posted by J-hop
Lmao just realized the gtr has a k&n sticker on the back, what a fool. Who advertises that, especially on a gtr. He probably even thinks a CAI is a respectable mod :facepalm: :facepalm:


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[Proyecto2000]

I heard on Global this morning that the drivers are going to fight the $196 tickets in court :facepalm:

[clem24]

So according to this reporter, one of the "friends" ratted them out (i.e. admitting that people in the group were indeed racing):

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110901/bc_young_drivers_racing_cars_110901/20110901?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

And surprise, surprise, only one car was registered to the actual driver of said cars.

In any case, I doubt police have enough hard evidence to permanently seize the cars in this case but I for one completely agree with the seizure law. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Why are there so many anti-government/anti-police users here on Beyond...

[AllGoNoShow]

Originally posted by clem24
So according to this reporter, one of the "friends" ratted them out (i.e. admitting that people in the group were indeed racing):

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110901/bc_young_drivers_racing_cars_110901/20110901?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

And surprise, surprise, only one car was registered to the actual driver of said cars.

In any case, I doubt police have enough hard evidence to permanently seize the cars in this case but I for one completely agree with the seizure law. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Why are there so many anti-government/anti-police users here on Beyond...

If you enjoy the government/police abusing their power and seizing your personal property then so be it. But it is called PERSONAL property for a reason. The government/police do not OWN my personal possessions, they are rightfully mine. So how do they have the power to take MY personal property away without my consent? That is 100% theft. Whether or not there is a law in place that allows them to take my personal property, it is theft. The law does not make it right, just allows them to do it. One day they will be sued and it will be corrected, I wish I had the cash to do it right now.

If they want to catch me doing 200km/h in a 110 zone, give me a ticket, that is fine with me. If they catch me and want to take my license away, no problem, THEY issued the license to me and that is their property, they want it back they can have it if they are in the right. But the vehicle they want to seize is MINE, not theirs, they do not own it, they do not have rights to it and they definitely cannot take it without hell rising.

You probably also think that the Subway store owner can have your vehicle towed away from the front of his store and impounded, which is also theft and the store owner and tow truck driver can be charged with theft, possession of stolen goods and conspiracy to commit a crime. This is no different except someone has passed a "law' making it "right" for an "officer" to take your vehicle away from you when they have no authority/permission to do so, and it sure as hell isn't legal.

[bastardchild]

Now I know why people scream "daddy's car" when I'm rolling in my Ferrari :rofl:

[AllGoNoShow]

Originally posted by bastardchild
Now I know why people scream "daddy's car" when I'm rolling in my Ferrari :rofl:

:rofl: Jealousy at its max ;) Props to you P, you've done well.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by bastardchild
Now I know why people scream "daddy's car" when I'm rolling in my Ferrari :rofl:

just get a vinyl that says "no, its mine... i sell drugs" :rofl:

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by AllGoNoShow

This is no different except someone has passed a "law' making it "right" for an "officer" to take your vehicle away from you when they have no authority/permission to do so, and it sure as hell isn't legal.

:rofl:

Thanks for the rant, I needed a good chuckle this morning.

[clem24]

Originally posted by AllGoNoShow
If they catch me and want to take my license away, no problem, THEY issued the license to me and that is their property, they want it back they can have it if they are in the right.

LOL wut..? So you'd rather they ban you for life from driving, rather than just confiscating your car..?

In any case, the law is the law. It's not hidden or anything. They spell it out. Street race, and they have the right to confiscate your car. Your car is a menace on the road. Just like how if you had a gun and starting randomly shooting things. You can bet your ass they'd confiscate your firearm. How else do you deter people from doing reckless and stupid things in public?

Just a total attitude of entitlement that is the North American way. If I had my way, I'd also like to introduce like for like punishments to crimes, or lifetime driving ban on 1st offense DUI. But of course, these are either "inhumane" or "unconstitutional".

Sue the government or police? Good luck. I don't think any judge will have sympathy towards young punks racing on public roads.

[mr2mike]

Doesn't graduated licensing have a HP restriction or a "sports car" restriction?
I never had a graduated license so I never paid too much attention to it but isn't there something like that in the law?

[AllGoNoShow]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


:rofl:

Thanks for the rant, I needed a good chuckle this morning.

No problem ;) I love to rant.


Originally posted by clem24


LOL wut..? So you'd rather they ban you for life from driving, rather than just confiscating your car..?

In any case, the law is the law. It's not hidden or anything. They spell it out. Street race, and they have the right to confiscate your car. Your car is a menace on the road. Just like how if you had a gun and starting randomly shooting things. You can bet your ass they'd confiscate your firearm. How else do you deter people from doing reckless and stupid things in public?

Just a total attitude of entitlement that is the North American way. If I had my way, I'd also like to introduce like for like punishments to crimes, or lifetime driving ban on 1st offense DUI. But of course, these are either "inhumane" or "unconstitutional".

Sue the government or police? Good luck. I don't think any judge will have sympathy towards young punks racing on public roads.

I never once said I would rather be banned for life from driving, I just said if they want to confiscate my drivers ID then they can, they own it. I will have to go to court and fight for it back or wait whatever suspension they give me (if any) and get it back then.

They do have laws in BC for speeding, wreckless driving, etc.. but there is no specific street racing laws in BC, unless C-19 got passed??. A grandma who can't see more than 2 feet in front of her is a menace on the road, do you seize her car? No. The Chinese family who has never driven in Canada that paid their family friend under the table to provide licenses for the family is a menace on the road, do you seize there vehicle? No, you don't even re-test them to see if they actually know the rules of the road. I would rather be blocked by 2 cars on the road and slowed down to let them race then have to follow 2 chinese people on the highway doing 30 under the speed limit stomping on the brakes every exit they see because they have no fucking idea where the hell they are going.

Sue the police/government impossible? Dude what rock have you been hiding under. Sure it hasn't been in the news, but it sure does happen on a daily basis and is kept quiet for a reason. Wake up, the government is a fucking scam, the police are crooked, and your in for a world of hurt if you actually think they are around to help you out and hold your hand.

[gqmw]

Originally posted by mr2mike
Doesn't graduated licensing have a HP restriction or a "sports car" restriction?
I never had a graduated license so I never paid too much attention to it but isn't there something like that in the law?

No...why would it?

[googe]

Haha, is there *anyone* on this forum that has NEVER gone 50 over? By definition, according to some people, none of us deserve our cars.

[Gibson]

Originally posted by AllGoNoShow


You probably also think that the Subway store owner can have your vehicle towed away from the front of his store and impounded, which is also theft and the store owner and tow truck driver can be charged with theft, possession of stolen goods and conspiracy to commit a crime. This is no different except someone has passed a "law' making it "right" for an "officer" to take your vehicle away from you when they have no authority/permission to do so, and it sure as hell isn't legal.

I don't get it. What you're saying is I can park my car on your front lawn and you can't tow it away because it's my car? Wtf are you on?

[Zephyr]

I need to be adopted by their parents.

[-relk-]

Originally posted by googe
Haha, is there *anyone* on this forum that has NEVER gone 50 over? By definition, according to some people, none of us deserve our cars.

:werd:

This is a car enthusiast forum. Those that take pride in their cars, will most likely not always obey the speed limit.

With that being said, there is a different between driving fast on an open road, and street racing on a street populated by cars...

[gyu]

Originally posted by Chantastic


Yea I'm saying it really didn't sound that bad except for the blocking of traffic part, only because that one website said it was highway and they slowed things down to 50. If this isn't the case and it is indeed a 60 limit, well, then it sounds like a typical beyond cruise. Lots of people called cops on the big cruise last year as soon as we left Deerfoot mall. No one was racing or exceptionally speeding right there, but when you get alot of enthusiast cars together, exotic or not, people get scared. People think it's some kind of gang.

edit: and then you throw fancy cars, teenagers, and 'N' licenses in the mix, and it's even worse.
:werd:

[gyu]

Originally posted by Proyecto2000
I heard on Global this morning that the drivers are going to fight the $196 tickets in court :facepalm:
They're obviously doing it for the principle, that's probably gas money for them.

[AndyL]

Originally posted by Machi
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/1599/5340388.jpg

Crazy fucker with an eagle claw... Bet some shorts were messed while loading that...

I know I've got to go after these from the rear, too much carbon too close up front...

:thumbsup:

[Machi]

List of the vehicles impounded:

2007 Ferrari 599
2009 Lamborghini Gallardo
2010 Lamborghini Gallardo
2010 Lamborghini Gallardo
2009 Audi R8
2010 Nissan GT-R
2010 Nissan GT-R
2012 Nissan GT-R
2010 Maserati Turismo
2010 Maserati Turismo
2011 Mercedes SL63
2011 Mercedes SLS
2005 Aston Martin DB9

[dino_martini]

If their HK parents are so loaded, couldn't they of bought them some track time? I admit I am a tad jealous, who wouldn't want to be rolling in a Lamborghini :burnout:

[AndyL]

Originally posted by dino_martini
If their HK parents are so loaded, couldn't they of bought them some track time? I admit I am a tad jealous, who wouldn't want to be rolling in a Lamborghini :burnout:
I'd rather be rolling in the SLS but that's just me :drool:

[Team_Mclaren]

Originally posted by dino_martini
If their HK parents are so loaded, couldn't they of bought them some track time? I admit I am a tad jealous, who wouldn't want to be rolling in a Lamborghini :burnout:

which track has a tunnel?! :poosie: :rofl: :rofl:

[bastardchild]

What is competely dumb is that they siezed all cars and not all were "racing". They have way too much authority in BC especially when none of them were actually busted for racing, it was just a witness.

[unknownsleeper]

Originally posted by bastardchild
What is competely dumb is that they siezed all cars and not all were "racing". They have way too much authority in BC especially when none of them were actually busted for racing, it was just a witness.

So your telling me that if your friends aswell as yourself were all rolling in lambo's,rarri's,and benz's, and they decided to start hauling ass and you were a part of there group,you would stick to the speed limit and obey the law?

if you answer yes to that.....you sir are a liar.
Im sure they were all hauling ass.This is a car forum,everyone on here has a passion for vehicals,im sure every one of us would give it balls.And if you still say that you would have stuck to the speed limit....well you obviastly dont drive anything luxury or high end....so take your Lebaron convertible else where.

Now as to the original story,they should get fined and pay the price for what they have done.We all have to pay tickets that we deserve and recieve so they should aswell.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by unknownsleeper


So your telling me that if your friends aswell as yourself were all rolling in lambo's,rarri's,and benz's, and they decided to start hauling ass and you were a part of there group,you would stick to the speed limit and obey the law?

if you answer yes to that.....you sir are a liar.
Im sure they were all hauling ass.This is a car forum,everyone on here has a passion for vehicals,im sure every one of us would give it balls.And if you still say that you would have stuck to the speed limit....well you obviastly dont drive anything luxury or high end....so take your Lebaron convertible else where.

Now as to the original story,they should get fined and pay the price for what they have done.We all have to pay tickets that we deserve and recieve so they should aswell.


the young and uneducated... :facepalm:

i personally have been on many cruises with cars capable of well over 260km/h and have the self control to let off the throttle after i near the speed limit and will watch everyone else continue to unknown top speeds. one day you too will grow up... one day

[rage2]

Originally posted by bastardchild
What is competely dumb is that they siezed all cars and not all were "racing". They have way too much authority in BC especially when none of them were actually busted for racing, it was just a witness.
This. I'm surprised they seized based on a witness statement, because we all know how accurate that info is.

I remember borrowing kenny's AMG years ago, passed a few cars in a 90 zone doing 130, and got a registered owners ticket in the mail for going 200 based on a witness statement lol.

[max_boost]

Can the race card be applied here? Just wondering. :rofl:

[leftwing]

Originally posted by max_boost
Can the race card be applied here? Just wondering. :rofl:
clever

[bastardchild]

Originally posted by unknownsleeper


So your telling me that if your friends aswell as yourself were all rolling in lambo's,rarri's,and benz's, and they decided to start hauling ass and you were a part of there group,you would stick to the speed limit and obey the law?

if you answer yes to that.....you sir are a liar.
Im sure they were all hauling ass.This is a car forum,everyone on here has a passion for vehicals,im sure every one of us would give it balls.And if you still say that you would have stuck to the speed limit....well you obviastly dont drive anything luxury or high end....so take your Lebaron convertible else where.

Now as to the original story,they should get fined and pay the price for what they have done.We all have to pay tickets that we deserve and recieve so they should aswell.

You make no sense at all.

If I'm rolling in my Ferrari and a shitload of other exotics just appear in my rear view mirror then speed by... Why the fuck should I have my car impounded? Is it alright to assume that I was speeding too? Witness statements are crap, just as rage stated. People yell at me for speeding in playground zones when I'm actually going the 30 limit. They assume I'm giving it because I'm young and my car is loud as hell. If they filed a witness statement, should I be ticketed for speeding?

[J-hop]

Originally posted by AllGoNoShow


If you enjoy the government/police abusing their power and seizing your personal property then so be it. But it is called PERSONAL property for a reason. The government/police do not OWN my personal possessions, they are rightfully mine. So how do they have the power to take MY personal property away without my consent? That is 100% theft. Whether or not there is a law in place that allows them to take my personal property, it is theft. The law does not make it right, just allows them to do it. One day they will be sued and it will be corrected, I wish I had the cash to do it right now.



what about the fact that you are using your car on public roads and endangering the public with your actions? you are kind of acting like you are a sovereign nation and that seizing your vehicle is a direct act of aggression against you as a sovereign nation.

YOU made the choice to live in canada, YOU chose to participate in our society. What does this participation mean? it means you don't get to do whatever the hell you want without repercussion.

although all the hate seems to be directed towards the gov't you seem to forget these laws are essentially made by society to protect society. If you think this isn't true, go down to the mall and survey a random group of 100 or so people and ask them if they think its right that the gov't can seize peoples cars for street racing and I can guarantee you 90+ people will agree with it. Why? Because the majority of society realizes how effing stupid street racing is.

do you think its also wrong when cops dump out toolbags' alcohol who are drinking in public? because that is their property not the police's?

But anyways you seem like a smart person so you shouldn't have anything to worry about. Don't be a shithead and you won't get treated like one, simple as that.


Originally posted by bastardchild
What is competely dumb is that they siezed all cars and not all were "racing". They have way too much authority in BC especially when none of them were actually busted for racing, it was just a witness.

similar is done in alberta, remember the lame azz timmy's "races"? spectators got tickets too because you are still participating. If your buddies break into a house and you happen to be with them but chose not to partake you will be charged as well if caught.

[Toma]

God these kind of things piss me off.

So they may have been speeding. Big fucking deal.

No one was hurt, move the fuck on.

And FUCK ALL YOU Big Brother Supporters. :poosie:

[AllGoNoShow]

Originally posted by J-hop

what about the fact that you are using your car on public roads and endangering the public with your actions? you are kind of acting like you are a sovereign nation and that seizing your vehicle is a direct act of aggression against you as a sovereign nation.

YOU made the choice to live in canada, YOU chose to participate in our society. What does this participation mean? it means you don't get to do whatever the hell you want without repercussion.

although all the hate seems to be directed towards the gov't you seem to forget these laws are essentially made by society to protect society. If you think this isn't true, go down to the mall and survey a random group of 100 or so people and ask them if they think its right that the gov't can seize peoples cars for street racing and I can guarantee you 90+ people will agree with it. Why? Because the majority of society realizes how effing stupid street racing is.

do you think its also wrong when cops dump out toolbags' alcohol who are drinking in public? because that is their property not the police's?

But anyways you seem like a smart person so you shouldn't have anything to worry about. Don't be a shithead and you won't get treated like one, simple as that.



similar is done in alberta, remember the lame azz timmy's "races"? spectators got tickets too because you are still participating. If your buddies break into a house and you happen to be with them but chose not to partake you will be charged as well if caught.

Public roads, yes you said it correctly. Not lawmaker's roads and not government roads, tax payer's & Canadian citizen's roads. Why does one group of law makers get to decide the outcome behind closed doors? Did they bother to hold a vote like you suggested on the issue?

My family has been in Canada for quite a long time thank you very much.

You seem to be forgetting you could also walk down to the local rack track, car show, show & shine and find 2000+ people that WOULD vote against it because they know it would be abused against their vehicles in instances where it never happened and a "witness" reports it. Half the people in your mall can't even vote and the other 30% wouldn't show up to vote against the subject.

[tech1]

**EDIT**


Originally posted by J-hop

what about the fact that you are using your car on public roads and endangering the public with your actions? you are kind of acting like YOU are a sovereign nation and that seizing your vehicle is a direct act of aggression against YOU as a sovereign nation.

YOU made the choice to live in canada, YOU chose to participate in our society. What does this participation mean? it means YOUdon't get to do whatever the hell you want without repercussion.

although all the hate seems to be directed towards the gov't YOU seem to forget these laws are essentially made by society to protect society. If YOU think this isn't true, go down to the mall and survey a random group of 100 or so people and ask them if they think its right that the gov't can seize peoples cars for street racing and I can guarantee you 90+ people will agree with it. Why? Because the majority of society realizes how effing stupid street racing is.

do you think its also wrong when cops dump out toolbags' alcohol who are drinking in public? because that is their property not the police's?

But anyways you seem like a smart person so you shouldn't have anything to worry about. Don't be a shithead and you won't get treated like one, simple as that.



similar is done in alberta, remember the lame azz timmy's "races"? spectators got tickets too because you are still participating. If your buddies break into a house and you happen to be with them but chose not to partake you will be charged as well if caught.

[AllGoNoShow]

Originally posted by tech1
**EDIT**



Bang on ;)

[J-hop]

Originally posted by AllGoNoShow


My family has been in Canada for quite a long time thank you very much.


sorry, that comment had nothing to do with immigration etc. My family is 3rd gen canadian, but I, as a self sufficient adult made the decision to remain in canada, thus I made the decision to participate in canadian society which means obeying the laws we have set forth


Originally posted by AllGoNoShow



You seem to be forgetting you could also walk down to the local rack track, car show, show & shine and find 2000+ people that WOULD vote against it because they know it would be abused against their vehicles in instances where it never happened and a "witness" reports it. Half the people in your mall can't even vote and the other 30% wouldn't show up to vote against the subject.

:confused: :confused: , ok maybe you don't understand how survey's work, going to a car show/race track and asking people if they believe the gov't has the right to take their vehicle from them if they street race is like trying to find out what society's view on legalizing pot is and surveying customers at a hemporium. You can't ask someone that treats their car as a living being if they believe the government should have the right to take it away because they'll have a completely bias view.

A mall would be a much better place to get a feel for how society feels about street racers than a car show.

heck poll the entire population of calgary and i'd bet you'd see 90% agreeing with the gov'ts power to seize street racer's vehicles. and why is this again? because the vast majority of society doesn't want to be put in harms way by shitheads that streetrace.

[Chantastic]

Originally posted by rage2

This. I'm surprised they seized based on a witness statement, because we all know how accurate that info is.

I remember borrowing kenny's AMG years ago, passed a few cars in a 90 zone doing 130, and got a registered owners ticket in the mail for going 200 based on a witness statement lol.

I assume you fought it? Do tell more!

[Z_Fan]

I want to make new threads for this...so this is posted like at least a dozen times.

[albertm7]

Originally posted by AllGoNoShow


Public roads, yes you said it correctly. Not lawmaker's roads and not government roads, tax payer's & Canadian citizen's roads. Why does one group of law makers get to decide the outcome behind closed doors? Did they bother to hold a vote like you suggested on the issue?

My family has been in Canada for quite a long time thank you very much.

You seem to be forgetting you could also walk down to the local rack track, car show, show & shine and find 2000+ people that WOULD vote against it because they know it would be abused against their vehicles in instances where it never happened and a "witness" reports it. Half the people in your mall can't even vote and the other 30% wouldn't show up to vote against the subject.

Why does one group of law makers get to decide the outcome behind closed doors?

First of all, the information is there if you decide to look for it. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.

Second, it's because you gave them the power to make those decisions. Whether you think it's wrong or right, fair or unfair, that is the most efficient way of dealing with such issues. We've already seen what happens when a vote is required to deal with EVERYTHING, it's inefficient, it's ineffective and people lose interest. Hell, people lose interest when it's just once every 4 years. So please stop your qq about how the government is corrupt, blah blah blah, unless you have a better method of running the country.

Oh and btw, if you think the government is corrupt and we are better off without them, maybe you should think of all the things they have done for the people.
1. When you turn on the tap to drink water, turn on the heat/AC, go to the gas station to fill up, go to school/work, etc... the government has provided the infrastructure for that to be possible. Whether or not you paid for it, they did the work for that to happen.
2. Childhood vaccinations, I think everyone can agree that a lot of childhood deaths are avoided in the modern era because of childhood vaccinations against certain, very aggressive diseases. And this is backed by scientific consensus.
Very specific examples, but I thought I needed to be in your case

If you don't like what the Canadian government or any other government is doing, what are you doing here? You seem to voice your opinions very strongly, why don't you back them up? Go live in unclaimed lands. Perhaps some island in the pacific may I suggest? Maybe you can tell us how it's like to live without the government.

[ddduke]

Originally posted by J-hop


similar is done in alberta, remember the lame azz timmy's "races"? spectators got tickets too because you are still participating. If your buddies break into a house and you happen to be with them but chose not to partake you will be charged as well if caught.

Awful argument.

If one of your friends commits murder and you're standing right next to him will you be charged? nooooo

Unless they were caught red handed then they should be free to go with no problems, witness statements are pure bullshit and the whole guilty by association doesn't always work.

[max_boost]

Holy shit J-Hop you are a moron man. Time for a Beyond vote. We should be able to vote on who should be banned, majority rules right? lol

[J-hop]

Originally posted by ddduke


Awful argument.

If one of your friends commits murder and you're standing right next to him will you be charged? nooooo

Unless they were caught red handed then they should be free to go with no problems, witness statements are pure bullshit and the whole guilty by association doesn't always work.

awful argument? for 1 yes it is a fact that people in calgary have gotten tickets for spectating at street races. second yes if you are with your friends and they break into a house you'll likely get charged as an accomplice if your group gets caught.

i was not addressing the fact that this particular case was all based on witness statements. Rather i was addressing the fact that if you are out with a group street racing but you are just spectating you do deserve to have your car towed as well.

you guys are acting like this would actually effect you somehow, I seriously hope you aren't ever that stupid...

[Maybelater]

Originally posted by ddduke


Awful argument.

If one of your friends commits murder and you're standing right next to him will you be charged? nooooo

Unless they were caught red handed then they should be free to go with no problems, witness statements are pure bullshit and the whole guilty by association doesn't always work.

Um sorry, but if witness someone you comitting murder and you do not report at the very least you're an accomplice to muder and many nations you're put on trial as the murder too.

[m10-power]

This is complete crap, a bunch of my friends were driving in and around Calgary in their exotics. Maybe 5 cars, all drivers over 40. They passed some old guy doing 10 below the speed limit at probably 10 above the speed limit. Their cars are all loud and they like to be in too low a gear to hear them. Old guy called the cops and about 15 mins later they got road blocked and 5-6 police cars pulled them over. Never witnessed a thing but they all got reckless driving pink tickets, cop even said it was based on a citizen witness only. So they ended up paying a bunch of money to a lawyer to get it tossed out. Complete BS and way too much 'power' to the police, and a waste of resources.

This case in BC is ridiculous, seizing property based on something that allegedly happened? Even the cops now say they have zero evidence, I'm sure all charges will be dropped, complete waste of everyones time to get a news headline. They should all get together and sue the RCMP.

People are f'n pathetic to call shit in like this, jealousy of some younger people in fancy cars, I'm sure if it was a bunch of minivans no one would have cared. Scary place BC, never going to see any of my vacation money.

[effingidiot]

Police impound two sports cars


By Medha, Vancouver Sun September 3, 2011


West Vancouver police seized two high-end cars from teenage drivers who were street racing Friday morning on Cypress Bowl Road.

The incident comes on the heels of Wednesday's streetracing episode in which a convoy of youth in 13 highpowered sports cars were seen on Highway 99 driving at speeds in excess of 200 km/h. Although their luxury rides were impounded, police said Friday the drivers will face just a charge of driving without consideration of others because of a lack of evidence of more serious offences. The offence carries a fine of $196.

In Friday's incident on Cypress, a BMW and a Porsche were recorded travelling at 143 kilometres per hour in a 60 km/h zone, police said in a release.

The driver of the BMW sped past police, while the Porsche pulled a U-turn and fled in the opposite direction.

The Porsche was later found at a nearby school, while the BMW was located in a ditch.

It had crashed and sustained approximately $15,000 in damage. The two vehicles have been impounded while the 17-year-old drivers have been hit with 15-day driving prohibitions. They have also been charged with excessive speeding and failing to stop for police.


:facepalm:

[dirtsniffer]

Anyways +1 on banning jhop

[ddduke]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
Anyways +1 on banning jhop

+2

[Nakadah]

It is really surprising how fast the police reacts when it comes to someone driving with 10-15km over the speed limit compared to when I reported an assault over a young girl in 3:30-4:00 in the morning and it took them around 30 minutes to arrive when I know that there was at least 1 police car in the area as I know where they stay with the radar and I had passed them not even 3 minutes before to call 911. That was the first and the last time that I have/will ever call 911. For me Police= Revenue Agency as IMO all the police cares about is people not driving faster than the speed limit allows.

If I could afford to be rolling in one of these cars then I would definitely hire a good lawyer and make a big drama out of all this.

J-Hop, your arguments are BS!

[Power_Of_Rotary]

Towing their cars based on witness statements is total crap. But than 18 year olds driving $200 000 cars is more crap lol.. maybe the police is jealous like us?

[guessboi]

How did I miss this thread. lol.

Mainland chinese for sure. probably not HK.

[unknownsleeper]

all just more reasons to keep public race tracks open, and maybe it will open a few eyes and point us in the direction of where our vehicles and our lead foot's belong, myself included, dont bash just saying it opened my eyes

[Sugarphreak]

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[Mibz]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Sounds like they were trying to re-create a scene from Fast & Furious or something.

Stupid kids, if you can afford a 200K sports car... you can afford to take it to the track. Better yet, get a real sports car. It just wouldn't be a Sugarphreak post without a pretentious provoking jab at the internet.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Mibz]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


I've been away for a while, figured I needed a good jab to get back into it ;) Haha, I now wish I hadn't called you out on it so we'd actually see some reactions.

[revelations]

I'm both sides of the fence with this one.


a) the drivers were complete IDIOTS for doing this in broad day light on one of the busiest corridors in Vancouver.

Typical FOB mentality - I dont care about anyone else. I saw this all the time for the 13 years I lived in Richmond/Burnaby/Vancouver.

Vancouver has a loooong history of street races and deaths - including death of a Richmond mountie a few years ago so the sudden knee-jerk reaction by the public and the police is not surprising.



HOWEVER

b) their cars should have NOT been impounded until they have been found quilty of street racing OR were witnessed by actual police members.

Civilians have to go to court to present their arguments in these cases.

[revelations]

Originally posted by Nakadah
It is really surprising how fast the police reacts when it comes to someone driving with 10-15km over the speed limit compared to when I reported an assault over a young girl in 3:30-4:00 in the morning and it took them around 30 minutes to arrive when I know that there was at least 1 police car in the area as I know where they stay with the radar and I had passed them not even 3 minutes before to call 911. That was the first and the last time that I have/will ever call 911. For me Police= Revenue Agency as IMO all the police cares about is people not driving faster than the speed limit allows.

If I could afford to be rolling in one of these cars then I would definitely hire a good lawyer and make a big drama out of all this.

J-Hop, your arguments are BS!

Sir, you dont have a clue how the police work.

Just because they are sitting in a cruiser at 3am does not mean they are checking for speeders. Could be a multitude of different things going on. No way to be sure.
That particular car you saw might have been sent to a call elsewhere in the 3 minutes it took you to make the 911.

Calls stack up during nights so dont expect a rapid response at 3am on a Friday night for example unless her life was in danger.

The traffic boys you see with the lidar traps are the ones who care ONLY about revenue. There are something like 24 members in the entire city.

[Maxt]

Update:
http://www.calgaryherald.com/cars/seize+million+convoy+luxury+cars+used+street+racing/5373198/story.html

[bart]

crap now the price of chinese food is gonna go up in hongcouver

[m10-power]

Originally posted by Maxt
Update:
http://www.calgaryherald.com/cars/seize+million+convoy+luxury+cars+used+street+racing/5373198/story.html

What a crock of shit, BC is communist. I hope this finally gets challenged higher up the court system. Herald missed a ton of 'alleged' in this article. No criminal charges but we are going after the property, scary.

[Tomaz]

Originally posted by m10-power


What a crock of shit, BC is communist. I hope this finally gets challenged higher up the court system. Herald missed a ton of 'alleged' in this article. No criminal charges but we are going after the property, scary.

Straight up.

BC communist enforcers will need evidence to take this any further than they already have. Unless proven in court, these kids SHOULD get the following charges (excuse my lack of knowledge when naming the laws):

-Driving over posted speed limit
-Disobey traffic signal

Anything past that will require more than "witness statements" as not one of those witnesses had a radar or lidar system to actually record the speed at which the vehicles were traveling.

Fuck these pigs. Don't make excuses to penalize citizens. Charge them with what can be proven and move on. I have a huge hate on police when they try shit like this.

[kenny]

They need to auction these off to pay back the Federal Government. :rofl:

[Type_S1]

That would be a fun auction to attend!