New message from anonymous!

[light_em_up]

Anyone else follow this group? This group dubbed "anonymous" is a vigilante group set in their ways to stand up to the government and provide REAL justice to the large companies that were untouchable and "make the rules". They dont believe the government has the rights to censor the internet. They have hacked child pornography websites, posting the info off all people who logged into the site on there forums for the world to see these perverts. They have hacked and shut down government websites, and this is only the beginning. These are the 21'st century freedom fighters! Even if you dont agree with them, post and tell me why!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP9q61Fjlqo&feature=youtu.be

newest message out yesterday : phase 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czY-dZQsd-k&feature=youtu.be

[Unknown303]

Why do you suck at posting youtube videos??

[light_em_up]

Originally posted by Unknown303
Why do you suck at posting youtube videos??


cuz i fail at everything i do in life? its fixed

[dirtsniffer]

Definitely not fixed

[codetrap]

Anonymous is a bunch of wannabie internet ethugs. So far, they really haven't accomplished anything except generate headlines. Ooo.. DDOSing a government website. Yup, that'll shut down operations... exposing the information of a bunch of pedophiles.. nothing because there's no usable evidence to those guys are still free to just go and create new online IDs..


Slowly but surely, they real players are getting arrested, and put in jail. The rest of the little script kiddies that are using the anonymous name are just a huge joke. Most definitely not freedom fighters. All they are is a name to hide behind to try and lend some degree of legitimacy to the wish for power and control in the minds of a bunch of pimply faced nerds.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by codetrap
Anonymous is a bunch of wannabie internet ethugs. So far, they really haven't accomplished anything except generate headlines. Ooo.. DDOSing a government website. Yup, that'll shut down operations... exposing the information of a bunch of pedophiles.. nothing because there's no usable evidence to those guys are still free to just go and create new online IDs..


Slowly but surely, they real players are getting arrested, and put in jail. The rest of the little script kiddies that are using the anonymous name are just a huge joke.

Yeah if they wanted to have major impact on the world they'd erase all mortgage records from major banks or some crazy wicked robin hood type crap like that. Do something that cripples a major organization while liberating the people. reset peoples line's of credit to zero or something, move money around to the poor, anything like that.

[kvg]

anonymous who?:whocares:

[light_em_up]

U guys have a totally distorted view of what they're trying to accomplish, they're not little kids. And they're not here to harm anyone or fuck anyone over by deleting every mortgage record, what the fuck are u talking about dude? If they did that it would make the situation and our economy TOTALLY crumble which is what they wanna prevent.

Yeah the pedofiles can make a new User ID but they cant erase their names from the database that anonymous made ans is public for the WORLD to see. No proof you say? what about the RECORDED multiple logins to these underage sites? How do u think they found these guys dude??

I agree with alot of what there doing... to an extent.


An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. This could be good. This could be dangerous.

[light_em_up]

Originally posted by kvg
anonymous who?:whocares:

Your obviously young and dont follow the news or world events.... Have you heard of the recession were in? Ok good good... now have you heard of all the protests going on in the states, primarily at wallstreet but not limited too, as there is a protest for this going on in our very own city RIGHT NOW

YOU sir should "give a fuck" because ur perfect little world is about to come crumbling down when reality hits.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by light_em_up
U guys have a totally distorted view of what there trying to accomplish, there not little kids. And there not here to harm anyone or fuck anyone over by deleting every mortgage record, what the fuck are u talking about dude? If they did that it would make the situation and our economy TOTALLY crumble which is what they wanna prevent.

Yeah the pedofiles can make a new User ID but they cant erase there names from the database that anonymous made ans is public for the WORLD to see. No proof you say? what about the RECORDED multiple logins to these underage sites? How do u think they found these guys dude??

I agree with alot of what there doing... to an extent.


An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. This could be good. This could be dangerous.

They're not trying to accomplish anything. There is no goal, no organization, no leader. They're a bunch of anarchists that do whatever the fuck they feel like doing in the internet realm. Sure, they managed to create a database of a few hundred pedo's out there. However, none of that can be used by police because there is no chain of evidence, no proof, no accountability. There is nothing out there to say that this list of peoples is simply not a list of childhood bullies that they wanted to take revenge on.

So, you're all in love with anonymous, yay for you. I still think they're a bunch of cowards hiding behind a mask and a keyboard.

As to the occupy wallstreet wannabe monkeys? They're a total waste of time. A bunch of fucking idealists that don't have a cohesive goal and will accomplish nothing ultimately because nobody in power will take them seriously.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by light_em_up
U guys have a totally distorted view of what there trying to accomplish, there not little kids. And there not here to harm anyone or fuck anyone over by deleting every mortgage record, what the fuck are u talking about dude? If they did that it would make the situation and our economy TOTALLY crumble which is what they wanna prevent.

Yeah the pedofiles can make a new User ID but they cant erase there names from the database that anonymous made ans is public for the WORLD to see. No proof you say? what about the RECORDED multiple logins to these underage sites? How do u think they found these guys dude??

I agree with alot of what there doing... to an extent.


An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. This could be good. This could be dangerous.

It's one thing to out pedophiles but I don't see them coming up with any solutions to the economic crysis. If they want to have big impact they would start picking on large financial institutions creating waves there. Lord knows the banks could probably handle a few mortgages, LOC, or what not dissapearing without the world crumbling at there feet.

How about they make massive donations to homeless shelters or other programs for less fortunate people on rich peoples behalves. They are just hackers really what else can you expect from them. They aren't going to be able to out big banks for anything, everyone know what they do, they just don't stop them.

So they either start just getting up to no good and start impacting the real players that are causing all of these issues or they just go back to playing Starcraft.

[Cos]

These guys are like the occupy wallstreet people in my mind. When they were obscure and only popped up once and a while I didnt mind them. The last cause I didnt mind was the pedophile thing. Since then they have been hitting stuff hard. Stuff that doesnt even make sense. They were going to take down Toronto's website because they were trying to stop the occupation of an area.

To me both groups had a decent point but poor (or non-existent) leadership has really screwed their support and I no longer agree with them. I hope other people or law enforcement agencies agree with me and start cracking skulls.

[light_em_up]

thank you for some real responses! Ive been getting flamed everywhere i post this and im just trying to get opinions not start a war. Im not even pushing it on ppl, i myself am on the fence. They stand for alot of good reasoning i just hope there plan is as foolproof as they say. Oh well phase 1 is apparently now in effect as of yesterday so time will tell i guess.

Ps Them fucking with ANY mortgages banks or loans will be NOT good and they know that. Deleting 100000 mortgages will only make problems worse for our economy and would be totally stupid for them. And then the homeowners learn no lesson and go get more credit cause now they have no mortgage and repeat the cycle. Theyre not dumb.

PSS there not little kids taking a break from starcraft either, These are professional computer hackers. IF they werent. How have they remained so well hidden from the law??? U cant tell me the government cant find a couple kids in there moms basement. They have taken out some BIG sites. sites that would take ALOT of skill to break.

[Unknown303]

Kids aren't the only people who play Starcraft..

Sure maybe erasing people mortgages wouldn't be a good idea. But the things these people are doing doesn't really affect anyone yet, except Pedophiles. They need to create real world impact to give the people they are fighting against reason to start taking them seriously.

[light_em_up]

Originally posted by codetrap




As to the occupy wallstreet wannabe monkeys? They're a total waste of time. A bunch of fucking idealists that don't have a cohesive goal and will accomplish nothing ultimately because nobody in power will take them seriously.



Atleast they have the balls to stand up for what they believe in. So many spineless zombies out there that just go with the flow and thats why the government can push us around so easily.


Your right they wont get anywhere cause not enough ppl will stand up for the cause. Its growing though and you will be surprised. Notice all the protestors downtown calgary today? I did.

[light_em_up]

Originally posted by Unknown303
Kids aren't the only people who play Starcraft..

Sure maybe erasing people mortgages wouldn't be a good idea. But the things these people are doing doesn't really affect anyone yet, except Pedophiles. They need to create real world impact to give the people they are fighting against reason to start taking them seriously.

Like i said, phase 1 activated 14 hours ago so of course u havent seen anything from them yet. We will find out soon i suppose if they are bluffing or not and what there plan is to make this change.

PS for the ppl who think im in love with them and trying to recruit some kind of army, LOL. I just seen this this morning and im in no way trying to persuade ANYONE to believe what they say. You guys just have a bunch of facts twisted so im trying to explain.

[Shlade]

Cliff notes anyone?

Who is anonymous on youtube? What are they about? and whats this thread about

I have no desire to listen to a 13 min video

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by Shlade
Cliff notes anyone?

Who is anonymous on youtube? What are they about? and whats this thread about

I have no desire to listen to a 13 min video

They have the text from the video below it. Just click "more" under the video and read what they talk about.

They are an interesting group and I'm definitely interested in what they may achieve out of all of this. But I can't really support them all that much until I can see what route they are looking at taking here.

[spikerS]

meh, i lend little credence to Anon. I can't take any of them seriously. Ok, they perform a DDOS every so often. I will clap once for that, and then stop. Really, a couple hours or at worst, days later, the web site is back up with better security. All they are doing is showing companies they have vulnerable systems, which then to go in and beef it up.

I have more respect for the "pot crusader" Mark Emery. While I pretty much oppose his cause 100%, I at least have respect for him, and fighting it in public, and not hiding behind a name.

As for Anon, anyone can claim to be a part of it, and release something on youtube or whatever. ohh, you bounce shit off of servers or whatever all over the world! right on, that takes some skill. But in the grand scheme of things, they are an annoying mosquito. It gets slapped, the target puts on some bug repellant, and continues on doing whatever the target was doing.

Really, if they wanted to stop those Pedos, the people responsible would come forward, show the appropriate authorities how they did it, turn over the evidence, and then testify in court. By not doing that, at best all they have done is put these pedos on the radar, but most likely, nothing will happen to the vast majority of them. By not doing that, all they are is a bunch of pimply faced code monkeys that want to feel some power by hacking. ohhhh, scary!

[light_em_up]

Originally posted by Shlade
Cliff notes anyone?

I have no desire to listen to a 13 min video

THIS my friends is why humanity is failing. There is growing concern for our entire world and this guy doesnt have 10 mins to read up and see what its about??

If u dont wanna "waste" your time on matters affecting everyone of us (eventually), thats fine but pls stay out of the convo.

[Hakkola]

Wiki list of what they've done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_events_involving_Anonymous

I generally like anon, they've done some good, but they've also done some shitty things, but that's to be expected when you don't have real leadership.

I like what they did during the Egyptian revolution and project chanology etc.

[light_em_up]

Originally posted by Hakkola
Wiki list of what they've done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_events_involving_Anonymous

I generally like anon, they've done some good, but they've also done some shitty things, but that's to be expected when you don't have real leadership.

I like what they did during the Egyptian revolution and project chanology etc.

thanks for replying with some actual knowledge on the subject, half the people flaming me havent even heard of anonymous they just wanna start fights cause they have nothing better to do. They have actually done alot and their efforts have jailed several criminals

[spikerS]

Originally posted by light_em_up


thanks for replying with some actual knowledge on the subject, half the people flaming me havent even heard of anonymous they just wanna start fights cause they have nothing better to do. They have actually done alot and their efforts have jailed several criminals

it is becoming painfully clear if someone doesn't automatically agree with you, you ignore them, and / or just troublemakers.

you too have lost credibility in my opinion.

isn't there something better you could do to try and get an ego boost?

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by spikers


it is becoming painfully clear if someone doesn't automatically agree with you, you ignore them, and / or just troublemakers.

you too have lost credibility in my opinion.

isn't there something better you could do to try and get an ego boost?

Yeah that's starting to become quite apparently with his posts...

[kvg]

Originally posted by light_em_up


Your obviously young and dont follow the news or world events.... Have you heard of the recession were in? Ok good good... now have you heard of all the protests going on in the states, primarily at wallstreet but not limited too, as there is a protest for this going on in our very own city RIGHT NOW

YOU sir should "give a fuck" because ur perfect little world is about to come crumbling down when reality hits.

Hey random newbie I'm no kid, oh and you mean the recession that has caused me to make more money every year to provide for my family.

PS get a job.

[light_em_up]

Im only correcting people posting false info about them, im not talking to these people as i dont care what they have to say if there just gonna be idiots. Dont agree with me, thats cool. But ill still correct you if your wrong. Got a job thanks, and the recession hasnt hurt me either but dont u feel SOME fucking compassion for the millions it HAS affected
??? Congrats on your success douchebag

and how is this gonna get me an ego boost? lol.

If i wanted an ego boost id go rent some 99$ hooker. Much less painful then listening to you guys that dont know what ur talking about, even if i get HIV.

[kvg]

I have a problem people who hide behind a keyboard and try to cause something or talk shit. I have met tons of people on here and you wanna meet me and you still think I'm a "Douchebag" and wanna call me that in person send me a pm and we can meet up.

[light_em_up]

No need to meet, your lack of compassion towards any of this and the millions of ppl suffering proves to me that you are a selfish person. Im not causing anything, you chose to come to this thread and spew out how u make so much money even in the recession and u dont give a fuck about others. That is, IN MY OPINION, a very douchey thing to do.


So if YOU need the ego boost by threatening me over the internet which you JUST SAID u dont like, then i feel sorry for you.


A note to everyone reading, Im not here to start shit. OK? I want legitimate opinions about the group.. Dont got one? then i dont wanna hear it, I dont care if u flame the shit out of them as long as all your reasons are valid and not just cause u "dont give a fuck"

[light_em_up]

dbl post sry

[Hi-Psi]

I don't mind Anon but you sir annoy the absolute crap out of me. Go away...

[light_em_up]

ill stay thanks :)

[kvg]

Originally posted by light_em_up
No need to meet, your lack of compassion towards any of this and the millions of ppl suffering proves to me that you are a selfish person. Im not causing anything, you chose to come to this thread and spew out how u make so much money even in the recession and u dont give a fuck about others. That is, IN MY OPINION, a very douchey thing to do.


So if YOU need the ego boost by threatening me over the internet which you JUST SAID u dont like, then i feel sorry for you.


A note to everyone reading, Im not here to start shit. OK? I want legitimate opinions about the group.. Dont got one? then i dont wanna hear it, I dont care if u flame the shit out of them as long as all your reasons are valid and not just cause u "dont give a fuck"

You decided to attack me on a personal level after I posted on your thread topic, so you are trying start shit, also you need to read better I never threatened you once nor did I imply it. Judging by you actions you are just another keyboard warrior that chosen to stay "anonymous"

[Tik-Tok]

light_em_up is either bi-polar, or is getting our forum confused with the "multiple others" he's praising Anon in. You keep saying you're "correcting" us, but no one has said anything that can be proved different? :dunno:

Please list the errors in the conversation.

[light_em_up]

what is your intentions of meeting in person then? Ill call u a douche and we leave? I doubt it goes like that. That was you blatantly saying "come say it to my face so i can kick your ass"


Never attacked you, simply asked ( ok it was asked kind of in a cocky way ) if you were aware of the problems were facing. I DID make an assumption u were young, thats all. By saying your world is gonna come crumbling down, that was assuming u didnt know about these issues. No threats to you.

tik tok, your list! And btw, im not bi polar nor am i getting confused with a different forum. I did post this on ONE other forum and im actually getting some real replies both in favor and against ANON, which is great.

"Anonymous is a bunch of wannabie internet ethugs"

false statement but i guess this could be taken as an opinion

"They're not trying to accomplish anything. There is no goal, no organization, no leader"

while there is no leader true, there is obviously an organization, there IS a plan which is explained if u actually watch the vids. They are obviously trying to accomplish something... or why would they be so passionate about their cause ? Out of boredom? lol yeah thats it.

"However, none of that can be used by police because there is no chain of evidence, no proof, no accountability"

Their efforts have led to MULTIPLE arrests.

Past this u guys are just posting crap to try and flame me.

this thread was made for some legitimate replies, so far ive got 2 or 3. Thank you for that.


PS . Im not sure how you have come to the conclusion im praising them and im some activist trying to convert you guys. I did say i beleive some of their work has been good, i also said some had been bad. I even made a statement saying "an eye for an eye leaves the world blind" and saying it could be good and bad.

IM NOT PROMOTING THEM OR TRYING TO INSTIL MY THOUGHTS ON YOU

[wtf im nameless]

I don't think them being "a bunch of wannabie internet ethugs" is a false statement at all, I think you thinking they're anything more than that is the opinion.

They started out trying to do a few good things, now they just seem like a bunch of cry baby ethugs.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by light_em_up
Their efforts have led to MULTIPLE arrests.


There's only been one documented arrest of a Pedophile that is related to information exposed by anon. Although I can only trust Wikipedia so much it's the only information that I can actually find regarding arrests and anonymous.

And absolutely everything in this thread so far has been opinions. Unless you're actually part of anonymous there is absolutely no way to confirm any of the information you find about them online.


Originally posted by wtf im nameless
I don't think them being "a bunch of wannabie internet ethugs" is a false statement at all, I think you thinking they're anything more than that is the opinion.

They started out trying to do a few good things, now they just seem like a bunch of cry baby ethugs.

exactly, this group exposed a bunch of Pedophiles, this is good, but the rest of the time they pretty much perform DDoS attacks on sites :dunno: does this really actually effect anyone at all? I'm still waiting for them to step up and do something that is noteworthy in every day to day life. Expose corrupt CEO's of major banks, get some of those guys in jail or something. But considering what they are doing now it's really just a bunch of messing around without any solid goals. But like I said, I'm waiting.

[light_em_up]

its neither false nor true thats an opinion. Thank you to the original poster of that for expressing your OPINION.

I disagreed with it because i dont believe they are so called "wannabe ethugs".( my opinion just from seeing the things they have accomplished, they are obviously not wannabes these guys have proven they can do what they say they will)

"There's only been one documented arrest of a Pedophile that is related to information exposed by anon".

True they have only jailed 1 PEDOPHILE, notice i said criminals.

[wtf im nameless]

:dunno: Going after pedophiles and drug cartels? Fine by me. Now that they're all pro OWS and half the other BS they've done lately I've lost most of the respect for them I once had.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by light_em_up
its neither false nor true thats an opinion. Thank you to the original poster of that for expressing your OPINION.

I disagreed with it because i dont believe they are so called "wannabe ethugs".( my opinion just from seeing the things they have accomplished, they are obviously not wannabes these guys have proven they can do what they say they will)

"There's only been one documented arrest of a Pedophile that is related to information exposed by anon".

True they have only jailed 1 PEDOPHILE, notice i said criminals.

I really meant to say that it's the only documented arrest of any kind I could find that was through anonymous

[light_em_up]

unknown, thanks for that.
They HAVE done alot more than just busting a pedophile... google Project Chanology or check out what they have done to help Iran when all the political shit was going on.

Not to mention their daily fight to keep the government from censoring everything on the net.

Also i remember sony trying to buy IP's (could of been yours) from a company and when ANON found out they shut down sony sites as a warning.


They did obtain files from the bank of american as well showing "corruption and fraud" due to improper home forclosers. Nothing has come of it since tho.

EDIT, Like you, i will now wait. They are organized and supposedly have a 3 phase plan to carry out and phase 1 started yesterday i guess. So time will tell.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by light_em_up
unknown, thanks for that.
They HAVE done alot more than just busting a pedophile... google Project Chanology or check out what they have done to help Iran when all the political shit was going on.

Not to mention their daily fight to keep the government from censoring everything on the net.

Also i remember sony trying to buy IP's (could of been yours) from a company and when ANON found out they shut down sony sites as a warning.

They did obtain files from the bank of american as well showing "corruption and fraud" due to improper home forclosers. Nothing has come of it since tho.

Ever since you posted this thread I've actually been spending a lot of time reading over whatever I can find on anonymous, very interesting group of people but for the most part they have been hosting sites / providing information for countries in the middle east and places that try to censor information, and performing DDoS attacks of varous servers for various causes, which to date doesn't appear to have had any major effects of these companies other than them maybe tightening their security.

I think if they could start exposing corruption on a larger scale in the states people would really start to notice their efforts a lot more. But DDoS attacks really don't do a whole lot to anyone in my opinion of course ;)

[light_em_up]

Originally posted by wtf im nameless
:dunno: Going after pedophiles and drug cartels? Fine by me. Now that they're all pro OWS and half the other BS they've done lately I've lost most of the respect for them I once had.

Thanks for your reply, i guess its just a matter of what is important to you as a human being. They have done alot since the original pedophile stuff, maybe it just doesnt appeal to you because your not passionate about what they were trying to accomplish. For instance, the Iran voting fraud incident, u prob dont care but im sure alot of ppl in iran are thanking them.


Originally posted by Unknown303


I think if they could start exposing corruption on a larger scale in the states people would really start to notice their efforts a lot more. But DDoS attacks really don't do a whole lot to anyone in my opinion of course ;)

Gotta start somewhere i guess. Ddos attacks today... ????? tomorrow

[kvg]

So you are supporting attacks,spying, etc without any legal limits and then doing what ever they think is right? In your original post you asked for peoples opinions then you have attacked them if it conflicts with yours, it sure doesn't sound like you care about anyones freedom, I sure hope that isn't how this "anonymous" thing is run

[light_em_up]

Im not sure how many times i need to write this.. Lemme try something new here.....


I DO NOT ADVOCATE NOR DO I ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO BELIEVE ANY OF THIS. I DO NOT STAND UP FOR EVERYTHING THEY BELIEVE IN ONLY SOME ASPECTS WHICH IS MY OWN OPINION ON THE MATTER, I AM NOT ASSOCIATED WITH "ANON" NOR DO I WANT TO BE!


I DO NOT ADVOCATE NOR DO I ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO BELIEVE ANY OF THIS. I DO NOT STAND UP FOR EVERYTHING THEY BELIEVE IN ONLY SOME ASPECTS WHICH IS MY OWN OPINION ON THE MATTER, I AM NOT ASSOCIATED WITH "ANON" NOR DO I WANT TO BE!

Not sure how much clearer i can make that.

I have personally attack no one

I asked for opinions not bullshit comments like "omg stupid lame mask hackers" or "who gives a fuck" like or dislike if u had a valid response thats states what u dont/do like and why then i appreciate your feedback, thank you!

So this is your 4th or 5th post in here, are u ever gonna give me a real reason (other than who the fuck cares) for ur like or dislike of the group? Or are u gonna continue to try and argue with me? Your not posting anything productive just trying to start fights and if i dont get a real response then im done speaking with you. Thank you!

[kvg]

So you aren't going to answer my last question as to your support of their actions? I think a person or group that doesn't believe in their cause and or actions enough to stand behind it publicly obviously knows that their lack respect for rights and laws is wrong and are just truly cowards.

[light_em_up]

for the love of god! Go back in this thread and find me a posting saying " I SUPPORT ANON AND EVERYTHING THEY DO" Ive never said it once, however i continually post that i DO SUPPORT SOME OF THEIR CAUSES (like busting pedophiles and helping third world countries stand up against there government) i am publically standing behind them now for THAT and nothing else. Are u ever gonna answer me? If not GTFO.

[kvg]

I never said you support everything they do, you asked me my opinion I responded with an honest answer. I asked you a question so I can try to understand your point of view and you just side step it. Great thread:facepalm:

Later:closed:

[Sugarphreak]

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[light_em_up]

Originally posted by kvg
I never said you support everything they do, you asked me my opinion I responded with an honest answer. I asked you a question so I can try to understand your point of view and you just side step it. Great thread:facepalm:

Later:closed:

Your honest answer was " who is anonymous" and "i dont give a fuck"?? Pretty weak answer for the question i asked, and u obviously cant read because im not "side stepping" around anything, i just answered you!

"however i continually post that i DO SUPPORT SOME OF THEIR CAUSES (like busting pedophiles and helping third world countries stand up against their government) i am publically standing behind them now for THAT and nothing else"

ur looking like a goof now! Just go.

Sugar, thanks for your comment, I think your spot on with what u said about the real cause being 1 of the 2 things, And with no funding going to anon that leaves a clear view of what the outcome COULD be.

Amnesty Intl. couldnt be a better example of the groups ur talking about too. They do ALOT for human rights but half the population has never heard of them.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Ruggzy_McTuggz]

Originally posted by light_em_up
U guys have a totally distorted view of what there trying to accomplish, there not little kids. And there not here to harm anyone or fuck anyone over by deleting every mortgage record, what the fuck are u talking about dude? If they did that it would make the situation and our economy TOTALLY crumble which is what they wanna prevent.

Yeah the pedofiles can make a new User ID but they cant erase there names from the database that anonymous made ans is public for the WORLD to see. No proof you say? what about the RECORDED multiple logins to these underage sites? How do u think they found these guys dude??

I agree with alot of what there doing... to an extent.


An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. This could be good. This could be dangerous.

Worst usage of there, they're, their I have seen in a long time.

[light_em_up]

Originally posted by Ruggzy_McTuggz


Worst usage of there, they're, their I have seen in a long time.

Why is their're always a grammar Nazi? We all know the difference between there they're their. Where ,wear.. etc etc. I suffer from MS and can be quite scatter brained when im constantly replying the same message so i apologize to you, grammar Nazi, if my spelling and grammar is hurting your eyes.

I Went ahead and changed "there" to "They're" just for your viewing pleasure. Please dont proof read all my posts in this thread as im sure it will take alot of your free time correcting all my grammar mistakes

[codetrap]

Originally posted by light_em_up


thanks for replying with some actual knowledge on the subject, half the people flaming me havent even heard of anonymous they just wanna start fights cause they have nothing better to do. They have actually done alot and their efforts have jailed several criminals

We'll.. you're right about one thing...

Arrests due to Anonymous (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&gbv=2&sa=X&ei=9SbJTvEW7tmIAp7p7QY&ved=0CCEQvwUoAQ&q=anonymous+arrest&spell=1&biw=1280&bih=671)


Originally posted by light_em_up
Also i remember sony trying to buy IP's (could of been yours) from a company and when ANON found out they shut down sony sites as a warning.

They did obtain files from the bank of american as well showing "corruption and fraud" due to improper home forclosers. Nothing has come of it since tho.

EDIT, Like you, i will now wait. They are organized and supposedly have a 3 phase plan to carry out and phase 1 started yesterday i guess. So time will tell.

And sony went ahead and bought them anyways, completely disregarding the "warning" of a bunch of script kiddies.

The bank of america "evidence" could have been completely manufactured. That's why the police didn't action it, because they couldn't verify that some kid didn't simply manufacture it.

As for Project Chanology, here's is the Church of Scientology's Official Response..
"A Toronto, Canada spokesperson for the Church of Scientology said she didn't "give a damn" if the group Anonymous was responsible for disrupting access to the Scientology site.[3] Church spokeswoman Yvette Shank told Sun Media that she thought the Anonymous members were a "pathetic" group of "computer geeks"."

You say they're a force for good, and that they have a plan. How can "they" have a plan whey "they" publicly state that "they" don't have any leaders. It's funny to me how these little cowardly keyboard warriors and Occupy morons seem to have this romantic vision of "We're changing the world!" thinking they're akin to the protests againt the Vietname War or Suffrage or even for Equality. They're sitting there squatting in their tents with grand visions of huge sweeping change, or launching DDOS attacks to take down a website that may have a few thousand visitors a day thinking it's going to incite change.

The reality is that these monkeys simply don't understand that those protests were successful because they had very public and very charismatic LEADERS and a core group of very intelligent people that kept the message FOCUSED. Then they involved MILLIONS of people to their cause by focusing on the students, and the affected people. The single largest Anti-War protest in US History involved 250,000 demonstrating on the steps of Washington with the same, unified message. (Where the change can actually be enacted). This is why OWS & Anonymous will ultimately fail. Misdirected, unfocused, and ultimately irrelevant.

[light_em_up]

I know that nothing will ever come from them doing this unless they organize and do something more serious.

Currently, yes they are just a mosquito buzzing in your ear.

Playstation says they didnt care it happened and it did not have any effect on them.. BULLSHIT

I had no PSN for a month atleast, im sure they lost tons of gamers, not to mention millions in online sales over the course of that month. Not to mention the 20+ techs they had working round the clock to get it back up. Yeah that never did ANYTHING at all. And the ONLY reason that ended so fast was because ANON knew that they were just hurting the games so they stopped attacking and even made an appology to gamers.

The BOA "evidence"... yeah ur totally right. Anyone could have fabricated that. But knowing how CEO's of high up companies roll i believe it was real. Not to mention all the other big bank and insurance scams going on around that time. Too bad you cant prove it.

Chanology: Yeah right they didnt care! Their religion was slandered and stepped on for well over a month, hundreds of thousands of phone callsl, millions of emails crashing servers and shutting down sites for weeks on end.

Just because these big companies SAY that they werent hurt by ANON does not mean its true.

How would it look for playstation if they said "yeah we had a shitty security system that allowed these "kids" to hack our network and disrupt service all over the world. We lost alot of subscribers and really took a hit on the PS store sales...

They would look like fools, of course there gonna say that the attacks did nothing.

And you know what, even if they are just a mosquito in your ear, its better than getting pushed around and letting your government decide what u can or cant look at on the net. Or what a police officer can or cant do.

Have you guys seens the ammount of police brutality in the states? Right now there have been over 100 PEACEFUL protesters that have been maced and arrested for doing nothing more than sitting in public property.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwo5eumXxyA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM


Personally i believe that there is a small group of anon members, probably all very close. They are the ones who started the movement and actually stand for what is right. then there is the hundred of kids that have joined wanting to be a pro haxor and there VERY MUCH giving them a bad name. since there is no way to know "who is who", i cant back that up. Just what i believe.

[RecoilS14]

I support anonymous.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by light_em_up
I know that nothing will ever come from them doing this unless they organize and do something more serious.

Currently, yes they are just a mosquito buzzing in your ear.

Playstation says they didnt care it happened and it did not have any effect on them.. BULLSHIT

I had no PSN for a month atleast, im sure they lost tons of gamers, not to mention millions in online sales over the course of that month. Not to mention the 20+ techs they had working round the clock to get it back up. Yeah that never did ANYTHING at all. And the ONLY reason that ended so fast was because ANON knew that they were just hurting the games so they stopped attacking and even made an appology to gamers.
You really have to get your facts straight. Anonymous didn't hack Sony, in fact, they denied it right left and center. In fact, since anonymous is purported to be freedom fighters, tell me again what an act of theft of userIDs and credit card information would really accomplish to advance the cause of freedom? Far more likely is the probability that it was organized crime. Remember them? They're the guys interested in stealing credits cards, not advancing freedom.


Originally posted by light_em_up

The BOA "evidence"... yeah ur totally right. Anyone could have fabricated that. But knowing how CEO's of high up companies roll i believe it was real. Not to mention all the other big bank and insurance scams going on around that time. Too bad you cant prove it.
Nobody is going to waste real time and dollars investigating the accusations of a bunch of anonymous cowards that aren't willing to stand up and testify in a real court of law. You're right though, I can't prove that it didn't happen, but they can't prove that it did happen, therein lies the problem. It's all imaginary until real evidence is provided and someone will stand up and swear in a court of law to its authenticity.



Originally posted by light_em_up
Chanology: Yeah right they didnt care! Their religion was slandered and stepped on for well over a month, hundreds of thousands of phone callsl, millions of emails crashing servers and shutting down sites for weeks on end.

Just because these big companies SAY that they werent hurt by ANON does not mean its true.
People have been slandering and stepping on Scientology for a very long time now. None of it has affected their bottom line, and that's the only true measurement. As for a couple of websites that were unavailable? Who the fuck cares. It didn't close any doors. It didn't cost them any real money. All they did was shift their websites and email etc to a higher security system that Anonymous or anyone else has not been able to disrupt. Net effect? None. No slowdown of the money flow at all.
http://myscientology.blogspot.com/2011/04/scientology-expansion-keeps-expanding.html



Originally posted by light_em_up

How would it look for playstation if they said "yeah we had a shitty security system that allowed these "kids" to hack our network and disrupt service all over the world. We lost alot of subscribers and really took a hit on the PS store sales...

They would look like fools, of course there gonna say that the attacks did nothing.

And you know what, even if they are just a mosquito in your ear, its better than getting pushed around and letting your government decide what u can or cant look at on the net. Or what a police officer can or cant do.

Have you guys seens the ammount of police brutality in the states? Right now there have been over 100 PEACEFUL protesters that have been maced and arrested for doing nothing more than sitting in public property.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwo5eumXxyA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM

Blah blah blah. Nothing to do with anonymous.



Originally posted by light_em_up

Personally i believe that there is a small group of anon members, probably all very close. They are the ones who started the movement and actually stand for what is right. then there is the hundred of kids that have joined wanting to be a pro haxor and there VERY MUCH giving them a bad name. since there is no way to know "who is who", i cant back that up. Just what i believe.
I think there WAS a small group of hackers that wanted to be "Anonymous", the same with Lulzsec. Now, they're all in jail. Yes, very effective.

Now, as to whether or not Anonymous is something to support? No, it's not. They hide behind anonymity. They do nothing that actually improves anything for anyone. All they do is seek fame and glory and e-cred by using known vulnerabilities against existing targets. If they really wanted to do something that would actually incite change, then they'd break into the banking system and erase mortgages. Or perhaps they'd credit everyone's account in the US with $1000. Oh, but wait.. they can't because they lack the knowlege and the skill. Almost all of the currently documented bank intrusions have taken place with the assistance of someone on the inside. Without that help, it's pretty much impossible to just break in. Ask me again what I do for a living and how I would know this?

Defend them all you want, but in reality they haven't accomplished anything that hasn't been done 1000 times before by script kiddies looking for e-cred.

[broken_legs]

Originally posted by codetrap


They're not trying to accomplish anything. There is no goal, no organization, no leader. They're a bunch of anarchists that do whatever the fuck they feel like doing in the internet realm. Sure, they managed to create a database of a few hundred pedo's out there.

As to the occupy wallstreet wannabe monkeys? They're a total waste of time. A bunch of fucking idealists that don't have a cohesive goal and will accomplish nothing ultimately because nobody in power will take them seriously.

Managed to bash 2 dissident political voices in one post. Two for the price of One - Impressive!



Originally posted by codetrap

Now, as to whether or not Anonymous is something to support? No, it's not. They hide behind anonymity. They do nothing that actually improves anything for anyone.


^^ I like this one too. Very true. How can the government keep me safe against different political ideas/truth if anonymity is to be legal??


Truthiness FTW

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finally a real rebuttal!


Yeah sorry i messed that up, anon did not cause the network outtages, however they were trying to keep our info safe from being sold to other companies.. .no? The whole point behind that was Sony wanting to buy our info was it not?

BOA = Bank of America, and never assume.

Yes everyday ppl slander the scientology religion, but no one has ever taken it to the level they did, not agreeing or disagreeing with what they did, just saying.

And you say occupy wallstreet has NOTHING to do with anonymous? No ties at all? ok.

It may sound like im defending them but in reality, im just getting my OWN story straight and thank you for your input as it is helping. Ive never once said im a follower by any means though.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by broken_legs


Managed to bash 2 dissident political voices in one post. Two for the price of One - Impressive!

^^ I like this one too. Very true. How can the government keep me safe against different political ideas/truth if anonymity is to be legal??

Truthiness FTW

It's hard to tell sometimes if you're serious or not. There's nothing wrong with being dissident. Don't have an issue with that in the least. But if you're not willing to actually stand up and be counted for your beliefs, then do you really believe them? Will YOU lead them broken_legs? Will YOU personally put your livelihood on the line to become the rallying point for a politically dissident political voice? Come out from behind your anonymous user ID?

Yeah, didn't think so...


Occupy Wall Street and Anonymous... Anonymous is simply riding on the coattails of the OWS news feed. They're not actually doing anything. I haven't seen anyone in Guy Fawkes t-shirts down at the OWS operating a soup kitchen, or handing out blankets... No, they show up for a bit wearing masks.. why? Because they're afraid of imperiling their real lives. If they really wanted to stand up and be counted, then they'd wear a shirt that says "Anonymous" on it, uncover their faces, and be counted for what they believe in.

[light_em_up]

Originally posted by codetrap


Occupy Wall Street and Anonymous... Anonymous is simply riding on the coattails of the OWS news feed. They're not actually doing anything. I haven't seen anyone in Guy Fawkes t-shirts down at the OWS operating a soup kitchen, or handing out blankets... No, they show up for a bit wearing masks.. why? Because they're afraid of imperiling their real lives. If they really wanted to stand up and be counted, then they'd wear a shirt that says "Anonymous" on it, uncover their faces, and be counted for what they believe in.


Several of the original ANON members are jailed, probably the guys who were set out just to help us. Therefore all the followers assume that revealing their identity will lead to their arrest.

They cant do anything behind bars,(not saying they're doing anything anyway right now) maybe anonymity will be the one thing that prevails??

Its very rare for someone to just become famous without the help of other famous people. Maybe riding the coattails will get them the exposure they need?

Just a few thoughts.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by light_em_up



Several of the original ANON members are jailed, probably the guys who were set out just to help us. Therefore all the followers assume that revealing their identity will lead to their arrest.

They cant do anything behind bars,(not saying they're doing anything anyway right now) maybe anonymity will be the one thing that prevails??

Its very rare for someone to just become famous without the help of other famous people. Maybe riding the coattails will get them the exposure they need?

Just a few thoughts.

They were jailed because they committed crimes. The followers hide behind the anonymous mask for the same reasons we all use handles on the internet. They don't want to be ID'd in real life, regardless of what they believe, because they know that one of the requirements for membership is to willingly join their PC to the DDOS network, which is a federal crime.

Also, which is cooler? "commanderX", cyber vigilante and freedom fighter, or "Ted", who is a fry cook at McDonalds.

[light_em_up]

Originally posted by codetrap


They were jailed because they committed crimes. The followers hide behind the anonymous mask for the same reasons we all use handles on the internet. They don't want to be ID'd in real life, regardless of what they believe, because they know that one of the requirements for membership is to willingly join their PC to the DDOS network, which is a federal crime.

Also, which is cooler? "commanderX", cyber vigilante and freedom fighter, or "Ted", who is a fry cook at McDonalds.

Yes they were jailed for committing crimes, and the crime they committed was much less than the crime they fought to expose, IN MY OPINION.

My original post stating that they were freedom fighters was my opinion at the time of posting, i wanted your opinions and i got some good ones, mine has changed now that i have this new information so kindly provided by some of you.

Sometimes a discussion thread is needed to bring real light to a subject. which was the entire reason i made this post. I wasnt sure what i thought at the beginning.

While i still believe alot of what they have done is amazing and i thank them for that, you guys have shown me alot of them i never knew, some i do disagree with. Maybe i wouldnt dub them freedom fighters anymore, since i have found out their other work.

And for ur question, it depends if ted wears his mcdonalds visor with a slight bend in it or flat.