Shanghai: Project Electric Scooter

[AG_Styles]

Intro:

So, I've been spending the last 3.5 years working and living in Shanghai.

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As some of you know, the traffic in Shanghai can get pretty insane and there are a lot of vehicles on the roads here. One of the most popular way to get around while avoiding a majority of the traffic tie-ups are to travel around by bicycle or scooters. So to make things easier for myself, I decided to get an electric scooter.


Why an electric scooter?

There are a few regulations regarding this.
First, a motorcycle is treated the same as a car with the exception that it cannot go on the highways. This also means that a motorcycle cannot go into the special bicycle lanes on the road. The result is that there would be no real gain from getting a motorbike as opposed to a car.

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The other reason is that any vehicle powered by gasoline (bike or car) has to apply for a license plate. The operator also needs a chinese drivers license which can only be obtained by going to a mandatory driving/riding school (costing more money). In addition, there are a variety of plate types, with the annual cost of the plate that allows you to drive everywhere costing 50,000RMB (est 8000 CAD).
There are also cheaper plates which restrict you to certain areas of the city. You do risk getting pulled over by the chinese police if you are outside your plate zone.

(A lot of illegal riding goes on in the city and I will not cover that as even with my electric scooter, i've already been pulled over by the police as my scooter type is typically gas powered and modified to kingdom come. I will try to answer any questions you might have though.)

Electric bikes are the exception in the fact that they DO NOT REQUIRE plates or licenses. They are also allowed to travel everywhere in the city. The downside is that the electric bikes are typically limited to low speeds (legal top speed limit of 20km/h) and limited travel distances before they require a charge.

You can see in the picture below, that the majority of bikes in Shanghai (and even the rest of China) are pretty beat to hell. They do home repairs with tape (not even duct tape, just regular tape) and install things like hand warmers over the handle bars.
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Project Start:

Purchasing:
So, my scooter purchase stemmed from something I needed to use to travel to work everyday, and to do grocery shopping. I also needed a small enough scooter in order to be able to fit it in my apartment elevator. This is due to the fact I'd need to charge the battery and prevent the bike from being stolent.

In Shanghai, there are a large selection of scooters since they're the vehicle of choice for the young and poor.

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I picked out a model that apparently, is typically used by the younger generation for modifications. This model also typically comes with a gas powered engine.
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This cost me around 3000rmb (600CAD) and is typically a steel frame wrapped in a lightweight ABS plastic shell. The motor is a puny 500W motor and the dealer installed battery consists of 4 Lead Acid battery cells.
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This type of battery is the cheapest in terms of cost, but loses its charge really quick when the temperature is below 15C. It also gives a travel distance of around 40km before it needs to be recharged again.
Fresh from the lot, the batteries are hardwired right into the scooter and isn't easily removable unless you remove the seat and spend more time after that unwiring everything.

The stock 500w motor allows me to select between a high and low speed. The low speed going to a max of 30km/h, and the high speed going to 45km/h. The speed of the scooter is also affected greatly by the rider(s) weight on the bike.

This scooter model also comes with disc brakes both in the front and rear. Most other models usually come with drums in the rear.

Also, as with anything in China, see if you can try to bargain for a lower price. Although this only helps if you can fluently speak mandarin or shanghai-nese (in shanghai).


First day back
On thing about scooters or bikes in Shanghai, you will need to lock it up really well because thieves love to steal the bikes, or break into your bike and steal your batteries. Why? Because they are assholes and the batteries are typically the most expensive component of the bikes here.

Also, typically these chinese made bikes are easily breakable so this will be something you will have to watch out for. If you have been working on RC cars and/or cars, it will be basic maintainence for you.

So since my batteries are non-removable, i've had to bring the bike up to my apartment through the elevator. These things weigh around 200lbs or so.

You can see in the picture below i've had to charge the bike by directly connecting it to the wall socket.

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The mirrors are pretty useless as they bend out of shape if you are travelling at a speed above 30km/h.
The front headlight grill is made out of plastic... sheesh...
The seat is sloped downward and you can easily slide around it when riding around town.

So in stock form, there are a few things already to improve. Hence why these scooters are sold for such a low price.


First Modifications

So after riding around Shanghai for a few days, I started to get annoyed with the daily routine of bringing the bike up and down for charging and safety. I also started to notice the stock instrument gauge not working properly. The stock instrument gauge also is very hard to read during the night due to the crappy light bulbs they use inside.

First, I removed the mirrors and the front grill. I just shoulder check a lot now. Which is still more checking than what the typical chinese rider/driver does here...

Next, I started looking into modifications to be able to remove my battery and replace my gauges.

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Since my bike has a small frame, it took me awhile to find a shop willing to do a removable battery modification for me. They also upgraded my instrument gauge to a digital backlit one. The total price of the modifications? 180RMB (30 dollars).

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Now the battery can be easily removed and I can leave my scooter outside my main door and charge the battery inside.
The battery compartment weighs around 85+lbs.

In addition, I bought an upgraded lock for the scooter. This new lock costs 200rmb. However, here's the catch.
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This particular brand is a military grade lock. When you purchase one, they register the purchase and your name with the company. In the event if your bike is ever stolen due to a broken lock, the company will replace your whole bike if you show them all your receipts! Basically, this is a replacement security insurance for your ride!!!

You can see the old red lock, vs the new military grade lock.
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Next step, boosting performance and making sure i dont slide around in the corners.


Seat Mod
The stock seat was really slippery and was sloped downwards. Your ass basically would be pretty sore after a few minutes of driving.

Now, I had been noticing a few scooters/bikes with strange looking seats. So after looking into it, I managed to source an actual bucket seat for the scooter at the dealer where I had purchased the bike.

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The seat is actually of a very good quality and hugs your butt when riding and cornering around town. Total cost? 150rmb (25CAD).

<continued on my next post>

[buh_buh]

now THIS is a build thread

[Disoblige]

Nice write-up. Looking forward for more. Thanks!

[D'z Nutz]

I like where this is going. If anyone's going to teach the Chinese a thing or two about rice, it's a Beyonder :rofl:

[AG_Styles]

couldn't sleep yet... ;)

Performance Mods

Now, I personally think a max speed of 45km/h and a distance of 40km is pretty weak. The average chinese person might be ok with that as they just use it as a transportation device to go from Point A to Point B. But... anyone who really knows me that this isn't gonna fly.

So, against common sense, I started researching into a higher capacity battery and a way to boost my travel speed. Guys, the key to an electric vehicle is and always will be the power source. If you have a solid power base, you can pretty much do anything else with the vehicle.

In my bikes current state, if I merely upgraded the motor, I would only be able to travel to a distance of 20km. So the search began for a reliable and stable Lithium battery capable of sustaining my bike and a new 1000w motor. ;)

Now here's a little background. The newer electric bicycles do come with a small lithium cell for a motor assist. They however, max out at 20km/h. But the lithium cell is 50% lighter than the standard Lead Acid battery cell.

However, in China, the lithium cell is also 4x more expensive. With the help of my colleagues, I tracked down a small shop that was able to do the battery and engine modification.

However, with my battery modification, I was told that i would need to upgrade my MMCU (Motor Management Control Unit). This basically functions the same as the ECU in a car. It controls the security alarm (if installed), the voltage in/out of the motor, and the battery.

Also, with the upgrade in engine, I opted for a wider offset tire in the rear to handle my higher speed cornering that i'd be doing after the modification. ;)

Here's a picture of the shop I did the modifcations at. These shops are very common all over the city. You can charge up your bike here for 1-3rmb. You can also get repairs done as well.
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Here, the bike is being ripped apart. Like i mentioned, these things are simple and it's just a frame and the motor with some wires.
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Here, the shop owner is re-welding and remaking my battery compartment to fit my new lithium battery.
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You can see my new Yamaha MMCU. With this, I was also able to upgrade to a wireless remote key! This means i have an alarm system, and I can now power my bike and ride it without even plugging in a key as long as i have my remote!!!!
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This is the new 1000w motor going into the bike. The rear tire is wrapped around the motor and the whole thing is then mounted on the bike.
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Wider offset tire. More aggressive tire pattern as well
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Here is the beast of the battery. This component cost the most money. However, it allows my bike to travel to a distance of more than 100km (more than double the original capacity).
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Now on this modification, I've replaced: The battery, the motor, the tire, had the frame modified, alarm, electronic key, and the MMCU replaced. In total, this cost me 6200rmb (1000CAD). Full 1 year gaurantee from the shop as well.

Note: I can't get a bigger battery or engine as the frame would have to be completely replaced to accomodate the size of a bigger motor and battery. The battery weighs 50lbs now. The combination of the tire, motor and battery allows me to reach to a top speed of 60km/h and for a distance of ~100km.

Please also note that it costs me 1-2rmb ($0.10CAD) everytime i charge my battery to full. So you can see the cost savings.

The battery also requires a specific charger if not it will catch on fire.
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On this one trip to the shop, I pretty much replaced all the performance components on the bike.

NEXT POST: Brakes, Paint Job, super white LEDs.
Suspension next coming weekend.

<Stay tuned for more>

Here's a bad pic of me beside the bike for size comparison
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Here's also a pic of the bike being washed at a nearby shop. Full service and you dont lift a finger. 10rmb (1.50 CAD). The other stores charge 5rmb, but this was next to my apartment so I was lazy.
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Here's the scooter in the elevator.
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[n1zm0]

best build ever, it's probably instant torque with that new motor

sidenote: you should do a blog for us, about your daily life in mainland, food, bike travels, nonsense etc. would read daily!

[AG_Styles]

Brakes!

So, I was nearly involved in a near accident with a motorcycle. You see, in Shanghai, there are illegally operating motorcycle taxi's waiting every morning outside rural subway stations. They bring people from the station, to their office for a fee.

As such, they like to gun the throttle because the sooner they can bring a person to the office, the sooner they can get back to the station and get another customer.

These guys, are also assholes. They do not shoulder check or check at all and they will blast through traffic even against a red light. It's due to one of these guys that I crashed trying to avoid a motorcycle jumping out from behind a parked car. He jumped out perpendicular to my path and I had no chance of stopping. I was lucky to not hit him. If i had, I would've trashed his whole bike and there would've been hell to pay from him.

I merely ended up with a detached signal light and a cracked side fender. a 180rmb fix.

I noted that I lost control because my brakes locked up and my tires ended up not being able to handle the forward momentum. So, as per usual form, I looked into upgrading the brakes.

Guess what I've installed on the bike now?

ABS!

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This ABS module costs 75rmb. It is only applicable on disc brakes. It so happens that mine has discs both in the front and the back.

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There is a noticeable improvement in control during hard braking now. In Shanghai, especially with my upgraded motor, this has already allowed me to avoid close-calls with other bikes on the road due to the congestion and the general shitty riding attitudes of the other bikers on the road.

After attaching ABS units to both the front and rear, I then decided to give the bike a little home-made paint job in flat black.

As you can see, I've even covered the calipers and the ABS unit along with my rims, in matte black paint. A can of spraypaint cost me 5rmb... :D

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Next post, headlight HID upgrade. Stay tuned tmw.

[AG_Styles]

HID's

So, i was not happy with the yellow-brownish lights on my flat black scooter. So this means another modification incoming. ;)

I had asked around for just LED replacement bulbs. I guess the shop i went to misunderstood me and went ahead and just ordered 2 HID kits for my bike... >.<'

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It kinda made sense now why I was paying 350rmb ($59 CAD) supposedly for 2 LED bulbs.

So now, I had no choice to to get the HID kits installed on my scooter...

So usually 1 HID kit would be enough on a bike, but since my scooter has 2 separate headlight bulbs, i ended up having to install both kits since it would just look weird with 1 headlight lit up, and the other dark.

While the shop was ripping out the front of my bike...
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I was busy on my end creating my own black housed headlights. I figured the stock chrome would blind anyone unlucky enough to look at my bike at night.
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I guess the shop mechanics weren't familiar with the concept of black-housed headlights since they didnt know how to dismantle the headlight housing. It was pretty easy considering i've done a H4 conversion on my first car and a HID conversion on my civic.

So after assembling everything, this is what she looked like.
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Trouble the day after!

So after installing the HIDs, I was really eager to try it out when night came.

Oh yah... so when it became dark out, i was cruisin down the back streets with my HIDs on. Lets just say 2 HIDs on a scooter is kinda overkill.

However, after 5 mins, i started noticing the front of my bike emitting white smoke. 2 mins after, all my lights shut off!!!
My electronically assisted rear brake also seemed to stop working!!

Let me tell you, riding on a lightweight matte black scooter with no lighting at night in the outer streets of Shanghai is a pretty dangerous affair. To make matters worse, there was no electricity going into my horn and rear brake....

I guess I should be happy that my motor was still running along with my MMCU.

Thankfully, i managed to make it back home without futher incident.


The Fix

The very next day, i went back to the shop early in the morning to get the scooter fixed.

Apparently, the main fuse blew since there was 1 fuse trying to compensate for 2 HID kits... Seems like the installation wasn't done right.

So it took an hour to fab a total rewire of my front wiring harness to add in another fuse and relay it through an additional control box.

After carefully testing the bike the whole day with the HIDs on, I can now say it's working nicely!

Here are some updated pictures:
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Seriously, 2 HID kits on a small scooter like this is overkill... I have to now re-test how much mileage i can get with the lights on...

Preferbly, I'd also like to find some projector housings to retrofit onto the bike as well.

Next step now though is the Suspension. Should be coming this weekend, so stay tuned!!!

[JfuckinC]

holy shit you are pimping this thing out, haha love it man :thumbsup:

[Abeo]

I don't understand how that ABS module can work... have you tested it yet?

[V6-BoI]

Nice write-up man. Look forward to seeing what other mods you put in it.


Originally posted by Abeo
I don't understand how that ABS module can work... have you tested it yet?

Maybe it's just a pressure regulator from the brake line?

[JfuckinC]

Ya like if you hammer on the breaks, it's set at a certain pressure to relieve it over and over again quickly not allowing your breaks to fully lock up or something?

[kenny]

Shipped out some go-fast parts to you. Should increase your top speed AND make your battery last longer.

:burnout:

[schocker]

Originally posted by kenny
Shipped out some go-fast parts to you. Should increase your top speed AND make your battery last longer.

:burnout:
Go fast parts, better overnight them from Canada :rofl:
Neat build though :thumbsup:

[AG_Styles]

Hi Abeo, the guys above are pretty much on the spot. The ABS module on these bikes are pretty much a small pressure regulator. It's pretty much enough on lightweight bikes like these that weigh 150-180lbs (with the battery inside).

I tested it out the day I installed it and it's actually night and day if you go hard on the braking like i do. I've managed to avoid accidents already by not having the tires lock up when i hammer on the brakes.

[AG_Styles]

I can't wait for Kenny's go fast parts to arrive! Hopefully it gets here soon and i can install it on the bike!!! Thanks again dude!!!

[bituerbo]

[b] stickers?

[v2kai]

sweet thread:clap: keep it coming!

[AG_Styles]

Originally posted by bituerbo
[b] stickers?

;) maybe?


On other news, the rear shocks and springs are in the shop. Just have to find some time to get them installed now. So probably Saturday afternoon (SHA time).

Also, seems like the HIDs are still super bright, so it seems that i have to do a real retrofit of projectors now... ugh...

[civic_stylez]

Can you get any form or charge to the battery from braking? Kind of like a KERS F1 kinetic energy charge?

Sweet build by the way!!! :thumbsup:

[AG_Styles]

Originally posted by civic_stylez
Can you get any form or charge to the battery from braking? Kind of like a KERS F1 kinetic energy charge?

Sweet build by the way!!! :thumbsup:

Hi Civic_stylez,

You must be talking about regenerative braking. That is actually something i'm looking into. There are also a couple of prototype electric scooters being developed by a company in southern China with these types of braking systems.

However, the cost for the production version of these bikes are around 30,000rmb+ Not merely due to the braking system, but also the increased lithium batteries, the higher motor wattage, etc...

Most modern electric motorcycles also incorporate this system. there's a good example of this on the Vectrix electric motorcycle (might be wrong on the company name). Apparently this electric motorcycle houses a 20,000w motor and can go up to 100km/h.

However, my research (at this point) has only pointed out that the braking can only recover a small percentage of the energy. Some also have said that it's pointless to have this type of system on a small scooter such as these since it might actually be a safety issue affecting your braking power.

But again, it's still something I am still looking into!

On another note, seems like they have competitive electric scooter racing in the southern parts of china where the scooters can reach up to 200km/h. Of course it's a short burst race where the batteries have to be replaced pretty quick, but still, it's interesting.

[V6-BoI]

Originally posted by AG_Styles

On another note, seems like they have competitive electric scooter racing in the southern parts of china where the scooters can reach up to 200km/h. Of course it's a short burst race where the batteries have to be replaced pretty quick, but still, it's interesting.

Take it to the track and post a quarter mile time! :burnout:

[AG_Styles]

Originally posted by V6-BoI


Take it to the track and post a quarter mile time! :burnout:

lol I'd have to add an acceleration booster module to my bike to even compete and swap out to a 2500W motor!

[AG_Styles]

So as i mentioned, i had suspension parts coming in today.

The shocks for the rear of the bike!

The stock ones kept bouncing around and it felt like i was on a trampoline. So i requested for firmer ones and preferbly in black to keep a low key.

Again, to my surprise (as with the HIDs)... I got black springs... with a bronze/gold shock... AND i found out that these are fully adjustable coilovers...

Yah, I still can't get my head around the fact that my small scooter has fully adjustable coilovers... >.<'

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Most ricers here like to adjust them to maximum height as to increase the visibility of their bikes as well as to obtain a higher seating level. Whereas I did the total opposite and adjusted it as low as possible for a more viable center of gravity and favourable wind resistance.

It only took 15mins to install as these bikes are super basic.

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The golden back part is apparently where the shock is absorbed and excess gas is released to provide a firmer ride with minimum bounce.

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It's still super visible but there's nothing i'm going to do about it for now.

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Next up will be the front shocks as the stock ones are pretty craptacular. I also need to find a shop which can do projector retrofits as my current HIDs are literally melting my stock headlight housings.

I've so far spent around 1800CAD on the bike (including purchase price). Not hoping to spend more. It should pretty much be complete after i've replaced the front shocks. Then again, with any project, we'll see what I end up thinking about after.

Until next mod, stay tuned!

[AG_Styles]

So it's winter in Shanghai and the temperature is around 0-4C. I figure its time to get a helmet and proper riding gear to keep warm.

I was informed by my colleauge that there was a bike modification street in Shanghai so i went to go check it out.

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So it's a whole block of small shops selling parts and accessories at wholesale prices. They also have shops that can modify and work on your bike. Here, there are gas and electric scooters and real motorcycles as well. The street is always noisy since there are tons of guys with loud mufflers on their bikes blasting away.

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I went to a shop to get a helmet. There are many shops set up like this. I went with a couple of colleagues who modify bikes so they were able to help me and bargain on price.
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So i settled on a ECE approved helmet (Dot and Snell helmets are too pricy here due to the import tax).
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I also snagged a weatherproof Dainese jacket.
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Next up are proper gloves and i found a shop that retro fits HID projector headlights for my scooter. The total price for the headlight housing + bulbs are 530rmb ($80CAD). A little pricy, so i'm waiting to see if i can get a discount.

Projectors are up next, so stay tuned.

[AG_Styles]

So, as I said, i had been looking for projector headlights for my bike.

The stock housings were made of plastic and were starting to melt from the head of the HIDs. In addition, the light emitted was unfocussed and would blind anyone and spread all over the road.

So i found a shop in Scooter/bike Alley that did retro fits for all types of bike models

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I had to get a new housing since my stock one melted and he had one in stock that was already pre-made.

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The problem now is that it comes with ricer blue angle eyes... >.<'

The box is already installed in the housing so if i didn't connect it, i'd have spare wiring everywhere. It also came with an internal red lighting within the projectors, but... i refused to connect them...

Here they are at night
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I now have some sort of cut off!!!
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The bike is pretty much 98% done now. Just need to harden the front shocks and it'll be good!

[AndyL]

:thumbsup: I never thought I'd say it on anything scooter related though...

Why can't we have these in canada?

[Ven]

Excellent thread AG. Looks like a very cool place to be.

[black13]

Really cool stuff.

+1 we need more electric bikes in canada. I've seen one at Walmart but its way too big and slow.

[AG_Styles]

They do have some of those.

for example, this is kinda like the same model as mine. Except it only goes 32km/h
http://scooterunderground.ca/products/electric_scooters/Kaishan_K500W_Sport_Electric_Scooter.htm

Another few models in canada:
http://www.e-ride.ca/Electric_Scooters/index.html

http://www.mobilityunlimited.ca/g_force_electric_bikes.htm


All of these are available from 1250rmb ($200CAD) to 4000rmb ($650CAD) in China.


FOR THOSE WONDERING HOW THE ABS WORKS:
http://www.e-ride.ca/Electric_Scooters/ABS_Braking_system.htm

I am now kinda tempted to upgrade my motor again after seeing the electric motorcycles on some sites. lol