H5N1 pandemic will kill us all

[OU812]

http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2011/11/scientists-brace-for-media-storm.html





The virus is an H5N1 avian influenza strain that has been genetically altered and is now easily transmissible between ferrets, the animals that most closely mimic the human response to flu. Scientists believe it's likely that the pathogen, if it emerged in nature or were released, would trigger an influenza pandemic, quite possibly with many millions of deaths.

Anyone watched Survivors on Netflix??

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[J-hop]

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[dimi]

Originally posted by OU812
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2011/11/scientists-brace-for-media-storm.html

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:rolleyes: I wonder which pharma company will step up to "save humanity" with a vaccine while making billions, with total legal immunity.

[ZenOps]

Yes!

But didn't half of Canadians get their shot already? Usually they are good for 15-20 years or so? It would suck to die only because one forgot to get a booster a couple decades from now.

Oh wait, that was H1N1.

There is no vaccination for H5N1? Ahh well at least I've got one base covered.

[triplep]

Wow that was quick

They went from H1N1 to H5N1.... looks like someone forgot to profit on H2N1-H4N1...

[ZenOps]

Flu shots pale in comparison to Lipitor (which as of today, has a patent expiry)

Flu shots are a one time thing. Drugs like Lipitor and Aspirin are taken daily for life by many people.

To all the conspiracy theories that the drug companies are making money on one flu shot - are insane. The drugs that have you taking one a day for life are where they are *really* socking it to you. If they could create a drug, that would cure headaches for 10 years with a single dose - it would never be released.

[Guillermo]

flu shots, black friday, cyber monday, climategate, blah blah blah. your opinions and decisions are being bought and sold by the "news."

[LollerBrader]

Originally posted by ZenOps
Flu shots pale in comparison to Lipitor (which as of today, has a patent expiry)

Flu shots are a one time thing.

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Until next year when you get another.

[jdmXSI]

Originally posted by LollerBrader


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Until next year when you get another.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the reason why you're supposed to get flu shots every year is for the current strain of virus which generally mutates from year to year, correct?

[msommers]

The flu shot they give you each year is a vaccinne for the highest probable virus to affect the public.

I still think flu shots are a load of shit for anyone who isn't over 60 or an infant.

[Cos]

Originally posted by jdmXSI


Correct me if I'm wrong but the reason why you're supposed to get flu shots every year is for the current strain of virus which generally mutates from year to year, correct?

They actually 'guess' what next years flu is going to be and create that. The flu shot strains are a guess. That is why the H1N1 vaccine had to be rushed out because it wasnt on anyones radar.

[OriginalGoods]

I have not been sick in 2 years never got a flue shot or take any medication the doctor gives me or advil or pain killers . I must be doing something right

[Cos]

Originally posted by OriginalGoods
I have not been sick in 2 years never got a flue shot or take any medication the doctor gives me or advil or pain killers . I must be doing something right

The one year I got the flu shot I got sick.

[M.alex]

Originally posted by Cos


The one year I got the flu shot I got sick.

Same w/ my dad - the *1* time he got one, thinking he was doing himself a favor, he got majorily sick for 3weeks.

LOL@ flu shots.

[jdmXSI]

Originally posted by Cos


They actually 'guess' what next years flu is going to be and create that. The flu shot strains are a guess. That is why the H1N1 vaccine had to be rushed out because it wasnt on anyones radar.

I personally haven't had a flu shot since elementary/jr. high but that's interesting to know I guess.

[ZenOps]

Seasonal flu is once a year. H1N1 was a suggested once in a lifetime pandemic flu shot.

It was suggested that all people should take the H1N1. You can avoid all the seasonals if you are an otherwise healthy adult.

I was thinking of getting the Twinrix A/B shot, but it still awfully expensive (I'll wait until its under a hundred bucks or so)

[mark4091]

Originally posted by M.alex


Same w/ my dad - the *1* time he got one, thinking he was doing himself a favor, he got majorily sick for 3weeks.

LOL@ flu shots.

Or almost any shot or drug.





Anyone ever wonder why it's illegal to consume THC oil? might get rid of that cancer stuff.

[Sugarphreak]

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[wintonyk]

Last time I got the flu shot I was sick for several months. I haven't been able to eat gluten or dairy since. For me it was the straw that broke the camels back.

Since then the only vaccine I have had is the first 2 doses of twinrix. 3rd one next week. (insurance covered most of mine, it cost me less than 30 bucks)

As far as the H5N1, whatever. We are meant to have large populations die every couple hundred years. It's nature's way of preventing overpopulation.

Think how much less crowded the world would be if say 10--20% of the population was lost. Look at the spanish flu or black death.

[Toma]

flu shots are not one time. The body quickly forgets vaccines, where letting your immune system see it naturally will lead to immunity that can last 50+ years.

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by Toma
flu shots are not one time. The body quickly forgets vaccines, where letting your immune system see it naturally will lead to immunity that can last 50+ years.

BINGO. Never had a flu shot, never will. I think ive had the flu 3 times in my entire life, and two of them were 24 hour bugs. Your body naturally builds immunities, people often forget what the human body is really capable of.

[cde1966]

What goes into the flu shot is determined by a small group of doctors. They pick five of the strains of flu and develop a vaccine to protect the public. They then "dust" any or all of the flu strains on to Mandarin oranges and inject them into cereal boxes, then sell their vaccine to the highest bidder. All the money goes into keeping programs like the "moon landing" going… Anyone else notice that no one ever gets sick until the Mandarin oranges start showing up in the store?:dunno:

[ZenOps]

The body does not "forget" flus that quickly. H1N1 should provide limited protection for quite a while, just as long as if you actually caught H1N1 and survived.

The hundred million that died in 1918 is sad. But the survivors may have had some limited resistance that allowed them to live, and with any luck they managed to pass on that resistance to future generations (which is why there has not been a H1N1 problem since)

Seasonal flus mutate every year into a few different strains every year, thats why you need a different one each year. It was determined long ago, that they would pick "one" or "two" strains each year to immunize against, although no human on the planet has been immunized against every flu, no matter how many shots taken.

If you are likely to survive the seasonal flu, there is little to no reason to get the seasonal shot (unless you happen to be a caregiver for infants or the elderly) Hepatitis A/B is a different story, I'd greatly prefer that all bank tellers and produce food handlers be required to get their Twinrix shot so that they are zero chance of being carriers.

Believe it or not, the profession with the most microbial transfer - is a bank teller. Silver and copper coins are naturally antimicrobial, but Nickel - is not.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by mark4091
Anyone ever wonder why it's illegal to consume THC oil? might get rid of that cancer stuff.

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[J-hop]

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[Sugarphreak]

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[rage2]

Time to buy pharmaceutical and hand sanitizer company stocks! :rofl:

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by triplep
They went from H1N1 to H5N1.... looks like someone forgot to profit on H2N1-H4N1...
Ha! Well said.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Personally, I'd rather potentially get the flu than potentially get one of the side affects of some of these shots.

[clem24]

Hmm I don't get the article.. So basically these scientists went and genetically modified the H5N1 virus to get the very result they were hoping would not happen..? Hmm let's create some giant black holes while were at it.

Yeah I've basically stopped lining up for flu shots about 5 years ago. Can't beat a couple of free days off work (though to you the truth, being sick sucks and I'd rather we working). But IMHO it's the best way to keep your immune system in good shape!

[NuclearPizzaMan]

The biggest problem with the flu shot are the morons who conclude that since it isn't necessary, other important vaccines are bad. vaccine avoidance is at an all time high, and now diseases that were practically wiped out are making a come back.



If you are healthy, skip the flu shot, but get your other fucking shots.

[J-hop]

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[LollerBrader]

Originally posted by J-hop

There are mountains of evidence and research supporting flu shots, I don't know how people here can think they have the knowledge and experience to refute this data.

I love it. I'm sure they "work". The question is, what exactly does "work" mean? The scope of effect/protection is widely misrepresented and misunderstood, as is the risk/nature of the threat.


In the balance of it all, I can't imagine why *anyone* would take a flu shot including the so-called "high risk" demographic of infants and seniors.

But the great thing is, we still have individual choice, and are about to do our own DD, and make our own evaluation of the relative risks - And live with the outcome.

[LollerBrader]

Originally posted by J-hop

I think to many people buy into the politics behind flu shots rather than the actual science behind it which is pretty robust if you ask me.

Of course, this is the arrogance of the pro-vax set. They assume that analysis can only lead to one conclusion, and that anyone arriving at a different conclusion doesn't know anything about science and must have been brainwashed by Jenny Mcarthy's tits.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by J-hop
LOL yea there seems to be a huge misconception of what the flu vaccine is and does. No your immune system does not forget easily, that is a hilarious comment. Yes your body is good at building natural immunities but only after your body has become sick with an actual full power strain of the virus so by saying you are just going to build up a natural immunity and be better off is silly because you body will have to actually get sick first.

Feeling sick after a vaccination is perfectly normal, after all if you understand anything about vaccinations your immune system kicks into high gear to fight off the vaccination and build up an immunity to that targeted strain (each year they target a different strain, it's not that your body forgets all influenza viruses are NOT the same)

I love when people that don't get flu shots yet have friends that did and one of those friends will get sick and they wont then from this they claim they have irrefutable evidence that flu shots don't work....yes that is how science works boys and girls.

There are mountains of evidence and research supporting flu shots, I don't know how people here can think they have the knowledge and experience to refute this data.

Everyone should get these. You never know! It's better to be "safe" right bro?

Hope for the best but plan for the worst. You don't want to just "die" because you didn't want to take a little bit of your time to get a needle.

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[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by J-hop
I love when people that don't get flu shots yet have friends that did and one of those friends will get sick and they wont then from this they claim they have irrefutable evidence that flu shots don't work...

For me, it's a little different. I have never had one just because I have never felt it necessary, I have always been highly healthy.

As I get a little older and approaching the ages where it may be more useful I still will not, I would rather take my chances. For me, I don't believe ALL of the science. I think things are rushed to market without proper trials and I think the complete truth of potential risks are not fully revealed.

I have this stance after watching the wife of my boss be completely debilitated with Guillain-Barré Syndrome for the last two years as a result of the last "panic-fuelled" flu shot hysteria. All the specialists/experts agree that it was as a result of the flu-shot. It was a known possible side affect (1 in 250,000 possibility of occurrence I believe) but those numbers are either total bullshit or we live in a hot-spot concentration of "bad shots" because she has 9 people in a support group here that all have this disease confirmed as a result of the vaccination. Pretty high odds where it is not even feasible that 250K people had a shot.

Yes, my opinion is biased based on what I see every day rather than hard science but I am not willing to take the risk after watching the aftermath. I'd rather risk the potential of a flu than risk my life never again being what it once was.

[Tik-Tok]

1:250,000 chance of being fucked up for life, VS a 1% chance of being sick for a week. I'm a healthy 33 year old person, the flu is not going to kill me. Perhaps when I'm old, and weak, I'll get it, or if I find out I have something else wrong with me that will increase the chances of the flu killing me.

But what do I know? I'm not a scientist, and therefore have no knowledge or experience about what's best for me.

[Cos]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok
1:250,000 chance of being fucked up for life, VS a 1% chance of being sick for a week.

:werd: I am not saying they dont work I just dont believe they are worth the risk. I got my H1N1, I am 100% up to date on my important shots. Just the flu shot to me isnt worth it. I think I have maybe had the flu 3 times in my life.

People also have to remember how bad the real flu really is. Most people think a bad cold is the flu. Flu is really bad, vomiting and overall wanting to die.

[J-hop]

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[LollerBrader]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok

But what do I know? I'm not a scientist, and therefore have no knowledge or experience about what's best for me.

Who says you need to be wearing a lab coat to analyze the tradeoffs of vaccines vs disease?

Those answers won't be found looking through a microscope.

[heavyD]

I see the vaccine manufacturers have plowed through the billions they made from the H1N1 farce and have now decided to unleash information of another deadly (lol) flu strain in hopes the sheep (you know all you tools in good health that lined up for the H1N1 vaccine costing the government millions of dollars willfully accepting god knows what into your body) will again panic and line up to consume more vaccine at the expense of taxpayers.:facepalm:

[Sugarphreak]

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[heavyD]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Well, as long as the Calgary Flames get their vaccinations ahead of everybody else I don't mind them using my tax dollars.

You lined up for the shot didn't you?

[ZenOps]

Originally posted by heavyD
I see the vaccine manufacturers have plowed through the billions they made from the H1N1 farce and have now decided to unleash information of another deadly (lol) flu strain in hopes the sheep (you know all you tools in good health that lined up for the H1N1 vaccine costing the government millions of dollars willfully accepting god knows what into your body) will again panic and line up to consume more vaccine at the expense of taxpayers.:facepalm:

No big deal its only A Billion or so. Obama lent half a billion to Solyndra and they never saw a single production run solar panel come out of it. A Billion won't even buy a single B2 bomber.

92 million won't even keep a community of 1,500 people at the survival level.

Lets keep things in perspective. A Billion might have been a lot way back in the year 2007, but not today.

Add: Peter Schiff and Sprott are buying $1.5 Billion worth of silver to add to his gold purchase earlier in the year.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by ZenOps
92 million won't even keep a community of 1,500 people at the survival level.


Well that right there is a whole nother kettle of fish son.

[NuclearPizzaMan]

Damn those "pro-Vax" people and their arrogance. Scientists, the CDC, Health Canada, the WHO... just a group of arrogant jerks who want us to pay money to evil PHARMA companies, who make MONEY on making vaccines. MY analysis shows how all these experts are wrong.

Clearly, a large conspiracy.

[alloroc]

Anyone else read Clancy's novel "Rainbow Six"?

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by NuclearPizzaMan
Damn those "pro-Vax" people and their arrogance. Scientists, the CDC, Health Canada, the WHO... just a group of arrogant jerks who want us to pay money to evil PHARMA companies, who make MONEY on making vaccines. MY analysis shows how all these experts are wrong.

Clearly, a large conspiracy.

Are you smart enough to read the whole thread?

[mark4091]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


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It will derail this thread further if I go on too much. If you're interested in this info look into "run from the cure" on youtube or Phoenixtears.ca



http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948

[LollerBrader]

Originally posted by mark4091



It will derail this thread further if I go on too much. If you're interested in this info look into "run from the cure" on youtube or Phoenixtears.ca



http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948

I gave the video 5 minutes of my precious time, most of which it burned up with clever graphics and intros.

Best I can tell, this video will tell me that marijuana derivatives will cure cancer, and many other diseases.

Such a Paneacea simply seems unbelievable to me.

I'm not anti-THC, but my bullshit-meter is redlining.