Im pissed i didnt get a car for christmas

[FoxTrot]

Boot camp anyone? so these rats can learn to respect the people who brought them into this world! Send them all to a third world country for a year. If theyre crying and pissed off now, theyve seen nothing yet. Buncha spoiled rotten teenagers who have no self respect or manners.

http://apina.biz/53280.jpg

http://termite.apcdn.com/full/53280.jpg

[J-D]

http://i.minus.com/iWEcdYjpBWbVl.png

[CanmoreOrLess]

I look forward to the well rounded adults these snot factories will become. Spoiled and disrespectful does not even describe them in full, their parents are striving to keep the bank from the front door and a decent job to pay the bills. Is it too late for a smack upside the head to tune these idiots around? Maybe a touch of cancer can give their little lives some meaning and depth. I doubt it though.

[Maybelater]

Those kids all deserve a beating.

[Markov7]

1st world problems :(

[Go4Long]

they should all be dropped off in central america for a while to teach them what it's like to not get what you need let alone what you want.

[J-D]

Originally posted by Go4Long
they should all be dropped off in central america for a while to teach them what it's like to not get what you need let alone what you want.

It's funny actually - when I went to South America I realized that despite "how little" a lot of the people had, everybody seemed to be a lot happier than people here in North America. :dunno:

[Go4Long]

because their kids aren't brought up in a society where TV tells them they deserve an iPhone, a new car, etc. They grow up in a society where you're when you're fed you're happy, it's a much nicer way of thinking in my opinion (not that I'd do it...I like my frickin stuff...just saying)

I've gotta figure out a way to teach my daughter to understand that in a few years :facepalm:

[swak]

Damn, yeah a few of clients I had at my old work were like this (largely why I left). Too many "high class" people think they are gods gift to the world and they are entitled to so much.

I was watching "operation Repo" last night, and its amazing how people will act with that entitlement mindset. The "I don't have to pay no bills, do you know who I am? I'm big in this area". That mindset will only get your car towed.

[Go4Long]

my favorite one to watching is Parking Wars. I find it to be a great barometer of how society is doing as a whole...bunch of whiney people bitching about how their car got ticketed. you parked in a fuckin handicap spot you frickin moron, just because you walk with a limp doesn't mean you're handicap.

/Rant

[J-D]

Originally posted by Go4Long
my favorite one to watching is Parking Wars. I find it to be a great barometer of how society is doing as a whole...bunch of whiney people bitching about how their car got ticketed. you parked in a fuckin handicap spot you frickin moron, just because you walk with a limp doesn't mean you're handicap.

/Rant

I've never parked in a Handicap spot in my life, but there have been a few times when I have shaken my head at people parking in them (who had passes).

I think my favorite was watching someone stumble to their car from the bar between 2-3am, parked in the handicap spot, and then proceed to drive home. As far as I could tell his only handicap was being piss-drunk.

[mark4091]

Cmon now. This reminds me of some emails I get from a certain demographic. It's a clever picture, that's it. Society is always give and take. As stated earlier in this thread these kids probably don't know real happiness and never will. Who's fault is that?

Too many parents now let the TV raise their kids, and I'm willing to bet they're the first ones jumping on the "oh back when I was young" train.

[Cos]

.

[J-hop]

Originally posted by swak
Damn, yeah a few of clients I had at my old work were like this (largely why I left). Too many "high class" people think they are gods gift to the world and they are entitled to so much.

I was watching "operation Repo" last night, and its amazing how people will act with that entitlement mindset. The "I don't have to pay no bills, do you know who I am? I'm big in this area". That mindset will only get your car towed.

You know that operation repo is a dramatization right? I tried to watch that show once because someone recommended it as a good new "reality" show. I couldn't even get through an episode it was so fake hahaha

But in some cases it probably isn't far off from the way some people in our world act. The problem isn't the young generation though, it's the people from the previous generation who had no right becoming parents and did anyways, these snotty kids are merely a symptom... IMO shitty kids are 99% of the time a result of poor parenting.

A couple people brought up the tv issue and having tv raise their kids. I think this is a huge part of it. My parents didn't get cable tv until the last year I was in their house and growing up the only tv i watched was at friends houses and family movie nights. I am amazed at the number of shitty parents who instead of interacting with their children in a meaningful way will instead throw on treehouse and let them zone out. It's even worse if you have a full time job because really you only have a few hours a week to instill your values in them. Why waste that important time with them watching tv?

[swak]

Originally posted by J-hop


You know that operation repo is a dramatization right? I tried to watch that show once because someone recommended it as a good new "reality" show. I couldn't even get through an episode it was so fake hahaha

But in some cases it probably isn't far off from the way some people in our world act. The problem isn't the young generation though, it's the people from the previous generation who had no right becoming parents and did anyways, these snotty kids are merely a symptom... IMO shitty kids are 99% of the time a result of poor parenting.

A couple people brought up the tv issue and having tv raise their kids. I think this is a huge part of it. My parents didn't get cable tv until the last year I was in their house and growing up the only tv i watched was at friends houses and family movie nights. I am amazed at the number of shitty parents who instead of interacting with their children in a meaningful way will instead throw on treehouse and let them zone out. It's even worse if you have a full time job because really you only have a few hours a week to instill your values in them. Why waste that important time with them watching tv?

haha... yea i realize that. it was mildly entertaining though with nothing else on. But yes, totally provoked drama every second.

BUT... on the other hand, i dont think parenting is 100% it. I grew up with both parents working FT jobs (dad working 6-6pm 5 days a week), and rarely seeing my parents. And i am very grateful for everything i have/have had in life. I feel as if i am very down to earth, laid back, and very respectful to everyone i meet.
So its not parenting that fails a generation. Now i don't know what the answer is, but i think theres more to it than that.

[SlickA70]

Originally posted by Go4Long
because their kids aren't brought up in a society where TV tells them they deserve an iPhone, a new car, etc. They grow up in a society where you're when you're fed you're happy, it's a much nicer way of thinking in my opinion (not that I'd do it...I like my frickin stuff...just saying)

I've gotta figure out a way to teach my daughter to understand that in a few years :facepalm:

Couldn't agree more.

This has to be one of the most aggravating threads I've read in a while.

I'm fairly content with just getting a nice "Hello" these days.

[n1zm0]

on top of first world problems, this is me-firster generation problems, the current western world generation of preteens and teens born from around 1990 and later impo are majority spoiled shits whose parents always bought into giving them the world when they throw a fit so in turn the world always owes them something for nothing and they go through life with this mentality, even one article i remember reading in the NYT that some 21-22 year olds in the work place get their parents to bitch to the bosses about why their child hasn't been getting a raise or promotion.

[phreezee]

I blame Apple marketing dept for this generation of lemmings.

[Super_Geo]

Come on, kids have always been like this... it's just now people can tweet about it and be heard by the world.

You don't think you or your friends didn't sound anything like this back in elementary school when Christmas morning rolled around and you got socks instead of a SNES?

Now, I will admit, their posts are pretty pathetic, but still... I can't imagine we were that much better.

[Modelexis]

Originally posted by mark4091
Society is always give and take

What society do you live in?

[mark4091]

Originally posted by Modelexis


What society do you live in?

Canadian.

[J-hop]

Originally posted by swak


haha... yea i realize that. it was mildly entertaining though with nothing else on. But yes, totally provoked drama every second.


sorry but just to be clear by dramatization I meant it is just actors acting out a fictional script (as they state at the beginning of the show). Nothing provoked about it haha, its basically a new age soap opera.

Or is that what you meant by provoked drama :confused:

[Kloubek]

When I was a kid, of course, we didn't have iphones. But if I was growing up with the technology we have today there is no way in hell I'd even consider asking my parents for something like an iphone. They probably would have put a lump of coal in my stocking just to teach me a lesson.

I think the fanciest thing I ever got for Christmas was a portable cassette player. No - not a Discman. Not even a Walkman. A fucking POS low-end cassette player about proportionate in both weight and dimensions to a brick.

And it was one of the best and most appreciated gifts I ever received.

[Z_Fan]

Well, fuck me!

I didn't get a car or an iPhone either.

[Modelexis]

Originally posted by mark4091
Canadian.

Canadian society is built on a government model of taking out loans and bribing citizens with treats such as 'free' healthcare, big govt pensions, wages for govt employees etc, subsidies for farmers and sports teams.

The only reason you think it's working is because you haven't seen the end result of hundreds of billions of dollars of national debt that one day our children will have to pay for all the handouts and free gifts that our society felt they were entitled to.

The canadian government has created an entire class of citizens reliant on welfare to live and has given them a false sense of entitlement. When the money runs out, when we one day have to face our debt we will see really what happens when you remove goodies from spoiled citizens. If you think a selfish text on twitter is unbelievable, stop sending out welfare checks or cut wages of teachers and police, or tell them there is no money for their pensions and you will really see what happens when you spoil a nation and solve problems in society with bribes.

You need to take another look at how our society operates at a fundamental level.

[cde1966]

Originally posted by swak
Damn, yeah a few of clients I had at my old work were like this (largely why I left). Too many "high class" people think they are gods gift to the world and they are entitled to so much.

I was watching "operation Repo" last night, and its amazing how people will act with that entitlement mindset. The "I don't have to pay no bills, do you know who I am? I'm big in this area". That mindset will only get your car towed.

You know that Operation Repo is just a bunch of actors right?, and not very good ones I might add. It's all fake and I wish people would stop watching that retarded show so they take it off the air.:facepalm:

Sorry kept reading and noticed that someone else mentioned that it's not real... either way...:facepalm:

[odin7]

I disagree that we were ever like "this". I'm not from Canada but came here at a very early age and the only piece of technology I was given was the original NES. Largely because my parents couldn't fork out 300 bucks a gift year after year. The original NES is the only system I had until I got a job and bought myself a PS2 and I would never hold that against my parents. I mean I remember sometimes I was upset that I didn't get the toy I wanted but not enough to say that I hate my parents. I was always grateful that they even got me a gift.. these kids are so fucking lost. I hope that some of those status updates are jokes.. maybe I'll understand it better when I have my own kids but for now I know I was never anything like them and I know many people around my age that are nothing like them too. Sitting back thinking about it I can only remember one childhood friend who seemed to have everything all the time but still he was grateful and today is an awesome human being. Can't see the brat's of today growing up to be like him as he loved/loves/will continue to love his parents until they die.

[rickthomasbb6]

I don't think you can blame the kids too much here. They are a product of their parents and it is the parents enabling that has instilled the sense of entitlement and the me, me, me attitude.

These kids never make it very far in life.

[Goodfella]

Kids have been brats and disappointed on Christmas day for decades the only major difference is now there is social media to amplify the fact!

And who is to say these kids won't make it far in life, if anything most will eventually learn the value of things in life and will do just fine. I know this because I was kid before and some of you were forgetting you were also too.

[rickthomasbb6]

Originally posted by Goodfella
Kids have been brats and disappointed on Christmas day for decades the only major difference is now there is social media to amplify the fact!

And who is to say these kids won't make it far in life, if anything most will eventually learn the value of things in life and will do just fine. I know this because I was kid before and some of you were forgetting you were also too.

You are wrong. You may also be an exception.

[mark4091]

Originally posted by Modelexis


Canadian society is built on a government model of taking out loans and bribing citizens with treats such as 'free' healthcare, big govt pensions, wages for govt employees etc, subsidies for farmers and sports teams.

The only reason you think it's working is because you haven't seen the end result of hundreds of billions of dollars of national debt that one day our children will have to pay for all the handouts and free gifts that our society felt they were entitled to.

The canadian government has created an entire class of citizens reliant on welfare to live and has given them a false sense of entitlement. When the money runs out, when we one day have to face our debt we will see really what happens when you remove goodies from spoiled citizens. If you think a selfish text on twitter is unbelievable, stop sending out welfare checks or cut wages of teachers and police, or tell them there is no money for their pensions and you will really see what happens when you spoil a nation and solve problems in society with bribes.

You need to take another look at how our society operates at a fundamental level.


Seeing as I wrote my original post quickly I won't attack you for picking out my give and take comment. However I don't think you interpreted my position to the best of your abilities either.

It doesn't matter what you believe of our government. The parents really do decide what to give and what to take. Parenting is a major part of any society.

I do understand how it is to look at the negatives, especially in a time where most people seem to care so little, but I don't think this is the right thread to debate those issues. You might find my position on those issues quite close to yours.

[Modelexis]

Originally posted by mark4091
Seeing as I wrote my original post quickly I won't attack you for picking out my give and take comment. However I don't think you interpreted my position to the best of your abilities either.

It doesn't matter what you believe of our government. The parents really do decide what to give and what to take. Parenting is a major part of any society.

I do understand how it is to look at the negatives, especially in a time where most people seem to care so little, but I don't think this is the right thread to debate those issues. You might find my position on those issues quite close to yours.

I could use the family as well to refute your claim that society is give and take, and I could use the OP in this thread as a piece of evidence.

I could use child abuse numbers, I could use spanking statistics, I could use statistics of pharmaceuticals administered to children for depression and anger and other emotional instabilities.

I could use school violence examples, or drug/alcohol statistics.

All that considered, would you still hold the position that parents give their fair share in their relationships with their children, which I would argue should be a relationship of mainly giving by the parent and reaping what they sow.

Government examples are not independent from any sort of family history, what about the parents on welfare? how can they teach their children virtue lessons while stealing money from society? How can the teacher tell the students not to steal lunch money from the wealthy children when their paycheck is redistributed from the wealthy?

These children are raised in government schools, how can the state have nothing to do with how they behave?

Our whole society is fucked up. So far your position seems quite weak, it would take a mountain of evidence to convince me that our society is mostly give and take, but I'm willing to hear your argument, there is always a chance that you have some information that I have overlooked in this area.

Here is a small sliver of my argument:
Sexual Assault in 2008
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85f0033m/2010023/ct006_en.gif

That's 50,000 REPORTED cases of sexual assault to children 3 years old in Canada in 2008.

Note(s): Excludes incidents where the sex and/or age of the victim was unknown. The Incident-based Uniform Crime Reporting Survey collected data from 155 police services, representing approximately 98% of the population of Canada in 2008. Rate per 100,000 population under 18 years of age for the geographic areas policed by the Incident-based Uniform Crime Reporting Survey respondents.
Source(s): Statistics Canada, Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics, Incident-based Uniform Crime Reporting Survey.

You basically have 5 000 children below the age of 18 sexually assaulted out of 100 000, so 1 in 20 below 18 has been sexually assaulted.

Give and take?

Good job Canadian parents, well done...

[K3RMiTdot]

what has become of this kids these days.. the fuck.

[clem24]

Originally posted by odin7
I mean I remember sometimes I was upset that I didn't get the toy I wanted but not enough to say that I hate my parents.

+1. At no point did I ever hate my parents. EVER. I might have been mad at them for some stuff, but I would never tell them fuck off or simply say "I hate you". But to be honest, I never even go to that point that I'd be mad at them for buying me things. I love my parents and they are still some of the most least selfish people I know (well, at least when it comes to their kids :rofl: ). I could only hope that I am as good a parent to my kids as they were to me.

[mark4091]

Originally posted by Modelexis


I could use the family as well to refute your claim that society is give and take, and I could use the OP in this thread as a piece of evidence.

I could use child abuse numbers, I could use spanking statistics, I could use statistics of pharmaceuticals administered to children for depression and anger and other emotional instabilities.

I could use school violence examples, or drug/alcohol statistics.

All that considered, would you still hold the position that parents give their fair share in their relationships with their children, which I would argue should be a relationship of mainly giving by the parent and reaping what they sow.

Government examples are not independent from any sort of family history, what about the parents on welfare? how can they teach their children virtue lessons while stealing money from society? How can the teacher tell the students not to steal lunch money from the wealthy children when their paycheck is redistributed from the wealthy?

These children are raised in government schools, how can the state have nothing to do with how they behave?

Our whole society is fucked up. So far your position seems quite weak, it would take a mountain of evidence to convince me that our society is mostly give and take, but I'm willing to hear your argument, there is always a chance that you have some information that I have overlooked in this area.

Here is a small sliver of my argument:
Sexual Assault in 2008
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85f0033m/2010023/ct006_en.gif

That's 50,000 REPORTED cases of sexual assault to children 3 years old in Canada in 2008.

Note(s): Excludes incidents where the sex and/or age of the victim was unknown. The Incident-based Uniform Crime Reporting Survey collected data from 155 police services, representing approximately 98% of the population of Canada in 2008. Rate per 100,000 population under 18 years of age for the geographic areas policed by the Incident-based Uniform Crime Reporting Survey respondents.
Source(s): Statistics Canada, Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics, Incident-based Uniform Crime Reporting Survey.

You basically have 5 000 children below the age of 18 sexually assaulted out of 100 000, so 1 in 20 below 18 has been sexually assaulted.

Give and take?

Good job Canadian parents, well done...


What is your position specific to the information given in the OP's post? are you blaming society? or parents? or both? I would say both play a part.

My original post was blaming the parents of the spoiled children. I could have gone into a rant on the governments failed role in raising generations of canadians, but I can't communicate directly with the government on beyond. I can hopefully as a younger person show that this picture is clearly being used to incite those who do not understand the complexities regarding the issue.



When we begin to discuss the topic of current/previous failures regarding government with direct effects on children the question is whether these actions are intentional?

[Modelexis]

Originally posted by mark4091
are you blaming society? or parents? or both? I would say both play a part.

My original post was blaming the parents of the spoiled children.

Parents and governments and kids are all part of society.
You used the word Society.
So when you say things like 'society is give and take' this is really a meaningless statement. I've already pointed out the degree to which our most major building blocks of society are NOT give and take, but rather corrupt and sick.

I'm simply pointing out that society is not give and take and the context in which you are using that statement seems now to be without any substance or meaning.

[mark4091]

Originally posted by Modelexis


Parents and governments and kids are all part of society.
You used the word Society.
So when you say things like 'society is give and take' this is really a meaningless statement. I've already pointed out the degree to which our most major building blocks of society are NOT give and take, but rather corrupt and sick.

I'm simply pointing out that society is not give and take and the context in which you are using that statement seems now to be without any substance or meaning.

Even the most corrupt politicians have to put the effort into a good lie. Some justification for the compromise. Corruption is introduced to us with some form of "this will make it better because" or "we have to invade because they have weapons of mass destruction" (I know not Canada, but easily the most corrupt example). It shows to me that all humans want to believe they come out on top, and this is how we have become who we are as a society.


Don't the laws of this country take some form of compromise into account? you have the freedom to drive your car, but you do not have the freedom to drive impaired or you will be punished?


If we did a national poll, and the question was "are you happy living in canadian society" what would the results tell us? if the vast majority are happy with the freedoms the system gives them, and are willing to accept what is taken from them in order to maintain this lifestyle isn't that give and take?


I'm not doubting the slow boiling of the frog here, but I'm saying at the very least if it is not a proper give and take relationship, most people still believe it is. Who dictates whether it is or is not? isn't that dependant upon an individuals ability to gauge pro's and con's?


Call it what you want to call it. I see the vast majority pleased with the small amounts given to them, and they are willing to pay the price for it.

[Modelexis]

Well said, and I agree that when we use words like freedom and enjoyment we are always speaking relatively and so if we want to determine whether we are free or not we need to first agree on a level of freedom that we call our standard and base our judgement against that standard.

If you ask Canadians to judge their lifestyle based on the only life they've ever known is like asking a fish to judge swimming in water to jogging out of water, it's impossible to make an accurate conclusion with a bias that forces you to look at your current situation as the best.

Even in the realm of sports, people with bias to one sports team for whatever reason will say that their team is better even though they lose most every game in a season. They justify this by creating a new way of judging a team other than points scored in a season.

In terms of freedom and give and take, if we compare Canada to NK we would probably call ourselves more free and more reliant on give and take. Koreans would probably have a different opinion, and if we were born in NK we might have another opinion as well.

When I talk about freedom and give and take I'm generally comparing it to a standard that is not absolute freedom but simply to a life that operates on a fundamentally mutual relationship and a fundamentally voluntary society. I don't think I can use any existing societies as an example for various reasons, mostly being that all modern societies have a central authority at the moment.

The closest thing I can compare my standard of freedom to would be my daily life as an adult with taxation aside, my interactions with other people in society at the moment is my standard of freedom.

So if I use my standard of say my relationship with my insurance agency to the building blocks of our society, the family and the government, now we can really compare objective standards to each other and see if the building blocks of society is free relative to my idea of freedom that I live out in my personal life. Just like my personal life I have car break ins and things stolen etc. so I'm by no means calling this standard one of perfection, but merely one of reality and how real life works and how we operate on a personal level as adults for the most part. So don't think I'm creating a perfect society, I'm merely starting with a free base and building from that and the society may have it's fair share of problems but at the core you will still have the same level of non violence in much the same way we live our daily lives.

Once you find yourself at the end of that road you can return to the question of 'why do we have so many problems in society?'
This is where my conclusion has led me and based on my standard of freedom and the massive deviation from this standard as taken by the building blocks of our society you can easily see where the problem lies for me. I'm not saying your standard of freedom or a healthy society has to match mine, but we do have to establish a standard and use it to bring context to our discussion and to find a clear answer to the question of whether or not our society is fundamentally give and take.