Race car for casual street driving

[M.alex]

Assume both would cost ~80k to build, strictly for casual street driving.

LMP - 700hp, 1800lb curb weight

http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/other/1324502620/1324502620lc.jpg

917 - 350hp, 1800 curb weight

http://project917xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.homestead.com/files/LMK34Fr150_.JPG

Having a bugger of a time choosing - it comes down to a 917 is a fk'en 917 (lol), but the engine selections suck ass on it (porsche air cooled 6cylinder only). On the other hand an LMP is awesome and has an awesome engine selection, but it isn't a 917.

:dunno:

[sr20s14zenki]

Top one hands down, bottom is ugly IMO

[realazy]

Bottom, because it has a roof.

[racerjim]

top one because it doesn't have a roof, and twice the HP

[soloracer]

Originally posted by M.alex
Assume both would cost ~80k to build, strictly for casual street driving.

LMP - 700hp, 1800lb curb weight

http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/other/1324502620/1324502620lc.jpg

917 - 350hp, 1800 curb weight

http://project917xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.homestead.com/files/LMK34Fr150_.JPG

Having a bugger of a time choosing - it comes down to a 917 is a fk'en 917 (lol), but the engine selections suck ass on it (porsche air cooled 6cylinder only). On the other hand an LMP is awesome and has an awesome engine selection, but it isn't a 917.

:dunno:

917's had flat 12's that made up to 1500 hp in turbocharged form.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

I love how easy it has become to identify M.alex threads by title only.

[soloracer]

Does this mean the Superlite is done? Or is it a lost cause?

[Mibz]

Didn't we have this exact thread last year? And the year before?

[Euro_Trash]

917 please

[swak]

917. No question

[soloracer]

http://www.canepa.com/about/video_Porsche917_10.html

917 for sure

[J-hop]

Originally posted by Mibz
Didn't we have this exact thread last year? And the year before?

sure feels like it. Neither of those looks drivable anywhere near calgary haha. but if I had to choose I'd say the bottom one. I think i'd laugh my ass off if I saw someone street driving the top one in calgary.

on a side note 80k doesn't sounds like much, are these cheap chinese replicas? or is this a fiero kit :barf:

[nismodrifter]

Originally posted by Mibz
Didn't we have this exact thread last year? And the year before?

Werd.

OP is a phaggot.

[turbotrip]

Originally posted by nismodrifter


Werd.

OP is a phaggot.

co-sign

but to answer the question; first one

[Ukyo8]

Why would you want a race car for casual street driving? :rofl:

[xnvy]

Originally posted by Ukyo8
Why would you want a race car for casual street driving? :rofl: What I was thinking, especially the first one. You would probably catch a ton of rocks in the mouth.

[CMW403]

Its been a long time since OP has whipped out his cock, give him a break.

How is this even a question? People are gonna laugh in your fuckin face if you are calling a 350hp replica a "Racecar". Plus, how are you gonna show everyone your biceps if you have a roof on your car? LMP all the way.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by nismodrifter


Werd.

OP is a phaggot. :rofl:

Hey 2EFNFAST, is your home made car finally done?

[Sugarphreak]

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[hurrdurr]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
haha, I suppose if somebody had a gun to my head and I had to pick one of them to drive casually on the street, I am going to go with the 917... not for any other reason except it has a roof, and it tends to rain a lot unexpectedly here.

lol, wtf kind of thread is this anyway? Who in their right mind would drive either of these "strictly for casual street driving"? :rofl:

Someone with a small dick, and as many friends as seats!

[arian_ma]

He trolled ya'll again

[J-hop]

Originally posted by arian_ma
He trolled ya'll again

What I find hilarious is that people think they've trolled a bunch of people yet they've actually trolled themselves. What do you think it says about you if people actually believe you are legitimately asking such a stupid question...

[kvg]

Could you reach the peddles on either:dunno:

[M.alex]

Originally posted by soloracer


917's had flat 12's that made up to 1500 hp in turbocharged form.

I'm not made of money :nut:


Originally posted by Mibz
Didn't we have this exact thread last year? And the year before?

No - last year was 917 vs 964. I opted for the 917.

The year before was Lola T70 vs SLC - I bought the SLC.

Going to purchase one of the above in the next 2mths or so, I can't just can't decide. The strengths of one (it's a 917) are the weaknesses of the other (it's not a 917). And the inverse holds true (one can use an awesome engine relatively cheap, the other can't)


Originally posted by soloracer
Does this mean the Superlite is done? Or is it a lost cause?

It's done-ish. I just need the engine. But I'm not going to keep twiddling my thumbs waiting for HKE to finish the damn engine

Eventually the engine will be finished and shipped, then the car will be finished.

[J-hop]

wait so this isn't actually a troll thread??? Man the things you could do with 80k that would put both those kits to shame :confused: to each his own I guess...

[M.alex]

Originally posted by J-hop
wait so this isn't actually a troll thread??? Man the things you could do with 80k that would put both those kits to shame :confused: to each his own I guess...

Do go on......

[Arash Boodagh]

The best way to execute such a race car dream would be to import the following kit car (totals $45k) but without the body and come back for more advice.
Personally I would make something like the Audi r18

http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/race-car-replicas-rcr-superlight-coupe_100191117_m.jpg
http://race-car-replicas.com/rcrp.html

9FYd5Yamg34

on the street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_G9pUojHzQ


They actually sell the 917 too
http://race-car-replicas.com/images/917tube.jpg
http://race-car-replicas.com/rcr917.html

[Errol.]

Originally posted by Arash Boodagh
The best way to execute such a race car dream would be to import the following kit car (totals $45k) but without the body and come back for more advice.
Personally I would make something like the Audi r18

http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/race-car-replicas-rcr-superlight-coupe_100191117_m.jpg
http://race-car-replicas.com/rcrp.html

9FYd5Yamg34

on the street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_G9pUojHzQ


They actually sell the 917 too
http://race-car-replicas.com/images/917tube.jpg
http://race-car-replicas.com/rcr917.html

If i remember correctly, op already has a superlite

[msommers]

Fuck all these guys just get a custom 300zx. I know a guy.

[streethondas]

Originally posted by msommers
Fuck all these guys just get a custom 300zx. I know a guy.

I know a guy who knows a guy who made his own Cnc machine to make a model car 300zx to make money to make a life size 300zx:rolleyes:

[M.alex]

Originally posted by Arash Boodagh
The best way to execute such a race car dream would be to import the following kit car (totals $45k) but without the body and come back for more advice.
Personally I would make something like the Audi r18

http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/race-car-replicas-rcr-superlight-coupe_100191117_m.jpg
http://race-car-replicas.com/rcrp.html

9FYd5Yamg34

on the street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_G9pUojHzQ


They actually sell the 917 too
http://race-car-replicas.com/images/917tube.jpg
http://race-car-replicas.com/rcr917.html

You mean like this?

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww89/efnfast/view1.jpg

[Rat Fink]

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[M.alex]

Originally posted by Rat Fink
C'mon, tell the truth...you are planning on using those bolts you bought for a swing set :rofl:

My plan has been discovered :cry:

[Arash Boodagh]

Oh, I saw the picture of it... if you do own a Superlite kit car, then you can just make a new customized shell/design to be bolted on the chassis... this way you can invest in a really good engine and also change different body designs like you would with shoes when you go out.

With those saving then maybe you can experiment with a kit car from Seattle that is said to be the lightest chassis for a street legal crash rated car.
It costs $25k and its suspension, engine, and body are said to be interchangeable too.
http://www.youtube.com/WIKISPEED

http://www.wikispeed.com/Sites/5/SiteImages/body4.jpg

[Sugarphreak]

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[n1zm0]

where's your years old project OP, i'ms too lazy to find your build thread but i forgot about it up until this trolling

edit: nvm i see you posted a pic of it, update the build thread!

[Tomaz]

Originally posted by Arash Boodagh


Oh man. As soon as I saw this guy post, I couldn't help choke on my coffee. haha


Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Arn't these about 80K?
(And they come with an engine!)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/KTM_X-Bow_Front.jpg/655px-KTM_X-Bow_Front.jpg

Ok, that thing is damn sweet!
There is also and Ariel Atom V8 supercharged that should be some fun! How about a Lotus Seven?

In all seriousness though, I would go for the LMP. Just because it will take longer to get bored of that horsepower. If the Porsche had about the same power, it would win hands down.

[M.alex]

Originally posted by Tomaz

If the Porsche had about the same power, it would win hands down.

It would, no doubt, but you don't want to see the $$$$ involved to do it :/

[ercchry]

so... why cant you dump a V8 into the 917?

[M.alex]

Originally posted by ercchry
so... why cant you dump a V8 into the 917?

$$$$ to modify the chassis for fitment

$$$$$$$$$ to get cooling setup properly - you're very restricted on how to cool it, and it doesn't appear you can run a whole lot of (V8) power in it without running into cooling issues.

[soloracer]

Just go with a turbocharger like they did on the 917/30 and you should have no problem getting 700 hp.

[M.alex]

Originally posted by soloracer
Just go with a turbocharger like they did on the 917/30 and you should have no problem getting 700 hp.

boost is cheating though; I prefer BIG cubes :(

how much $$ would it be to turbo an air cooled flat 6? I only know how much ($$$$*$$$$$$$$$$) it would be to get 400hp n/a out of one.

[962 kid]

Originally posted by M.alex


boost is cheating though; I prefer BIG cubes :(

how much $$ would it be to turbo an air cooled flat 6? I only know how much ($$$$*$$$$$$$$$$) it would be to get 400hp n/a out of one.

Anything over ~400hp is big bucks on the air cooled 6, even for turbo engines

[M.alex]

Originally posted by 962 kid


Anything over ~400hp is big bucks on the air cooled 6, even for turbo engines

I hate porsche :(

[J-hop]

Originally posted by M.alex


boost is cheating though; I prefer BIG cubes :(

how much $$ would it be to turbo an air cooled flat 6? I only know how much ($$$$*$$$$$$$$$$) it would be to get 400hp n/a out of one.


not really cheating, I laugh when people say boost is the replacement for displacement, I met a local person a few years back who broke a dyno in calgary with his turboed 572 big block. Car was estimated at 1400+ whp..... boost isn't cheating it just compliments big cubes.


You can't really just straight up turbo a flat 6 without any internal work (if you want it to be a worth while project), and internal mods on air cooleds as mentioned are big money.

[962 kid]

Originally posted by J-hop
You can't really just straight up turbo a flat 6 without any internal work (if you want it to be a worth while project), and internal mods on air cooleds as mentioned are big money.

Internals are fine, 930 stuff is super stout. The money comes in when it comes time to ditch the CIS injection and switch over to full EFI.

[J-hop]

Originally posted by 962 kid


Internals are fine, 930 stuff is super stout. The money comes in when it comes time to ditch the CIS injection and switch over to full EFI.

Is he talking 930 though, I thought the motors put in 930s were already boosted. I wouldn't ever recommend doing a +T on an NA air cooled without fully forged internals, beefed up casing and all the other goodies like sodium filled valves (or equivalent). That is though only if you want the project to be worthwhile and run a respectable amount of boost you could probably run low boost for a while w/o any internal work on an NA flat six.

What would make the CIS to efi so expensive??? Run some fully programmable efi system and even with the cost of custom manifolds to fit efi injectors you could still do it for 5-6k probably.

[962 kid]

Originally posted by J-hop


Is he talking 930 though, I thought the motors put in 930s were already boosted. I wouldn't ever recommend doing a +T on an NA air cooled without fully forged internals, beefed up casing and all the other goodies like sodium filled valves (or equivalent). That is though only if you want the project to be worthwhile and run a respectable amount of boost you could probably run low boost for a while w/o any internal work on an NA flat six.

What would make the CIS to efi so expensive??? Run some fully programmable efi system and even with the cost of custom manifolds to fit efi injectors you could still do it for 5-6k probably.

Doesn't make sense to start with anything but a 930 motor. CIS to EFI gets pricey when you have to pay someone else to do the work ;) besides, the conversion itself is only part of the equation. Getting the engine over 400hp still requires a new turbo, intercooler, plumbing, Carrera intake manifolds for the EFI, and a handful of other items to fit into the 917 frame.

[J-hop]

Yea I agree with starting with a 930 turbo motor, I see where the miscommunication was, someone mentioned the turbo 6 and the op started asking about turboing an NA 6 so I got confused.

I assume the OP has some cash to blow as no one strapped for cash drops 80k on a car that is going to be useless in Calgary. But yea to buy the kit and build a turbo flat 6 set up for 80k might be tight.

[Abeo]

Originally posted by M.alex

Having a bugger of a time choosing - it comes down to a 917 is a fk'en 917 (lol), but the engine selections suck ass on it (porsche air cooled 6cylinder only). On the other hand an LMP is awesome and has an awesome engine selection, but it isn't a 917.

:dunno:

It isn't a 917, its a kit car that looks like a 917. Its about as cool as saying you had sex with someone who looks like Farrah Fawcett.

[Cody D]

Originally posted by Abeo
It isn't a 917, its a kit car that looks like a 917. Its about as cool as saying you had sex with someone who looks like Farrah Fawcett.

Agreed, kit cars that mimic other cars are lame. Original design kit cars like the Superlight and the Ultima GTR are so much better.

[M.alex]

Originally posted by Cody D


Agreed, kit cars that mimic other cars are lame. Original design kit cars like the Superlight and the Ultima GTR are so much better.

Noob; superlite isn't original; see Mazda Kudzu :rofl:

[Cody D]

Originally posted by M.alex


Noob; superlite isn't original; see Mazda Kudzu :rofl:

I threw Superlite in there so you wouldn't feel bad that everyone thinks you're a moron, no good deed goes unpunished.

[M.alex]

Originally posted by Cody D


I threw Superlite in there so you wouldn't feel bad that everyone thinks you're a moron, no good deed goes unpunished.

You know how many completely original designed component supercars, that arn't built by Arashashasaki Booger, are out there? *crickets*

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Super 7 with 400+ HP would be fun...

[Sliver]

Originally posted by Abeo


It isn't a 917, its a kit car that looks like a 917. Its about as cool as saying you had sex with someone who looks like Farrah Fawcett.

Farrah Fawcett? Good god, how old are you?

[Abeo]

Originally posted by Sliver


Farrah Fawcett? Good god, how old are you?

Porsche 917 = 70's icon. Farrah Fawcett = 70's icon. I hope that wasn't lost on anyone :dunno:

[GTS4tw]

Originally posted by Abeo


Porsche 917 = 70's icon. Farrah Fawcett = 70's icon. I hope that wasn't lost on anyone :dunno:

I got it.....but im old as dirt :cry:

[ekguy]

get this and stop starting these annoying threads... (http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&postid=3848431#post3848431)