New home rough in question (pics)

[supe]

Hi beyonders,

I am in the process of buying a home. The home is claimed to have a toilet rough-in in the undeveloped basement. Both our realtor and our home inspector did not see this rough in. The sellers agent insisted there was, so this morning our realtor went and took pictures of what is claimed to be a rough in. I know a typical rough in looks like a pipe that sticks out of the ground with a cap on it. Take a look below:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3835/download1ts.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/download1ts.jpg/)

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7583/download2vw.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/198/download2vw.jpg/)

Can this be used to build a washroom out of? Any info is greatly appreciated!

[Tik-Tok]

Lol, that is NOT a toilet rough in. The cap you see is for inspection and clearing obstructions. The realtor is a friggin moron.

[lauphman]

With a jack hammer it could be lol. There's usually a 4" pipe sticking up thru the floor about a foot high, next to it a 2" pipe and around the same area a grey floor cover flush with the floor which has a 1 1/2 " pipe for the tub. All within 5' of each other. If this is a newer home it's odd to not have it roughed in.

Looks like the house was built in 98 And basement rough ins weren't the norm back then like they are now. Realtor doesn't know what he's talking about.

[benyl]

that's a clean out, not a rough in.

[supe]

The house was built in 97 and yes our realtor is also saying that is a clean out.

[supe]

Any idea on how much it would cost to do the rough in?

[Fred]

with the rough in do they have to supply you with an exhaust vent?

[benyl]

Depends on how far it is from the main line and how much concrete you need to jack hammer.

[Darell_n]

Look for any square plastic access covers in the floor. You may have capped off rough-in lines there.

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by Darell_n
Look for any square plastic access covers in the floor. You may have capped off rough-in lines there.
Those are clean-outs as well.

Just call a plumber and have him come and give you an estimate. No one on here can give you an accurate estimate. Too many variables.
There's no way around it, you will be cutting concrete, cutting framing, jack hammering, and digging. It wont be cheap. More than $1,000 - less than $5,000...maybe.

[Darell_n]

Originally posted by C_Dave45

Those are clean-outs as well.

Just call a plumber and have him come and give you an estimate. No one on here can give you an accurate estimate. Too many variables.
There's no way around it, you will be cutting concrete, cutting framing, jack hammering, and digging. It wont be cheap. More than $1,000 - less than $5,000...maybe.

No. My basement had a branch off the main line through a check-valve (access cover) to a capped underground 4" and capped underground 2" (two more access covers) and both pre-vented up through the exterior wall. Regardless, they never end up being located where you want them.

[lauphman]

^^ have never seen that before lol. But basic rough in will run in the 2g range.

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by Darell_n


No. My basement had a branch off the main line through a check-valve (access cover) to a capped underground 4" and capped underground 2" (two more access covers) and both pre-vented up through the exterior wall.
Regardless, they never end up being located where you want them.

So looking for plastic covers is pretty much a moot point then isn't it? Here, let me re-phrase it, so that the advice is a little more helpful to the OP:


Originally posted by C_Dave45

Just call a plumber and have him come and give you an estimate. No one on here can give you an accurate estimate. Too many variables.
There's no way around it, you will be cutting concrete, cutting framing, jack hammering, and digging. It wont be cheap. More than $1,000 - less than $5,000...maybe.

Better?

[spacerz]

Originally posted by Darell_n


Yup, this guy is speaking the truth.

[sillysod]

My basement had the plywood covers over the toilet and tub drains in my basement. Our house is 2004

[benyl]

ok Here is a toilet rough-in and a sink rough-in with a vent stack going up to the roof.

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd364/bwinkelm/8ed95038.jpg

Here's the shower drain cover in the same roughed in washroom under the stud. haha

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd364/bwinkelm/7eb96f5a.jpg

Here are the cleanouts in my storage room:
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd364/bwinkelm/1189e024.jpg

Here is another cleanout. Notice, no venting.
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd364/bwinkelm/5b12df6d.jpg

[supe]

Thanks everyone for the help. The sellers have agreed to cut us a cheque for the missing rough in.

[pea_soup]

Are the studs on the floor pressure treated or are they regular studs without a gasket? I'd seriously look into that as well.

[supe]

I seriously have no idea what you're talking about but why do you say?

[pea_soup]

The proper way to install wooden studs in a basement is to use a gasket between the stud that is in direct contact with the concrete as concrete will transfer a lot of moisture to the studs that are directly joined to it.

I really can't tell if they used pressure treated lumber or not though. Either way that is still a cheap way of doing it and still not proper.

[benyl]

Haha, I think he is talking about my house, in my pictures.

There is a plastic gasket and pressure treated wood.

[barmanjay]

Originally posted by pea_soup
The proper way to install wooden studs in a basement is to use a gasket between the stud that is in direct contact with the concrete as concrete will transfer a lot of moisture to the studs that are directly joined to it.

I really can't tell if they used pressure treated lumber or not though. Either way that is still a cheap way of doing it and still not proper.

If the house was built pre 2005/6 that was not a requirement to have pressure treated wood nor a vapour barrier/gasket between the bottom plate and concrete.

[mr2mike]

Originally posted by Fred
with the rough in do they have to supply you with an exhaust vent?
Nope.
Concrete cutting is expensive. If you can run through the joists and outside through wood, siding/stucco it makes it a DIY project if you know how.