Here's a traffic question for ya.....

[C_Dave45]

Hopefully any CPS can clarify.

First off...how are lanes numbered? Right to left or left to right?
Ie; on a four-lane, two-way road, what is the #1 lane...curb lane?

Okay, so keep that in mind:

You're EB on 17th Ave, turning left onto NB McLeod...what lane are you (black Mazda) supposed to turn into, and which lane would someone in the 17th Ave curb lane turn into?

http://i44.tinypic.com/141pr2x.jpg



http://i43.tinypic.com/2z9l9jl.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/1ftybp.jpg


(Going to get popcorn now)

[max_boost]

Black Mazda 1st or 2nd lane.
The other vehicle into the 3rd or 4th.

Depending which lane I need to get into. I don't remember drivers ed but that's how I've always done it. :werd: :drama:

[FraserB]

Right to left starting in the curb lane and ending at the center line for a two way. NB Macleod is 1-2-3-4 from the right hand side. EB 17th is 1-2 and WB 17th is 1-2.

Since you have to turn into the corresponding lane from which you came, I believe the Mazda is correct.

Left onto NB Macleod is a dual turn right? The Mazda goes into the lane he is in and a car in the curb lane of EB 17th turning left goes into the curb lane of NB Macleod.



Hers's another. Is it legal to turn left on a red going from a one way to a one way?

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by max_boost
Black Mazda 1st or 2nd lane.
The other vehicle into the 3rd or 4th.

Depending which lane I need to get into. I don't remember drivers ed but that's how I've always done it. :werd: :drama:

You're always supposed to turn into the lane closest, so Mazda into far left, other vehicle into 2nd furthest left.

Any particular reason why Dave, or were you just google mapping, and saw the Mazda's inappropriate lane change?

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by FraserB
Right to left starting in the curb lane and ending attl the center line for a two way. Since you have to turn into the corresponding lane from which you came, I believe the Mazda is correct.
Makes sense....
But what ALSO makes sense is; Mazda turns into corresponding lane, far left into far left (90 degree turn similar to a curb to curb right hand turn) and the 17th Ave curb lane turns into the 2nd-from-left-lane of McLeod.
(*edit: Like Tik-Tok describes above)

IS there a right answer? Who's to blame if the Mazda smacks into a car that was in the curb lane and decided to turn into the same lane as Mazda?

Traffic cops....? Can you chime in here? I'm curious.

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


You're always supposed to turn into the lane closest, so Mazda into far left, other vehicle into 2nd furthest left.

Any particular reason why Dave, or were you just google mapping, and saw the Mazda's inappropriate lane change?

Nah..just watching the same discussion unfold on another forum and its hilarious watching all the responses.
Entertainment. Nothing more, nothing less. :rofl:

[Tik-Tok]

From drivers handbook

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u64/TykTauk/leftturn.png

[FraserB]

I stand corrected.

So the Mazda has to go into lane 4 and if there is a car turning left from the curb lane of EB 17th, they go into lane 3.

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok
From drivers handbook

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u64/TykTauk/leftturn.png

Geeze. Beauty! End of thread! lol.

I couldn't be bothered to hunt down the drivers handbook. Nice one Tik.

[max_boost]

Shit I can't drive. I've been doing it my way for the past 14.5 years! :eek: and many many times down that road :rofl:

[Kloubek]

Nice post Tik. I was beginning to wonder if I've been driving around for two decades without a clue... but as it turns out, I've always been doing it correctly.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by FraserB



Hers's another. Is it legal to turn left on a red going from a one way to a one way? Closest to the curb? Downtown? I do it all the time. Although there are some signs up on 9th if you are in the middle and far lanes where it says you can't.

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by FraserB
Hers's another. Is it legal to turn left on a red going from a one way to a one way?

No, perfectly legal.

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by C_Dave45


No, perfectly legal.

Yup. Unless there is a sign saying you can't. (Often there is downtown)

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by Kloubek


Yup. Unless there is a sign saying you can't. (Often there is downtown)

LOL...speaking of which; This is a funny one. I ALWAYS see people turning on red here.

Right turn on red (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=50.988328,-114.0511&spn=0.003431,0.010568&hnear=12724+Cannington+Way+SW,+Calgary,+Alberta+T2W+3G1&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=50.988347,-114.052967&panoid=07fFL-kLDE0tAwdVHIcr_A&cbp=12,274.79,,0,5.67)

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by C_Dave45


LOL...speaking of which; This is a funny one. I ALWAYS see people turning on red here.

Right turn on red (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=50.988328,-114.0511&spn=0.003431,0.010568&hnear=12724+Cannington+Way+SW,+Calgary,+Alberta+T2W+3G1&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=50.988347,-114.052967&panoid=07fFL-kLDE0tAwdVHIcr_A&cbp=12,274.79,,0,5.67)

I've been honked at for not turning when it's red there, lol.

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


I've been honked at for not turning when it's red there, lol.
HAHAHA...me too!! I come out of there almost every day (suppliers in the area) and the funniest is when there is absolutely NO traffic coming up Blackfoot, not a car in sight. And you're sitting there twiddling your thumbs. *HONNNNNNNK*!!! rofl

[?????]

What about here? Dual Right Turn (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=51.016991,-114.077885&spn=0.001412,0.002411&hnear=12724+Cannington+Way+SW,+Calgary,+Alberta+T2W+3G1&t=h&layer=c&cbll=51.017085,-114.07791&panoid=ayOXOUaKa0U31sl-P6ga-g&cbp=12,323.06,,0,18.81&z=19)

I always see people making dual right turns on red. No sign.

[Tomaz]

17th onto MacLeod used to have painted line for traffic to follow. They are worn down by now, but it would direct that black Mazda into lane 2.


Ok, how about MacLead NB turning right onto 5th ST Downtown: If in lane 3, can you turn right on the red light?

[Masked Bandit]

Originally posted by C_Dave45


LOL...speaking of which; This is a funny one. I ALWAYS see people turning on red here.

Right turn on red (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=50.988328,-114.0511&spn=0.003431,0.010568&hnear=12724+Cannington+Way+SW,+Calgary,+Alberta+T2W+3G1&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=50.988347,-114.052967&panoid=07fFL-kLDE0tAwdVHIcr_A&cbp=12,274.79,,0,5.67)

Ya mean right there where the sign says "no right hand turns on a red light"? It's amazing at how many people don't read the road signs. I can just picture someone sitting there with the right hand turn signal on (red light), waiting like they're supposed to with some impatient jerk behind them honking & fuming.

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by ?????
What about here? Dual Right Turn (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=51.016991,-114.077885&spn=0.001412,0.002411&hnear=12724+Cannington+Way+SW,+Calgary,+Alberta+T2W+3G1&t=h&layer=c&cbll=51.017085,-114.07791&panoid=ayOXOUaKa0U31sl-P6ga-g&cbp=12,323.06,,0,18.81&z=19)

I always see people making dual right turns on red. No sign.

Legal

[clem24]

Originally posted by Kloubek


Yup. Unless there is a sign saying you can't. (Often there is downtown)

Actually there aren't really that many. I can think of 1 place off my top of my head: 3rd st SB onto 9th Ave EB (Banker's).

It really pisses me off how many people refuse to turn on a red, as well as the amount of people who are unaware they can also do this in a dual turn as well.

And back on topic... Turning into improper lanes is definitely one of my pet peeves. I think this takes the cake for most popular thing to do, with not signaling for a lane change being #2. The worst for this improper turn is 8th st. NB onto 4th Ave WB during the PM rush.

[Ntense_SpecV]

Originally posted by clem24

The worst for this improper turn is 8th st. NB onto 4th Ave WB during the PM rush.

I watch the fun unfold every single day. I can't believe the amount of people that block off complete lanes because they want to turn into another lane that they are not designated to turn into. And then get angry if they get honked at. I'm honestly suprised there isn't an accident every single day at this intersection.

[Tarrantula]

Originally posted by max_boost
Shit I can't drive. I've been doing it my way for the past 14.5 years! :eek: and many many times down that road :rofl:

Yes im a dick first off - But I will cut to lane 3 (2nd from left) if im in the outside turn - why? Cause thats how I was taught. I've been almost hit about 200 times - but hey - Not my lesson to learn, yours when you pay for a new paintjob on my whole drivers side :)

[?????]

Originally posted by C_Dave45



Originally posted by ?????
What about here? Dual Right Turn (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=51.016991,-114.077885&spn=0.001412,0.002411&hnear=12724+Cannington+Way+SW,+Calgary,+Alberta+T2W+3G1&t=h&layer=c&cbll=51.017085,-114.07791&panoid=ayOXOUaKa0U31sl-P6ga-g&cbp=12,323.06,,0,18.81&z=19)

I always see people making dual right turns on red. No sign.



Legal


100%? Its like turning from a one way to a two way but a right turn instead. According to that manual that was posted you should only turn from the right lane onto the right lane, if it was red.

[Unknown303]

The thing I always wonder about this though is if the curb lane is also a parking lane during portions of the day do you turn to the next lane over with the vehicle to your right turning into the 2nd lane? (4 lane one way onto another 4 lane one way)

Which I imagine would kind of work like this turn out of bridgeland.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=51.053282,-114.051273&spn=0.000003,0.002972&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=51.053282,-114.051273&panoid=8g-oEtrU1hJ9OKPt1zLbXw&cbp=12,267.12,,0,7.47

Left lane turns into the second from the left lane, right lane turns into the second from the right. This is how the ultra faded lines on the street show it going down BTW.

[Moonracer]

The rule is that if there is a parked car or other obstacle in the curb lane then the next lane over to it is the 1st driving lane and you take that.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by ?????




Legal


100%? Its like turning from a one way to a two way but a right turn instead. According to that manual that was posted you should only turn from the right lane onto the right lane, if it was red. [/B][/QUOTE]

yeah that one has always baffled me, why is the light there if you can turn on red? :nut:

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by ?????

100%? Its like turning from a one way to a two way but a right turn instead. According to that manual that was posted you should only turn from the right lane onto the right lane, if it was red.
:facepalm: :rolleyes:


Originally posted by ercchry

yeah that one has always baffled me, why is the light there if you can turn on red? :nut:

Uhhhh.....so you have to come to a complete stop and check for no cars before proceeding to turn, just like any other normal right-turn-on-red. :dunno:
I can't believe that intersection is even a discussion!

[clem24]

Originally posted by Moonracer
The rule is that if there is a parked car or other obstacle in the curb lane then the next lane over to it is the 1st driving lane and you take that.

That's why they call it "turn into the first available lane".


Originally posted by Ntense_SpecV
I watch the fun unfold every single day. I can't believe the amount of people that block off complete lanes because they want to turn into another lane that they are not designated to turn into. And then get angry if they get honked at. I'm honestly suprised there isn't an accident every single day at this intersection.

The city really needs to re-paint the turn lanes... The right most lane of 8th should turn into the right most lane of 4th. The middle lane should have a choice of the 2 middle lanes, and the left most lane of 8th should turn into the left most lane of 4th. Except of course, the City has probably figured out that Calgary drivers would be too stupid to figure this out even if it was painted bright yellow and pink with 5 signs posted.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by max_boost
Shit I can't drive. I've been doing it my way for the past 14.5 years! :eek: and many many times down that road :rofl:

Because everyone is doing it wrong.

If you ever try to go from lane 1 of 17th and into lane 2 of Macleod like the driver's handbook, you would have been hit or very least road rage from guy in lane 2 of 17th.

[Moonracer]

Originally posted by clem24


That's why they call it "turn into the first available lane".

Oooops I left out "within half a block"

The rule is that if there is a parked car or other obstacle within half a block in the curb lane then the next lane over to it is the 1st driving lane and you take that.

[?????]

Originally posted by C_Dave45

:facepalm: :rolleyes:



Uhhhh.....so you have to come to a complete stop and check for no cars before proceeding to turn, just like any other normal right-turn-on-red. :dunno:
I can't believe that intersection is even a discussion!

Its two lanes that can turn right. Its being discussed because why even have the traffic light if cars on both lanes can just stop and proceed when its safe?

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by Xtrema

.....from lane 1 of 17th and into lane 2 of Macleod like the driver's handbook....

Huh? Drivers handbook says lane 1 into lane 1. Maybe I'm not understanding your statement.

[Mar]

Ya, I nearly get crashed into daily downtown from people that can't figure this out. I think we're going to turn left 1 and 2 but they always take my lane, every single time. Except driving east bound on 12 Avenue and turning (left) northbound onto 4 Street, they actually painted a turn lane there to direct people out of that left most lane.

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by ?????


Its two lanes that can turn right. Its being discussed because why even have the traffic light if cars on both lanes can just stop and proceed when its safe?
Oh for God's sake....how did you even manage to obtain a license?!!
IF THERE WAS NO RED LIGHT THERE THEN YOU WOULD HAVE FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC MERGING INTO TWO AT 50 kmh!!
The lights are there to alternate the flow of traffic. If theres no traffic coming down Elbow, then the cars sitting at the red may proceed with a right turn.


Holy cow!

[Moonracer]

^^^ LOL no doubt

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by C_Dave45


Huh? Drivers handbook says lane 1 into lane 1. Maybe I'm not understanding your statement.

Left: What it should be.

Right: Real world.

http://i.imgur.com/pas3E.jpg

[?????]

Originally posted by C_Dave45

Oh for God's sake....how did you even manage to obtain a license?!!
IF THERE WAS NO RED LIGHT THERE THEN YOU WOULD HAVE FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC MERGING INTO TWO AT 50 kmh!!
The lights are there to alternate the flow of traffic. If theres no traffic coming down Elbow, then the cars sitting at the red may proceed with a right turn.


Holy cow!

Calm down old man! Breathe..breathe.. ;)

I know why its there but why not a stop sign? yield?
But back to the original question is it "legal" to make that right turn on a red from lane "2"

[ercchry]

Originally posted by C_Dave45

Oh for God's sake....how did you even manage to obtain a license?!!
IF THERE WAS NO RED LIGHT THERE THEN YOU WOULD HAVE FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC MERGING INTO TWO AT 50 kmh!!
The lights are there to alternate the flow of traffic. If theres no traffic coming down Elbow, then the cars sitting at the red may proceed with a right turn.


Holy cow!

its 2 into 2... it could be a stop sign. right on red if in the curb lane is the rule i remember... not from a lane out. yet you are saying that its legal :nut:

[supe]

Here is why people are confused about this, its because even the city can't make up its mind!

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=51.048052,-114.018412&spn=81.190968,125.332031&t=v&z=3&layer=c&panoid=Hmk3nvFZHGTtxZfKy_b7pA&cbll=51.048052,-114.018412&cbp=13,-257.4740445775207,,0,9.64387475376867

[lilmira]

I'm with Dave unless there is some misunderstanding. Through traffic has the right of way since they have have the green light. You can only turn when the intersection is clear.


Rush hour in downtown is freaking chaos. People will turn from a through lane or go straight in a turning lane. 5ave turning left to Centre N is pretty entertaining sometimes. 2 dual turns into 3 lanes, people don't know what to do. Then once a while you have the fools ignoring the lane reversal.

[C_Dave45]

Extrema... oh I see what you mean. Gotcha.

[Moonracer]

Originally posted by ?????


Calm down old man! Breathe..breathe.. ;)

I know why its there but why not a stop sign? yield?


Because it can get very busy there at times and would get very backed up if it were a stop sign or yield.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by supe
Here is why people are confused about this, its because even the city can't make up its mind!

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=51.048052,-114.018412&spn=81.190968,125.332031&t=v&z=3&layer=c&panoid=Hmk3nvFZHGTtxZfKy_b7pA&cbll=51.048052,-114.018412&cbp=13,-257.4740445775207,,0,9.64387475376867

Wow.. Now do you want that person on the left turning out onto memorial when the traffic is going 80km/h :dunno: Probably not. Which is why they don't allow left turns on red there. Although you see people do it anyways there.

[kenny]

Originally posted by ?????


Calm down old man! Breathe..breathe.. ;)

I know why its there but why not a stop sign? yield?
But back to the original question is it "legal" to make that right turn on a red from lane "2"

Yes it could be a stop sign or a yield, but a traffic light ensures the best traffic flow in that area.

[?????]

Originally posted by kenny


Yes it could be a stop sign or a yield, but a traffic light ensures the best traffic flow in that area.

Fair enough but my original question regarding the turn being legal or not. Thats all i wanted to know :cry:

"But back to the original question is it "legal" to make that right turn on a red from lane "2"?"

[Moonracer]

[Moonracer]

Originally posted by ?????


Fair enough but my original question regarding the turn being legal or not. Thats all i wanted to know :cry:

"But back to the original question is it "legal" to make that right turn on a red from lane "2"?"

Edit: I would say yes as the sign shows that you are permitted to turn right. There are no other signs saying otherwise.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by Moonracer


Edit: I would say yes as the sign shows that you are permitted to turn right. There are no other signs saying otherwise.

the sign says you MUST turn right, as in dont drive straight thru... if you are in a lane that said you cant turn, must go straight... would you do so on a red? no

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by ?????


Fair enough but my original question regarding the turn being legal or not. Thats all i wanted to know :cry:

"But back to the original question is it "legal" to make that right turn on a red from lane "2"?"

*sigh*. :facepalm:

From drivers handbook (http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/content/docType45/Production/Basicdrivershandbook2010.pdf)

Unless prohibited by a sign, you can make a right turn on a red light after you come to a full stop. This also applies to dual lane turns.

[lilmira]

Bottom right on the page Tik Tok posted.

"This also applies to dual lane turns"

You can turn from both turning lanes, no?

[Moonracer]

:facepalm: ah forget it

[Unknown303]

So what about dual turn lanes?

[Disoblige]

If you're in the right-hand lane on 17th turning left, don't even bother trying to turn into the 2nd lane on Macleod North. Just turn into 4th lane to be safe since the guy to the left of you will probably do it wrong anyways.

Defensive driving, that's all.

I'm not going to purposely turn into the 2nd or 3rd lane just so I can road rage at a guy who 99% of the time will turn into the wrong lane at that intersection.

[Moonracer]

--ercchry

The way I see it is, it is in fact a dual turn/dual turn lanes and the city just didn't put in the normal dual turn sign because both lanes can only turn right according to the sign.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by Xtrema


Because everyone is doing it wrong.

If you ever try to go from lane 1 of 17th and into lane 2 of Macleod like the driver's handbook, you would have been hit or very least road rage from guy in lane 2 of 17th. :werd: I'll keep doing what I'm doing.

How about the McKenzie Towne traffic circle. Two vehicles enter the circle at the same time, both vehicles take the second exit. I'm the vehicle on the right, vehicle on left is mad at me when we exit at the same time. Pulls up beside me wants to scream but I just ignore. I can stay in the outside lane as long as I yield to the left correct? lol

[Moonracer]

^^^Yup as long as you both stay in your respective lanes

However, to the other driver it may look like you are going to continue going around the circle which would be very unnerving to them trying to turn off. It would be more appropriate to back off slightly letting them know you are yielding and then make your turn.

[lilmira]

If he wants to use the first exit, he should be in the right hand lane when entering the circle. Even though the outside should yield to the inside, he can't just expect that to happen over such a short distance.

[lilmira]

Technically, even better, you can do skid pad on the inside lane all day since you don't have to yield to nobody, no?

[ercchry]

Originally posted by Moonracer
--ercchry

The way I see it is, it is in fact a dual turn/dual turn lanes and the city just didn't put in the normal dual turn sign because both lanes can only turn right according to the sign.

when i use to drive that road everyday thats the logic i used... but only when there was no cops around hahaha. i think its a fuck up on someone's part still.

[Moonracer]

Originally posted by ercchry


when i use to drive that road everyday thats the logic i used... but only when there was no cops around hahaha. i think its a fuck up on someone's part still.

Ya it certainly is a bit confusing

[Moonracer]

Originally posted by lilmira
If he wants to use the first exit, he should be in the right hand lane when entering the circle. Even though the outside should yield to the inside, he can't just expect that to happen over such a short distance.

Well not exactly

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu108/Moonracer/Trafficcircle.png

[J-hop]

Originally posted by Disoblige
If you're in the right-hand lane on 17th turning left, don't even bother trying to turn into the 2nd lane on Macleod North. Just turn into 4th lane to be safe since the guy to the left of you will probably do it wrong anyways.

Defensive driving, that's all.

I'm not going to purposely turn into the 2nd or 3rd lane just so I can road rage at a guy who 99% of the time will turn into the wrong lane at that intersection.

Agreed, at the last AMA course I went to the instructor made a good point of the difference between "right of way" and "right of weight". No sense blindly following the rules if it's going to get you smacked.

This thread explains a lot, I always wondered why I found when on the outside of a dual turn on to a 1 way I was always having to go to the next lane to avoid the donkey who decided not to turn into their appropriate lane, didn't realize so many people didn't read their learners manual :rofl:

[lilmira]

Originally posted by Moonracer


Well not exactly

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu108/Moonracer/Trafficcircle.png

For some reason, I was thinking that there is only one lane out. :nut:

[bspot]

This thread explains why I've almost been hit about eleventy times on WB 1st Ave NE dual left turning onto Edmonton Trail SB.

Idiots...

[codetrap]

Originally posted by supe
Here is why people are confused about this, its because even the city can't make up its mind!

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=51.048052,-114.018412&spn=81.190968,125.332031&t=v&z=3&layer=c&panoid=Hmk3nvFZHGTtxZfKy_b7pA&cbll=51.048052,-114.018412&cbp=13,-257.4740445775207,,0,9.64387475376867

I think that particular merge is set up like that because the trucks can't make that tight left.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by bspot
This thread explains why I've almost been hit about eleventy times on WB 1st Ave NE dual left turning onto Edmonton Trail SB.

Idiots...

That's the one I linked to as well. People there drive me crazy, there are even lines painted around the corner.

[?????]

Originally posted by C_Dave45


*sigh*. :facepalm:

From drivers handbook (http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/content/docType45/Production/Basicdrivershandbook2010.pdf)


Thank you. :) :thumbsup:
All smart bringing up the drivers handbook not realizing you started this thread without looking at the drivers handbook until Tik Tok brought it up.
Should have :facepalm: :rolleyes: yourself first.
Anyways the book is vague and i was asking about that specific interesection.
Don't be a dick about it. Maybe i'm just over analyzing it but I guess it relates to what i do for a living so i'll stick with that and you can stick with gluing tiles.




Originally posted by lilmira
Bottom right on the page Tik Tok posted.

"This also applies to dual lane turns"

You can turn from both turning lanes, no?

Yes, but what Tik tok posted is for a one-way to a one-way. The intersection i was asking about its kind of a odd one. Dual must turn right lanes onto a two-way with a traffic light specific for the dual turns. :confused:

[Maxt]

Originally posted by clem24


Actually there aren't really that many. I can think of 1 place off my top of my head: 3rd st SB onto 9th Ave EB (Banker's).

It really pisses me off how many people refuse to turn on a red, as well as the amount of people who are unaware they can also do this in a dual turn as well.

And back on topic... Turning into improper lanes is definitely one of my pet peeves. I think this takes the cake for most popular thing to do, with not signaling for a lane change being #2. The worst for this improper turn is 8th st. NB onto 4th Ave WB during the PM rush.
Did a dual turn on RED FROM LANE 2 TO LANE 2 from 5th ave onto macleod trail sb on in 1991 and got ticketed for it, fought it and lost in court, charged with disobeying a traffic control(the red light). About a month later, a friend of mine got caught at the same intersection , doing the same thing, and was charged with the same offence and lost as well..
When I challenged mine, I was told it was because I crossed over the curb side lane on a red , which I had too, to take lane 2 from lane 2 , and you are not allowed to cross a lane of straight through traffic on a red. The cop told me it has to have a green ring around it the turn sign to make it legal.
Find a cop downtown and follow the cop around and see what they do.. Then again, half the cops out there are pretty lousy drivers as well..

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by ?????


Thank you. :) :thumbsup:
All smart bringing up the drivers handbook not realizing you started this thread without looking at the drivers handbook until Tik Tok brought it up.
Should have :facepalm: :rolleyes: yourself first.
Anyways the book is vague and i was asking about that specific interesection.
Don't be a dick about it. Maybe i'm just over analyzing it but I guess it relates to what i do for a living so i'll stick with that and you can stick with gluing tiles.

I didn't look at the handbook for the first instance, because, like Kloubek, I seemed to have no problem driving according to proper procedure all along, as well as fully comprehending the principle behind it.
I didn't look at the handbook for the second instance (your question) because I knew the answer. It was YOU that didn't know the answer or even comprehend it. Had to show you from the book before you believed.
Wow..that's the best you can do? Try to put me down for what I do for a living? :rolleyes: How about slag my special-needs son...make fun of my wife?
I'm damn proud to be a good tile setter. I can look at houses and jobs all over the city and show my grandkids..."see that there...I did that!" :rofl:

[smartcar]

If you get a ticket it's not the handbook that governs, it's the TSA and rules of the road regulation.
http://www.qp.alberta.ca/574.cfm?page=2002_304.cfm&leg_type=Regs&isbncln=9780779756209&display=html

So on 17th turning north onto Macleod, the guy in the left lane HAS to turn into the far left lane. The guy in the right lane, because the "other traffic control device" allows dual turns and there are no markings on the road, can turn into any lane other than the far left lane.

You can only turn on a red light if you're in the curb (driving) lane. Dual turns on a red light are not allowed even if allowed on a green light. PS at 3 St onto 9th downtown you can't turn on the red light even if you are in the curb lane, there's a "no turn on red" sign. Makes sense if you consider how many cars fly over the hill on 9th heading eastbound.

[lilmira]

P.64, "Unless prohibited by a sign, at a dual
right turn intersection, you may turn right
on a red light after you come to a complete
stop at the proper stopping point (stop line
or crosswalk)."

What else can it mean unless the book is irrelevant? Any police officer here to clarify?

[Mar]

Originally posted by smartcar
If you get a ticket it's not the handbook that governs, it's the TSA and rules of the road regulation.
http://www.qp.alberta.ca/574.cfm?page=2002_304.cfm&leg_type=Regs&isbncln=9780779756209&display=html

So on 17th turning north onto Macleod, the guy in the left lane HAS to turn into the far left lane. The guy in the right lane, because the "other traffic control device" allows dual turns and there are no markings on the road, can turn into any lane other than the far left lane.

You can only turn on a red light if you're in the curb (driving) lane. Dual turns on a red light are not allowed even if allowed on a green light. PS at 3 St onto 9th downtown you can't turn on the red light even if you are in the curb lane, there's a "no turn on red" sign. Makes sense if you consider how many cars fly over the hill on 9th heading eastbound.

From 17 to Macleod, the person in the far right curb lane which is turning left has a specific lane to turn into, they don't have a choice.

[smartcar]

Originally posted by Mar


From 17 to Macleod, the person in the far right curb lane which is turning left has a specific lane to turn into, they don't have a choice.
Actually, no it's the person who is turning left, in the normal left hand lane who has not choice but to go into the specific lane:

Left turns
26((2) For the purpose of making a left turn with a vehicle from a 2‑way highway onto a one‑way highway, the person driving the vehicle shall, unless a traffic control device otherwise directs or permits,
(a) drive the vehicle to the right side of and as closely as practicable to the centre line of the 2‑way highway where it enters the intersection,
(b) turn the vehicle to the left at the intersection, and
(c) leave the intersection on completing the turn by driving the vehicle as closely as practicable to the left side of the one-way highway entered.

That means, to make a left turn, you get in the left lane to turn and when you turn left, you get into the left lane. If you're turning left, that's what you have to do. So on 17th turning left onto Macleod, the guy in the LEFT lane has a specific lane to turn into. The guy in the right lane wouldn't be able to turn left normally, but he can, because the "unless a traffic control device otherwise directs or permits" kicks in - i.e. the sign that allows dual turns. So he can turn left, but because there are no rules about which lane, he can turn into whichever lane he wants to. That's at 17th and Macleod, some intersections DT have triple turns, but there are markings on the road that tell you which lane to turn into.

[Moonracer]

Originally posted by smartcar

Actually, no it's the person who is turning left, in the normal left hand lane who has not choice but to go into the specific lane:

Left turns
26((2) For the purpose of making a left turn with a vehicle from a 2‑way highway onto a one‑way highway, the person driving the vehicle shall, unless a traffic control device otherwise directs or permits,
(a) drive the vehicle to the right side of and as closely as practicable to the centre line of the 2‑way highway where it enters the intersection,
(b) turn the vehicle to the left at the intersection, and
(c) leave the intersection on completing the turn by driving the vehicle as closely as practicable to the left side of the one-way highway entered.

That means, to make a left turn, you get in the left lane to turn and when you turn left, you get into the left lane. If you're turning left, that's what you have to do. So on 17th turning left onto Macleod, the guy in the LEFT lane has a specific lane to turn into. The guy in the right lane wouldn't be able to turn left normally, but he can, because the "unless a traffic control device otherwise directs or permits" kicks in - i.e. the sign that allows dual turns. So he can turn left, but because there are no rules about which lane, he can turn into whichever lane he wants to. That's at 17th and Macleod, some intersections DT have triple turns, but there are markings on the road that tell you which lane to turn into.

"Dual lane turns - When making a right or left turn where dual lane turns are indicated by pavement markings or signs, approach the intersection in one of the marked lanes and turn into the corresponding lane." from the basic drivers handbook.

At this particular intersection on 17th as it is a "T" intersection, it wouldn't really conflict too much if the person turning in the outside lane took the 3rd or 4th lane over because there is no oncoming traffic. But if you did that at another intersection where there is oncoming traffic then there certainly could be. That is why you must always take your "corresponding" lane or else you may very well be liable.

[HiSpec]

Originally posted by Tarrantula


Yes im a dick first off - But I will cut to lane 3 (2nd from left) if im in the outside turn - why? Cause thats how I was taught. I've been almost hit about 200 times - but hey - Not my lesson to learn, yours when you pay for a new paintjob on my whole drivers side :)

Don't you mean 3rd from the left if you are on land 3?

[Disoblige]

You know what they should just do?

Draw lines to which lane you're suppose to turn into at that intersection. Problem solved!

[DEATH2000]

Originally posted by ?????
What about here? Dual Right Turn (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=51.016991,-114.077885&spn=0.001412,0.002411&hnear=12724+Cannington+Way+SW,+Calgary,+Alberta+T2W+3G1&t=h&layer=c&cbll=51.017085,-114.07791&panoid=ayOXOUaKa0U31sl-P6ga-g&cbp=12,323.06,,0,18.81&z=19)

I always see people making dual right turns on red. No sign. I hate this intersection. 90% of the time nobody even bothers to stop, some people barely slow down!

[revelations]

Originally posted by Moonracer


Well not exactly

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu108/Moonracer/Trafficcircle.png

Thanks, I heard it explained once but seeing it makes so much more sense. I forgot about the outer circle folk yielding to the inner circle folk.