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Tik-Tok
04-06-2012, 12:35 PM
Holy shit!

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(CNN) -- A Navy jet crashed Friday into some apartments near Virginia Beach, Virginia, sending flames and thick black smoke into the air, a military spokesman and a witness said.

At least two people were hurt, a hospital spokeswoman said.

The pilot and a person who was on the ground were being treated for injuries, but the nature and extent of those injuries were not immediately clear, the spokeswoman said.

Retired rescue squad member Pat Kavanaugh said he and others found one of the two plane crew members who ejected.

Kavanaugh was on his couch when he heard a loud boom.

"I saw a pilot on the ground with a parachute hanging from the building, with facial lacerations," Kavanaugh said.

"He was in shock and still strapped to his seat," Kavanaugh told CNN affiliate WTKR.

The jet hit the Mayfair Mews Apartment complex in Virginia Beach, according to U.S. Rep. Scott Rigell's office, whose district includes Virginia Beach.

The jet was from a training squadron at the Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach, the Navy and Federal Aviation Administration said.

The crew of the two-seater F/A-18 ejected, but their condition wasn't known, a Navy spokesman said.

Virginia Beach Fire Department Battalion Chief Tim Riley said five buildings were heavily damaged, and first responders are going to have to do a detailed search of those buildings for people.

No residents were reported missing early Friday afternoon, Riley said.

But he added: "We're going to assume that there are people missing, and we're going to do a detailed search.

"It's going to take a while to get through there to see the details," Riley told CNN.

The two pilots were taken to the hospital, Riley said.

One resident, Keith Gutkowski, said one of the plane's ejection seats ripped through an oak tree and crashed into his condo fence, and the other crashed into a home next to him.

The plane crash site is 75 yards from his home, and his wife saw the plane "almost fall out of the sky," he said.

"What they're saying about ejecting very late is definitely true," Gutkowski said about reports that the pilots apparently ejected at a low altitude.

"Both ejection seats are right here, and the parachute is right by the crash site," Gutkowski told CNN.

George Pilkington, a witness, said he saw the plane flying low, with its nose up and tail down, ejecting fuel -- which struck him as unusual. The engine was straining, he said.

"It came over the top of my truck emptying fuel," Pilkington said.

"That it didn't cause more damage to the apartment buildings was a blessing," he said.

The plane crashed in an area of apartment complexes and homes a half-mile from the waterfront, Pilkington said.

Black smoke and flames rose from the crash site.

At least one building was damaged, according to video footage from CNN affiliate WTKR. A charred section of the jet wreckage was on the ground nearby.

Fire trucks, ambulances and police cars filled the area as smoke drifted overhead.

Another witness, Zack Zapatero, said the plane crashed into a building occupied by senior citizens. He took photos of the scene.

"There's these large fire balls coming up," Zapatero said. "I was told there was a bunch of senior citizens that live in that building, which worries me a lot.

"Buildings were starting to collapse," he said of the wreckage scene.

"Through the smoke, you could see the end of the plane sitting in the courtyard," Zapatero said.

Sentry
04-06-2012, 12:46 PM
Propaganda from the Canadian Government to get us to ditch our F18s and buy F35s.

revelations
04-06-2012, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by Sentry
Propaganda from the Canadian Government to get us to ditch our F18s and buy F35s.

I think the Lethbridge crash was a better example of that :nut:

01RedDX
04-06-2012, 04:01 PM
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jutes
04-06-2012, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by Sentry
Propaganda from the Canadian Government to get us to ditch our F18s and buy F35s.

Idiotic post of the year.

Kloubek
04-06-2012, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by 01RedDX
Amazing how no one died in that.

Well, there was nobody "reported" missing from the building that they know of, but it goes on to say they are handling it as if there are people missing. I think that can basically translate that nobody has reported to them they don't know where their friend or family member is, but they are anticipating it will happen...

Sentry
04-06-2012, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by jutes


Idiotic post of the year.
It was a joke, fucking moron.

ZenOps
04-06-2012, 05:24 PM
All a matter of perspective:

If you said that an old Ford car had a malfunction and drove off a cliff, would you be more or less prone to be buying a newer Ford car to replace the fleet of old ones?

I dunno... Seriously, the more F-XX's that don't make it to the "finish line" before they are replaced by new ones, just means more bad PR in my book.

Go4Long
04-06-2012, 05:59 PM
The pilots dumping fuel before the crash indicates they clearly had a major malfunction and were doing their best to minimize collateral damage. Nose up to scrub off speed, get rid of as much fuel as possible, then hope like hell you can get back to the ground safely...ejection seats are not meant to work from low altitudes.

Go4Long
04-06-2012, 07:26 PM
Also worth noting the nozzles on the engines, left one is closed right down, right is wide open...

BerserkerCatSplat
04-06-2012, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by Go4Long
The pilots dumping fuel before the crash indicates they clearly had a major malfunction and were doing their best to minimize collateral damage. Nose up to scrub off speed, get rid of as much fuel as possible, then hope like hell you can get back to the ground safely...ejection seats are not meant to work from low altitudes.

Agree with everything you said except the ejection seat bit. The Hornets would have zero/zero ejection seats, meaning they are designed to work from zero altitude and zero airspeed. They're certainly outside of their ideal envelope, but survivable.

95EagleAWD
04-06-2012, 07:35 PM
Beat me to it. Ejection seats are pretty good these days... And the Hornets definitely have zero/zero seats. A good example of being way out of the envelope would be the Lethbridge crash.

Go4Long
04-06-2012, 07:49 PM
my mistake. Ah well...I'll be curious to see what the cause was. Probably a safe bet it's not as embarassing as our one from cold lake last year.

schocker
04-06-2012, 08:09 PM
That is crazy :eek:

revelations
04-06-2012, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by Go4Long
my mistake. Ah well...I'll be curious to see what the cause was. Probably a safe bet it's not as embarassing as our one from cold lake last year.

Wasnt that also a mechanical failure of an engine??

(witnesses of the Virginia crash reported flames from the right side of the aircraft prior)

Go4Long
04-06-2012, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by revelations


Wasnt that also a mechanical failure of an engine??


err...no

http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/dfs-dsv/nr-sp/index-eng.asp?id=11977

coles notes:

- Pilot flying wing in formation doing night vision flight training
- on final lowers landing gear, light reflecting off the snow causes pilot to become dissoriented and believe he is in a steep dive
- Pilot does what you would do when you think you are in a steep dive near the ground and pulls back on the stick
- Pilot still believes he is diving at the ground and ejects from a perfectly functional F-18

couple of procedural violations (NVG in instrument meteorological conditions at an unlit airfield), but still a bit of an oops.

Aleks
04-06-2012, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by Go4Long
Also worth noting the nozzles on the engines, left one is closed right down, right is wide open...

First thing I noticed. Likely engine trouble.

Hot_Wheelz
04-07-2012, 01:15 AM
If someone says they could see flames from the right engine was likely because as the picture shows the right engine nozzle is wide open. He probably had an issue with the left engine and was flying with the right at nearly full or even in reheat in an attempt to restart the (closed nozzle) left engine. But that said the hornet should be fly able on one engine at full.. So possibly a hydrolic or electrical issue as well?

Supa Dexta
04-07-2012, 04:11 AM
Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat
The Hornets would have zero/zero ejection seats, meaning they are designed to work from zero altitude and zero airspeed.

Every seat in my house is zero/zero

jutes
04-07-2012, 10:22 AM
No fatalities and it looks like it crashed right between the houses.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120407101522-jet-crash-apartments-horizontal-gallery.jpg:eek:


Originally posted by Hot_Wheelz
He probably had an issue with the left engine and was flying with the right at nearly full or even in reheat in an attempt to restart the (closed nozzle) left engine.

If he was attempting to restart the left engine it would be open. Looks like the left was shutdown and the right was at max. A fully fuelled hornet can still climb out on one engine if you aren't at a high AOA like in Lethbridge. I'm gonna say it was a combination of engine failure that led to flight control malfunction. The back-up systems for the flight controls allow you to fly it in mechanical mode. It's designed for you level out and punch out, not to bring her back home.

spikerS
04-08-2012, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by Supa Dexta


Every seat in my house is zero/zero

I fucking laughed right there.