Recieved Invoice From City Of Calgary

[2BLUE]

I recently received a invoice from the township for $6000 bill for a diesel spill that was very little under 4liters) Either way fire trucks etc billed out at $6000.

I already paid the traffic fine, and now this.

Now the vehicle was being sold at the time, so what i need to know is the responsability with the owner or the driver on that day?

This invoice I'm guessing is going to go to collections if i dont pay it in my name???

I called a lawyer and there's mixed awnsers whether I could jusy say its the new owners truck so let them take the blame. etc.

Either way the invoice is in the myname. I never owned the vehicle on that day.

[Mista Bob]

Yeah, stick the 6000 dollar bill with someone who had nothing to do with it. You're a real winner.
:facepalm:


Originally posted by 2BLUE
I recently received a invoice from the township for $6000 bill for a diesel spill that was very little under 4liters) Either way fire trucks etc billed out at $6000.

I already paid the traffic fine, and now this.

Now the vehicle was being sold at the time, so what i need to know is the responsability with the owner or the driver on that day?

This invoice I'm guessing is going to go to collections if i dont pay it in my name???

I called a lawyer and there's mixed awnsers whether I could jusy say its the new owners truck so let them take the blame. etc.

Either way the invoice is in the myname. I never owned the vehicle on that day.

[ZorroAMG]

You can't be serious.

[BlackArcher101]

Wait... you paid the earlier ticket but now you want to switch the blame? Why did you pay the ticket if this wasn't your truck like you say?

[Isaiah]

i before e, except after c.

[zarge]

Since when are public services invoiced to the private sector?

[ianmcc]

Appealing an invoice from Animal & Bylaw Services
If you have received an invoice from The City of Calgary Animal & Bylaw Services for a bylaw infraction (i.e. snow and ice removal, clean-up of waste or an unsightly premise, removal of material from a street or alleyway, removal of graffiti, grass or weed removal or tree/shrub trimming), and would like to appeal the invoice please review the information below before submitting your appeal.
If you would like more information about bylaws, please refer to Bylaws by topic or Bylaws by name.
When to contact 3-1-1
Please contact 3-1-1 (from within Calgary) or 403-268-CITY (from outside of Calgary) before submitting this form if:
You do not have a copy of the invoice and would like to request one.
You have general questions about appealing an invoice from Animal & Bylaw Services.
When to submit an appeal

You may submit an appeal if you meet the following criteria:
You are appealing the invoice within 14 days of the invoice date (listed in the upper right hand corner of the invoice). Please reference this example of an invoice.
You are the registered property owner (tenants can not submit an appeal).
The property address and roll number listed on the invoice is the actual service location where the corrective action was taken.
You have a copy of the Animal & Bylaw Services invoice. Without this invoice you will not have enough information to submit an appeal. Please reference this example invoice which demonstrates the information you will be required to provide (highlighted in yellow).

http://www.calgary.ca/CSPS/ABS/Pages/Bylaw-invoice-appeal.aspx

[Mista Bob]

Originally posted by zarge
Since when are public services invoiced to the private sector?

When they are the result of a brilliant individual wasting their time.
I'm willing to bet OP stuck his gas cap in the nozzle and left it unattended.

How the hell else do you spill "very little under" 4 liters of fuel?

"Thanks for buying my truck, oh and enjoy the $6k bill."
Only thing that could make this better is if he racked up some photo radar tickets for the new owner too. :rofl:

[ianmcc]

Originally posted by zarge
Since when are public services invoiced to the private sector?

When you violate a local bylaw.

[rage2]

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?threadid=347543

So many inconsistencies.

[Maybelater]

lol op is a champ

[Mibz]

Originally posted by rage2
http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?threadid=347543

So many inconsistencies. I knew this sounded familiar, haha, thanks.

[J-hop]

WOW, 2Blue you deserve a ban for this. Creating a thread misleading everyone by claiming some "residue in the box" complete BS and now that "residue" is 4 liters of diesel!

Pay up man simple as that 6k is a slap on the wrist as far as I'm concerned.

[Cos]

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[88jbody]

My friend had a oil drain plug fall come loose a couple years ago on Glenmore, pulled over quick, 4-4.5 L oil on the ground, fire trucks came, cleaned it up, well my friend and I both grabbed brooms and helped sweep up the absorbent. No bill.

I'm sure they seen some negligence to issue a bill, and I don't think the actual volume more the actual affected area and amount of work to clean it up

[VWEvo]

Pretty dissappointing that you would try and stick the new owner with the bill. Society really is becoming a shit hole when people can't take responsibility for their actions.

The most important lesson I learned in life from some great mentors is to not only take credit for your success's, but ALWAYS take responsibility for your failures.

Hopefully you will rethink your stance and just deal with what clearly is your fault.

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by VWEvo
Society really is becoming a shit hole when people can't take responsibility for their actions. The most important lesson I learned in life from some great mentors is to not only take credit for your success's, but ALWAYS take responsibility for your failures.


Word up..:thumbsup:

[2BLUE]

Originally posted by Cos
Pretty sure the City of Calgary isnt a township. Pretty sure it is a City.



So many I am not even sure the OP should be allowed outside on his own.

- City of Calgary
- A bill from the Township
- Happened in Airdrie
- Selling the truck
- Friends truck
- I was driving
- We just parked it there
- Where I Live: Calgary
- I don't live in the province so I don't want any issues


:nut:

To clarify, I got a letter from city of calgary , and papers from airdrie. Yes truck was sold to a friend. Truck wasn't being driven but was parked. The 4 liters of fuel was estimates on the 4 page letter i got from the city. I still belive there wasn't that much but whatever. The new owner of the vehicle knows about this as he's my old neighbor. He's actually saying tell the city he owned the vehicle that way the lawyers can say he was never served. I'm not doing it behind his back at all. He's all game to fight with the city and so am I.

The ticket issued for the spill on that day it was not the regestered owner of the vehicle.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by 2BLUE

I still belive there wasn't that much but whatever.

So it really was diesel, and you're previous thread was full of shit then?

[2BLUE]

Does anyone know of a great civil litigation lawyer? I was told bennett jones has some of the best in the country. Is there a way to look up a lawyers performance of some kind? Much rather $6k go to a lawyer.

[ZorroAMG]

2BLUE, just stop fucking posting and pay the ticket. You fucked up. Be man.

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by 2BLUE
Does anyone know of a great civil litigation lawyer? I was told bennett jones has some of the best in the country. Is there a way to look up a lawyers performance of some kind? Much rather $6k go to a lawyer.

lol, that $6k won't even get you through the door

[FixedGear]

Originally posted by 2BLUE
Much rather $6k go to a lawyer.

Hrm... you spill diesel fuel and the city cleans it up, but instead of paying the bill you want the taxpayers to cover it? And, you want to go to court and cost the taxpayers even more money? :facepalm: nice.

[2BLUE]

double posted for some reason.

It was so little of a mess

$6k is robbery.

[VWEvo]

Originally posted by 2BLUE
double posted for some reason.

It was so little of a mess

$6k is robbery.

You obviously don't get it.

Life owns u

[2BLUE]

Alright well I must be crazy that one box of kitty litter thats $10.00 would have cleaned the mess up costs $6000 in city terms.

Screw that! Forget it delete the thread whatever I will be getting a lawyer! And fighting this all the way to the end!

[XylathaneGTR]

Originally posted by 2BLUE
Alright well I must be crazy that one box of kitty litter thats $10.00 would have cleaned the mess up costs $6000 in city terms.
Screw that! Forget it delete the thread whatever I will be getting a lawyer! And fighting this all the way to the end!
I look forward to your upcoming thread about how to weasel out of lawyer fees, in addition to the cost of your ticket.

[FraserB]

If you can't figure out why this costs $6000, then you really are a retard.

[2BLUE]

I have no problem paying a fine thats within reason. The city says up to 4 liters. Which is a complete crock. I will be fighting this.

[kvg]

:facepalm: to this whole thread

[FraserB]

What will be your argument? That since you only caused a hazmat situation of a few liters they should just forget it all?

[2BLUE]

Alright I must be wrong and you guys are right but its funny the 3 calls I made to civil litigation lawyers all agreed the fines are way over what they should have been. The pictures speak of how little diesel there was. Its a joke.

I'm done talking about it. Thx to who wanted to help.

[J-hop]

Originally posted by 2BLUE
Alright I must be wrong and you guys are right but its funny the 3 calls I made to civil litigation lawyers all agreed the fines are way over what they should have been. The pictures speak of how little diesel there was. Its a joke.

I'm done talking about it. Thx to who wanted to help.

lol if a lawyer told you 6k was fair do you think you'd hire them?? Think about it :rolleyes:

[speedog]

So one has to wonder what the loaded rate is for 5 fire trucks and 3 police cars, all loaded with personnel - $6,000 doesn't sound like an unreasonable amount for that amount of resources.

[88jbody]

Originally posted by 2BLUE
I have no problem paying a fine thats within reason. The city says up to 4 liters. Which is a complete crock. I will be fighting this.

"up to 4L"

this means any amount from one drop but not exceeding 4L

they do not use kitty litter, they use a proper absorbent designed for it, I don't even cheap out of kitty litter in my garage I buy proper absorbent. and for a good quality high absorbancy one will be $20-30. how many people showed up? they make at least $30 an hour. and don't think your only going to pay their wage. go to a shop, you pay $130/hr for that employee making 30/hr. those trucks they drive are not cheap either. so $6000 is alot of money....is it too much, well I can't make that call.

1L can cover a large area, it doesn't take much then add some stupid tax. and then douche tax for selling a leaking POS then trying to make the new owner pay for the fine, it was at your place it happened so the new owner obviously hadn't taken delivery yet = your problem.

[raceman6135]

Originally posted by 2BLUE
The pictures speak of how little diesel there was. Its a joke.


There's pictures?

Post 'em up!

[Cos]

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[TomcoPDR]

Post the letter, just blank out your name, address, case number. Maybe someone here will be able to help make some suggestions.

[Mar]

How do you guys even understand what happened? All I got was this:

Magical back story not explained -> diesel spill -> bill

WTF happened that I missed? Where was the spill? How was it spilled? Who cleaned it up? Why? WTF.......

"Hey guys, I got a bill for something from someone about something some day. What should I do about it?" :dunno:

[Cos]

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[frozenrice]

The City and CFD bill out for their calls? Why are we paying taxes then? Seems like double dipping to me.

[FraserB]

Originally posted by frozenrice
The City and CFD bill out for their calls? Why are we paying taxes then? Seems like double dipping to me.

For stupid stuff like this they should. Laziness and negligence.

If they show up to a house fire or MVA, you don't get a bill.

OP created a situation, through his own negligence, and required HAZMAT and police attendance, of course he should pay. This wasn't an accident.

As for the cost, Cos is right. IIRC, a single police officer gets charged out at $200/hr. So multiply by however many people and equipment used.

[kaput]

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[Maxt]

Originally posted by FraserB


For stupid stuff like this they should. Laziness and negligence.

If they show up to a house fire or MVA, you don't get a bill.

OP created a situation, through his own negligence, and required HAZMAT and police attendance, of course he should pay. This wasn't an accident.

As for the cost, Cos is right. IIRC, a single police officer gets charged out at $200/hr. So multiply by however many people and equipment used.
Yeah continuous false alarms, or avoidable instances , a charge is appropriate. However they are also known for billing when nothing could be done to stop the alarm or when they were told not to attend in the first place.

[Go4Long]

Originally posted by frozenrice
The City and CFD bill out for their calls? Why are we paying taxes then? Seems like double dipping to me.

you also get billed for paramedics.

[Z_Fan]

LOL about the thread. Serious advice follows.

I'd phone the City.

Tell them that you think the invoice is fucking ridiculous. [Which IMO it is] Tell them if they cut it in HALF you'll pay it. (Or whatever amount you are willing to pay)

And get used to the idea that you're going to pay something. Eventually.

A lawyer will cost you lots of money as well, and you are likely to lose in court. The City will fight you, and certainly has more money than you. So you will lose that route anyhow, unless you've got some pretty serious proof that this was not in any way your fault.

Often on things like this, or when they send crews to shovel your sidewalks, cut your grass, pick up your shit you collect on your lawn, etc, the invoices are insane. But you can grieve them and they will usually negotiate with you.

Paying the invoice IMO would be foolish. Arguing it first with the city (probably just calling 311 to find whom you need to talk to) is where you should start. If they are willing to reduce the payment, this may be the easiest, quickest and cheapest way to reduce your end pay out.

But you will pay.

They have lots of ways to make you pay too. ;-)

Wouldn't surprise me at all if you can cut this invoice in half or perhaps by 33% just by making a few phone calls. It would be foolish to just pay it. Of course, doesn't sound like you are going to do that.

[sillysod]

Yes they will send a bill.

Everytime our fire alarm goes off at our office it is an automatic $600 bill. Burn popcorn in the microwave? $600 bill... N1zm0 going crazy on the forklift that is burning oil and sets off the alarm... $600 bill...

Even if we call as soon as the alarm goes off it's too late we HAVE to pay. They show up, walk through and leave 10 min max.

That being said it isn't fair that tax payers be on the hook for our forklift or some burnt popcorn action.

BTW Sterling crane for 5 hrs on site = $15,000.00

[n1zm0]

Originally posted by sillysod
N1zm0 going crazy on the forklift that is burning oil and sets off the alarm... $600 bill...

that's why i haven't used the forklift since... :cry: , we need to seafoam that biatch

[Cos]

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[sillysod]

^^^ haha I see another $600.00 bill

[swak]

lulz - link to other thread by 2BLUE?
I cant seem to find it for proper reference hilarity. :rofl:

[ryder_23]

Originally posted by swak
lulz - link to other thread by 2BLUE?
I cant seem to find it for proper reference hilarity. :rofl:

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?threadid=347543

2Blue's threads are top notch for hilarity and stupidity.

[ianmcc]

City isn't double dipping-they are invoicing based on a bylaw infraction-allowing diesel to spill on the ground due to "Operate motor vehicle transporting goods without securing goods."
In this case operating meant having care and control-admitted possession of the key.