The Men Who Made Us Fat

[Toma]

Have a watch and comment, part one, and part 2

http://www.bewellbuzz.com/video/men-fat-part-1/
http://www.bewellbuzz.com/video/men-fat-part-2/

[arian_ma]

The only people who made "us" fat are ourselves.

[Toma]

Originally posted by arian_ma
The only people who made "us" fat are ourselves.
Watch it first, then comment.... it's actually very interesting.

But stuff we already know:
Certain foods are just as addictive as drugs, cause physiological, and even neural changes.

It's the same with anything private and run by profit driven corporations. Maximize profit, minimize cost, maximize "advertising and marketing", propaganda, and of course, lobby groups to influence industry, government regulations etc.

[vtec4life]

Originally posted by arian_ma
The only people who made "us" fat are ourselves.

I don't think thats true. Why is America so fat and Japan so skinny?

Our cultures cant be THAT different, besides what corporations shove down our throats.

It wasn't that way 20+ years ago I'm sure.

In reality we dont stand a chance when corporations run the food industry and they answer to shareholders instead of looking out for the consumers best interest.

Clearly everyone could eat raw foods and be healthy but how many people do you think could afford to eat clean all day every day? And how far out of our way do we have to go to get it?

[e31]

I tried to watch this, but I end up going all Howard Hughes around sickly fat people. :scrubs hands thoroughly:

I'll admit that America's obesity problem is a combination of societal norms and fancy food chemistry. Not that there is anything wrong with this, it's just that America always has to overdo things.

In light of recent US history, I'm pretty sure Webster's Dictionary will have a good case for revocation of the word "Moderation".

[rx7boi]

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[arian_ma]

Originally posted by vtec4life


I don't think thats true. Why is America so fat and Japan so skinny?

Our cultures cant be THAT different, besides what corporations shove down our throats.

It wasn't that way 20+ years ago I'm sure.

In reality we dont stand a chance when corporations run the food industry and they answer to shareholders instead of looking out for the consumers best interest.

Clearly everyone could eat raw foods and be healthy but how many people do you think could afford to eat clean all day every day? And how far out of our way do we have to go to get it?
I'm sorry to once again comment without watching the video but I have to disagree with most of what you say here. First of all, Japanese and American culture are very different IMO. I'll use sushi as an example of one of the finer meals to have in Japan, as opposed to a 12oz steak and mash in the US.

Second, of course most people could eat healthy if they chose, the same way that most people could be in good shape if they did some physical activity, or most kids could be much more intelligent if they stopped watching MTV, but that's just the problem, most people COULD be X IF they did Y. It's not a matter of affordability either.

Yeah, it may be slightly more expensive to make your own pizza than to buy the frozen one, but that's not why North Americans buy the frozen pizza. IMO price is 1/10 of the reason and laziness is the other 9/10.

Americans don't seem to have a problem going into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for their new 70" tv, or whatever else, but buying good food is too expensive? I don't know if I believe that. Maybe we should be looking at those 2L bottles of slurpee they sell at Macs nowadays.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by Toma

Watch it first, then comment.... it's actually very interesting.

But stuff we already know:
Certain foods are just as addictive as drugs, cause physiological, and even neural changes.

It's the same with anything private and run by profit driven corporations. Maximize profit, minimize cost, maximize "advertising and marketing", propaganda, and of course, lobby groups to influence industry, government regulations etc.
Blah blah blah..

Let's blame everyone but ourselves. The only person you can blame for your body is the person staring you back in the mirror. So put down that can of Coke, or your double skinny half two cream latte from starbucks, and have water instead. Maybe skip the chicken wings and have a chicken breast instead. Put down the spoon, and go for a walk.

It never ceases to amaze me how people will always blame these faceless "Corporations" which are in truth just other people who recognize a need, and fill it. I can absolutely guarantee you that if people stopped drinking Coke because it was unhealthy, then Grey Beverage would alter the recipe to make it healthier.

[Mibz]

Clicked link, saw links to articles about eating for your blood type and anti-vaccination sentiment. Closed tab.

[ga16i]

Originally posted by arian_ma

I'm sorry to once again comment without watching the video but I have to disagree with most of what you say here. First of all, Japanese and American culture are very different IMO. I'll use sushi as an example of one of the finer meals to have in Japan, as opposed to a 12oz steak and mash in the US.

Second, of course most people could eat healthy if they chose, the same way that most people could be in good shape if they did some physical activity, or most kids could be much more intelligent if they stopped watching MTV, but that's just the problem, most people COULD be X IF they did Y. It's not a matter of affordability either.

Yeah, it may be slightly more expensive to make your own pizza than to buy the frozen one, but that's not why North Americans buy the frozen pizza. IMO price is 1/10 of the reason and laziness is the other 9/10.

Americans don't seem to have a problem going into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for their new 70" tv, or whatever else, but buying good food is too expensive? I don't know if I believe that. Maybe we should be looking at those 2L bottles of slurpee they sell at Macs nowadays.

Completely agree that Japanese and American cultures are VERY different. American culture is just sometimes WAY too awesome, everything has to be excessive and over the top. I remember 2 years ago being at a Las Vegas McDonald's for a late night snack. 50 McNuggets was a regular menu item! I mean WTF, how is that a normal thing to have on a menu?!! The large McCafe iced coffee was literally like 1L of drink.

You just plain won't see that many large Asians in Asian countries. That is just a plain no no, and socially unacceptable. Asians in general do not find fat attractive (there are some cultures that prize big women). Especially with parents and elders being much more dominant in Asian cultures, you bet your ass they'll starve your big fat ass before you get that huge. If they'll beat you, they'll sure as hell starve you :thumbsup:

[EG6boi]

In my opinion,

I think it's option v.s. choice; it's not like we don't have healthy foods available. If I choose to eat unhealthy foods, I can't blame anyone for my obesity.

Also, I believe a lot of a person's consumption correlates with their wealth, and from a business standpoint, corporations see this and takes advantage of that.

[Disoblige]

Originally posted by EG6boi

Also, I believe a lot of a person's consumption correlates with their wealth, and from a business standpoint, corporations see this and takes advantage of that.
I think the corporations take advantage of laziness. You could go to the supermarket and buy fresh and healthy food and not spend much at all. But that requires some time to prep the food, and most people are lazy-ass and/or don't manage their time well enough to do that.

[m10-power]

Blame Canada

[Benny]

Originally posted by ga16i
I remember 2 years ago being at a Las Vegas McDonald's for a late night snack. 50 McNuggets was a regular menu item! I mean WTF, how is that a normal thing to have on a menu?!! The large McCafe iced coffee was literally like 1L of drink.

Haha yeah. Here mcnuggets are either 6 or 10. In many places in the US it starts at 10 and the next size up is 50. And the 50 is something like $12 too. What a country :rofl:

[Feruk]

People blaming others for their obesity is as silly as people blaming "bad genetics" for obesity. If you've got a problem with your body, take your fat ass somewhere to exercise and stop eating deep fried processed crap. Seems pretty simple to me.

I would say the Japanese to American example is relatively poor. From my limited knowledge of the Japanese, I'd bet they eat a lot more fresh food and (probably just as important) don't drive everywhere like Americans do.

[max_boost]

Cause Americans are dumb, well the majority of them are haha

[bourge73]

It also comes down to laziness, convenience, and easy..money. It is expensive to eat healthy.... In the States it is easier, and cheaper, to just go out, as the portion sizes vs. price is just crazy. Plus everywhere you go in the States, there is a place to eat, or get beers....

[FixedGear]

Originally posted by max_boost
Cause Americans are dumb, well the majority of them are haha

I've lived in both countries, and Canadians are just as dumb. :dunno: so are most of the immigrants to Canada. i've also been in many other countries, and people are dumb there, too. :dunno:

[Toma]

Good god.

To all you that think Propaganda, persuasion, social influence, marketing, lobby groups etc are a figment of the imagination, and not part of social psychology and soceity, and think you are truly immune, congrats.

To all who think food does not biochemically alter our brains, and neurlology, you are wrong.

To those that think addiction is a figment of the imagination, and you are immune, congrats again, you are super human.

But for REAL humans, with REAL biology, these things matter, and are a driving force in our behaviour, our cravings, and our physiological responses.

Ok, all you super humans go back and bury your head in the sand, and blame people for corporations threatening the WHO to cover reports, or buying out politicians to institute policy.

Yes, FAT is bad, so replace it with sugar, or even better, high fructose corn syrup, and for sure, people will have less heart attacks.

[Masked Bandit]

As a man that could stand to lose a few (or more) pounds, it's nobody's fault but my own. I can change it at any time if I want to, and I have at times. People need to grow a pair and take responsibility for their own actions. End of discussion.

[ZenOps]

Land of the fatties.

Seriously though. Go to a McDonalds in the US and Supersize everything for cheap. Then offer to share your food with people.

Instantly you become a god.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by Toma
Good god.

To all you that think Propaganda, persuasion, social influence, marketing, lobby groups etc are a figment of the imagination, and not part of social psychology and soceity, and think you are truly immune, congrats.

To all who think food does not biochemically alter our brains, and neurlology, you are wrong.

To those that think addiction is a figment of the imagination, and you are immune, congrats again, you are super human.

But for REAL humans, with REAL biology, these things matter, and are a driving force in our behaviour, our cravings, and our physiological responses.

Ok, all you super humans go back and bury your head in the sand, and blame people for corporations threatening the WHO to cover reports, or buying out politicians to institute policy.

Yes, FAT is bad, so replace it with sugar, or even better, high fructose corn syrup, and for sure, people will have less heart attacks. So turn off the television, and go the fuck OUTSIDE, and you'll find amazingly enough, you're virtually immune to all that shit.

I do see your point, I really do. But honestly, people have to use that shit between their ears and start making healthy choices instead of blindly believing everything they see on TV.

[collectskulls]

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[hampstor]

With that many obese and overweight people who don't care enough to take care of themselves, I wouldn't want to pay for their healthcare either.

[Go4Long]

Originally posted by collectskulls
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so true. :rofl:

Sure you can get addicted to mcdonalds (guilty) but that doesn't mean it's their fault you're fat, it just means that you know better and choose to eat there anyway. It's like if a wife started blaming viagra ads for her husband wanting to get some all the time, they're marketing a product people want...so shoot em.

It's not the crack dealer's fault that crack heads are crack heads either by the way.

[Redlined_8000]

All a result of modern society...

[Swank]

Have a 2 hour watch and then comment? What is this, homework haha?

As a person who hasn't had cable in approx 10 years (by choice) you sure notice how much nicer life is without commercials. Useless products have come and gone without me ever knowing they existed. When you do see a commercial at a friend's place you realize they foster and prey upon idiocy. You also notice how everyone often just stops and stares at the TV, hypnotized. And of course TV shows are wayyy better without interruptions :thumbsup:

This is just a bit of a tangent on the above remarks about advertising. As far as obesity goes I agree with most that it's your own responsibility. You gotta chiggity check.

[max_boost]

Haha OK. So they are out to get us. At least there are still a few of us who can filter through the bs and hold ourselves accountable for the choices we make in life. lol

[Disoblige]

By the way, there are a lot of people out there who aren't in shape and don't look "fat" even though they are, especially when they are wearing clothes. You guys know what I mean.

So with that said, if you notice that you're getting fat to the point where you look obese and you choose to continue this lifestyle, then that's your own damn fault.

You don't eat unhealthy for a month and turn obese. It happens over time.

[black13]

Interesting video. Will definitely watch the series later.

But I agree with many things Toma says. You think anyone who is fat has no one but themselves to blame but I don't think all the blame should be on them.

Yes corporations running food companies for profit are most definitely to blame.

Mcdonalds is obviously going to make more money when there are more fat people.

And not to mention the government subsidies of corn in North America. Everything from sweetner's in soft drinks to Cow feed use it and that definitely has an affect on obesity rates.

Another thing I would say is, in North America we have always had an abbundance of beef since we settled here. While in Asia, seafood has always been there easy food to get. It just so happens that Beef makes you alot fatter and unhealthier when eaten in big amounts.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by black13
Interesting video. Will definitely watch the series later.

But I agree with many things Toma says. You think anyone who is fat has no one but themselves to blame but I don't think all the blame should be on them.

Yes corporations running food companies for profit are most definitely to blame.

Mcdonalds is obviously going to make more money when there are more fat people.

And not to mention the government subsidies of corn in North America. Everything from sweetner's in soft drinks to Cow feed use it and that definitely has an affect on obesity rates.

Another thing I would say is, in North America we have always had an abbundance of beef since we settled here. While in Asia, seafood has always been there easy food to get. It just so happens that Beef makes you alot fatter and unhealthier when eaten in big amounts. Bullshit. Nobody held a gun to anyone's head and said "Stuff this baconator into your pie hole."

[CompletelyNumb]

Originally posted by codetrap
Bullshit. Nobody held a gun to anyone's head and said "Stuff this baconator into your pie hole."

:werd:

How the fuck can anyone even keep a straight face when you're arguing that it's not peoples own fault. Eating right and exercising are not mysteries of life. Sitting on a couch shoving hot pockets into your mouth is your fault. Not McCains.

[Toma]

So the "old" food pyramid that was taught in schools to kids for over two decades..... (like I was)

It was deliberately false, and in retrospect, dangerous. Lobby money, political pressure etc made it happen that way.

For those that grew up in that era, that did what they were taught, even today, many people don;t know better.....

Was it their fault?

When seemingly credible people were saying (AHA, nutritionists, some doctors) "Fat makes you fat, and causes heart disease", while a small minority that correctly blamed sugar were "discredited".... an entire generation of people were fed and raised on "low fat", and as a substitute for the fat, they artificially flavoured, added sugar.... but today we KNOW that THAT is a sure fire recipe to heart surgery....

Who's fault was that?

When the WHO was about to issue a report about the dangers of over consuming sugar, and the sugar industry responded with threats of $400 million and sent their American ambassador to help bury the report.... who's fault was that?

When High Fructose Corn syrup was substituted into Coke instead of Sugar to save money, when they found that it was sweeter, and the sweeter it was, the more they sold.... so suddenly your 1973 Coke looked like Vitamin C to your 1980 Coke.... who's fault was that? Did they tell you how much worse it was for you??

The rat studies from 1974 were fascinating......

Yep, all these things were the fat peoples fault.

Watch the videos. There's a third part out.

At the very least, you'll learn how to feed your kids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMBwVb6v0FQ

[CompletelyNumb]

All valid points, toma. But it's 2012. What false information is being taught to us now that is preventing us from taking responsibility for our own obesity? I'm sorry but I don't subscribe to the theory that bad science 40 years ago is causing todays bad decisions. You would have to be living under a rock to not know what foods are unhealthy today.

[Toma]

Originally posted by CompletelyNumb
All valid points, toma. But it's 2012. What false information is being taught to us now that is preventing us from taking responsibility for our own obesity? I'm sorry but I don't subscribe to the theory that bad science 40 years ago is causing todays bad decisions. You would have to be living under a rock to not know what foods are unhealthy today.

Good god. Watch the shows.

[CompletelyNumb]

F*ck it. I watched the first one to see if I could better understand your perspective.

But it presented no new evidence. No ground breaking news. No unheard of information.

Sugar makes you fat. People like sugar. Industry leaders use their influence to keep their sugar products in the marketplace.

How does this add up to "people are not responsible for themselves"

Nutrition labels have been pretty much standard since 1990. Are people not responsible enough to understand what those numbers mean? Where's the accountability here? Do you believe in some super nanny state where the government is responsible for spoon feeding us every meal every day and it has to be healthy?

Are you over weight toma? Because I'm not. I've eaten all these bad foods. Yes, ice cream is good. Sure, I like fast food. But it's unhealthy, so I choose not to eat it. Am I just smarter than the average person? Why can't obese people make that logical conclusion?

Next you're going to tell me that people smoke today because tobacco companies said it was healthy in the 50s. :nut:

[scboss]

Originally posted by CompletelyNumb
F*ck it. I watched the first one to see if I could better understand your perspective.

But it presented no new evidence. No ground breaking news. No unheard of information.

Sugar makes you fat. People like sugar. Industry leaders use their influence to keep their sugar products in the marketplace.

How does this add up to "people are not responsible for themselves"

Nutrition labels have been pretty much standard since 1990. Are people not responsible enough to understand what those numbers mean? Where's the accountability here? Do you believe in some super nanny state where the government is responsible for spoon feeding us every meal every day and it has to be healthy?

Are you over weight toma? Because I'm not. I've eaten all these bad foods. Yes, ice cream is good. Sure, I like fast food. But it's unhealthy, so I choose not to eat it. Am I just smarter than the average person? Why can't obese people make that logical conclusion?

Next you're going to tell me that people smoke today because tobacco companies said it was healthy in the 50s. :nut:

As someone who works in the fitness industry I can tell you that a majority of our population have food addictions. I would never put a client on a strict diet(99.99% fail rate) but most of them cant even make healthy choices because of
laziness, convenience, taste, how they were raised and addiction.

In the end tho you have no one to blame but yourself. You choose to buy the products its not like we get free coca-cola or mcdonalds.

Blaming others for you getting fat is ridiculous and is a easy way out.

Next vid is going to be about people blaming society for doing hookers, blow and driving drunk LMAO :facepalm:

[Go4Long]

Originally posted by warcaster
Laziness, convenience, taste, how they were raised and addiction.


I still don't buy it. I don't think addiction to food is possible except in extremely rare cases. The "addiction" argument is just another way that people don't want to accept accountability for their own actions.

People don't go to McDonalds 6 times a week because they're shaking from the lack of fries, they go to McDonalds 6 times a week because they fuckin like McDonalds, they don't want to cook, it's on their way home, and that's it.

[scboss]

Originally posted by Go4Long


I still don't buy it. I don't think addiction to food is possible except in extremely rare cases. The "addiction" argument is just another way that people don't want to accept accountability for their own actions.

People don't go to McDonalds 6 times a week because they're shaking from the lack of fries, they go to McDonalds 6 times a week because they fuckin like McDonalds, they don't want to cook, it's on their way home, and that's it.

Yeah man but thats addiction haha. You can be addicted to the lifestyle, convenience, taste etc.

[benyl]

99% of America isn't a big baller like everyone on beyond. Eating healthy is NOT affordable in America. It is way cheaper to buy reconstituted chicken (nuggets) than a real chicken. You really think that fat Americans wants to eat junk? It is all they can afford. Almost everything they eat is golden brown.

Watch Jamie Oliver's Food revolution. It shows you that they serve shit food in schools because it is way cheaper and they are on strict budgets. It is also easier because all they have to do is reheat it, instead of cooking it. Cooking takes time and time is money. They don't need to hire real cooks to reheat and serve instant food.

People do have choices, but processed foods make that choice harder, not easier. Kraft Mac and Cheese takes, what 10 minutes to cook. Kraft came out with instant shit that you microwave for 2 minutes and it is served. People are lazy. We know that. Corporations make it easier to buy the 2 minute Mac and Cheese and cheaper than buying real maccaroni, and buy real cheese. Have any of you ballers actually priced out the cost of making mac and cheese with real cheddar?

My family has been running restaurants for 30+ years. I understand food costs and I can tell you right now that buying a frozen pizza is exponentially cheaper than making the real thing. I am talking about making your own Pizza sauce from real tomatoes and not buy canned tomatoes.

The drought in the US that is happening right now is only going to make the problem worse. Corn yields are expect to drop significantly. This will affect everything from Beef to Coke and even gas prices (ethanol).

[Go4Long]

Originally posted by warcaster


Yeah man but thats addiction haha. You can be addicted to the lifestyle, convenience, taste etc.

No, it's not


addiction[uh-dik-shuhn]:

the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.

Ceasing to eat crap food doesn't cause you severe trauma, you're not enslaved by McNuggets. People aren't addicted to McDonalds, they're reliant on it. There's no mental or physical NEED for McDonalds, they just rely on it because it's easy.

[scboss]

Originally posted by Go4Long


No, it's not



Ceasing to eat crap food doesn't cause you severe trauma, you're not enslaved by McNuggets. People aren't addicted to McDonalds, they're reliant on it. There's no mental or physical NEED for McDonalds, they just rely on it because it's easy.

Depends how you look at it. I can say for a fact I am addicted to the taste of certain foods otherwise id be eating yams and tilapia for the next 100 meals.

Mental addictions do alot more damage then you think. I know where your coming from tho.

[1barA4]

Originally posted by Disoblige

I think the corporations take advantage of laziness. You could go to the supermarket and buy fresh and healthy food and not spend much at all. But that requires some time to prep the food, and most people are lazy-ass and/or don't manage their time well enough to do that.

Oh absolutely. We (wife and I) save over $200/month by not eating out and cooking for ourselves, so it's definitely not cost-driven, it's purely effort.

Without significantly increasing my activity level, I've lost over 30lbs in the last 90 days (and she's back to her high school weight and size 0 clothes again).

[CompletelyNumb]

Originally posted by 1barA4
(and she's back to her high school weight and size 0 clothes again).


:clap: :thumbsup:

[sputnik]

Denis Leary sums it up best...

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[1barA4]

Originally posted by CompletelyNumb



:clap: :thumbsup:

Cheers! :bigpimp:

Yeah she's excited and now I have my loli wife again and I'm lighter than I've been in a decade (still a fat-o bastard-o but less fat now)!

Food, especially tasty processed food, is definitely psychologically addicting but it's not the same as a real physical dependency (that has actual withdrawal symptoms). Giving up McDicks, the only withdrawal symptom is you stop being a fat bastard.

That's not to say psychological addictions aren't tough to kick, but it's just in your head (so kicking it requires changing how you think about things) versus your body making you physically ill when you give it up.

Carb craving =/= heroin withdrawal :D

[arian_ma]

Mental addiction is just another way of saying you have a weak mind.

[FixedGear]

i really don't give a fuck, big mac = :drool: :drool: :drool:

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Disoblige

I think the corporations take advantage of laziness. You could go to the supermarket and buy fresh and healthy food and not spend much at all. But that requires some time to prep the food, and most people are lazy-ass and/or don't manage their time well enough to do that.

Disagree


Originally posted by benyl
99% of America isn't a big baller like everyone on beyond. Eating healthy is NOT affordable in America. It is way cheaper to buy reconstituted chicken (nuggets) than a real chicken. You really think that fat Americans wants to eat junk? It is all they can afford. Almost everything they eat is golden brown.


Agree, as well as Canada. Eating proper healthy food is NOT cheap at all. I sometimes do the math in my head while eating dinner, and a lot of the time I know for a fact I could be having a cheaper dinner, that is more filling at a fast food restaurant, or processed store food.

Example, 2L of OJ is $3.50? 2L of Kool-Aid orange flavour is what, like 30cents, lol.

THAT is how "someone else" HELPED make people fat. But even if you do eat junk, you can easily get the fuck off the couch, and go for a jog.

[benyl]

Originally posted by 1barA4


Oh absolutely. We (wife and I) save over $200/month by not eating out and cooking for ourselves, so it's definitely not cost-driven, it's purely effort.

Without significantly increasing my activity level, I've lost over 30lbs in the last 90 days (and she's back to her high school weight and size 0 clothes again).

I would be interested to know how much you throw out.

Two people can't consume a head of lettuce if it is a side for a entre.

Real food spoils quickly.

We go out once a week, but we also toss a lot of "left over" vegitables, etc.

But I am still a fat fucker... I guess I need to get off the couch.

[1barA4]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


Agree, as well as Canada. Eating proper healthy food is NOT cheap at all. I sometimes do the math in my head while eating dinner, and a lot of the time I know for a fact I could be having a cheaper dinner, that is more filling at a fast food restaurant, or processed store food.

Example, 2L of OJ is $3.50? 2L of Kool-Aid orange flavour is what, like 30cents, lol.

THAT is how "someone else" HELPED make people fat. But even if you do eat junk, you can easily get the fuck off the couch, and go for a jog, lol.

Re: my previous comment about saving $$ by actually grocery shopping -- where we were eating out ranged from the fast food joints to 'regular' restaurants, nothing baller like steakhouses all the time and we save a few hundred a month on making our own food.

There is an equilibrium point though - like you said, some poorer choices can be cheaper compared to the cheapest fast food, especially on a calorie-to-calorie comparison.

However, what we have found is that on a volume (not calorie) comparison, for equivalent money you can buy more volume of 'good' food versus crappy fast food. I eat more (volume) with about 60% less calories for equivalent money that we were spending at:
- McDicks at least two to four meals a week, including weekends (breakfast on Sundays)
- Sushi once every two weeks (some months, once a week)
- Chianti's every two weeks

I'm still no god of health but in another four months my target weight loss will be approx. 60lbs total and I'm not starving and we're saving money at the same time. The difference though, is we're not at poverty line, so where we were eating was definitely not strictly fast food to begin with (if we were scraping to get by and could barely afford McDonald's, I absolutely agree it would cost more to make healthier choices. But Canada is much less lopsided than the US).

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by benyl
99% of America isn't a big baller like everyone on beyond. Eating healthy is NOT affordable in America. It is way cheaper to buy reconstituted chicken (nuggets) than a real chicken. You really think that fat Americans wants to eat junk? It is all they can afford. Almost everything they eat is golden brown.

Watch Jamie Oliver's Food revolution. It shows you that they serve shit food in schools because it is way cheaper and they are on strict budgets. It is also easier because all they have to do is reheat it, instead of cooking it. Cooking takes time and time is money. They don't need to hire real cooks to reheat and serve instant food.

People do have choices, but processed foods make that choice harder, not easier. Kraft Mac and Cheese takes, what 10 minutes to cook. Kraft came out with instant shit that you microwave for 2 minutes and it is served. People are lazy. We know that. Corporations make it easier to buy the 2 minute Mac and Cheese and cheaper than buying real maccaroni, and buy real cheese. Have any of you ballers actually priced out the cost of making mac and cheese with real cheddar?

My family has been running restaurants for 30+ years. I understand food costs and I can tell you right now that buying a frozen pizza is exponentially cheaper than making the real thing. I am talking about making your own Pizza sauce from real tomatoes and not buy canned tomatoes.

The drought in the US that is happening right now is only going to make the problem worse. Corn yields are expect to drop significantly. This will affect everything from Beef to Coke and even gas prices (ethanol).

100% agree. Everyone here keeps talking "well you have nothing but yourself to blame." Yes I understand that argument, but there are a lot of factors that causes someone to do certain habits and make certain decisions.

I buy raw unprocessed honey because it's very good for your body, all natural that is known to reverse diabetes and lower cholesterol, but it costs $11 for 22oz. Or I can go to the local grocery store and buy 128oz of high fructose corn syrup for $20. There's plenty of studies out there that show what damage corn syrup can do. The price difference between eating healthy and unhealthy is staggering.

Or another scenario, a mother needs to feed her kid, but recently had a pay cut due to the economic recession. She can go to the local grocery store and buy healthy:

$2.99 5oz lean ham
$3.50 loaf of whole wheat bread
$2.50 american cheese singles 25 pieces
$2.00 bottle of mayo.
(*prices based on a recent grocery trip I did)

versus
$0.99 McDonalds McDouble

Yes she is buying items in bulk, and she can make more than just one sandwich, but I don't think a kid will eat the same sandwich over and over for the next few days. Also the fresh items are perishable and have a shelf life of normally a week.

So it's easy to say eat healthy, make more stuff at home, stop going out to eat, but for some it isn't. Unemployment is really high, and sometimes that value menu at McDonalds just sounds more suitable.

[arian_ma]

Originally posted by Zephyr
snip
Regardless of any of those things, it's not McDonald's fault that unemployment is high, or people are poor. People in North America have the luxury of not STARVING TO DEATH on a daily basis, but as a trade off we sometimes have to eat unhealthy, yet STILL we find a way to complain.

The situation SUCKS, but regardless of any other factor, you can eat unhealthy and still lead a healthy lifestyle. Just because circumstantially someone has to eat shitty doesn't mean they have to give up ALL OTHER ASPECTS of being healthy. I understand that people got 99 problems, but in this case HEALTH IS ONE OF THEM and you can't just say "well shit I'm poor so let's be obese too."

It's a problem, it's got a solution that reaches FAR BEYOND eating healthy, and people in North America don't take even half a step towards health and again try to find a scapegoat for their problems.

:whipped: :whipped:

[benyl]

Originally posted by arian_ma

The situation SUCKS, but regardless of any other factor, you can eat unhealthy and still lead a healthy lifestyle.

WUT?

That is like saying a smoker can have healthy lungs by running everyday.

You are what you eat.

Kids learn and behave better when they eat healthy. I bet that half of all ADD kids could get off the ritalin and be normal just by eating salad instead of eating tatter tots at school. Kids love Pizza day.

Kids don't make their own food. They choose food based on taste. French fries taste good. Salad is yucky. Give a kid the option, see what they choose. Their choice isn't based on logic, it is based on desire. And in this day and age, you can't keep you kids from eating shit food. There is too much out there.

To say that a kid has a choice is pushing it. If pop (soda) didn't exist, or was prohibitively expensive, a kid would drink juice, water or milk. Pop is cheap and pervasive. Of course the kid is going to drink it.

My kid has never had a hotdog. But he is 16 months old. We have chosen for him. When he is old enough, I am sure that at a birthday party or at an amusment park, he will taste a hot dog and love it. Why? It is savory and fatty. He doesn't know it is shit food. He just knows it tastes way better than the rice and vegitables he gets at home.

He will likely demand hot dogs more often and refuse to eat other things (I have seen this with other children). You have no choice but to feed you kid the hotdog so that he will eat SOMETHING.

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by arian_ma

Regardless of any of those things, it's not McDonald's fault that unemployment is high, or people are poor. People in North America have the luxury of not STARVING TO DEATH on a daily basis, but as a trade off we sometimes have to eat unhealthy, yet STILL we find a way to complain.

The situation SUCKS, but regardless of any other factor, you can eat unhealthy and still lead a healthy lifestyle. Just because circumstantially someone has to eat shitty doesn't mean they have to give up ALL OTHER ASPECTS of being healthy. I understand that people got 99 problems, but in this case HEALTH IS ONE OF THEM and you can't just say "well shit I'm poor so let's be obese too."

It's a problem, it's got a solution that reaches FAR BEYOND eating healthy, and people in North America don't take even half a step towards health and again try to find a scapegoat for their problems.

:whipped: :whipped:

I'm not blaming McDonalds, I'm simply showing that they are a cheaper more viable option for some. The whole point I was trying to MAKE was that there is a BIGGER PROBLEM than simply saying "it's nothing but their own fault."

Corn is heavily subsidized in the United States, thus corn syrup is EVERYWHERE. But of course, it's the person's fault, not because THE SYSTEM is somewhat FLAWED as well.

I just wanted to COPY your random ALL CAPS of certain WORDS.






LOUD NOISES!

[codetrap]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok

Example, 2L of OJ is $3.50? 2L of Kool-Aid orange flavour is what, like 30cents, lol.

Actually, it's $0.99 for 2L if you make it from frozen, and you can easily stretch that to 3L if you're like me and don't like it full strength.

Maybe you're paying $4 for the prepackaged processed carton of OJ.. but I'm not.

Oh, and bitching about what the cafeteria is serving? Then take that 1.4 minutes out of your life to pack your kid a lunch for the next day. PB&J, or Ham & Cheese.. etc.. cheaper, healthier and better.

Edit Again:
It's not more expensive to eat Healthy. It's actually cheaper, as can be shown by my grocery bill. What a lot of you are confusing is eating "Organic" vs regular. It's far more expensive to eat Organic (TM) than processed, but far cheaper to buy all the ingredients and make it yourself. Case in point, my beer can chicken. I bought 3 chickens for $20, and used two can's of beer. Total cost was maybe $30 for 3 full chickens... and there's enough meat there for a week easy for a family of 3. Then I can make soup out of it for another few days of lunches.. vs spending $20/day at McPukes for dinner for 3..

[benyl]

Originally posted by codetrap


Actually, it's $0.99 for 2L if you make it from frozen, and you can easily stretch that to 3L if you're like me and don't like it full strength.

Maybe you're paying $4 for the prepackaged processed carton of OJ.. but I'm not.

Haha, are you sure about that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_juice

Wikipedia is no authority, but I know for a fact that Freshly squeezed orange juice is WAY more expensive and has a much shorter shelf life than Frozen OJ that is full of sugar. I don't think that is considered healthy.

The healthy choice is to buy a bag of oranges and squeeze it yourself. Tell me how much that costs per glass and don't forget the time it takes to squeeze it.

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by codetrap


Actually, it's $0.99 for 2L if you make it from frozen, and you can easily stretch that to 3L if you're like me and don't like it full strength.

Maybe you're paying $4 for the prepackaged processed carton of OJ.. but I'm not.

Oh, and bitching about what the cafeteria is serving? Then take that 1.4 minutes out of your life to pack your kid a lunch for the next day. PB&J, or Ham & Cheese.. etc.. cheaper, healthier and better.

Well I'm not sure about Canada, but in the States (land of the fatties), the concentrate is loaded with high fructose corn syrup. I'm confused on why something that is supposedly "sweet" naturally has so much added corn sugar.

[arian_ma]

Originally posted by benyl


Originally posted by Zephyr

Both of you seem to be missing the point I'm trying to make. Yes, the food one eats is a huge part of being healthy, massive. But if you have no choice but eat unhealthy, AND simultaneously sit on your ass all day long, well one of those things is out of your realm of control and so there is no blame for it, but sitting on your ass all day? No, that's in your control, and if you don't exercise REGARDLESS of what you eat, you are out of shape and unhealthy.

Benyl, you are right with your smoker analogy, but smoking is also totally in one's realm of control, and so I can't fully agree with your example. Conversely you are not going to be healthy by eating salad all day long and sitting on your ass. It's a combination of many things and if one of those factors is out of your hand, then you better up the other factors until you can get everything under control again.

Edit: On another note Benyl, your kid eats and drinks only what you let him/her eat and drink. The kid doesn't drink pop cause it's cheap, kid drinks pop cause mommy and daddy bought it for him/her.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by benyl


Haha, are you sure about that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_juice

Wikipedia is no authority, but I know for a fact that Freshly squeezed orange juice is WAY more expensive and has a much shorter shelf life than Frozen OJ that is full of sugar. I don't think that is considered healthy.

The healthy choice is to buy a bag of oranges and squeeze it yourself. Tell me how much that costs per glass and don't forget the time it takes to squeeze it.

Read your link man. They take the same OJ that goes into the carton, and simply take all the water out, then package that in a smaller container. The only diff is pasteurization, which is a heating process, not an additive process.

The TRULY healthy choice is to eat an orange, then drink a glass of water. Cost per glass is $0.0006.

[benyl]

Originally posted by codetrap


Read your link man. They take the same OJ that goes into the carton, and simply take all the water out, then package that in a smaller container. The only diff is pasteurization, which is a heating process, not an additive process.

The TRULY healthy choice is to eat an orange, then drink a glass of water. Cost per glass is $0.0006.

Guess you didn't read this section:


Additives

Some producers add citric acid or ascorbic acid to juice beyond what is naturally found in the orange. Some also include other nutrients. Often, additional vitamin C is added to replace that destroyed in pasteurization. Additional calcium may be added. Vitamin D, not found naturally in oranges, may be added as well. Sometimes Omega-3 fatty acids from fish oils are added to orange juice.[8]

Low-acid varieties of orange juice also are available.

Juice producers generally use evaporators to remove much of the water from the juice in order to decrease its weight and decrease transportation costs.[9]

Because the process removes the aroma compounds that give it a fresh-squeezed taste, producers later add back these compounds in a proprietary mixture, called a "flavor pack", in order to improve the taste and to ensure a consistent year-round taste.[9][10] The compounds in the flavor packs are derived from orange peels.[10] Producers do not mention the addition of flavor packs on the label of the orange juice


So we get extra "flavour and Vitamins" and who knows what else in the "flavour pack."

[kvg]

It's all life style choice, but some people are too lazy to make a choice that takes more effort. Eating crap can be a HABIT, because its easy. I think using the term addiction is just a way to blame others for a poor lifestyle choice. My 2c

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by codetrap

Edit Again:
It's not more expensive to eat Healthy. It's actually cheaper, as can be shown by my grocery bill. What a lot of you are confusing is eating "Organic" vs regular. It's far more expensive to eat Organic (TM) than processed, but far cheaper to buy all the ingredients and make it yourself. Case in point, my beer can chicken. I bought 3 chickens for $20, and used two can's of beer. Total cost was maybe $30 for 3 full chickens... and there's enough meat there for a week easy for a family of 3. Then I can make soup out of it for another few days of lunches.. vs spending $20/day at McPukes for dinner for 3..

The example I posted is based on regular brands, Kraft, Hormel and store brand (Safeway, grocery store chain in the US). None of it is organic, if it was, the price would be about 30% higher.

See the thing with your idea is that, "man, I'm going to buy chicken in bulk, and we're going to have a chicken for the whole week!" That works for adults, but not for kids.

[FixedGear]

Originally posted by codetrap

Edit Again:
It's not more expensive to eat Healthy. It's actually cheaper, as can be shown by my grocery bill. What a lot of you are confusing is eating "Organic" vs regular. It's far more expensive to eat Organic (TM) than processed, but far cheaper to buy all the ingredients and make it yourself. Case in point, my beer can chicken. I bought 3 chickens for $20, and used two can's of beer. Total cost was maybe $30 for 3 full chickens... and there's enough meat there for a week easy for a family of 3. Then I can make soup out of it for another few days of lunches.. vs spending $20/day at McPukes for dinner for 3..

no way, it's far more expensive to make a good cheeseburger from scratch than it is to get a mcdouble at mcdonalds.

same goes with just about any food you can name.

I've been making my own pizzas for over a decade now, and I spend about as much on the cheese alone as it costs to buy a frozen pizza, or a pizza from one of the large corporate chains for that matter. And that's just food cost, i'm not even mentioning my labor costs (it takes me probably 2 hours of labor in total to make a single pizza, although it's stretched out over a few days).

[codetrap]

Originally posted by benyl


Guess you didn't read this section:



So we get extra "flavour and Vitamins" and who knows what else in the "flavour pack."
You're right. I didn't read that far down. I blame it on the JD & Red Rain last night and my urgent desire to not puke in my garbage can at work today.


Originally posted by Zephyr


The example I posted is based on regular brands, Kraft, Hormel and store brand (Safeway, grocery store chain in the US). None of it is organic, if it was, the price would be about 30% higher.

See the thing with your idea is that, "man, I'm going to buy chicken in bulk, and we're going to have a chicken for the whole week!" That works for adults, but not for kids. Well.. that's the beauty about buying bulk and having a fridge.. I do one chicken, then do something else in 2 nights, and so on... rotating it up.

And it does work for my little girl.. then again, she'd happily eat KD every night of the week LOL.

[1barA4]

Originally posted by benyl


I would be interested to know how much you throw out.

Two people can't consume a head of lettuce if it is a side for a entre.

Real food spoils quickly.

We go out once a week, but we also toss a lot of "left over" vegitables, etc.

But I am still a fat fucker... I guess I need to get off the couch.

Honestly, we throw out very little. The one thing we originally were over-buying was lunch meat for our sammies we bring to work - we were definitely under-buying produce. That led to us having to go grocery shopping every three days.

Now that we have it worked out we buy approx. 400g of meat lasts us six days, so we can have a sandwich for Saturday's lunch or consume a few slices with vegetables for snacks, and we buy exactly the amount of produce we need to last 7 days, give or take, so we only do weekly trips to the grocery store, aside from a mid-week milk run (we make our own McDonald's style vanilla or caramel ice coffees using 0 calorie sugar-free syrup).

You know what helps with the produce? Those green bags -- they've not quite doubled the shelf-life of our produce but they're consumable for much longer than before (not as long as garden-grown vegetables, but definitely more days still being edible than without the green bags).

Trust me, my BMI is still a ways off from being 'good' (not that BMI is a measure of healthiness, it's just a statistical measure for dividing a population or something like that), but I'm half way to my size/weight goal in only 3 months and that's almost 100% from diet. A food diary is the best way to make yourself re-assess what's going into your mouth, and while technically you should also focus on nutrition, I make healthier choices so I can eat the largest volume possible (that's why I'm not hungry! I could put two whole large chicken breasts on a plate, shake & bake'd, for approx the same calories as a McChicken and a few fries, not even a whole thing of fries, which would leave me hungry, angry and guilty).

Now, perhaps I should shut my mouth until I'm totally skinny again, but in only three months all of my regular work clothes now look like I'm a little kid wearing his dad's dress shirts. The hardest thing about the lifestyle change (because this isn't just a short term diet, well the 1000+ per day calorie deficit is, but the eating habits are not) is the drastic reduction in red meat. I eat a ton of fish, shellfish and chicken now (not even pork), because of the whole 'volume vs. calories' I mentioned before. The benefit is, I find when I drastically reduce my red meat intake, I also consume way less carbs, but it's still hard (even being a former non-strict vegetarian, I love red meat).

[JayDoggExclusiv]

Diet is by choice, blaming coorporations is just a sad excuse as to why north america is fat and obese. Yea the coorporations are corrupt and care about their share holders more than the consumer market, but that isn't going to make you healthy or skinnier. Find a way around it. Life is tough and keeping in shape is tough....so what? There are people who do it so why can't you? Bitch ass excuses gets you no where. I've spent the same ammount on healthy grocieres from a grocery store in one month as I did on fast food before I changed up my life style a year ago and started eating right and hitting the gym, I feel stronger and more healthy and the best I've ever felt in my life really. Excuses as to why you're out of shape or obese are no one to blame but yourself.

[1barA4]

Originally posted by Zephyr


The example I posted is based on regular brands, Kraft, Hormel and store brand (Safeway, grocery store chain in the US). None of it is organic, if it was, the price would be about 30% higher.

See the thing with your idea is that, "man, I'm going to buy chicken in bulk, and we're going to have a chicken for the whole week!" That works for adults, but not for kids.


"Daddy, I don't like chicken"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DSaZlVnPOKw#t=460s

[FixedGear]

Originally posted by 1barA4

400g of meat lasts us six days

for reals? 33 gm of meat per sandwich? that's like 1 tiny thin slice! i put 100g on my sandwiches, and I still could put more!

[1barA4]

Originally posted by FixedGear


for reals? 33 gm of meat per sandwich? that's like 1 tiny thin slice! i put 100g on my sandwiches, and I still could put more!

Yessir. That is like one to two slices (depends how thin/thick they're sliced). Going with something like chicken or turkey, that's 1 (or less) calories per gram. A little bit of meat, a nice pita or some of that Dempster's European Rye (some of the lowest calorie real bread you can get) and a crapton of salad mix (no dressing) into each. That, plus half a cucumber and half a pepper, sometimes a few baby carrots and I'm good to go, especially now that I have breakfast (35-calorie Source Vanilla Tango yogurt and a 100-calorie Fiber One bar).

Upping the fiber in my diet was a big thing to keep me full -- bear in mind my McDonald's meal of choice used to be a Big Mac Meal, super-sized (Coke to drink), and a Filet-o-Fish (if I felt like 'chinese food') or a double cheeseburger, so while that seems like a tiny breakfast and lunch, it really does fill me up a lot more than you'd think.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by FixedGear


no way, it's far more expensive to make a good cheeseburger from scratch than it is to get a mcdouble at mcdonalds.

same goes with just about any food you can name.

I've been making my own pizzas for over a decade now, and I spend about as much on the cheese alone as it costs to buy a frozen pizza, or a pizza from one of the large corporate chains for that matter. And that's just food cost, i'm not even mentioning my labor costs (it takes me probably 2 hours of labor in total to make a single pizza, although it's stretched out over a few days).


Let's explore this..
A quarter pounder with cheese from McDicks is what, $3.50? To make this exact burger we need ground beef, buns, cheese slices, ketchup and mustard, and a pickle and slivered onions..

From Coop
1lb lean ground beef $4.29 / 1.08
8 Buns: $3.00 / 0.37
Cheese slices 24pk is $5.99 - unit price is 0.24
1 Onion $1.00 / say one slice out of 10 /. 0.10
Ketchup $1.99 / a squirt.. maybe 0.05
Mustard $1.99/ a squirt.. maybe 0.05
Jar of pickles $2.99 / .05/pickle

So, the cost to make that quarter pounder is $1.94, without all the chemicals, and you have enough leftover ingredients to make at least 3 more, plus if you bought more beef, you could make even MORE as you'll already have most of the ingredients in your fridge.. sure, your initial outlay may be higher, but you're also going to be able to make FAR more food with it.

http://meetyourfood.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/perfectcheeseburger-300x181.jpg

[LOLzilla]

Pick your brand.

http://i.imgur.com/Nk1xm.jpgf

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by Go4Long


No, it's not



Ceasing to eat crap food doesn't cause you severe trauma, you're not enslaved by McNuggets. People aren't addicted to McDonalds, they're reliant on it. There's no mental or physical NEED for McDonalds, they just rely on it because it's easy.
According to recent research and studies, Carbs for one ARE addictive, and devastatingly so in some people.


http://www.drozfans.com/dr-ozs-advice/dr-oz-carb-addiction-are-carbohydrates-the-new-cocaine/

http://www.walnutcrossfit.com/carbs-more-addictive-than-cocaine/

http://www.diabetesdaily.com/voices/2012/02/the-real-source-of-carb-addiction/

[benyl]

Originally posted by codetrap



Let's explore this..

*snip*

sure, your initial outlay may be higher, but you're also going to be able to make FAR more food with it.


That's the rub. You either have to eat the same thing for a week, or freeze it, or throw it out.

if you make 4 quater pound hamburgers from the pound of beef you bought, will cost you $5.31 / buger (all your costs divide by 4). Sure you have left over condiments that have shelf life, but they are full of sugar (haha).

If you only make 1 burger, it costs $21.25 for that burger. More if you add lettuce, tomato, etc.

You can get a DQ buger for $0.99

[FixedGear]

Originally posted by codetrap



Let's explore this..
A quarter pounder with cheese from McDicks is what, $3.50? To make this exact burger we need ground beef, buns, cheese slices, ketchup and mustard, and a pickle and slivered onions..

From Coop
1lb lean ground beef $4.29 / 1.08
8 Buns: $3.00 / 0.37
Cheese slices 24pk is $5.99 - unit price is 0.24
1 Onion $1.00 / say one slice out of 10 /. 0.10
Ketchup $1.99 / a squirt.. maybe 0.05
Mustard $1.99/ a squirt.. maybe 0.05
Jar of pickles $2.99 / .05/pickle

So, the cost to make that quarter pounder is $1.94, without all the chemicals, and you have enough leftover ingredients to make at least 3 more, plus if you bought more beef, you could make even MORE as you'll already have most of the ingredients in your fridge.. sure, your initial outlay may be higher, but you're also going to be able to make FAR more food with it.

1) you underestimate the cost of a quarter pounder, which is closer to $5.

2) however, the poor guy is gonna go for the $1.39 McDouble, not the $5 quarter pounder.

3) you assume the person is making a mcdonald's-style burger at home, using the crappiest, most processed ingredients available. You're missing the point. Of course I can go out and buy a bunch of processed, factory-made ingredients and "make" a processed, factory-made burger at home. That's not what anyone meant. We were saying that making your own high quality, healthy food is more expensive than eating processed food. All you did was substitute one processed food for another.

[Nitro5]

Originally posted by FixedGear


for reals? 33 gm of meat per sandwich? that's like 1 tiny thin slice! i put 100g on my sandwiches, and I still could put more!

Deli meat is a water injected rip-off. Buy a decent roast for $8, slice it in half and cook it up on Sunday. Presto, instant sandwich meat for the week. An $8 whole chicken roasts up for meat for a week, etc.

[1barA4]

Originally posted by benyl

That's the rub. You either have to eat the same thing for a week, or freeze it, or throw it out.

I'm pretty conditioned to that, so that's why it may not be a big deal for me to eat the same thing every day (growing up I had the exact same lunch and exact same dinner every weekday for about 7 years; mom was working 3-5 jobs during that period, and weekend meals were at Grandma's).

Nowadays, and bear in mind it's just me and the wife, I cook small amounts of food, something that is only 4-6 servings in total. Even curry, which I used to make enough to make 12+ servings. It's initially tough to scale things like that down, especially when you're used to making large batches, but it helps to not force a dish on you and the fam for 3+ days at a time. Now my dishes last two days tops, so it stays fresh and we're not killing ourselves eating it.

[supe]

I for one think government should step in and weed out some of the crap in our society. Many here are screaming choice but what if 99% of our choice is crap. Its proven that kids will eat or drink whats available to them which is exactly why they are taking all the crap out of schools.

[Modelexis]

Originally posted by supe
I for one think government should step in and weed out some of the crap in our society.

I for one know that you did not watch the video(s).

Or maybe you missed the part where it mentions how government is DIRECTLY responsible for the popularity and low price of corn syrup, or how the government is the KEY tool for corporations to gain protection from opposition.

It's like asking the mafia to help you stop drug use, when they are responsible for the drugs being brought into the community.

[supe]

I'll admit I didn't watch the video, I'm at work, no audio.

BUT it has to be the government! The mafia example is fair but the mafia doesn't run the show. Corporations will always have an underlying drive for profits not ethics so they won't change. The only body that can change things is government. Governments should be there to protect the people.

Allison Redford is an example of a person in power to use it for good with the 140 new clinics she is promising with a focus on preventative medicine.

[Eleanor]

Anyone watch generation kill?

"50% of Americans are obese. You know what obese means, right? Fat as a motherf*cker. All these other countries, nobody's fat. Think about that sh*t, dawg. How does a motherf*cker get fat? You gotta sit on a couch, do nothing but eat and watch TV all day. White trash, poor Mexicans, and blacks...all obese as motherf*ckers. See, the white man has created a system with so much excess that even poor motherf*ckers are fat."

EDIT: Just to add to the debate, I strongly believe that there is a huge choice aspect to obesity, that being said you do need to fight an uphill battle to get healthy, it's by no means easy, but by no means impossible. If you're broke, go eat a McDick's burger, but get off the bus a stop early, or go for a run, or throw a frisbee around instead of playing CoD or watching American Idol.

[Modelexis]

Originally posted by supe
The only body that can change things is government. Governments should be there to protect the people.

What you imagine government should do and what government actually does are two very different things, exact opposites in fact.

Governments will always have an underlying drive for profits not ethics.
Do you think there is no money involved in politics? No insider trading? No back room deals? No promises? No special favors?

Sorry to ruin your fantasy that government is some embodiment of Jesus. I guess you'll have to just look for another solution for the problems that society faces.

I might be so bold as to suggest that parents today raise their kids with a healthy diet and with education about diet and about what it means to track your calorie macros.
This is one way that we can overcome this problem without the help of government.

[FraserB]

I think that if something was at least done about soft drinks it would make a pretty significant dent in the obesity and diabetes issues that are only going to get worse in the coming years. Something like 115g of sugar and 650 calories in 1L of Coke is ridiculous. Not to mention the sizes that are available at places like 7-Eleven. I used to drink a ton and stopping was pretty damn hard, but I haven’t had any in just about 4 months and there is nothing but good that has come from it.

[Toma]

did you guys see the new big gulp container they sell?? god damn, it has to be 2 litres.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by FixedGear


1) you underestimate the cost of a quarter pounder, which is closer to $5.

2) however, the poor guy is gonna go for the $1.39 McDouble, not the $5 quarter pounder.

3) you assume the person is making a mcdonald's-style burger at home, using the crappiest, most processed ingredients available. You're missing the point. Of course I can go out and buy a bunch of processed, factory-made ingredients and "make" a processed, factory-made burger at home. That's not what anyone meant. We were saying that making your own high quality, healthy food is more expensive than eating processed food. All you did was substitute one processed food for another.
1) Can you tell I don't eat at McDicks? LOL
2) I can see your point..
3) I disagree. The burger you're making at home is all fresh ingredients. I'm not talking the shitty predone patties, I'm talking raw ground beef, hand shaped patties.. Fresh onions, the decent buns etc..

Also, to the people that are saying eat the same thing for a week, that's true if you don't have a family, but for those of who DO have more than one person, those supplies will feed us one meal. Then all the condiments etc can be used many many times for other meals, just adding in other ingredients.

I do see where you're coming from, but eating healthy at home is FAR cheaper & healthier in the long run than eating out. If you go as far as making your own bread, then it's even cheaper. This was just a basic example, and of course I'd make the patties better, adding shredded cheese, onions, some spices etc to the mix. If you were to compare the cost of my making one of my SuperCharged Codetrap Burgers, vs going for a Gourmet Burger somewhere, I'm probably still FAR cheaper, and I'll have a ton of leftovers I can use for other meals.



Originally posted by Eleanor
If you're broke, go eat a McDick's burger... If you're broke, go to the food bank. Go to the soup kitchen. There's tons of free food out there. No reason at all to hit McDicks.

[benyl]

Originally posted by FraserB
I think that if something was at least done about soft drinks it would make a pretty significant dent in the obesity and diabetes issues that are only going to get worse in the coming years. Something like 115g of sugar and 650 calories in 1L of Coke is ridiculous. Not to mention the sizes that are available at places like 7-Eleven. I used to drink a ton and stopping was pretty damn hard, but I haven’t had any in just about 4 months and there is nothing but good that has come from it. Didn't Bloomberg try that in New York? did the law go through?

[FixedGear]

Originally posted by codetrap

1) Can you tell I don't eat at McDicks? LOL
2) I can see your point..
3) I disagree. The burger you're making at home is all fresh ingredients. I'm not talking the shitty predone patties, I'm talking raw ground beef, hand shaped patties.. Fresh onions, the decent buns etc..

Also, to the people that are saying eat the same thing for a week, that's true if you don't have a family, but for those of who DO have more than one person, those supplies will feed us one meal. Then all the condiments etc can be used many many times for other meals, just adding in other ingredients.

I do see where you're coming from, but eating healthy at home is FAR cheaper & healthier in the long run than eating out. If you go as far as making your own bread, then it's even cheaper. This was just a basic example, and of course I'd make the patties better, adding shredded cheese, onions, some spices etc to the mix. If you were to compare the cost of my making one of my SuperCharged Codetrap Burgers, vs going for a Gourmet Burger somewhere, I'm probably still FAR cheaper, and I'll have a ton of leftovers I can use for other meals.


If you're broke, go to the food bank. Go to the soup kitchen. There's tons of free food out there. No reason at all to hit McDicks.

I guess I misunderstood, I thought we were talking about processed vs non-processed food, not eating out vs eating at home. Sure, its more expensive to eat out at a good restaurant than eat at home. However, its still ore expensive to make good food than it costs to buy the processed equivalent (whether it be in a supermarket or a mcdonalds).

[ZenOps]

I got sympathy for the fat cats though.

Seriously. We blame them when we overeat on their contribution of abundance of food. In most of the rest of the world, you complain about the leader and those who have money - that don't feed you.

I say the US halves the EBT benefits and also halves the eligible users every year for ten years.

That will keep people skinny.

[Modelexis]

Another video on the subject:

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[Go4Long]

Originally posted by benyl
Didn't Bloomberg try that in New York? did the law go through?

I believe it did go through. Any soft drink over 16oz is set to be illegal in new york, which is particularly funny given some of the other food items that are still readily available. Jon Stewart did a great bit on that. If youtube wasn't blocked at work I would find it.

[CompletelyNumb]

Originally posted by benyl
He will likely demand hot dogs more often and refuse to eat other things (I have seen this with other children). You have no choice but to feed you kid the hotdog so that he will eat SOMETHING.


Damn, I must have had a hard upbringing. If I didnt eat what was served, I didnt eat. Russian father. He didnt care if I didnt eat for two days, odds are once im hungry i'll eat what i'm given.

I dont understand the logic of giving in to your kids' demands. Until they're teenagers and actually have their own money, they sort of have to eat what's at home.

[benyl]

my co-worker has a kid that wouldn't eat for almost a week.

Do you have a kid? If not, let me know when you do and we can talk then.

[Go4Long]

I have a kid...she's not old enough to demand shit :P

[J-hop]

^my brother was EXACTLY like that, always wanted hotdogs or KD (even though we barely got that) and would try to refuse to eat our home cooked meals. All it took was my parents going through the list of items he enjoyed and revoking access to them ie: TV, videogames, hanging out with friends, dessert after supper. His phase didn't last long because he know he couldn't win. You give them what they demand well that is your own style of parenting I guess and you are entitled to promote your kid to have an attitude like that....good luck!!!

I find it kind of interesting some of the comments in this thread coming from people that when it comes to driving they say the government steps in too much, but now they think the government should babysit us and tell us what to eat???? If we are such brainless zombies that can't even nourish ourselves properly what makes you think we have the ability to pilot a vehicle at our own discretion :rofl: :rofl:

[benyl]

Let's be clear, my kid eats what his mother tells him to eat. There are those out there that do not.

[CompletelyNumb]

Originally posted by benyl
my co-worker has a kid that wouldn't eat for almost a week.

Do you have a kid? If not, let me know when you do and we can talk then.


I do not. I just have fond memories of trying those tricks with my parents.

What would you do if your child acted like that? Give him what he wants?

[scboss]

Originally posted by benyl
my co-worker has a kid that wouldn't eat for almost a week.

Do you have a kid? If not, let me know when you do and we can talk then.

See but thats your co-workers fault. I have 2 god kids and they never cry when it comes to eating healthy. Why? Because that is how they have always ate.

Ive dealt with people that are 300 lbs plus, when it comes to food choices and changing how they eat its hard. Ive actually had a woman break down and cry in front of me (280 lbs) after 1 week of introducing veggies into her diet. Saying it is to hard :facepalm:

Food addiction is all mental tho. Its not like you are gonna have withdrawls from eating a salad lmao. I can see it now someone sweating out a big mac addiction for 90 days:nut:

[CompletelyNumb]

Originally posted by CompletelyNumb
Are you over weight toma?


Still waiting, toma.

You were taught the food pyramid, so I'm guessing you're fat as hell and mad at the government for it? After all, anything taught in the past supersedes the knowledge of the present. In your world.



Originally posted by Toma
did you guys see the new big gulp container they sell?? god damn, it has to be 2 litres.

And it's 7-11's fault if you drink it. :eek:

[CUG]

The big part of being healthy is staying away from suger, I feel. Then the bad carbs. People need to quit "loving to eat"

[NightFX2]

There's so much tastier healthy food than fast food if people would get off their ass and make their own food.

Excercise also helps with wanting to eat healthy but it would take a lot of determination for an obese person.

So many online resources for recipes

ie. a personal favourite http://www.epicureanbb.com/ (WARNING!! FOOD PORN!!)