Quebec Premier Talks Tough on Separation

[Go4Long]

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/if-the-pq-wins-what-are-the-prospects-of-a-sovereignty-referendum-1.940398

I particularly like the comments in the comments section saying that if they don't hold/win a referendum the rest of the country should have one to vote them out.

YAY no more transfer payments. Just my thoughts.


MONTREAL -- Parti Quebecois Leader Pauline Marois has spent the final days of the election campaign urging voters to give her a majority and the chance to form a country.

If Marois gets her desired mandate, though, what are the odds of another sovereignty referendum, and how would relations between Quebec and the rest of Canada change?

The PQ leader, who is leading in the polls, says she would hold an independence vote "tomorrow morning" -- if the conditions were right.

That is a giant "if."

For years, the sovereigntist dream to hold a third referendum has remained elusive, butting up against a cold, hard reality that the support may not be there to win it.

Recent PQ leaders have developed all sorts of formulas to keep the base mobilized when D-Day appears so far on the horizon.

Lucien Bouchard, premier from 1996 until 2001, famously promised to call a referendum once he assembled the "winning conditions." He never called one. Bernard Landry excited party faithful by talking about achieving sovereignty within 1,000 days -- meaning, by 2005.

Polls suggest the sovereigntist side could suffer a drubbing if Marois put the question to voters. The most recent CROP survey put support for sovereignty at 28 per cent -- a spectacular drop from the historic levels of the early 1990s.

So, what to do in the face of a mountain of a challenge? Start chipping away.

A PQ government would start making Quebec more independent, one swing of its political hatchet at a time. The PQ doesn't simply plan to whine about Canada. It wants to start separating, slowly.

"It's not going to be a referendum or nothing," said Antonia Maioni, a political scientist at McGill University.

"The idea is to have smaller wins and move towards an eventual, perhaps, referendum. At least she can then go back to her party and say I'm moving to a third referendum."

The Parti Quebecois plans to pursue two basic tracks to eventually make it happen:

First, Marois says she would ask Ottawa for greater control of numerous areas ranging from foreign policy to copyright law to economic development.

If Ottawa refuses, it would fight.

These scraps will take place in legislative arenas and, in some cases, probably in the justice system all the way up to the Supreme Court.

Each PQ loss would be added by to the list of reasons why Quebec would be better off alone, fanning the flames of the separatist movement.

Second, the PQ would set the mechanics in motion to hold another referendum.

The party has already transferred the responsibility for calling one onto the general public.

Once 850,000 people sign a petition, or 15 per cent of Quebec's population, the PQ says the public could demand a referendum. Marois plans to establish a new cabinet post that would manage such requests.

To provide herself a little wiggle room, in case the polls aren't favourable, Marois now says the legislature would have the right to refuse.

"Ultimately, it's up to the national assembly to decide when there will be a referendum," Marois told reporters recently.

It's unclear whether this softer, wait-and-see approach will go down well with the party's hardline, but there's also extreme reluctance to call a referendum if it can't win.

To the party brass, including Marois, it's taken as an article of faith: the party cannot lose again.

Much of the argument for independence, from the likes of Landry onward, has rested on the idea that the movement carries historical momentum and is therefore inevitable.

The numbers have historically bolstered their narrative.

Support for independence was marginal in the 1960s, grew to 40 per cent in the 1980 referendum, to nearly 50 per cent in 1995 -- and therefore, according to the sovereigntist mythology, victory was inevitable the next time.

The fear from more cautious PQ supporters is that a slide backward will destroy their "story." Unless polls climb dramatically from their current position, then, another isn't likely.

Even so, a PQ government would mean a shake up in Ottawa and countrywide.

Marois plans to retain Quebec's seat on the Council of the Federation, the Charest-created body that brings provinces together to tackle common problems.

The PQ would be there, though, "to explain why we are different and why we want all of the power over Quebec," she said.

For Prime Minister Stephen Harper, a Parti Quebecois government would present a major challenge and a 180-degree shift from the federalist Charest Liberals, according to Maioni.

"This will be the first time in his mandate that he will be faced not just with a sovereigntist government in Quebec, but a left-leaning government," she said.

Maioni pointed to an added complication for the Harper Conservatives: they have virtually no presence in Quebec.

"In earlier incarnations of the Parti Quebecois there was something to bounce back off of, whereas now it's not clear who speaks for Quebec federalists in Ottawa," she said.

A PQ government could cause even more problems for NDP Leader Tom Mulcair, whose party rose to Official Opposition status largely because of its success in Quebec in the last federal election.

But Mulcair has so far avoided wading into key issues in the province, such as the debate over tuition increases. The party's policy to recognize a 50-per-cent-plus-one referendum decision would also come under renewed scrutiny, if the PQ moves toward holding one.

"He's going to have make things a lot clearer than they have been," Maioni said, adding that a PQ win could, perhaps, lead to a resurgence of the Bloc Quebecois at the federal level.

"If the PQ does do well in Tuesday's election, that means something is going on within the body politic, and that means all the seats they won are going to be less and less safe."



Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/if-the-pq-wins-what-are-the-prospects-of-a-sovereignty-referendum-1.940398#ixzz25QvKX4u5

[ekguy]

Can they realistically afford to be their own country? Wouldnt they owe alot of money to Canada??

[Cos]

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[Go4Long]

Originally posted by ekguy
Can they realistically afford to be their own country?

Their main exports are maple syrup and douche bags, so in short...no.

[clemmy26]

Is this the same leader who is promising free post secondary education? :nut:

[chkolny541]

Originally posted by Go4Long


Their main exports are maple syrup and douche bags, so in short...no.

dont forget smoked meat sandwichs and poutine

[Unknown303]

Can we get a petition going over the rest of Canada just to make them seperate already. :banghead:

[Go4Long]

that's what I'm saying, vote the fuckers off the island already.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by Go4Long
that's what I'm saying, vote the fuckers off the island already.

Really it's our only logical option.

[revelations]

Originally posted by Go4Long


Their main exports are maple syrup and douche bags, so in short...no.

Hydro Quebec is a huge power exporter.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by revelations


Hydro Quebec is a huge power exporter.

To the eastern United States.

[Go4Long]

Originally posted by revelations


Hydro Quebec is a huge power exporter.

I thought given that the export of douche bags would not net any revenue my sarcasm would have been pretty clear. lol.

Either way, they don't generate enough revenue to pay for all the programs that they fund. The "federal" portion of taxes they would start charging would have to be much higher than their citizens are currently charged if they wanted to have even a hope of breaking even.

[FraserB]

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

You add entitled, whiny students to that list of exports as well. And if the other thread is to be believed, shitty tippers.

[Darell_n]

Next year Quebec will receive an equalization payment of $7.391 billion for their hard work. This is more than all other 'have not' provinces combined. Instead, that money should be used to build an 8 lane overpass over the entire province with no on-ramps.

[Zhariak]

Before even reading all these others posts, I was about to chime in and say:

"What on earth are we going to do with all that money we no longer have to send to Quebec????"

[ekguy]

Originally posted by revelations


Hydro Quebec is a huge power exporter.

But can it keep them afloat of they seperate?

[ipeefreely]

Originally posted by revelations
Hydro Quebec is a huge power exporter.

Originally posted by ekguy
But can it keep them afloat of they seperate?

They're also sitting on a shit ton of shale gas too...

[clemmy26]

Originally posted by ipeefreely
They're also sitting on a shit ton of shale gas too...

They are too chicken shit to develop it.

[Gman.45]

But can it keep them afloat of they seperate?

Absolutely NOT.

Let's not forget the amount that ALBERTA alone has given Quebec via transfer payments. Quebec receives double what Ontario does in the grand scheme of things from equalization payments, nearly 8 billion this year alone. I've read Federal estimates that Quebec has received nearly two hundred billion since the inception of this nonsense.

For people in Quebec or their defenders to think that they have even the slightest hope of funding a country on their own hook is laughable at best. They are by far the most socialist of the Provinces, with the highest percentage of "entitlement" mentality people in the country in my opinion. They fund their current social programs and unemployed people on our dime (Albertans).

My questions to the Bloq etc that are pushing for separation is what amount of the current Federal debt are you planning on taking with you when you depart. Quebec has roughly 25% of the population of Canada. Good luck getting them to take 25% of the national debt if they separate...and by rights it should be higher as they've received far more money on average FROM the federal government then any other people have by province.

I too would love to see them go, only because it would be a big wake up call for them as I see no way they could "force" the remainder of Canada to continue funding them in any way shape or form, and they would soon be begging to come back. Even if they left and got away scott free in terms of their share of the national debt, what could they possibly do to survive long term?

I grew up in a French Immersion environment, I learned to speak French much earlier than English, and my experience has given me a lot of insight into the average francophone idea of how things should be. The sign laws in Quebec for example make me want to vomit. They are allowed to pass and enforce laws banning English language signage in order to "keep der herit-ashe", yet scream and moan when a mainly English western company like Westjet doesn't initially include French in their safety briefings etc. Double standard anyone?

It's unfortunate for some, I know a lot of Quebecois, mainly friends from the military who believe in and love Canada, and are very hard workers and not lazy socialists who want to accept free money via welfare/bs health claims/etc which is funded mainly by the rest of us in Canada.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by clemmy26


They are too chicken shit to develop it.

We'll just slant drill that shit from Alberta somehow....

[revelations]

All QB is doing with electing the PQ is avoiding the real issues of the province and having the masses focus on the seperation issue and blaiming all their woes on "rest" of Canada.

It never ends. They will continue to be a "have not" province for a very long time.

[psycoticclown]

I'll just leave this here...

aTs86ucftfs

[Zhariak]

Originally posted by psycoticclown
I'll just leave this here...

aTs86ucftfs


:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

I'm reading the comments, some guy said they need to stop those people or else the tourism dollars will dry up...


NEWSFLASH: I wouldn't worry about the tourism dollars... I'd be worried about the dollars that they get from Alberta/Ontario every fucking year...

[ekguy]

Wow that made me laugh so hard haha. Im french and even i wanted to knock his teeth in

[rage2]

Originally posted by revelations
Hydro Quebec is a huge power exporter.
They've been raping Newfoundland harsh on the power generated there. Their total profit would drop 70% if it wasn't for Newfoundland. Wonder if they separate, the deal can get revoked and renegotiated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Churchill_Project

[clem24]

Originally posted by rage2

They've been raping Newfoundland harsh on the power generated there. Their total profit would drop 70% if it wasn't for Newfoundland. Wonder if they separate, the deal can get revoked and renegotiated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Churchill_Project

Interesting... But as shitty as this sounds, NL would lose the $1B without Hydro-QC (i.e. project would not go ahead without them). I don't see how they can possibly bypass QC short of blasting the electricity into space and back down again.

[dj_patm]

Isn't most of the Hydro in Quebec located on First Nations lands?

The same First Nations that do not want to seperate?

Add in the mass exodus that will occur if they do seperate and the massive debt they will take with them and Quebec will literally have ZERO chance of surving.

I just hope that it's not a friendly seperation where Canada allows them to leech off of us. Cut them loose cold turkey, wait for the hilarious and inevitable failure of their "country" and then annex them and take away ALL of their bullshit special priviliges. Change the fucking name of the province to Retardville while were add it.

[SilverGS]

So polls show 28% support for separation in QC. I wonder what the percentage of people who want to kick them out is.

[Quiet10]

Get rid of them already. :whocares:

[phreezee]

PQ won, just not sure if majority yet but close.

[Masked Bandit]

Here's a nasty thought. Quebec separates and essentially becomes one giant "reserve" for Quebecois (sp?). They leave and we end up paying MORE for them. I don't think it's that much of a stretch.

[coupesx]

Some person with a gun just got taken down outside of where the new leader was giving her speech, as she was giving it. Happened on live tv.

[Antonito]

Originally posted by Masked Bandit
Here's a nasty thought. Quebec separates and essentially becomes one giant "reserve" for Quebecois (sp?). They leave and we end up paying MORE for them. I don't think it's that much of a stretch.
I was going to laugh this off until I realized we will end up having to sign treaties of some sort with them since you can't simply ignore Quebec for inter-provincial shipping and such. Highways, railways, utility lines, etc etc would have to be bargained for. Canada and Quebec would end up playing games of chicken, which could devolve into blockades/terrorism and military action. I don't think Canada has the stones to take a hardline stance since we are on the global stage. Quebec on the other hand doesn't really seem to give a shit if they look like assholes, as long as they get paid.

[m10-power]

Whats east of Quebec that matters? Anyways the Indians own the majority of Quebec, they will choose to stay in Canada, if not oh well. I just want to vote for them to leave, not sure why we dont get a say.

[ekguy]

Yeah the party that is likely to win just seems like the voice for quebec thats ready to make the most demands of canada...kinda like saying we're already spoiled and now we want more!!!!

[jdmXSI]

Originally posted by coupesx
Some person with a gun just got taken down outside of where the new leader was giving her speech, as she was giving it. Happened on live tv.

Looks like he fired off a few shots and killed someone in the process... RIP to to the person that passed.

[projekz]

This will go on for a while...better get some popcorn:)

It sucks because they didn't have much for choices when it came to vote. It was either choosing the Corrupt money wasting Liberals or the Idiot Separatists with a decent financial track records.

Most of my friends over there decided not to vote since the choices were absolutely horrible. I guess it didn't help either.

Look at the maps tho...Montreal is almost all Liberal along with most of the areas neighboring other provinces or states...That says something.

At least it didn't get a majority Government.

Hopefully we get a Canadian F1 venue in Vancouver or something if they separate :rofl: (will never, ever happen)

[Maybelater]

Reading the comments on the G&M news feed helped me gain sympathy for the French Canadian who want nothing to do with separation and are just as irritated over the issue as many other Canadians are too.

[Type_S1]

Originally posted by ekguy
kinda like saying we're already spoiled and now we want more!!!!

Just like natives....:drama:

My thoughts:

1. Quebec is full of a bunch of lazy pricks who feel they deserve something....for what bullshit reason again? Kick them out and make them pay to transport anything into or through Canada. Do not give them any mineral rights. Stop the transfer payments to these lazy fucks. Charge a royalty on all electricity not distributed to Canada and have a signed agreement fucking them in the ass for electricity sent to us.

2. That dude in the video would have got laid out if I was in that situation. His smile would have looked good from the new veneers though! :nut:

[projekz]

Originally posted by Maybelater
Reading the comments on the G&M news feed helped me gain sympathy for the French Canadian who want nothing to do with separation and are just as irritated over the issue as many other Canadians are too.


It's sad. Some people have been voting for the Liberals for the past few elections just so the PQ wouldn't get in. Now the Liberals have fucked up enough that people just stopped voting.

[nismodrifter]

RIP to whoever got shot in that senseless act, wow.

[bitteeinbit]

Originally posted by projekz



It's sad. Some people have been voting for the Liberals for the past few elections just so the PQ wouldn't get in. Now the Liberals have fucked up enough that people just stopped voting.

This. I'm currently not in Quebec so didn't vote but judging by the Facebook comments of 90% of my friends, they either want to move to Ontario or go up north and live in a cabin. I've always voted liberal simply because I don't want to separate. What other options are there? Used to be none really, then the ADQ showed up (right-wing party but lacked experience and leadership) and the Green Party... (yay?:nut: )

In the past two years or so there have been a few new parties which may seem interesting at first glance, but it's more of the same old.
-Green Party. Nice dreams but I'm not just voting for the environment, and some of their stances are downright dangerous economically (I liked Charest's "Plan Nord": huge infrastructure investments in the North, mostly in mining.
-Option National (separatist)
-Quebec Solidaire (same deal)
-CAQ. Probably who I would have voted for, though might have voted Liberal just because they had the biggest odds of winning vs Marois. They are right-wing, HOWEVER, they are really wishy-washy regarding a referendum. Basically they are sitting on the fence and don;t want to lose any votes, but it's a big no-no for me. So voting for them would be risky as well.
-Conservative Party- I like most of their platform as well but its close ties to the federal government makes it kind of weird and some rather disturbing stuff has been said by them regarding the environment (which is already in a dangerous state), as well as a poor leader has made many look elsewhere.

So basically it's another PQ vs Liberal battle, but as with all political battles it goes in cycles, not much different from economic ones. A decade with one party (and corruption allegations) makes people switch to the other party until they get tired again and switch once more. Basically no one votes FOR a party they just vote AGAINST a party. People are tired of it all and most don't want another stupid referendum (which was voted down TWICE, stupid bitch... Let's keep voting till we get the result WE want!).

[A790]

Maybe it's time for Quebecers to stand up for their province. I keep reading about how the majority of Quebecers don't want to separate, yet the vote in a separatist party just to vote out the liberals.

Has no one thought about stepping up to the plate and campaigning for what they actually value? I hear a lot of complaining but not much "doing".

[Feruk]

What exactly is the ADQ?

[spikerS]

lets just push them over the edge.

Lets remove the French language as our second national language. Seriously, WTF do we really need 2? Then introduce a Federal law that stipulates all store signage must be headlined in English, effectively trumping their language laws.

Then, when the extremests vote to separate, let them go, taking a portion of the debt. Let them go. Then seal them in, but just before, remove any military.

After that is all done, INVADE! HAHAHAHAHA! Take it back, and tell the socialist loony bin there to sod off. They can go take some random island in the Arctic circle and separate. See how much support they get then.

I know it is silly, but wouldn't it be nice?

[7thgenvic]

The Big Problem with all of this is Canada would be faced with the same situation that Europe is having with Spain/Greece

The country would default in all respects and we would have to bail them out...

[civic_stylez]

Ive always been a believer that if you dont want to be somewhere, leave. Then we can start taxing them for our exports and save the equalization payments for something worthwhile.

With that being said,


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NYJjoT-A8C0/UAP7JsS9DVI/AAAAAAAAB6g/S_VVq2I21BU/s1600/jeremy-piven-gtfo.gif

[D'z Nutz]

They're just mad cause they're always excluded from our awesome contests. Our awesome Anglophone contests.

[A790]

Originally posted by 7thgenvic
The country would default in all respects and we would have to bail them out...
We don't HAVE to do anything.

[ga16i]

The land and all that it entails I think should remain the property of Canada, but separatists should be free to "separate". It'd be like the Occupy Calgary people claiming they can separate Olympic Plaza from Calgary just because they happen to be standing on that spot. It's not yours to take dumbasses :dunno:

[Zhariak]

Just curious, as for the election...

I know it was PQ that won, but was it a majority or minority?

[AllGoNoShow]

http://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/05/04/GTFO_HOUSE_225083.png

[7thgenvic]

Originally posted by A790

We don't HAVE to do anything.

We would get dragged back into paying for them...Quebec is the Blackhole of Canada...

[Mibz]

Originally posted by D'z Nutz
They're just mad cause they're always excluded from our awesome contests. Our awesome Anglophone contests. The only reason they're excluded is because they force the contest owner/operator to pay the Government a tax.

Just like France doesn't realize that increasing taxes on the rich will cause the rich people to leave, QC didn't realize that taxing contests would cause the contests to leave.

French. No foresight.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by A790
Maybe it's time for Quebecers to stand up for their province. I keep reading about how the majority of Quebecers don't want to separate, yet the vote in a separatist party just to vote out the liberals.

Has no one thought about stepping up to the plate and campaigning for what they actually value? I hear a lot of complaining but not much "doing".

They do campaign for what they value. What they value is continued free handouts so they can live their spoiled, entitled, distinct little lives.

As far as I'm concerned, the minute you vote in a separatist party you should immediately have all your transfer payments suspended. Fund your programs off your distinction and stop forcing the rest of the country to have less so you can have more.

Quebec should be assimilated into Canada and this two language, sovereign this, special that bullshit should be ended once and for all. Put up a fucking museum if you think your heritage should be honoured. You contribute NOTHING to the country and you take everything you can and more, Quebec is a pathetic joke that WE keep perpetuating.

[projekz]

Originally posted by Mibz

French. No foresight.

:rofl:


I find it pretty amusing that there isn't one single person in the PQ that has enough accounting skills to crunch the numbers and let the other idiots in the PQ know that it's financially IMPOSSIBLE to sustain the province independantely.:facepalm:

[D'z Nutz]

Originally posted by projekz
I find it pretty amusing that there isn't one single person in the PQ that has enough accounting skills to crunch the numbers and let the other idiots in the PQ know that it's financially IMPOSSIBLE to sustain the province independantely.:facepalm:

Why the fuck would the PQ need to crunch numbers for anything? Maybe they already know, maybe they don't. What they're banking on is the public not knowing and that they'll buy the sales pitch and vote them in.

[projekz]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


Quebec is a pathetic joke that WE keep perpetuating.

Thanks to the British Legacy. Same problems with the Natives. It's the same issues where ever they colonized.

If Quebec separates, then Socialist BC will want to separate as well. It's never gonna happen.

[Gman.45]

Put up a fucking museum if you think your heritage should be honoured.

This made me laugh, and remember a tour I took in Quebec once when I was about 12 years old.

We were on a tour bus, and the guide was this hot little 20 year old french girl. We went by the monuments of General Wolf, and General Montcalm from the Battle of the Plains of Abraham, where the English beat those silly Frenchmen and rested control of Quebec.

Anyhow, the revisionist French historians must have thought the battle went their way, as the statue of Montcalm is this HUGE monstrosity, towering into the air with an Angel (lol!!) on is shoulder.

The statue for Wolf, the English general who actually WON THE BATTLE was the size of a kitchen stove, and I could sit on it and have my picture taken. (Some English loving people have since built a Statue on top of said monument, but it still lacks the Angel haha).


Anyhow, I remember asking our tour guide WTF was up with this obvious difference in the memorials, and she responded "dem der Anglaish fought very dis-hon-er-ablee by sneaking up da cliff behind da brave Francaise and shoot dem all in dee back". Still makes me laugh to this day.

[civic_stylez]

Originally posted by Gman.45


This made me laugh, and remember a tour I took in Quebec once when I was about 12 years old.

We were on a tour bus, and the guide was this hot little 20 year old french girl. We went by the monuments of General Wolf, and General Montcalm from the Battle of the Plains of Abraham, where the English beat those silly Frenchmen and rested control of Quebec.

Anyhow, the revisionist French historians must have thought the battle went their way, as the statue of Montcalm is this HUGE monstrosity, towering into the air with an Angel (lol!!) on is shoulder.

The statue for Wolf, the English general who actually WON THE BATTLE was the size of a kitchen stove, and I could sit on it and have my picture taken. (Some English loving people have since built a Statue on top of said monument, but it still lacks the Angel haha).


Anyhow, I remember asking our tour guide WTF was up with this obvious difference in the memorials, and she responded "dem der Anglaish fought very dis-hon-er-ablee by sneaking up da cliff behind da brave Francaise and shoot dem all in dee back". Still makes me laugh to this day.

:rofl: :rofl:

Ah dem angalash soljairs are just so snee-kay.... friggin frenchies.

[7thgenvic]

Originally posted by Gman.45


This made me laugh, and remember a tour I took in Quebec once when I was about 12 years old.

We were on a tour bus, and the guide was this hot little 20 year old french girl. We went by the monuments of General Wolf, and General Montcalm from the Battle of the Plains of Abraham, where the English beat those silly Frenchmen and rested control of Quebec.

Anyhow, the revisionist French historians must have thought the battle went their way, as the statue of Montcalm is this HUGE monstrosity, towering into the air with an Angel (lol!!) on is shoulder.

The statue for Wolf, the English general who actually WON THE BATTLE was the size of a kitchen stove, and I could sit on it and have my picture taken. (Some English loving people have since built a Statue on top of said monument, but it still lacks the Angel haha).


Anyhow, I remember asking our tour guide WTF was up with this obvious difference in the memorials, and she responded "dem der Anglaish fought very dis-hon-er-ablee by sneaking up da cliff behind da brave Francaise and shoot dem all in dee back". Still makes me laugh to this day.

I love the use of the her english!

[1barA4]

Originally posted by Gman.45

Anyhow, I remember asking our tour guide WTF was up with this obvious difference in the memorials, and she responded "dem der Anglaish fought very dis-hon-er-ablee by sneaking up da cliff behind da brave Francaise and shoot dem all in dee back". Still makes me laugh to this day.

Hard to shoot them in the front when they're running away...

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by projekz
If Quebec separates, then Socialist BC will want to separate as well. It's never gonna happen.

I know it's never going to happen and, quite frankly, I don't want it to. What I do want is for the rest of this country and, the Federal Government, to finally just say that enough is enough and end the pandering to these bastards. They don't deserve the billions of dollars they steal every year to fund their entitlements and they don't deseve sovereingty.

They are certainly unique but they certainly are not special.

[projekz]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


I know it's never going to happen and, quite frankly, I don't want it to. What I do want is for the rest of this country and, the Federal Government, to finally just say that enough is enough and end the pandering to these bastards. They don't deserve the billions of dollars they steal every year to fund their entitlements and they don't deseve sovereingty.

They are certainly unique but they certainly are not special.

We need a PM that has the balls to make that happen. I hope it comes true in the near future.

I'm so sick of hearing about Quebec sovereingty. :banghead:

[revelations]

Originally posted by spikers
lets just push them over the edge.

Lets remove the French language as our second national language. Seriously, WTF do we really need 2? Then introduce a Federal law that stipulates all store signage must be headlined in English, effectively trumping their language laws.

Then, when the extremests vote to separate, let them go, taking a portion of the debt. Let them go. Then seal them in, but just before, remove any military.

After that is all done, INVADE! HAHAHAHAHA! Take it back, and tell the socialist loony bin there to sod off. They can go take some random island in the Arctic circle and separate. See how much support they get then.

I know it is silly, but wouldn't it be nice?

Yes, but what about having our OWN referendum in the rest of Canada?

Hell, just make the Federal govt responsible for the military and foreign relations ... decentralize everything!

[D'z Nutz]

Originally posted by Go4Long
Their main exports are maple syrup and douche bags, so in short...no.

Haha looks like it's just douche bags now :rofl:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/08/31/millions-of-dollars-worth-of-maple-syrup-stolen-from-quebec-warehouse/


Millions of dollars worth of maple syrup stolen from Quebec warehouse

Lock up your Waffle Houses.

Bandits in Quebec have made off with millions of dollars worth of maple syrup from a St-Louis-de-Blandford warehouse, where 10 million pounds of syrup, worth more than $30 million, was being temporarily housed.

It is unclear exactly how much maple syrup the thieves made off with.

The theft was discovered after a routine inventory check. The product was meant to be stored there for several weeks while renovations were being completed at a new location.

“The Federation always acts with caution to protect producers’ harvests. The St-Louis-de-Blandford warehouse had been secured by a fence and locks, and visited regularly,” Serge Beaulieu, president of the Federation of Quebec Maple Syrup Producers, said in a statement. “The sales agency`s maple syrup inventory is spread across several storage locations which were not subject to theft.”

The federation, responsible for the global strategic maple syrup reserve, had kept about the theft the new quiet at first, hoping it would help police catch the thieves.

The syrup was emptied from its original barrels, suggesting it was transferred to different containers for transportation.

Quebec is responsible for 70 to 80% of the world’s maple syrup, according to the Quebec Maple Syrup Producers federation. The federation noted that several U.S. states had “a very low, indeed catastrophic, harvest during the 2012 season” while “the Quebec harvest . . . remained normal.”

The federation says the storage of its product in large quantities, coming from up to 10,000 different producers, is meant to limit risk.

“The Federation wishes to underscore that all maple syrup inventories in its charge are fully insured. The marketing of the stolen maple syrup will affect the entire maple industry. It is crucial to identify those responsible for this crime.”

[1barA4]

The US government stockpiles oil; we stockpile maple syrup.

Is it any wonder the yanks make fun of us?

[bitteeinbit]

Originally posted by revelations


Yes, but what about having our OWN referendum in the rest of Canada?

Hell, just make the Federal govt responsible for the military and foreign relations ... decentralize everything!

That's essentially what our government is supposed to look like but over the past 60 years or so the Fed gov has encroached over many aspects of government. Big gov was unheard of before the First World War (US as well).

[AG_Styles]

http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Opinion+Please+tone+down+rhetoric+about+being+racist/7224601/story.html

[WithTheLightsOn]

Originally posted by projekz
Hopefully we get a Canadian F1 venue in Vancouver or something if they separate :rofl: (will never, ever happen) [/B]

This is why we need to keep Montreal no matter what. Grand Prix du Quebec?? Fuck that shit.

[rvd]

I would laugh if this happens, it would be the end of Quebec's economy if they finally separated.

[phreezee]

Originally posted by AG_Styles
http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Opinion+Please+tone+down+rhetoric+about+being+racist/7224601/story.html

Marois campaigned on being Pure Laine ("pure stock" meaning Caucasian, Christian, francophone). How is that acceptable in Quebec, yet caused outrage here in Alberta for two separate Wildrose candidates.

[AG_Styles]

Originally posted by phreezee


Marois campaigned on being Pure Laine ("pure stock" meaning Caucasian, Christian, francophone). How is that acceptable in Quebec, yet caused outrage here in Alberta for two separate Wildrose candidates.

You'd be surprised to know that I've been told by french-speaking quebecios (ex-colleagues) that Albertans are extremely racist and that our media is completely prejudiced unlike in Quebec and Ontario.

They also naturally think that the Conservatives are the devil equivalent of the republicans.

yah... it was weird to even type that out, but thats what i've been told by them.

[ga16i]

Originally posted by D'z Nutz


Haha looks like it's just douche bags now :rofl:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/08/31/millions-of-dollars-worth-of-maple-syrup-stolen-from-quebec-warehouse/



Luckily this has a happy ending for our friends in the East.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/police-seize-600-barrels-maple-syrup-17390341#.UG7r-YE_IUO

Back to full on maple syrup and douche bag status.